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Re: Bug#686777: netjack2 + opus custom modes + debian

2013-06-29 Thread Ron

Hi,

So the background (that's been missing from the BTS up until now) is
that shortly after Robin initially reported this bug, he also contacted
us upstream and we had a fairly detailed discussion on IRC about all the
various issues.  Since Debian was in freeze there wasn't much going to
happen with the package right then, and it wasn't clear at the end of
the discussion whether netjack was still going to use the custom modes
after all.

But it is time now to decide on this soon, so I got in touch with Robin
again yesterday to see what constraints we really have to work with.

My understanding of the background prior to that is that Robin had some
discussion with some of the developers at FOMS, who at the time suggested
the custom modes probably would be appropriate for the use described to
them.

The later discussion on IRC however (including the developers who were
at FOMS) was much less conclusive, and it wasn't at all clear after that,
that the need to do this outweighed the costs, both in general, and to
jack specifically.

The custom modes are not interoperable with anything else, nor are they
a part of the codec standard, but they do exist in the code for people
with very specialised needs in 'closed' applications, where the need for
oddball frame sizes strongly outweighs any other considerations of
interoperability, or codec performance (the latter being both in the
sense of processing resources *and* more importantly audio quality).


My understanding at present is that the primary (only?) reason that
netjack is using custom modes is so that it can use 64 sample frames
which shaves ~1ms of latency off the usual 2.5ms (120 sample) minimum
frame size for normal opus modes.  We didn't quite get to the bottom
of all of that before Robin had to leave, so at present my only
understanding of the reason for that is that "pro audio equipment"
can operate with lower latencies than normal sound cards which makes
this desirable.

What I still don't understand though is why if you are using Pro audio
equipment the degradation in audio quality that this would bring (which
is significant) would be acceptable for that use?  You'd need to stream
at much higher bitrates than normal to recover even some of that, and
even then there are many quality enhancements in the encoder that only
apply to the normal modes, which are completely bypassed in the custom
modes.  And even without those, quality will still suffer compared to
the more normal analysis frame sizes used by this codec, just by virtue
of the tiny window size.  Even 2.5ms frames have notably lower quality
than the default 20ms ones do.  Non-standard 1.3ms frames are at a
considerable disadvantage here for high fidelity reproduction.

The 'normal' latency of Opus is orders of magnitude lower than anything
which can even approach it for quality, but even it has both hands tied
behind its back when it only has 64 samples to work its magic on.

Which basically makes the question become: "If you are using Pro audio
equipment and ~1ms of latency does make a difference to you, then
wouldn't a lossless transport mode be more appropriate for that anyway?"


Which isn't exactly the original question that we need to answer here,
but it is relevant to that, since netjack is the only thing that I'm
aware of that's likely to want support for custom modes from the distro
packages.  So the question of whether it's actually gaining any real
benefit from this is the key to knowing whether we even need to consider
supporting custom modes in the distro in the foreseeable future. 

The upstream developers have reaffirmed that they definitely do not
want to enable the custom modes by default in what they release, so
even if we do override that here for the .debs, there'll still be a
question of our compatibility with other distros and users.


Re Jonas's remarks:

> In my opinion the best option so far is for libopus to enable custom
> modes: Primary aim in Debian is to enable most possible features - being
> fastest possible has lower priority so can wait until done properly.
>
> ...and convenience code copies is explicitly discouraged in Policy, so
> range far lower on the list!

I concur with this, which is why I revisited the question of whether
we would even need to with Robin.  And the other upstream developers
agree that should we really need to, enabling this for the packages
is probably the preferred option (unless we really can think of some
better way instead).

There isn't really a "wait until done properly" about this though,
the penalties are largely inherent in the extra complexity this adds.

Part of the catch here is that while enabling this will not break
ABI, disabling it again will, so this is very much a one-way decision
which I'd like to not make until we are certain there will be no
turning back from it, or second thoughts, or regrets over mistakes
that could be remedied now in better ways instead.


On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 07:36:57PM +0200, Adrian Knoth

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Re: netjack2 + opus custom modes + debian

2013-06-29 Thread Adrian Knoth
On 06/29/2013 05:59 PM, Robin Gareus wrote:

> To recap:
>   netjack2's + opus needs libopus with --custom-modes
>   but libopus on debian does not provide custom modes.
>
> Thoughts? Opinions? Volunteers?

Ron, what do you think about the following?

Instead of using embedded copies in jackd1/2, let's build two flavours
of OPUS from a single source package.

Just sketching now:

libopus0 will provide /usr/lib/libopus.so.0 (business as usual)
libopus-custom-0 will provide /usr/lib/libopus-custom.so.0

In addition, we'll keep libopus-dev and introduce libopus-custom-dev
containing the additional files and a dependency on libopus-custom-0.

All packages will be co-installable, since no file conflict will occur.

In jackd1/2, we'll build-depend on libopus-custom-dev and link against
libopus-custom instead of libopus.


It's certainly a bit of work on your side (building two binary sets from
the same source). OTOH, at least CDBS supports flavours out of the box,
we use it in ardour to build ardour (generic), ardour-i686 (SSE) and
ardour-altivec.


How does this sound to you?

