Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
Ok so I have to ask (because my mum once told me as a child, slow people ask a lot of questions - but only complete idiots don't) :) Place be nice. Wouldn't it be possible to have the wallpaper picker pick the login wallpaper as well? I mean say I choose a wallpaper with a photo of a dog or something - can't the wallpaper picker, blur it with gaussian blur at the time of picking, saving it in a special folder and at the same time deleting the past blurred wallpaper? So that when you log in you have your current wallpaper, blured as background? /Jens On Sunday 22 June 2014 20.57.11 Martin Graesslin wrote: On Saturday 21 June 2014 16:18:10 Kai Uwe Broulik wrote: Can't we just use QtGraphicalEffects and just blur (and/or desaturate and/or darken) whatever picture the user has chosen? The overall performance of these is great (at least on Android which is slow in any other QtQuick respect) but their instantiation takes ages, so might not be suitable for lockscreen which needs to start quickly or splash which shouldn't unnecessarily delay startup. So, umm, while writing this I figured it's not that good of an idea as I initially thought :-) so you suggest that on millions of devices we blur the window fullscreen every time the user logs in (lots of more important stuff to do) and locks the screen? Compared to preparing it once and just installing it? That sounds like a very bad memory-time tradeoff [1]. Cheers Martin [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-memory_tradeoff ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
(Im really really tired - please let me rephrase) Ok so you have the default blurred wallpaper for the login, based on the default wallpaper. But then you pick a new wallpaper, and instead of having it get blurred during login (which would make it really heavy and annoying) the wallpaper picker blurs at the time of choosing, saving it (and the default one) in some folder to be used as background for the login. When you pick a new wallpaper the picker deletes the current one and replaces it with the blurred image of your current choice. The PNG of the blurred wallpaper can even be smaller in resolution (to save on space I guess) since, using gaussian blur removes all detail anyway and the resolution becomes almost meaningless. (Granted I know close to nothing about the subject - just wondering why that wouldn't work) On Monday 23 June 2014 08.42.27 Jens Reuterberg wrote: Ok so I have to ask (because my mum once told me as a child, slow people ask a lot of questions - but only complete idiots don't) :) Place be nice. Wouldn't it be possible to have the wallpaper picker pick the login wallpaper as well? I mean say I choose a wallpaper with a photo of a dog or something - can't the wallpaper picker, blur it with gaussian blur at the time of picking, saving it in a special folder and at the same time deleting the past blurred wallpaper? So that when you log in you have your current wallpaper, blured as background? /Jens On Sunday 22 June 2014 20.57.11 Martin Graesslin wrote: On Saturday 21 June 2014 16:18:10 Kai Uwe Broulik wrote: Can't we just use QtGraphicalEffects and just blur (and/or desaturate and/or darken) whatever picture the user has chosen? The overall performance of these is great (at least on Android which is slow in any other QtQuick respect) but their instantiation takes ages, so might not be suitable for lockscreen which needs to start quickly or splash which shouldn't unnecessarily delay startup. So, umm, while writing this I figured it's not that good of an idea as I initially thought :-) so you suggest that on millions of devices we blur the window fullscreen every time the user logs in (lots of more important stuff to do) and locks the screen? Compared to preparing it once and just installing it? That sounds like a very bad memory-time tradeoff [1]. Cheers Martin [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-memory_tradeoff ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
On Monday 23 June 2014 08:49:21 Jens Reuterberg wrote: (Im really really tired - please let me rephrase) Ok so you have the default blurred wallpaper for the login, based on the default wallpaper. But then you pick a new wallpaper, and instead of having it get blurred during login (which would make it really heavy and annoying) the wallpaper picker blurs at the time of choosing, saving it (and the default one) in some folder to be used as background for the login. When you pick a new wallpaper the picker deletes the current one and replaces it with the blurred image of your current choice. The PNG of the blurred wallpaper can even be smaller in resolution (to save on space I guess) since, using gaussian blur removes all detail anyway and the resolution becomes almost meaningless. Yes that would work and would be a good solution. There are just a few technical issues with getting the wallpaper to the lock screen, thus it's not something we can do for 5.0. Cheers Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
