[DRE-maint] Bug#796497: ruby-ronn: depends on obsolete ruby-hpricot

[Axel Beckert]

Hi,

Antonio Terceiro wrote:
> > While ronn is a useful tool, asciidoc and asciidoctor are viable
> > alternatives and are actively maintained as well as available in
> > stretch and jessie.

Since when do asciidoc and asciidoctor support Markdown?

> I had a quick look at ronn and it looks like a lost case. it seems to convert
> the markdown input to HTML first, and only then from HTML to roff, and the
> dependency on hpricot seems very entrenched.
> 
> We currently have 24 packages build-depending on ruby-ronn:
>
> $ grep-dctrl -F Build-Depends -n -s Package ruby-ronn Sources | sort -u

Instead of decreasing, this even grew over time: This command now
finds 32 packages in Sid main only (haven't checked experimental nor
contrib or non-free):

codequery
coquelicot
ctop
cura-engine
dbab
elektra
foodcritic
foremancli
gazebo
git-extras
haproxyctl
i3blocks
ignition-math2
ignition-transport
jq
maim
npm
pacapt
pgloader
python-lua
qiime
r10k
ruby-coveralls
ruby-ghi
sen
seqprep
shapelib
slt
unburden-home-dir
vcsh
voltron
zeal

And yes, I'm at least guilty for unburden-home-dir as I added
generating the man page with ronn in the past year without being aware
of the deprecation of one of its dependencies. For me, it still seems
the best Markdown to Man Page converter despite its internal ugliness
explained above.

I still fail to see how asciidoc and asciidoctor can be seen as
alternatives. The only potential alternatives I'm aware of are
go-md2man and pandoc.

But go-md2man and especially pandoc seem far more heavy-weight
build-dependencies than ronn, at least if Ruby is already installed on
the system…

Since unburden-home-dir is a perl-based project, I'd prefer a
perl-written Markdown to Man Page converter anyways, but I so far
failed to find one.

Regards, Axel
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[DRE-maint] Bug#796497: ruby-ronn: depends on obsolete ruby-hpricot

[Sebastian Boehm]

On 18 November 2015 at 00:32, Antonio Terceiro  wrote:
> I had a quick look at ronn and it looks like a lost case. it seems to convert
> the markdown input to HTML first, and only then from HTML to roff, and the
> dependency on hpricot seems very entrenched.

Yes, I came to the same conclusion when I first looked into it.

> We currently have 24 packages build-depending on ruby-ronn:

Thanks for the list!

I just converted ruby-build from ronn to asciidoc to see how involved
it would be:
http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-ruby-extras/ruby-build.git/commit/?id=5ce69c7a251431dc55acc258a81afc79848bbe3f

While the asciidoc conversion itself is relatively straightforward, it
would be great to see #692274 addressed before tackling this. At the
moment, the ronn build dependency cannot be replaced by asciidoc, but
instead has to be replaced by "asciidoc, libxml2-utils, docbook-xml,
xmlto".

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[DRE-maint] Bug#796497: ruby-ronn: depends on obsolete ruby-hpricot

[Antonio Terceiro]

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:46:23PM +0100, Sebastian Boehm wrote:
> On 18 November 2015 at 00:32, Antonio Terceiro  wrote:
> > I had a quick look at ronn and it looks like a lost case. it seems to 
> > convert
> > the markdown input to HTML first, and only then from HTML to roff, and the
> > dependency on hpricot seems very entrenched.
> 
> Yes, I came to the same conclusion when I first looked into it.
> 
> > We currently have 24 packages build-depending on ruby-ronn:
> 
> Thanks for the list!
> 
> I just converted ruby-build from ronn to asciidoc to see how involved
> it would be:
> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-ruby-extras/ruby-build.git/commit/?id=5ce69c7a251431dc55acc258a81afc79848bbe3f
> 
> While the asciidoc conversion itself is relatively straightforward, it
> would be great to see #692274 addressed before tackling this. At the
> moment, the ronn build dependency cannot be replaced by asciidoc, but
> instead has to be replaced by "asciidoc, libxml2-utils, docbook-xml,
> xmlto".

can you try asciidoctor instead? I just uploaded 1.5.3, which got
support for creating manpages, 2 days ago. It's also Ruby and maintained
by the team so it will be way easier for us to fiddle with it if
needed.

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[DRE-maint] Bug#796497: ruby-ronn: depends on obsolete ruby-hpricot

[Sebastian Boehm]

On 19 November 2015 at 14:41, Antonio Terceiro  wrote:
> can you try asciidoctor instead? I just uploaded 1.5.3, which got
> support for creating manpages, 2 days ago.

Great timing, thanks!

asciidoctor works just fine and significantly cuts down the number of
build dependencies and hence build time.

These are the adjustments I needed to make for asciidoctor:
http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-ruby-extras/ruby-build.git/commit/?id=a801c10bc61a323a6bf93114fc1706c67d43

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[DRE-maint] Bug#796497: ruby-ronn: depends on obsolete ruby-hpricot

[Antonio Terceiro]

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 01:37:23PM +0100, Sebastian Boehm wrote:
> Just for the record: ronn's upstream seems to be dead. The latest
> release is more than five years old and there haven't been any
> upstream commits for over two years.
> 
> While ronn is a useful tool, asciidoc and asciidoctor are viable
> alternatives and are actively maintained as well as available in
> stretch and jessie.

I had a quick look at ronn and it looks like a lost case. it seems to convert
the markdown input to HTML first, and only then from HTML to roff, and the
dependency on hpricot seems very entrenched.

We currently have 24 packages build-depending on ruby-ronn:

$ grep-dctrl -F Build-Depends -n -s Package ruby-ronn Sources | sort -u
chake
coquelicot
cura-engine
dbab
foodcritic
foremancli
gazebo
git-extras
haproxyctl
i3blocks
ignition-math2
ignition-transport
jq
npm
pgloader
python-lua
r10k
rerun
ruby-build
ruby-coveralls
seqprep
shapelib
slt
vcsh

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[DRE-maint] Bug#796497: ruby-ronn: depends on obsolete ruby-hpricot

[Sebastian Boehm]

Just for the record: ronn's upstream seems to be dead. The latest
release is more than five years old and there haven't been any
upstream commits for over two years.

While ronn is a useful tool, asciidoc and asciidoctor are viable
alternatives and are actively maintained as well as available in
stretch and jessie.

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[DRE-maint] Bug#796497: ruby-ronn: depends on obsolete ruby-hpricot

[Christian Hofstaedtler]

Package: ruby-ronn
Severity: important

Dear Maintainer,

your package ruby-ronn depends on ruby-hpricot, which itself is
obsolete.

We, the Ruby Extras team, do not intend to ship it with stretch.
Please find another XML/HTML parser to use, for example
ruby-nokogiri.

I'm filing this report with severity important now, but in due
time it will be upgraded to serious.

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