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Re: [SCM] ardour3/master: Pass env variables to waf

2013-09-25 Thread Felipe Sateler
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Jaromír Mikeš mira.mi...@gmail.com wrote:
 2013/9/24 Felipe Sateler fsate...@debian.org

 On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Jaromír Mikeš mira.mi...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  2013/9/24 Felipe Sateler fsate...@debian.org
  On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:33 AM,  fsate...@users.alioth.debian.org
  
   Pass env variables to waf
 
  For some reason this works for LDFLAGS but not CFLAGS or CXXFLAGS. Any
  ideas on why waf decides to ignore them? They are supposed to work...
 
  I've encountered this problem when tried fix hardening too :(
  Maybe we can try update waf-light from 1.6.11 (Feb 2012) to current
  1.7.13,
  but reading waf upstream changelog I can't find nothing related to this
  issue.

 Can you try updating the waf-light script and seeing if *FLAGS are
 respected?


 Having some troubles updating waf-light :(

 CFLAGS=-g -O2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat
 -Werror=format-security -Wall CXXFLAGS=-g -O2 -fstack-protector
 --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wall
 CPPFLAGS=-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 LDFLAGS=-Wl,-z,relro
 /tmp/buildd/ardour3-3.4~dfsg/waf-light -v
 --destdir=/tmp/buildd/ardour3-3.4~dfsg/debian/tmp configure --lv2 --lxvst
 --freedesktop --configdir=/etc/ --noconfirm --prefix=/usr/ --no-phone-home
 --dist-target=x86_64
 Waf: The wscript in '/tmp/buildd/ardour3-3.4~dfsg' is unreadable
 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File /tmp/buildd/ardour3-3.4~dfsg/waflib/Scripting.py, line 121, in
 waf_entry_point
 set_main_module(Context.run_dir + os.sep + Context.WSCRIPT_FILE)
   File /tmp/buildd/ardour3-3.4~dfsg/waflib/Scripting.py, line 163, in
 set_main_module
 Context.g_module = Context.load_module(file_path)
   File /tmp/buildd/ardour3-3.4~dfsg/waflib/Context.py, line 565, in
 load_module
 exec(compile(code, path, 'exec'), module.__dict__)
   File /tmp/buildd/ardour3-3.4~dfsg/wscript, line 2, in module
 from waflib.extras import autowaf as autowaf
 ImportError: cannot import name autowaf

Your patch for some reason doesn't have the autowaf module:

% lsdiff debian/patches/waf.patch | grep autowaf
b/waflib/extras/autowaf.py
% lsdiff ~/Downloads/waf.patch | grep autowaf
%

It seems to be the only missing file, though.
% diff old.lsdiff new.lsdiff
--- old.lsdiff 2013-09-25 09:09:30.0 -0300
+++ new.lsdiff 2013-09-25 09:08:45.0 -0300
@@ -5,7 +5,6 @@
 waflib/Configure.py
 waflib/Context.py
 waflib/Errors.py
-waflib/extras/autowaf.py
 waflib/extras/doxygen.py
 waflib/extras/__init__.py
 waflib/extras/misc.py


I tried copying the file from the older patch. The build works, but we
still don't get C*FLAGS. I think contacting upstream would be helpful.
Can you or Adrian please ask them about this? They probably have more
waf experience than us.

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FFmpeg and libav

2013-09-25 Thread Romain Bouqueau
Dear Debian maintainers,

I'm a contributor on the GPAC multimedia project. I'm writing to you
because we spend more and more time trying to keep our project compatible
with both FFmpeg and libav. This is not sustainable.

We would need you to provide both FFmpeg and libav as separate packages in
Debian. However the libraries/headers in the packages have the same names.
AFAIU this makes our request impossible to fulfill.

What I see is: most of the work seems to be done at the libav side. However
FFmpeg works better: it is more stable, the maintainers are more reactive,
the APIs are more stable and consistent.

This fork causes duplicated work (VLC, MPlayer, GStreamer, GPAC). I think
it would be a good idea not to involve project contributors in this ego war
and let them choose whichever is best for their projects.

Note that it was not an issue until the last year because they were still
fairly compatible. The Debian package maintainers also seem to have kept
this issue away by installing old libav versions. As projects evolve, we
need new features from FFmpeg/libav. Thus keeping an old libav is not
sustainable either.

Does anyone has an idea to improve the situation?

Keep up with the good work,

Romain
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Re: FFmpeg and libav

2013-09-25 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Hi Romain,

(please mention if you are not subscribed to the list and need copy of 
replies - normal for Debian lists is to post only to list)

Quoting Romain Bouqueau (2013-09-25 14:23:46)
 I'm a contributor on the GPAC multimedia project. I'm writing to you 
 because we spend more and more time trying to keep our project 
 compatible with both FFmpeg and libav. This is not sustainable.