blurred wallpaper can even be smaller in resolution (to save on space I guess) since, using gaussian blur removes all detail anyway and the resolution becomes almost meaningless. Yes that would work and would be a good solution. There The question is *which* wallpaper. From which activity / or which virtual desktop. I would love to see this implemented, but it will not be as trivial as this. We might tell plasma to symlink the last shown wallpaper to a predefined location (analogous to .face.icon) or something. Blurring would be problematic for that case. Cheerio, Ivan KDE, ivan.cukic at kde.org, http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/ gpg key id: 850B6F76, keyserver.pgp.com ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
On 23.06.2014 10:16, Ivan Čukić wrote: blurred wallpaper can even be smaller in resolution (to save on space I guess) since, using gaussian blur removes all detail anyway and the resolution becomes almost meaningless. Yes that would work and would be a good solution. There The question is *which* wallpaper. From which activity / or which virtual desktop. I would love to see this implemented, but it will not be as trivial as this. How about when selecting a wallpaper for anything, users can tick a checkbox Use this wallpaper for login, which then blurs and symlinks it? Con: There would not be a smooth transition if a different wallpaper is shown after login Pro: The user would be in control ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
On Monday 23 June 2014 10:26:26 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: On 23.06.2014 10:16, Ivan Čukić wrote: blurred wallpaper can even be smaller in resolution (to save on space I guess) since, using gaussian blur removes all detail anyway and the resolution becomes almost meaningless. Yes that would work and would be a good solution. There The question is *which* wallpaper. From which activity / or which virtual desktop. I would love to see this implemented, but it will not be as trivial as this. How about when selecting a wallpaper for anything, users can tick a checkbox Use this wallpaper for login, which then blurs and symlinks it? Con: There would not be a smooth transition if a different wallpaper is shown after login Pro: The user would be in control How about we implement proper configuration for the login screen including support for animated wallpapers (screen saver replacement), plasmoids and so on? That way we don't need to link anything from the desktop shell to the lock screen. Cheers Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
Right... Ok so if I pick a wallpaper for my start activity that wallpaper should be the wallpaper used. If a user on the other hand have created several activities with different set-ups and deleted the first activity then the last wallpaper edited should be the wallpaper used and the user can in that way control which it is. OR we can do what gnome does, essentially set it up as its own wallpaper picker. You pick one for login and then one for wallpaper. But that seems kinda redundant. I think adding things to the wallpaper picked might be counterproductive since adding options isn't really adding to usability, just complexity. Now I don't know how hard proper configuration for the login screen including support for animated wallpapers is to implement and make so it doesn't add to boot-up time, I just assumed that if it was easy it had already been done. ... and if it isn't wouldn't this serve as a better option? I mean if it doesn't add on boot-up time, if it isn't a massive project to create and it solves the issue wouldn't the method be better to have now instead of hoping for the the perfect solution in the future? (Again, to have that said, I know close to zero about this issue - so please take whatever that plops out of my mouth with a pinch and a bucket full of salt. I just thought it made sense in my brain - which may not be true in reality) On Monday 23 June 2014 10.29.41 Martin Gräßlin wrote: On Monday 23 June 2014 10:26:26 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: On 23.06.2014 10:16, Ivan Čukić wrote: blurred wallpaper can even be smaller in resolution (to save on space I guess) since, using gaussian blur removes all detail anyway and the resolution becomes almost meaningless. Yes that would work and would be a good solution. There The question is *which* wallpaper. From which activity / or which virtual desktop. I would love to see this implemented, but it will not be as trivial as this. How about when selecting a wallpaper for anything, users can tick a checkbox Use this wallpaper for login, which then blurs and symlinks it? Con: There would not be a smooth transition if a different wallpaper is shown after login Pro: The user would be in control How about we implement proper configuration for the login screen including support for animated wallpapers (screen saver replacement), plasmoids and so on? That way we don't need to link anything from the desktop shell to the lock screen. Cheers Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