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Re: netjack2 + opus custom modes + debian

2013-06-29 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Robin Gareus (2013-06-29 17:59:21)
> Hi *,
> 
> Ron (debian maintainer of libopus - CCed via @bugs..) ping'ed me
> yesterday to follow up on
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=686777
> 
> To recap:
>   netjack2's + opus needs libopus with --custom-modes
>   but libopus on debian does not provide custom modes.
> 
> 
> When enabling custom modes in libopus, there's a (small, but still) 
> performance penalty that everyone will pay -> distribution package of 
> libopus don't usually have that enabled.
> 
> Currently jackd2 in debian is just depending on libopus-dev (and because
> it has no custom-mode support, netjack is not compiled with opus support).
> 
> Adrian Knoth (debian jack maintainer) volunteered to embed the opus
> source in jackd packages (if there's no other option).
> 
> @Adi does that offer still stand? Can we work this out?
> 
> 
> There might be some other cases - e.g. embedded devices -- which would
> also like to use custom-modes. Hence it's not 100% out of the question
> that debian might package a libopus with custom modes - or provide a
> drop-in-replacement (libopus-vanilla <= libopus-custom). But that is not
> ideal..
> 
> The best option so far is to statically link netjack2 against libopus.

In my opinion the best option so far is for libopus to enable custom 
modes: Primary aim in Debian is to enable most possible features - being 
fastest possible has lower priority so can wait until done properly.

...and convenience code copies is explicitly discouraged in Policy, so 
range far lower on the list!


> Other distributions may be affected as well, so we might as well 
> address that upstream and add libopus as git-submodule to the jack 
> codebase (I could do that).

That would obviously be most elegant if upstream could offer both 
concurrently.


 - Jonas

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Re: clxclient bug --- was Bug report on zita-rev1: zita-rev1 crashes with exit status 139

2013-06-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 06:00:02PM +0200, Robin Gareus wrote:

>  - The bug is not critical.
>  - it's a bug in libclxclient - not zita-rev1
>  - it only occurs if the app cannot connect to X11
>  - other zita-* apps that use libclxclient are affected, too
>  - fix exists -- will be in next release

Next release of clxclient + updates of some apps can be
expected early next week.

Ciao,

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netjack2 + opus custom modes + debian

2013-06-29 Thread Robin Gareus
Hi *,

Ron (debian maintainer of libopus - CCed via @bugs..) ping'ed me
yesterday to follow up on
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=686777

To recap:
  netjack2's + opus needs libopus with --custom-modes
  but libopus on debian does not provide custom modes.


When enabling custom modes in libopus, there's a (small, but still)
performance penalty that everyone will pay -> distribution package of
libopus don't usually have that enabled.

Currently jackd2 in debian is just depending on libopus-dev (and because
it has no custom-mode support, netjack is not compiled with opus support).

Adrian Knoth (debian jack maintainer) volunteered to embed the opus
source in jackd packages (if there's no other option).

@Adi does that offer still stand? Can we work this out?


There might be some other cases - e.g. embedded devices -- which would
also like to use custom-modes. Hence it's not 100% out of the question
that debian might package a libopus with custom modes - or provide a
drop-in-replacement (libopus-vanilla <= libopus-custom). But that is not
ideal..

The best option so far is to statically link netjack2 against libopus.

Other distributions may be affected as well, so we might as well address
that upstream and add libopus as git-submodule to the jack codebase (I
could do that).


Thoughts? Opinions? Volunteers?

ciao,
robin


-=-=-

As a reminder - the options for netjack+opus are

>   A)  use standard opus modes
>  + makes some opus-devs and packagers happy
>  - adds latency
>  - adds code-complexity to jack (re-framing to N*120 frames)
>  + possibly improved compressed sound-quality
>
>   B) use opus custom-modes.
>  - may not be available on all systems
>(requires libopus to be compiled with --enable-custom-modes)
>  + no additional latency
>  + simple code in jack
>  - possibly substandard compression quality
>(should still be better than celt, though)

we chose (B).

see also "[Jack-Devel] Switch from CELT to Opus in JACK1/JACK2 sources"
September 2012

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Re: clxclient bug --- was Bug report on zita-rev1: zita-rev1 crashes with exit status 139

2013-06-29 Thread Robin Gareus
Just to keep you guys in the loop:

 - The bug is not critical.
 - it's a bug in libclxclient - not zita-rev1
 - it only occurs if the app cannot connect to X11
 - other zita-* apps that use libclxclient are affected, too
 - fix exists -- will be in next release

@Mira: IMHO this does not warrant a dedicated patch in the debian
package, enjoy your holidays and wait for the upstream release..

Cheers!
robin

-=-=-=-

excerpt from off-list communication with upstream (CCed).

 If zita-rev1 cannot connext to a X-server it segfaults.
 The problem is actually in libclxclient-3.6.1, xdisplay.cc.
[..]

>>> Thanks. A well-known problem. clxclient is due for replacement
>>> within half a year or so along with clthreads. Both are > 15
>>> years old by now and so they don't get much attention...

>> Will the new libs be a drop-in replacement? If not, the old libs should
>> be maintained until most distributions no longer ship them; at least IMHO.

> The new ones won't be source compatible, but OTOH porting apps to
> them should be easy enough. When the new libs are released all my
> apps will be updated to use them, and the whole libcl* series
> will be deprecated and frozen but still available for some time.
> Same as the current situation with clalsadrv which is replaced by
> zita-alsa-pcmi.
> 
> Your patch will be included in the next update of clxclient of course.
[..]

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