Re: Are libav and x264 DFSG-free now?
Hi Eugen! Am 07.08.2011 23:25, schrieb Eugen Dedu: > I am maintainer of ptlib/opal/ekiga packages and I have noticed that > since recently some in-the-past non-free codecs (H264 for example) are > now working since they are in debian main. > > I would like to know why libav (ffmpeg) and x264 are now found in main > while before they were not. Why before they were considered DFSG > non-free, and now they are considered DFSG-free? Has DSFG-freeness > changed? Have ftp-master changed their mind? To resume: what has > changed between a few years ago when they were NOT in main and now when > they ARE in main? I can't comment on whether they have or haven't been DFSG-free before, as I haven't checked them back then. Nor can I comment why they haven't been in Debian main. But they are now in Debian main, because a) someone found the time to take care about the packages and b) an ftp-team member found the time to check, if they are distributable by us, comply with the Debian policy and satisfy the DFSG. Best regards, Alexander, on behalf of the FTP Team ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: Are libav and x264 DFSG-free now?
Hi Eugen and multimedia team list subscribers, [other non-list recipients dropped] On 11-08-07 at 11:25pm, Eugen Dedu wrote: > I am maintainer of ptlib/opal/ekiga packages and I have noticed that > since recently some in-the-past non-free codecs (H264 for example) are > now working since they are in debian main. > > I would like to know why libav (ffmpeg) and x264 are now found in main > while before they were not. Why before they were considered DFSG > non-free, and now they are considered DFSG-free? Has DSFG-freeness > changed? Have ftp-master changed their mind? To resume: what has > changed between a few years ago when they were NOT in main and now > when they ARE in main? > > (I have looked on Internet without finding the answer.) Please see http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-multimedia-maintainers/2011-August/020885.html And please explicitly state if you need to be cc'ed directly (e.g. if not subscribed to the list you are posting to), as per http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct Kind regards, - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: Are libav and x264 DFSG-free now?
On 06/08/11 19:43, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Sa, Aug 06, 2011 at 14:41:58 (CEST), Eugen Dedu wrote: Hi, First, a minor incoherence: on http://packages.qa.debian.org/liba/libav.html the maintainer field is "Debian multimedia packages maintainers", while on http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/x264.html it is "Debian Multimedia Maintainers", even if both teams are the same team in fact. Oh, thanks, I'll update that on the next upload. It seems many packages are in this case: just looked at http://www.debian.org/devel/people and saw two huge lists for both denominations. -- Eugen ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Are libav and x264 DFSG-free now?
Hi, I am maintainer of ptlib/opal/ekiga packages and I have noticed that since recently some in-the-past non-free codecs (H264 for example) are now working since they are in debian main. I would like to know why libav (ffmpeg) and x264 are now found in main while before they were not. Why before they were considered DFSG non-free, and now they are considered DFSG-free? Has DSFG-freeness changed? Have ftp-master changed their mind? To resume: what has changed between a few years ago when they were NOT in main and now when they ARE in main? (I have looked on Internet without finding the answer.) Best regards, -- Eugen Dedu http://eugen.dedu.free.fr ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: Are libav and x264 DFSG-free now?
Hi Eugen, and others, On 11-08-06 at 08:34pm, Eugen Dedu wrote: > On 06/08/11 19:43, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > >On Sa, Aug 06, 2011 at 14:41:58 (CEST), Eugen Dedu wrote: > >>And now to my original question. I have looked on Internet without > >>finding the answer. I would like to know why libav (ffmpeg) and > >>x264 are now found in main while before they were not. Why before > >>they were considered DFSG non-free, and now they are considered > >>DFSG-free? Has anything changed in the "patents" they code? Has > >>DSFG-freeness changed? Have ftp-master changed their mind? More > >>generally, what has changed between when they were non-free and now? > > > >I can reaffirm that Debian distributes both libav as well as x264 > >under the GPLv2, which is perfectly compliant with the DFSG. As for > >your question regarding patents, please a look at the Debian Patent > >FAQ: > > > >http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq > > > >There may or may not be soon a libav-extra package in debian that is > >distributed under GPLv3, but that's probably unrelated to your > >question. > > I still do not understand. You say that now they are compliant with > DFSG. But my main question is: what has changed between a few years > ago when those codecs were NOT in main, and now when they ARE in main? > Shouldn't they have been in main since the beginning then? The central thing changed, I believe, is the very release of above referenced document (notice its release date). Be careful what you discuss on mailinglists regarding patents. Please pretty please do read above document - especially the last sentence of the section named "How do I become aware of the existence of a patent?". This might explain the odd silence about these changes to Debian. Please encourage others to read above general patent-faq rather and consider seriously the potential implications of discussing openly specific potentially patented material in Debian. Regards, - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: Are libav and x264 DFSG-free now?
