[Breeze] [Bug 375005] New scrollbars for Plasma 4.9: slow/precise scrolling is no longer intuitive

2017-01-14 Thread Paul M
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375005

Paul M <k...@paulmcauley.com> changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Summary|New scrollbars for Plasma   |New scrollbars for Plasma
   |4.9: slow scrolling is no   |4.9: slow/precise scrolling
   |longer intuitive|is no longer intuitive

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[Breeze] [Bug 375005] New scrollbars for Plasma 4.9: slow scrolling is no longer intuitive

2017-01-14 Thread Paul M
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375005

--- Comment #7 from Paul M <k...@paulmcauley.com> ---
Created attachment 103416
  --> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=103416=edit
An illustration of how less precise scrolling using the bar can be vs. clicking
the area formerly occupied by the scroll arrow.

It makes no sense to remove/hide this tried-and-tested feature for precise
scrolling!

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[Breeze] [Bug 375005] New scrollbars for Plasma 4.9: slow scrolling is no longer intuitive

2017-01-14 Thread Paul M
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375005

--- Comment #6 from Paul M <k...@paulmcauley.com> ---
(In reply to John Salatas from comment #5)
> You can also use the keyboard's up/down arrow keys, for more
> precision/control.

You could, but sometimes the mouse is simply more convenient than the keyboard.
There are also some situations where you do not know where has the focus for
keyboard input, and in those situations it is better to use the mouse.

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[Breeze] [Bug 375005] New scrollbars for Plasma 4.9: slow scrolling is no longer intuitive

2017-01-13 Thread Paul M
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375005

Paul M <k...@paulmcauley.com> changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|UNCONFIRMED
 Resolution|WORKSFORME  |---

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[Breeze] [Bug 375005] New scrollbars for Plasma 4.9: slow scrolling is no longer intuitive

2017-01-13 Thread Paul M
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375005

--- Comment #4 from Paul M <k...@paulmcauley.com> ---
(In reply to Kai Uwe Broulik from comment #3)
> Don't you have a mouse wheel or scroll gesture on your touchpad?

Yes I do but those aren't always precise (especially touchpad scroll gestures).
The arrows are useful for scrolling small distances, or for scrolling lazily
whereby you just keep the arrow pressed down.

I know you don't *have* to click the arrow itself to scroll, but I think they
add some visual clarity, especially for novices, that the function is for
moving up and down. The arrows also distinguish a scroll bar from other UI
elements used in breeze e.g. in Dolphin there is a disk space indicator which
looks almost visually identical to a scroll bar. Hide the arrow when the mouse
is not over and you still get the elegant clean clutter-free design you are
striving for.

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[Breeze] [Bug 375005] New scrollbars for Plasma 4.9: slow scrolling is no longer intuitive

2017-01-13 Thread Paul M
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375005

--- Comment #2 from Paul M <k...@paulmcauley.com> ---
(In reply to Kai Uwe Broulik from comment #1)
> You can configure which buttons you want

Yes, I know you can configure the scroll bar, but as a default it doesn't make
sense to hide the arrow.

The defaults should also be suitable for novices and most of my relatives (who
have used computers for years) read webpages by repeatedly clicking the arrow.

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[Breeze] [Bug 375005] New: New scrollbars for Plasma 4.9: slow scrolling is no longer intuitive

2017-01-13 Thread Paul M
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375005

Bug ID: 375005
   Summary: New scrollbars for Plasma 4.9: slow scrolling is no
longer intuitive
   Product: Breeze
   Version: unspecified
  Platform: Other
OS: Linux
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Severity: normal
  Priority: NOR
 Component: general
  Assignee: plasma-devel@kde.org
  Reporter: k...@paulmcauley.com
  Target Milestone: ---

I tried the new scrollbars for Plasma 4.9 and think they need tweaked further.
With the traditional scrollbars there were arrows on which you could click to
scroll slowly. Now to scroll slowly you have to click on a smaller and less
intuitive hidden white area outside the main scrollbar. Arrows were also more
intuitive for novice users to indicate the function of the bar.

To correct this I think you should show the scroll arrows on mouse over, just
like you show the area representing what is hidden only on mouse over. This
keeps the less cluttered new look, except with the same original functionality.

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[Breeze] [Bug 348513] Ugly breeze styling in libreoffice

2016-12-22 Thread Paul M
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348513

--- Comment #7 from Paul M <k...@paulmcauley.com> ---
(In reply to Paul M from comment #6)
> Apparently this will be fixed in Libreoffice 5.3:
 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97721

(fixed link)

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[Breeze] [Bug 348513] Ugly breeze styling in libreoffice

2016-12-22 Thread Paul M
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348513

Paul M <k...@paulmcauley.com> changed:

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--- Comment #6 from Paul M <k...@paulmcauley.com> ---
Apparently this will be fixed in Libreoffice 5.3:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97721https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97721

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