On Monday 23 June 2014, Ivan Čukić wrote: blurred wallpaper can even be smaller in resolution (to save on space I guess) since, using gaussian blur removes all detail anyway and the resolution becomes almost meaningless. Yes that would work and would be a good solution. There The question is *which* wallpaper. From which activity / or which virtual desktop. I would love to see this implemented, but it will not be as trivial as this. * and in case of the bootsplash/login manager, which user -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
Well the user selected? Oh wouldn't that be cool!? Ok so say me and Andrew and you (Marco) share a computer (against all geographical difficulties) when I select my user the wallpaper I picked would be displayed with my photo. When we select YOUR user your wallpaper get displayed as background instead... I mean if someone HAVEN'T picked one its the standard, default, wallpaper. If you have several activities - then the first default one OR the last one picked. Which would mean 1 wallpaper per user, per activity plus the default one though... On Monday 23 June 2014 10.50.23 Marco Martin wrote: On Monday 23 June 2014, Ivan Čukić wrote: blurred wallpaper can even be smaller in resolution (to save on space I guess) since, using gaussian blur removes all detail anyway and the resolution becomes almost meaningless. Yes that would work and would be a good solution. There The question is *which* wallpaper. From which activity / or which virtual desktop. I would love to see this implemented, but it will not be as trivial as this. * and in case of the bootsplash/login manager, which user ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
On Monday 23 June 2014 10:55:07 Jens wrote: Well the user selected? Oh wouldn't that be cool!? no it wouldn't because of privacy and security. A wallpaper can both expose very private information one wouldn't want on the login screen (think of picture of naked girlfriend category) and is also security relevant. In fact it might not be possible to get the information at all as the home partition might be encrypted. There are things which call for a default wallpaper. The login screen is one of them :-) Cheers Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
On Monday 23 June 2014, Martin Gräßlin wrote: On Monday 23 June 2014 10:55:07 Jens wrote: Well the user selected? Oh wouldn't that be cool!? no it wouldn't because of privacy and security. A wallpaper can both expose very private information one wouldn't want on the login screen (think of picture of naked girlfriend category) and is also security relevant. In fact it might not be possible to get the information at all as the home partition might be encrypted. There are things which call for a default wallpaper. The login screen is one of them :-) may be set either with a separate kcm, or whith an option in the contaiment wallpaper setting (with the appropriate warning message on the neutral nature the wallpaper should be) Then It would ask the password with polkit and then copy it somewhere global -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
Martin G: Who has an image of their naked better half as wallpaper? :) (this is so going into my usability report btw Now you can have a photo of your naked partner as wallpaper without it showing in the login! ;) ) But yeah point taken :D On Monday 23 June 2014 11.09.19 Marco Martin wrote: may be set either with a separate kcm, or whith an option in the contaiment wallpaper setting (with the appropriate warning message on the neutral nature the wallpaper should be) Then It would ask the password with polkit and then copy it somewhere global +1+1! ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Jens j...@ohyran.se wrote: Martin G: Who has an image of their naked better half as wallpaper? :) (this is so going into my usability report btw Now you can have a photo of your naked partner as wallpaper without it showing in the login! ;) ) But yeah point taken :D On Monday 23 June 2014 11.09.19 Marco Martin wrote: may be set either with a separate kcm, or whith an option in the contaiment wallpaper setting (with the appropriate warning message on the neutral nature the wallpaper should be) Then It would ask the password with polkit and then copy it somewhere global +1+1! +1, OTOH, I think it's acceptable to assume the lookfeel theme provides the background and that it's part of the decision of the used look and feel package what the lock screen will have as a background. Aleix ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
