Re: Kickoff w/Breadcrumbs in QML
On Friday, December 23, 2011 13:15:22 Xavier Sythe wrote: Just to confirm, does the QML Kickoff still have keyboard navigation? I think that it would be a good idea to not only add support for a mouse's back button, but also the standard backspace key on keyboards. This would enable full navigation of Kickoff solely with the keyboard, a feature which, until now, has been limited by the lack of a back button shortcut. yes, it should be fully keyboard navigable. and btw, i'm tired of these discussions of the back button. if they are continuing in a week from now without being accompanied by patches to Martin's QML branch, i will start moderating the list to weed them out. :) As for the UI back button, Novell's usability team did determine that it was needed. Who are we, as non-UX professionals, to argue against this decision? *sigh* so, while not a UX professional in terms of having a degree behind it, i have what i like to think of as a reasonable amount of experience in these matters. i could point out a few things in Active, for instance, that would be different had i not weighed in, with reasons provided, with adjustments that went against the original UX pro's recommendations which, upon user testing, turned out better. i'm not a noob, and there are others here with increasing skills in this area as well. furthermore, this study was done some years ago. these trends shift (see the impact the web has had on UIs in general in the last 5-8 years, or mobile in the last 2-3). and there is often more than one good answer. while i love research and reallye njoy working with UX people, i also dislike the concept that they are untouchable high priests of the UI. in fact, i often find UX people have a blind spot for aesthetics and an emphasis on the theoretical over the practical. so ... everything with moderation. included in Plasma by default. Available from KDE-Look, certainly, but KDE3's days were long ago. we have people asking for it, and it's a feature we can add easily enough. -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Kickoff w/Breadcrumbs in QML
Just to confirm, does the QML Kickoff still have keyboard navigation? I think that it would be a good idea to not only add support for a mouse's back button, but also the standard backspace key on keyboards. This would enable full navigation of Kickoff solely with the keyboard, a feature which, until now, has been limited by the lack of a back button shortcut. As for the UI back button, Novell's usability team did determine that it was needed. Who are we, as non-UX professionals, to argue against this decision? And, as for the terminology used for the classic, KDE3-style panel, I believe that classic would be the best term, NOT KDE3. As well, I don't see much of a use case for the classic panel being included in Plasma by default. Available from KDE-Look, certainly, but KDE3's days were long ago. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Re: Kickoff w/Breadcrumbs in QML
On Friday 23 December 2011 13:15:22 Xavier Sythe wrote: Just to confirm, does the QML Kickoff still have keyboard navigation? I think that it would be a good idea to not only add support for a mouse's back button, but also the standard backspace key on keyboards. This would enable full navigation of Kickoff solely with the keyboard, a feature which, until now, has been limited by the lack of a back button shortcut. It's something I still have to work on. Primitive navigation (up/down) in the list is working, everything else not yet. If placed in the panel it's not working at all. Adding these things is rather simple once I figured out where I have to add the keyboard handling, so that QML plays nice :-) As for the UI back button, Novell's usability team did determine that it was needed. Who are we, as non-UX professionals, to argue against this decision? Do you have a link to the study? I tried to find it, but could only find the presentations at Akademy and FOSDEM which did not contain the reasons for the design, but just the results compared to other launchers. And, as for the terminology used for the classic, KDE3-style panel, I believe that classic would be the best term, NOT KDE3. As well, I don't see much of a use case for the classic panel being included in Plasma by default. Available from KDE-Look, certainly, but KDE3's days were long ago. Even classic I find sub-optimal. It's like next generation just the other way around. Imagine we have a new launcher next year. Then we would have to rename Kickoff to classic, but how to call the classic one. Really classic, old classic? Nevertheless: still better than KDE 3 ;-) Cheers Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