On Sa, Aug 06, 2011 at 20:34:59 (CEST), Eugen Dedu wrote: [...] >> I can reaffirm that Debian distributes both libav as well as x264 under >> the GPLv2, which is perfectly compliant with the DFSG. As for your >> question regarding patents, please a look at the Debian Patent FAQ: >> >> http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq >> >> There may or may not be soon a libav-extra package in debian that is >> distributed under GPLv3, but that's probably unrelated to your question. > > I still do not understand. You say that now they are compliant with > DFSG. But my main question is: what has changed between a few years ago > when those codecs were NOT in main, and now when they ARE in main? > Shouldn't they have been in main since the beginning then? I think so, yes. For details, you'd need to ask ftp-master that. In terms of communication between ftp-master and pkg-multimedia, the situation is as ever: there is none on this matter. -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: Are libav and x264 DFSG-free now?
On 06/08/11 19:43, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Sa, Aug 06, 2011 at 14:41:58 (CEST), Eugen Dedu wrote: Hi, First, a minor incoherence: on http://packages.qa.debian.org/liba/libav.html the maintainer field is "Debian multimedia packages maintainers", while on http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/x264.html it is "Debian Multimedia Maintainers", even if both teams are the same team in fact. Oh, thanks, I'll update that on the next upload. And now to my original question. I have looked on Internet without finding the answer. I would like to know why libav (ffmpeg) and x264 are now found in main while before they were not. Why before they were considered DFSG non-free, and now they are considered DFSG-free? Has anything changed in the "patents" they code? Has DSFG-freeness changed? Have ftp-master changed their mind? More generally, what has changed between when they were non-free and now? I can reaffirm that Debian distributes both libav as well as x264 under the GPLv2, which is perfectly compliant with the DFSG. As for your question regarding patents, please a look at the Debian Patent FAQ: http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq There may or may not be soon a libav-extra package in debian that is distributed under GPLv3, but that's probably unrelated to your question. I still do not understand. You say that now they are compliant with DFSG. But my main question is: what has changed between a few years ago when those codecs were NOT in main, and now when they ARE in main? Shouldn't they have been in main since the beginning then? -- Eugen ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: Are libav and x264 DFSG-free now?
On Sa, Aug 06, 2011 at 14:41:58 (CEST), Eugen Dedu wrote: > Hi, > > First, a minor incoherence: on > http://packages.qa.debian.org/liba/libav.html the maintainer field is > "Debian multimedia packages maintainers", while on > http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/x264.html it is "Debian Multimedia > Maintainers", even if both teams are the same team in fact. Oh, thanks, I'll update that on the next upload. > And now to my original question. I have looked on Internet without > finding the answer. I would like to know why libav (ffmpeg) and x264 > are now found in main while before they were not. Why before they were > considered DFSG non-free, and now they are considered DFSG-free? Has > anything changed in the "patents" they code? Has DSFG-freeness changed? > Have ftp-master changed their mind? More generally, what has changed > between when they were non-free and now? I can reaffirm that Debian distributes both libav as well as x264 under the GPLv2, which is perfectly compliant with the DFSG. As for your question regarding patents, please a look at the Debian Patent FAQ: http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq There may or may not be soon a libav-extra package in debian that is distributed under GPLv3, but that's probably unrelated to your question. -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Are libav and x264 DFSG-free now?
Hi, First, a minor incoherence: on http://packages.qa.debian.org/liba/libav.html the maintainer field is "Debian multimedia packages maintainers", while on http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/x264.html it is "Debian Multimedia Maintainers", even if both teams are the same team in fact. And now to my original question. I have looked on Internet without finding the answer. I would like to know why libav (ffmpeg) and x264 are now found in main while before they were not. Why before they were considered DFSG non-free, and now they are considered DFSG-free? Has anything changed in the "patents" they code? Has DSFG-freeness changed? Have ftp-master changed their mind? More generally, what has changed between when they were non-free and now? Thank you, -- Eugen ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