On Saturday 21 June 2014 16:18:10 Kai Uwe Broulik wrote: Can't we just use QtGraphicalEffects and just blur (and/or desaturate and/or darken) whatever picture the user has chosen? The overall performance of these is great (at least on Android which is slow in any other QtQuick respect) but their instantiation takes ages, so might not be suitable for lockscreen which needs to start quickly or splash which shouldn't unnecessarily delay startup. So, umm, while writing this I figured it's not that good of an idea as I initially thought :-) so you suggest that on millions of devices we blur the window fullscreen every time the user logs in (lots of more important stuff to do) and locks the screen? Compared to preparing it once and just installing it? That sounds like a very bad memory-time tradeoff [1]. Cheers Martin [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-memory_tradeoff signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
Well, imho the wallpaper on the lockscreen should be the one the user has chosen for his/her desktop, and there we cannot influence that. Even if the lockscreen wallpaper is configurable we don't have influence on its appearance either. Was just a thought, there may be a dozen of reasons not to do as I proposed ;) Cheers, Kai Uwe Am 22.06.2014 20:57 schrieb Martin Graesslin mgraess...@kde.org: On Saturday 21 June 2014 16:18:10 Kai Uwe Broulik wrote: Can't we just use QtGraphicalEffects and just blur (and/or desaturate and/or darken) whatever picture the user has chosen? The overall performance of these is great (at least on Android which is slow in any other QtQuick respect) but their instantiation takes ages, so might not be suitable for lockscreen which needs to start quickly or splash which shouldn't unnecessarily delay startup. So, umm, while writing this I figured it's not that good of an idea as I initially thought :-) so you suggest that on millions of devices we blur the window fullscreen every time the user logs in (lots of more important stuff to do) and locks the screen? Compared to preparing it once and just installing it? That sounds like a very bad memory-time tradeoff [1]. Cheers Martin [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-memory_tradeoff ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
This blurred, dimmed version of the default wallpaper has been committed for use by the login, splash and lockscreen. Much respect, Andrew On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Kai Uwe Broulik k...@privat.broulik.de wrote: Well, imho the wallpaper on the lockscreen should be the one the user has chosen for his/her desktop, and there we cannot influence that. Even if the lockscreen wallpaper is configurable we don't have influence on its appearance either. Was just a thought, there may be a dozen of reasons not to do as I proposed ;) Cheers, Kai Uwe Am 22.06.2014 20:57 schrieb Martin Graesslin mgraess...@kde.org: On Saturday 21 June 2014 16:18:10 Kai Uwe Broulik wrote: Can't we just use QtGraphicalEffects and just blur (and/or desaturate and/or darken) whatever picture the user has chosen? The overall performance of these is great (at least on Android which is slow in any other QtQuick respect) but their instantiation takes ages, so might not be suitable for lockscreen which needs to start quickly or splash which shouldn't unnecessarily delay startup. So, umm, while writing this I figured it's not that good of an idea as I initially thought :-) so you suggest that on millions of devices we blur the window fullscreen every time the user logs in (lots of more important stuff to do) and locks the screen? Compared to preparing it once and just installing it? That sounds like a very bad memory-time tradeoff [1]. Cheers Martin [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-memory_tradeoff ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
Hello all, With the sharpness of the default background image in the login, splash and lockscreen, both the foreground and background appear to be in focus - causing a slightly uncomfortable lack of depth. Things seem to look better with a defocused and slightly dimmed background - the foreground appears sharp and in-focus relative to the background and the fade-to-desktop effect with the default wallpaper has the pleasant visual side effect of appearing to bring the desktop into focus. Before I could get a screenshot my local neon install kinda flaked out. So I've provided a link to the defocused and dimmed background image. I'm hoping someone can try it out locally before I commit. It replaces the background.png file in lookandfeel/contents/components/artwork and lookandfeel/contents/splash/images. (Also I'd be fine if the same thing were accomplished programmatically instead.) New background file: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/06/21/background.png Could someone try this out when you get a chance? I'll commit if there are no objections. Thanks, Andrew ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
