Re: (Mockup) Re: [RFC] Enforcing Compositing
On Monday 21 February 2011 20:51:40 you wrote: > A Segunda, 21 de Fevereiro de 2011 18:55:25 Martin Gräßlin você escreveu: > > On Monday 21 February 2011 12:55:48 Markus Slopianka wrote: > > > Am Montag 21 Februar 2011, 07:24:33 schrieb Martin Gräßlin: > > > > I don't want to remove the workaround, I only do not longer want to > > > > expose it in the UI. That's a big difference. And I really like > > > > Markus' idea with the None compositing backend. > > > > > > I took a few minutes of time to squeeze out a mockup: > > > http://kamikazow.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/kwin-mockup.png > > > > Only one comment: disabling all effects does not make sense ;-) > > > > > To my own surprise it reduces clutter to a greater degree than I > > > thought it would while also not losing any features. > > > > > > As a side note: In the "All effects" tab the categories are sorted > > > alphabetically. While in theory that sounds good, seeing "Tools" above > > > "Window Management" makes no sense. "Tools" is probably no used by > > > anyone besides a handful of people who develop KWin and benchmarking > > > geeks. > > > > The all effects tab is IMHO completely useless. With more than 40 effects > > with hardly any grouping. We need a different solution here > > what we need is sane bewtiful and probably exculsive (exclusiv as made by > us) defoults and efects the type of person brave enough to look at a > efects list dosent mind a miriad of options we should remember allyas > that most people don't chage defoults As a global experience impact we > can achive much better results by providing a more unified experience as > defoults go, than by trying to create better configure U's :) > > #note im not sayin we should not improve the UI but... i would be muuch > happier to have a coherent set of efects that are part of the experience, > and not random bits of eye candy. it's orthogonal. We need both. We need a better set of default effects and a better UI. > > > > I'd also merge a few effect entries that are mutually exclusive: There > > > are at least two Minimize effects which could be merged into one entry > > > with "Normal" or "Genie" as radio buttons in the effect's config > > > window. Same for closing windows, magnification lens, etc. > > > > Agreed, this is something the current selection does not allow. If you > > want to work on a concept for a new solution that would be highly > > appreciated. > > > > Cheers > > Martin > > oxygen guy, "I make the pretty pictures" signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: (Mockup) Re: [RFC] Enforcing Compositing
A Segunda, 21 de Fevereiro de 2011 18:55:25 Martin Gräßlin você escreveu: > On Monday 21 February 2011 12:55:48 Markus Slopianka wrote: > > Am Montag 21 Februar 2011, 07:24:33 schrieb Martin Gräßlin: > > > I don't want to remove the workaround, I only do not longer want to > > > expose it in the UI. That's a big difference. And I really like Markus' > > > idea with the None compositing backend. > > > > I took a few minutes of time to squeeze out a mockup: > > http://kamikazow.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/kwin-mockup.png > > Only one comment: disabling all effects does not make sense ;-) > > > To my own surprise it reduces clutter to a greater degree than I thought > > it would while also not losing any features. > > > > As a side note: In the "All effects" tab the categories are sorted > > alphabetically. While in theory that sounds good, seeing "Tools" above > > "Window Management" makes no sense. "Tools" is probably no used by anyone > > besides a handful of people who develop KWin and benchmarking geeks. > > The all effects tab is IMHO completely useless. With more than 40 effects > with hardly any grouping. We need a different solution here what we need is sane bewtiful and probably exculsive (exclusiv as made by us) defoults and efects the type of person brave enough to look at a efects list dosent mind a miriad of options we should remember allyas that most people don't chage defoults As a global experience impact we can achive much better results by providing a more unified experience as defoults go, than by trying to create better configure U's :) #note im not sayin we should not improve the UI but... i would be muuch happier to have a coherent set of efects that are part of the experience, and not random bits of eye candy. > > I'd also merge a few effect entries that are mutually exclusive: There > > are at least two Minimize effects which could be merged into one entry > > with "Normal" or "Genie" as radio buttons in the effect's config window. > > Same for closing windows, magnification lens, etc. > > Agreed, this is something the current selection does not allow. If you want > to work on a concept for a new solution that would be highly appreciated. > > Cheers > Martin oxygen guy, "I make the pretty pictures" ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: (Mockup) Re: [RFC] Enforcing Compositing