I understand your pain.


 We would need you to provide both FFmpeg and libav as separate 
 packages in Debian. However the libraries/headers in the packages have 
 the same names. AFAIU this makes our request impossible to fulfill.

Not impossible, but very difficult: Those actually doing the work in 
Debian consider it too much work for too little gain.


 What I see is: most of the work seems to be done at the libav side.

 However FFmpeg works better: it is more stable, the maintainers are 
 more reactive, the APIs are more stable and consistent.

Above seems subjective.  It will help the discussion tremendously if is 
supported by some factual non-biased comparison.


 This fork causes duplicated work (VLC, MPlayer, GStreamer, GPAC). I 
 think it would be a good idea not to involve project contributors in 
 this ego war and let them choose whichever is best for their projects.

Above is judgemental.  Please avoid that to keep discussion productive.


 Note that it was not an issue until the last year because they were 
 still fairly compatible. The Debian package maintainers also seem to 
 have kept this issue away by installing old libav versions.

Above seems misguided.  If you compare released code then beware that 
what Debian calls stable others might call too boring, and what 
others call stable Debian might call testing or unstable.

Here is an overview of both how long-term and how bleeding edge Debian 
is regarding libav: http://packages.qa.debian.org/liba/libav.html


 Does anyone has an idea to improve the situation?

We need to first agree that there is a situation that needs improving.  
As my comments above indicate, I think your input - though no doubt good 
intended - does not help establish such agreement.


Kind regards,

 - Jonas

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Re: FFmpeg and libav

2013-09-25 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Romain Bouqueau
romain.bouqueau@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Debian maintainers,

 I'm a contributor on the GPAC multimedia project. I'm writing to you because
 we spend more and more time trying to keep our project compatible with both
 FFmpeg and libav. This is not sustainable.

 We would need you to provide both FFmpeg and libav as separate packages in
 Debian. However the libraries/headers in the packages have the same names.
 AFAIU this makes our request impossible to fulfill.

 What I see is: most of the work seems to be done at the libav side. However
 FFmpeg works better: it is more stable, the maintainers are more reactive,
 the APIs are more stable and consistent.

 This fork causes duplicated work (VLC, MPlayer, GStreamer, GPAC). I think it
 would be a good idea not to involve project contributors in this ego war and
 let them choose whichever is best for their projects.

 Note that it was not an issue until the last year because they were still
 fairly compatible. The Debian package maintainers also seem to have kept
 this issue away by installing old libav versions. As projects evolve, we
 need new features from FFmpeg/libav. Thus keeping an old libav is not
 sustainable either.

 Does anyone has an idea to improve the situation?

Sorry for the terse answer, but I'm currently in the middle of
relocating from Europe to the US.

My advise would be to focus on Libav, as FFmpeg closely tracks
upstream, and claims to ensures API/ABI compatibility. Michael
Niedermayer offered repeatedly in the past to merge every development
of Libav into FFmpeg, so that should solve your struggle for good.

Feel free to drop by in #libav-devel if you find some API that is hard
to use or otherwise difficult. There are many nice guys that are happy
listen to your concerns!

Best,
Reinhard


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Ardour3 waf build sysẗem and *FLAGS

2013-09-25 Thread Jaromír Mikeš
Hi Paul,

we have some issue with Ardour3 packaging and waf build system

in new versions of debhelper we are passing extra CFLAGS CXXFLAGS and
LDFLAGS.
As we succeeded with LDFLAGS we didn't with CFLAGS  and CXXFAGS.

By documentation waf should accept standard variables, but it doesn't in
our case.
http://code.google.com/p/waf/wiki/EnvironmentVariables

You are for sure much more experienced with waf so maybe you can know some
solution for our problem.

best regards

mira
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Re: Ardour3 waf build sysẗem and *FLAGS

2013-09-25 Thread Paul Davis
I don't have any advice for you, sorry. I've never tried to do this. Our
wscript files don't do anything to reset or ignore the environment.


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Jaromír Mikeš mira.mi...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Paul,

 we have some issue with Ardour3 packaging and waf build system

 in new versions of debhelper we are passing extra CFLAGS CXXFLAGS and
 LDFLAGS.
 As we succeeded with LDFLAGS we didn't with CFLAGS  and CXXFAGS.

 By documentation waf should accept standard variables, but it doesn't in
 our case.
 http://code.google.com/p/waf/wiki/EnvironmentVariables

 You are for sure much more experienced with waf so maybe you can know some
 solution for our problem.

 best regards

 mira

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Re: Ardour3 waf build sysẗem and *FLAGS

2013-09-25 Thread Jaromír Mikeš
2013/9/25 Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com

 I don't have any advice for you, sorry. I've never tried to do this. Our
 wscript files don't do anything to reset or ignore the environment.