On Saturday 21 June 2014 00:25:35 Andrew Lake wrote: Hello all, With the sharpness of the default background image in the login, splash and lockscreen, both the foreground and background appear to be in focus - causing a slightly uncomfortable lack of depth. Things seem to look better with a defocused and slightly dimmed background - the foreground appears sharp and in-focus relative to the background and the fade-to-desktop effect with the default wallpaper has the pleasant visual side effect of appearing to bring the desktop into focus. Before I could get a screenshot my local neon install kinda flaked out. So I've provided a link to the defocused and dimmed background image. I'm hoping someone can try it out locally before I commit. It replaces the background.png file in lookandfeel/contents/components/artwork and lookandfeel/contents/splash/images. (Also I'd be fine if the same thing were accomplished programmatically instead.) New background file: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/06/21/background.png Could someone try this out when you get a chance? I'll commit if there are no objections. ok, so this goes on login, splash and lockscreen, while the normal background is still in focus? sounds good to me btw just to be sure, this is going to be the final default background? (at some point i understood it could have been this one http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pt8ssY4qgCQ/U3oNfW1csmI/MsA/LQvL-FvMiVQ/s1600/loving+it.png= since the desktop default icon seems to have a variant of it -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
I am +1 about blurring the login AND as for the wallpaper: I've talked to Nuno about it and there is some Mggrmmrl going on there since he has fallen out of love with it and we still need him to send us the proper SVG's off it so we can do several different resolutions of it. If Andrews wallpaper is the new default (assuming its homemade... Andrew?) or whatever it is we should get it sorted asap since we need to use it as the background for the login and it would be nice to put this issue to rest. If Andrews image isn't homebrewed I will hound Nuno some more to get it sent to me so we can just get that bit off our collective chests /Jens (post-midsummer, insanely tired) On Saturday 21 June 2014 12.45.59 Marco Martin wrote: On Saturday 21 June 2014 00:25:35 Andrew Lake wrote: Hello all, With the sharpness of the default background image in the login, splash and lockscreen, both the foreground and background appear to be in focus - causing a slightly uncomfortable lack of depth. Things seem to look better with a defocused and slightly dimmed background - the foreground appears sharp and in-focus relative to the background and the fade-to-desktop effect with the default wallpaper has the pleasant visual side effect of appearing to bring the desktop into focus. Before I could get a screenshot my local neon install kinda flaked out. So I've provided a link to the defocused and dimmed background image. I'm hoping someone can try it out locally before I commit. It replaces the background.png file in lookandfeel/contents/components/artwork and lookandfeel/contents/splash/images. (Also I'd be fine if the same thing were accomplished programmatically instead.) New background file: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/06/21/background.png Could someone try this out when you get a chance? I'll commit if there are no objections. ok, so this goes on login, splash and lockscreen, while the normal background is still in focus? sounds good to me btw just to be sure, this is going to be the final default background? (at some point i understood it could have been this one http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pt8ssY4qgCQ/U3oNfW1csmI/MsA/LQvL-FvMiVQ/s1 600/loving+it.png= since the desktop default icon seems to have a variant of it ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