On Monday 21 February 2011 12:55:48 Markus Slopianka wrote: > Am Montag 21 Februar 2011, 07:24:33 schrieb Martin Gräßlin: > > I don't want to remove the workaround, I only do not longer want to > > expose it in the UI. That's a big difference. And I really like Markus' > > idea with the None compositing backend. > > I took a few minutes of time to squeeze out a mockup: > http://kamikazow.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/kwin-mockup.png Only one comment: disabling all effects does not make sense ;-) > > To my own surprise it reduces clutter to a greater degree than I thought it > would while also not losing any features. > > As a side note: In the "All effects" tab the categories are sorted > alphabetically. While in theory that sounds good, seeing "Tools" above > "Window Management" makes no sense. "Tools" is probably no used by anyone > besides a handful of people who develop KWin and benchmarking geeks. The all effects tab is IMHO completely useless. With more than 40 effects with hardly any grouping. We need a different solution here > > I'd also merge a few effect entries that are mutually exclusive: There are > at least two Minimize effects which could be merged into one entry with > "Normal" or "Genie" as radio buttons in the effect's config window. > Same for closing windows, magnification lens, etc. Agreed, this is something the current selection does not allow. If you want to work on a concept for a new solution that would be highly appreciated. Cheers Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: (Mockup) Re: [RFC] Enforcing Compositing
Am Montag 21 Februar 2011, 14:24:42 schrieb Sebastian Kügler: > I agree with Martin that the KWin KCMs could use a major redesign, > shuffling options around is not enough and leads to confusion among users > short-term, without tackling the real problem long term. My side note was not the main point of my mail. If it was, it would've been a mail outside this thread. Martin wanted to remove the GUI option to deactivate compositing completely. I suggested to move it to Advanced and he said he likes the idea. Now I made a mockup to see myself (and show others) how it would look. And I feel wholeheartedly that the result not only meets Martin's requirements, it also increases usability. How often do you get that in a compromise? Maybe I do a mockup of a full-blown redesign soon. I can't promise anything, though. Markus ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: (Mockup) Re: [RFC] Enforcing Compositing
On Monday, February 21, 2011 12:55:48 Markus Slopianka wrote: > Am Montag 21 Februar 2011, 07:24:33 schrieb Martin Gräßlin: > > I don't want to remove the workaround, I only do not longer want to > > expose it in the UI. That's a big difference. And I really like Markus' > > idea with the None compositing backend. > > I took a few minutes of time to squeeze out a mockup: > http://kamikazow.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/kwin-mockup.png > > To my own surprise it reduces clutter to a greater degree than I thought it > would while also not losing any features. > > As a side note: In the "All effects" tab the categories are sorted > alphabetically. While in theory that sounds good, seeing "Tools" above > "Window Management" makes no sense. "Tools" is probably no used by anyone > besides a handful of people who develop KWin and benchmarking geeks. > > I'd also merge a few effect entries that are mutually exclusive: There are > at least two Minimize effects which could be merged into one entry with > "Normal" or "Genie" as radio buttons in the effect's config window. > Same for closing windows, magnification lens, etc. I agree with Martin that the KWin KCMs could use a major redesign, shuffling options around is not enough and leads to confusion among users short-term, without tackling the real problem long term. For one, the pages widget and tab widgets bring a second navigational level (choose right page, then choose the right tab), which is really quite broken. That should be tackled, rather than shuffling options. Furthermore, this is not a UI design issue, don't make it one. (We can work on that later when there's consensus about the way forward.) Cheers, -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
(Mockup) Re: [RFC] Enforcing Compositing
Am Montag 21 Februar 2011, 07:24:33 schrieb Martin Gräßlin: > I don't want to remove the workaround, I only do not longer want to expose > it in the UI. That's a big difference. And I really like Markus' idea with > the None compositing backend. I took a few minutes of time to squeeze out a mockup: http://kamikazow.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/kwin-mockup.png To my own surprise it reduces clutter to a greater degree than I thought it would while also not losing any features. As a side note: In the "All effects" tab the categories are sorted alphabetically. While in theory that sounds good, seeing "Tools" above "Window Management" makes no sense. "Tools" is probably no used by anyone besides a handful of people who develop KWin and benchmarking geeks. I'd also merge a few effect entries that are mutually exclusive: There are at least two Minimize effects which could be merged into one entry with "Normal" or "Genie" as radio buttons in the effect's config window. Same for closing windows, magnification lens, etc. Bye. Markus ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