Thank you Paul I will try contact waf developers.

regards

mira
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Re: Ardour3 waf build sysẗem and *FLAGS

2013-09-25 Thread Jaromír Mikeš
Hi Thomas,

we have some issue with Ardour3 packaging and waf build system

In new versions of debhelper we are passing extra CFLAGS CXXFLAGS and
LDFLAGS.
As we succeeded with LDFLAGS we didn't with CFLAGS  and CXXFAGS.

By documentation waf should accept standard variables, but it doesn't in
our case.
http://code.google.com/p/waf/wiki/EnvironmentVariables

Any solution for our problem?

best regards

mira
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Re: Ardour3 waf build sysẗem and *FLAGS

2013-09-25 Thread Thomas Nagy
Waf by default does accept CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS, and in all versions.

There might be something in the Ardour3 project preventing that. Do you
have any url for the source code and in particular for the wscript file?

Thomas


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Jaromír Mikeš mira.mi...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hi Thomas,

 we have some issue with Ardour3 packaging and waf build system

 In new versions of debhelper we are passing extra CFLAGS CXXFLAGS and
 LDFLAGS.
 As we succeeded with LDFLAGS we didn't with CFLAGS  and CXXFAGS.

 By documentation waf should accept standard variables, but it doesn't in
 our case.
 http://code.google.com/p/waf/wiki/EnvironmentVariables

 Any solution for our problem?

 best regards

 mira

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Re: Ardour3 waf build sysẗem and *FLAGS

2013-09-25 Thread Paul Davis
ita found the issue

the default build for ardour is a debug build. this overrides the env
settings for CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS.

build with --optimize and your env settings will be used.

--p



On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Jaromír Mikeš mira.mi...@gmail.comwrote:




 2013/9/25 Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com

 I don't have any advice for you, sorry. I've never tried to do this. Our
 wscript files don't do anything to reset or ignore the environment.


 Thank you Paul I will try contact waf developers.

 regards

 mira


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Re: Ardour3 waf build sysẗem and *FLAGS

2013-09-25 Thread Felipe Sateler
Hi Thomas,

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Thomas Nagy tnagy1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Waf by default does accept CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS, and in all versions.

 There might be something in the Ardour3 project preventing that. Do you have
 any url for the source code and in particular for the wscript file?

Here is the wscript file[1]

Paul Davis[2] noted that --optimize seems to enable waf to pick up the
C*FLAGS variables. Is this intended behavior, or possibly something in
the wscript is triggering this?


[1] 
http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/ardour3.git;a=blob;f=wscript;
[2] 
https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-multimedia-maintainers/2013-September/034475.html
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Re: Ardour3 waf build sysẗem and *FLAGS

2013-09-25 Thread Thomas Nagy
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:

 Hi Thomas,

 On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Thomas Nagy tnagy1...@gmail.com wrote:
  Waf by default does accept CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS, and in all versions.
 
  There might be something in the Ardour3 project preventing that. Do you have
  any url for the source code and in particular for the wscript file?

 Here is the wscript file[1]

 Paul Davis[2] noted that --optimize seems to enable waf to pick up the
 C*FLAGS variables. Is this intended behavior, or possibly something in
 the wscript is triggering this?


The Ardour wscript file loads an Ardour helper module called
autowaf.py. This module will force specific CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS in the
default build. If I am not mistaken, the default build is intended as
a debug build and will enforce its own flags.

This is therefore an Ardour-specific trap, and you almost certainly
want to configure Ardour with --optimize for packaging purposes.

Regards,
Thomas

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Re: Ardour3 waf build sysẗem and *FLAGS

2013-09-25 Thread Felipe Sateler
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Thomas Nagy tnagy1...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:

 Hi Thomas,

 On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Thomas Nagy tnagy1...@gmail.com wrote:
  Waf by default does accept CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS, and in all versions.
 
  There might be something in the Ardour3 project preventing that. Do you 
  have
  any url for the source code and in particular for the wscript file?

 Here is the wscript file[1]

 Paul Davis[2] noted that --optimize seems to enable waf to pick up the
 C*FLAGS variables. Is this intended behavior, or possibly something in
 the wscript is triggering this?


 The Ardour wscript file loads an Ardour helper module called
 autowaf.py. This module will force specific CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS in the
 default build. If I am not mistaken, the default build is intended as
 a debug build and will enforce its own flags.

 This is therefore an Ardour-specific trap, and you almost certainly
 want to configure Ardour with --optimize for packaging purposes.

Great, thanks for the investigation!


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