Just for clarity I'm only proposing the blurred version for the login, splash and lockscreen. The normal, non-blurred version for actual desktop - nuno's wallpaper - is untouched and I assumed that one, or a finished version of it, would be default. Whatever ends up as the default, I'd propose a blurred version of that for the login, splash and lockscreen. I'd be totally fine if Nuno wanted to revamp it altogether, or if we pick something else as default. That screenshot I shared was just some nice wallpaper I took from deviantart. If we wanted to use that one we'd need to contact the author. I'll commit this for the login, splash and lockscreen for the time being and gen up a new one - a couple minutes of effort - if we pick a different default. Much respect, Andrew On Jun 21, 2014 3:52 AM, Jens j...@ohyran.se wrote: I am +1 about blurring the login AND as for the wallpaper: I've talked to Nuno about it and there is some Mggrmmrl going on there since he has fallen out of love with it and we still need him to send us the proper SVG's off it so we can do several different resolutions of it. If Andrews wallpaper is the new default (assuming its homemade... Andrew?) or whatever it is we should get it sorted asap since we need to use it as the background for the login and it would be nice to put this issue to rest. If Andrews image isn't homebrewed I will hound Nuno some more to get it sent to me so we can just get that bit off our collective chests /Jens (post-midsummer, insanely tired) On Saturday 21 June 2014 12.45.59 Marco Martin wrote: On Saturday 21 June 2014 00:25:35 Andrew Lake wrote: Hello all, With the sharpness of the default background image in the login, splash and lockscreen, both the foreground and background appear to be in focus - causing a slightly uncomfortable lack of depth. Things seem to look better with a defocused and slightly dimmed background - the foreground appears sharp and in-focus relative to the background and the fade-to-desktop effect with the default wallpaper has the pleasant visual side effect of appearing to bring the desktop into focus. Before I could get a screenshot my local neon install kinda flaked out. So I've provided a link to the defocused and dimmed background image. I'm hoping someone can try it out locally before I commit. It replaces the background.png file in lookandfeel/contents/components/artwork and lookandfeel/contents/splash/images. (Also I'd be fine if the same thing were accomplished programmatically instead.) New background file: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/06/21/background.png Could someone try this out when you get a chance? I'll commit if there are no objections. ok, so this goes on login, splash and lockscreen, while the normal background is still in focus? sounds good to me btw just to be sure, this is going to be the final default background? (at some point i understood it could have been this one http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pt8ssY4qgCQ/U3oNfW1csmI/MsA/LQvL-FvMiVQ/s1 600/loving+it.png= since the desktop default icon seems to have a variant of it ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
Can't we just use QtGraphicalEffects and just blur (and/or desaturate and/or darken) whatever picture the user has chosen? The overall performance of these is great (at least on Android which is slow in any other QtQuick respect) but their instantiation takes ages, so might not be suitable for lockscreen which needs to start quickly or splash which shouldn't unnecessarily delay startup. So, umm, while writing this I figured it's not that good of an idea as I initially thought :-) Cheers, Kai Uwe Am 21.06.2014 12:45 schrieb Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com: On Saturday 21 June 2014 00:25:35 Andrew Lake wrote: Hello all, With the sharpness of the default background image in the login, splash and lockscreen, both the foreground and background appear to be in focus - causing a slightly uncomfortable lack of depth. Things seem to look better with a defocused and slightly dimmed background - the foreground appears sharp and in-focus relative to the background and the fade-to-desktop effect with the default wallpaper has the pleasant visual side effect of appearing to bring the desktop into focus. Before I could get a screenshot my local neon install kinda flaked out. So I've provided a link to the defocused and dimmed background image. I'm hoping someone can try it out locally before I commit. It replaces the background.png file in lookandfeel/contents/components/artwork and lookandfeel/contents/splash/images. (Also I'd be fine if the same thing were accomplished programmatically instead.) New background file: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/06/21/background.png Could someone try this out when you get a chance? I'll commit if there are no objections. ok, so this goes on login, splash and lockscreen, while the normal background is still in focus? sounds good to me btw just to be sure, this is going to be the final default background? (at some point i understood it could have been this one http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pt8ssY4qgCQ/U3oNfW1csmI/MsA/LQvL-FvMiVQ/s1600/loving+it.png= since the desktop default icon seems to have a variant of it -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
