[Powerdevil] [Bug 358957] laptop won't hybrid-suspend when Plasma is running

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358957

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 Resolution|--- |FIXED

--- Comment #21 from Nate Graham  ---
Thanks for confirming! If we need another bug to track additional work, we
should do that.

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[Powerdevil] [Bug 358957] laptop won't hybrid-suspend when Plasma is running

[Andrei Slavoiu]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358957

--- Comment #20 from Andrei Slavoiu  ---
This bug is actually fixed for almost an year. The commit that fixed it was
made in March last year
https://cgit.kde.org/powerdevil.git/commit/?id=c6b76da7a67977deacadb65e6e9d1713e8b3f7b6
that added hybid-suspend as an option to the lid-close and power-button
actions.
But while the bug itself is closed, hybrid suspend is still not a first class
citizen in plasma, I suppose this is why the bug remained open. There is still
no way to trigger hybrid-suspend on demand (from the start menu or from the
logout applet).
BTW, I'm not a KDE developer and had nothing to do with the actual fix.

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[Powerdevil] [Bug 358957] laptop won't hybrid-suspend when Plasma is running

[Navid Zamani]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358957

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--- Comment #19 from Navid Zamani  ---
Wow, this bug exists since 2012! When KDE 4 was still normal. More than 5½
years now.

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302968#c0

An example of where the “nobody’s responsibility” culture of most open source
projects fails.

And the most-discussed thing in those years, was whether the user should be
treated like a moron. (Which usually follows the great motto of coprorations:
“Treat the user like a moron *until he is*.” Shifting the bell cure of
stupidity downwards, resulting in even dumber users and hence even lower
expectations, in a vicious cycle that ends up with nightmares like iOS or
Windows 8 or Ubuntu Unity or MS Bob and Clippy.)

…

I tried to add this functionality myself. But the KDE code is a combination of
such horribly bad and outdated languages and massive gigantic heaps of
boilerplate and bloat, together with a lack of actual documentation, that it
hurts too much to even try to understand it. So I understand well, why things
like this aren’t just fixed by a volunteer (or even regular).

When you discover you’re riding a dead horse, … dismount.

*dismounts*

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[Powerdevil] [Bug 358957] laptop won't hybrid-suspend when Plasma is running

[Brennan Kinney]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358957

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--- Comment #18 from Brennan Kinney  ---
What is the status of this support? Is it still only discussed/tracked here?

If the feature is not difficult to add/contribute, can an experienced dev
familiar with the codebase point out what needs to be done where?(files to
change, UI adjustments, etc)

>From what I gather reading this, adding the basic functionality to the launcher
leave options is trivial?(if so what files/lines? for launcher support)

Followed by some UI settings modification(System Settings -> Power Management
-> Advanced Settings?) and extra changes elsewhere to support laptop lid
behaviour?

---

I'm in agreement with getting this 5 year old
request(https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302968) functional and available,
tweak the UI later if there is a need. Even just having it as a launcher option
would be nice(I noticed Power Management -> Energy Saving has a dropdown for
the power button action supporting hybrid-sleep).

While benefits are obvious for laptop users, it's also useful as a desktop
user, I would prefer it.

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[Powerdevil] [Bug 358957] laptop won't hybrid-suspend when Plasma is running

[Stuart Morgan]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358957

--- Comment #17 from Stuart Morgan  ---

I completely understand the volunteer nature of the project, I've been an open
source contributor for well over 10 years now. However no-one wants to waste
their time working on a solution when there is one already in progress by
someone in the core team.

I'm going to take it from your response that it isn't currently the case, so
yes, time permitting (and it generally doesn't these days), I will work on it
myself.

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[Powerdevil] [Bug 358957] laptop won't hybrid-suspend when Plasma is running

[Martin Gräßlin]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358957

--- Comment #16 from Martin Gräßlin  ---
> If no-one currently active on the project is able (too busy) or 
> interested in
> implementing this, then please tell us now so that one of us from the 
> community
> can step up and do it instead.

we are a community of mostly volunteers. One of the base principals is 
scratch your own itch. If you want to have this feature: work on it. 
Don't wait for anyone telling you, that you should work on it. Just do.

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[Powerdevil] [Bug 358957] laptop won't hybrid-suspend when Plasma is running

[Riku Voipio]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358957

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--- Comment #14 from Riku Voipio  ---
systemctl has actions sleep, hybrid-sleep, hibernate, poweroff. I think making
menu for lid actions match this would keep both the code and UI simpler than
the checkbox option. But any form of hybrid-sleep support would be preferred.

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[Powerdevil] [Bug 358957] laptop won't hybrid-suspend when Plasma is running

[Kai Uwe Broulik via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #13 from Kai Uwe Broulik  ---
If the average user configures it for "no action" this means no action
whatsoever. A user should not need to know there's a ton of different services
who all mess with his or her session in different ways.

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[Powerdevil] [Bug 358957] laptop won't hybrid-suspend when Plasma is running

[Thomas Fruehbeck via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358957

--- Comment #12 from Thomas Fruehbeck  ---
(In reply to Kai Uwe Broulik from comment #11)
> If you set button handling to *no action* this doesn't mean some other
> service should randomly do stuff instead...

After having thought heavily about your statement I come to the conclusion:
 - you read *no action* as: no action by anything in this system
 - I read *no action* as: no action by Powerdevil

It boils down to the question "who rules" - take it or leave it.
As the workarounds like above show, I am not the only one irritated by
Powerdevils policy.