On Saturday 21 June 2014, Kai Uwe Broulik wrote: Can't we just use QtGraphicalEffects and just blur (and/or desaturate and/or darken) whatever picture the user has chosen? The overall performance of these is great (at least on Android which is slow in any other QtQuick respect) but their instantiation takes ages, so might not be suitable for lockscreen which needs to start quickly or splash which shouldn't unnecessarily delay startup. I think that's something that we want to try *eventually* but so far, the status of the interaction of QtQuick and X11 drivers is so bad that I wouldn't dare attempt this for now. Maybe after few releases when everything has been debugged and hammered down enough on drivers and qt side, we can give it a try ;) -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
Ok so then I propose we use two days or so creating a new default background unless Nuno replies today. I mean we base if off this one or something... On Saturday 21 June 2014 07.06.54 Andrew Lake wrote: Just for clarity I'm only proposing the blurred version for the login, splash and lockscreen. The normal, non-blurred version for actual desktop - nuno's wallpaper - is untouched and I assumed that one, or a finished version of it, would be default. Whatever ends up as the default, I'd propose a blurred version of that for the login, splash and lockscreen. I'd be totally fine if Nuno wanted to revamp it altogether, or if we pick something else as default. That screenshot I shared was just some nice wallpaper I took from deviantart. If we wanted to use that one we'd need to contact the author. I'll commit this for the login, splash and lockscreen for the time being and gen up a new one - a couple minutes of effort - if we pick a different default. Much respect, Andrew On Jun 21, 2014 3:52 AM, Jens j...@ohyran.se wrote: I am +1 about blurring the login AND as for the wallpaper: I've talked to Nuno about it and there is some Mggrmmrl going on there since he has fallen out of love with it and we still need him to send us the proper SVG's off it so we can do several different resolutions of it. If Andrews wallpaper is the new default (assuming its homemade... Andrew?) or whatever it is we should get it sorted asap since we need to use it as the background for the login and it would be nice to put this issue to rest. If Andrews image isn't homebrewed I will hound Nuno some more to get it sent to me so we can just get that bit off our collective chests /Jens (post-midsummer, insanely tired) On Saturday 21 June 2014 12.45.59 Marco Martin wrote: On Saturday 21 June 2014 00:25:35 Andrew Lake wrote: Hello all, With the sharpness of the default background image in the login, splash and lockscreen, both the foreground and background appear to be in focus - causing a slightly uncomfortable lack of depth. Things seem to look better with a defocused and slightly dimmed background - the foreground appears sharp and in-focus relative to the background and the fade-to-desktop effect with the default wallpaper has the pleasant visual side effect of appearing to bring the desktop into focus. Before I could get a screenshot my local neon install kinda flaked out. So I've provided a link to the defocused and dimmed background image. I'm hoping someone can try it out locally before I commit. It replaces the background.png file in lookandfeel/contents/components/artwork and lookandfeel/contents/splash/images. (Also I'd be fine if the same thing were accomplished programmatically instead.) New background file: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/06/21/background.png Could someone try this out when you get a chance? I'll commit if there are no objections. ok, so this goes on login, splash and lockscreen, while the normal background is still in focus? sounds good to me btw just to be sure, this is going to be the final default background? (at some point i understood it could have been this one http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pt8ssY4qgCQ/U3oNfW1csmI/MsA/LQvL-FvMiVQ/ s1 600/loving+it.png= since the desktop default icon seems to have a variant of it ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Jens j...@ohyran.se wrote: Ok so then I propose we use two days or so creating a new default background unless Nuno replies today. I mean we base if off this one or something... On Saturday 21 June 2014 07.06.54 Andrew Lake wrote: Just for clarity I'm only proposing the blurred version for the login, splash and lockscreen. The normal, non-blurred version for actual desktop - nuno's wallpaper - is untouched and I assumed that one, or a finished version of it, would be default. Whatever ends up as the default, I'd propose a blurred version of that for the login, splash and lockscreen. I'd be totally fine if Nuno wanted to revamp it altogether, or if we pick something else as default. That screenshot I shared was just some nice wallpaper I took from deviantart. If we wanted to use that one we'd need to contact the author. I'll commit this for the login, splash and lockscreen for the time being and gen up a new one - a couple minutes of effort - if we pick a different default. Much respect, Andrew On Jun 21, 2014 3:52 AM, Jens j...@ohyran.se wrote: I am +1 about blurring the login AND as for the wallpaper: I've talked to Nuno about it and there is some Mggrmmrl going on there since he has fallen out of love with it and we still need him to send us the proper SVG's off it so we can do several different resolutions of it. If Andrews wallpaper is the new default (assuming its homemade... Andrew?) or whatever it is we should get it sorted asap since we need to use it as the background for the login and it would be nice to put this issue to rest. If Andrews image isn't homebrewed I will hound Nuno some more to get it sent to me so we can just get that bit off our collective chests /Jens (post-midsummer, insanely tired) On Saturday 21 June 2014 12.45.59 Marco Martin wrote: On Saturday 21 June 2014 00:25:35 Andrew Lake wrote: Hello all, With the sharpness of the default background image in the login, splash and lockscreen, both the foreground and background appear to be in focus - causing a slightly uncomfortable lack of depth. Things seem to look better with a defocused and slightly dimmed background - the foreground appears sharp and in-focus relative to the background and the fade-to-desktop effect with the default wallpaper has the pleasant visual side effect of appearing to bring the desktop into focus. Before I could get a screenshot my local neon install kinda flaked out. So I've provided a link to the defocused and dimmed background image. I'm hoping someone can try it out locally before I commit. It replaces the background.png file in lookandfeel/contents/components/artwork and lookandfeel/contents/splash/images. (Also I'd be fine if the same thing were accomplished programmatically instead.) New background file: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/06/21/background.png Could someone try this out when you get a chance? I'll commit if there are no objections. ok, so this goes on login, splash and lockscreen, while the normal background is still in focus? sounds good to me btw just to be sure, this is going to be the final default background? (at some point i understood it could have been this one http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pt8ssY4qgCQ/U3oNfW1csmI/MsA/LQvL-FvMiVQ/ s1 600/loving+it.png= since the desktop default icon seems to have a variant of it ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel If i read this correctly: - Blurred version for login - Non blurred version when logged in That makes me think.. Would it be technically possible to just use a blur filter for the login part (it's in QML right? then you can use the QtGraphicalEffects to blur) and then decrease the blur to 0 when logging in? That would look really sweet i think :) On the other hand, this probably only works neatly when the background of the user is also used as login background... ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Mark Gaiser mark...@gmail.com wrote: That makes me think.. Would it be technically possible to just use a blur filter for the login part (it's in QML right? then you can use the QtGraphicalEffects to blur) and then decrease the blur to 0 when logging in? That would look really sweet i think :) Quoting Marco from an hour ago: I think that's something that we want to try *eventually* but so far, the status of the interaction of QtQuick and X11 drivers is so bad that I wouldn't dare attempt this for now. Maybe after few releases when everything has been debugged and hammered down enough on drivers and qt side, we can give it a try ;) Cheers -- Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Background for login, splash, and lockscreen
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Martin Klapetek martin.klape...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Mark Gaiser mark...@gmail.com wrote: That makes me think.. Would it be technically possible to just use a blur filter for the login part (it's in QML right? then you can use the QtGraphicalEffects to blur) and then decrease the blur to 0 when logging in? That would look really sweet i think :) Quoting Marco from an hour ago: I think that's something that we want to try *eventually* but so far, the status of the interaction of QtQuick and X11 drivers is so bad that I wouldn't dare attempt this for now. Maybe after few releases when everything has been debugged and hammered down enough on drivers and qt side, we can give it a try ;) Cheers I completely missed that from Marco. Thank you :) ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