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[Powerdevil] [Bug 358957] laptop won't hybrid-suspend when Plasma is running

[Kai Uwe Broulik via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #11 from Kai Uwe Broulik  ---
If you set button handling to *no action* this doesn't mean some other service
should randomly do stuff instead...

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[Powerdevil] [Bug 358957] laptop won't hybrid-suspend when Plasma is running

[Thomas Fruehbeck via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358957

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--- Comment #10 from Thomas Fruehbeck  ---
IMHO the problem starts with Powerdevil _unconditionally_ inhibiting
Systemd.Logind actions, even though it might have been set to "No Action".

See: PolicyAgent::setupSystemdInhibition() 
- no check about responsibility of Powerdevil for the required action
- just dumb "block" of all available events

Why doesnt Powerdevil take its own configuration into account?
This is very aggressive and annoying, and leads to ugly workarounds like above.

Test: disable handling of Button events - inhibitions are not removed!

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[Powerdevil] [Bug 358957] laptop won't hybrid-suspend when Plasma is running

[Ian Turner via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358957

--- Comment #9 from Ian Turner  ---
I would vote for adding "both" to the dropdown selections rather than just a
checkbox -- users might want to choose hybrid suspend when suspending on a
critical battery, but just regular suspend when suspending on a lid close, for
example.

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[Powerdevil] [Bug 358957] laptop won't hybrid-suspend when Plasma is running

[Bas Zoetekouw via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358957

--- Comment #8 from Bas Zoetekouw  ---
I like the idea of using "suspend to disk/mem/both", although I'm not sure what
the best UI is to express this choice (using a dropdown with the three options,
or using two checkboxes).

In any case, I would prefer exposing the three methods on equal footing in the
"Power Management" module of the system settings, rather than hiding the "use
hybrid suspend" option somewhere in an advances settings screen.

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[Powerdevil] [Bug 358957] laptop won't hybrid-suspend when Plasma is running

[Heiko Tietze via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358957

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--- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze  ---
My first thought was to agree with the checkbox. But actually it's an
intermediate method suspending to both RAM and disk. If you could place the
checkbox at either hibernate or suspend it makes no sense. By the way: I like
the description in the Arch wiki with "Suspend to RAM/disk/both". From the
usability POV even a third option (aka radio button) is not a good solution.
Strictly speaking it's not an exclusive setting. "Both" implies rather to have
checkboxes for RAM (or hibernate) and disk (aka suspend, I may have mixed the
terms), and checking both means hybrid-suspense. If I understand the underlying
functionality right it works exactly in this way: you have the current state in
both RAM and on disk allowing to wake-up quickly from RAM with the safety of a
backup on disk when you run of of battery.

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[Powerdevil] [Bug 358957] laptop won't hybrid-suspend when Plasma is running

[Kai Uwe Broulik via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358957

Kai Uwe Broulik  changed:

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--- Comment #6 from Kai Uwe Broulik  ---
Usability: What do you think?

Should we make "Hybrid Suspend" another option in addition to Suspend to RAM
and Suspend to Disk, ie. expose that in PowerDevil settings, Kickoff, and what
not.

Or should we add a "[X] Use hybrid suspend" (with a whats this text, I'm open
for better wording) checkbox which makes "suspend to ram" just hybrid suspend
and done? That checkbox should only appear if the system is confgiured for
hybrid suspend I guess. Also, I'm not sure whether to place it on the
"advanced" tab of PowerDevil since it affects multiple actions or next to the
"when power button is pressed" or elsewhere?

Other suggestions?

Also, I'm not sure how well we support that right now, I haven't managed to set
it up on my machine so far :) I heard some people say that while it's
suspending you just get a black screen forever? Or is this the Distro's job to
show a Plymouth screen for that? Or do we need to show a spinny thing? Dunno
...

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[Powerdevil] [Bug 358957] laptop won't hybrid-suspend when Plasma is running

[David Smid via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358957

--- Comment #5 from David Smid  ---
An ugly workaround:

1. In PowerDevil settings, set lid close action to "Do nothing" in all profiles

2. Add this to /etc/systemd/logind.conf :
  HandleLidSwitch=hybrid-sleep

3. Restart logind:
  systemctl restart systemd-logind

4. Download fdmanage.py, make it executable and put in your PATH:
  https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ticpu/tools/master/fdmanage.py

5. Add this to session autostart (edit /etc/sudoers to enable running as root
without password):
  sudo fdmanage.py $(lsof -c kded5 2>/dev/null | grep
/run/systemd/inhibit/ | awk '{gsub("w",""); print $2 " " $4; exit}')

This will release PowerDevil's inhibit lock and will let logind to manage the
lid-close action instead.

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[Powerdevil] [Bug 358957] laptop won't hybrid-suspend when Plasma is running

[David Smid via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358957

--- Comment #4 from David Smid  ---
(In reply to Martin Gräßlin from comment #2)

> or maybe use HybridSuspend instead of Suspend if available. I am not sure
> whether it makes sense to expose such a fine grained difference to the user.

A "Use Hybrid-Suspend if available" checkbox in PowerDevil settings would be a
nice and simple way how to expose this feature.

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[Powerdevil] [Bug 358957] laptop won't hybrid-suspend when Plasma is running

[Sebastian Kügler via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358957

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Summary|laptop won't hybrid-suspend |laptop won't hybrid-suspend
   |when KDE is running |when Plasma is running
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