Re: Regressions in Plasma 5
Is there some central overview of the screpped and to-be-restored functionality lost in Plasma 5? If it's on bugzilla and marked as confirmed, it means we're going to do it. If it's on bugzilla and marked as invalid/wontfix it means we're not going to do it If it's on bugzilla and marked as unconfirmed, then we collectively suck. David ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Regressions in Plasma 5
Hi, first of all, things like these belong directly into https://bugs.kde.org instead of on the ML because here things like that tend to be forgotten under the pile of mails that arrive daily. - Icon-only task manager has no option to open new instances via middle click. Shift-click has been just implemented, though There's been a bit of discussion about what middle click should to, it has been agreed iirc that middle click will close the application to be consistent with all the other tabs (browsers, file manager, ...). Shift+Click will be the new launch new instance shortcut. There's also a bit of investigation going on to enable keyboard shortcuts such as Meta+1 for the first item in tray, Meta+2 for the second, etc. - No simple launcher plasmoid for one application. do i really have to make a directory with a .desktop file and use a directory-view workspace for this? (Scratched my own itch and created a to-be-released steam plasmoid for my usecase!) There is the icon plasmoid? Just drag an application onto the desktop and it will create a simple single icon for it. Cheers, Kai Uwe ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Regressions in Plasma 5
On Friday 07 November 2014 13:05:25 David Edmundson wrote: If it's on bugzilla and marked as unconfirmed, then we collectively suck. And most important (just as a general reminder even tough that's not the case now), if is *not* on bugzilla, it's going to be forgotten, so always make sure to report there the issues (other channels such as irc and mailinglists do a terrible job at issue tracking) -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Regressions in Plasma 5
2014-11-07 13:05 GMT+01:00 David Edmundson da...@davidedmundson.co.uk: If it's on bugzilla and marked as confirmed, it means we're going to do it. If it's on bugzilla and marked as invalid/wontfix it means we're not going to do it If it's on bugzilla and marked as unconfirmed, then we collectively suck. hmm, if that’s the case, the widget porters should have filed those when releasing their ports. nobody knows better than them what they left out, and now it’s up to the users to find and report them :/ other stuff is simply a design question: per-activity settings were something implemented per individual KCM. are they being centralized or are they simply gone? people who know such things could post them in e.g. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340652 to make us suck less. 2014-11-07 13:24 GMT+01:00 Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com: And most important (just as a general reminder even tough that's not the case now), if is *not* on bugzilla, it's going to be forgotten, so always make sure to report there the issues (other channels such as irc and mailinglists do a terrible job at issue tracking) 2014-11-07 13:21 GMT+01:00 Kai Uwe Broulik k...@privat.broulik.de: first of all, things like these belong directly into https://bugs.kde.org instead of on the ML because here things like that tend to be forgotten under the pile of mails that arrive daily. people, seriously? you might notice that i posted a bugzilla link for everything but one item. why do you feel the need to tell *me* (who obviously has done his homework) that knee-jerk response even if it doesn’t apply to me? Icon-only task manager has no option to open new instances via middle click. Shift-click has been just implemented, though There's been a bit of discussion about what middle click should to, it has been agreed iirc that middle click will close the application to be consistent with all the other tabs (browsers, file manager, ...). Shift+Click will be the new launch new instance shortcut. There's also a bit of investigation going on to enable keyboard shortcuts such as Meta+1 for the first item in tray, Meta+2 for the second, etc. yeah. when i tried it, it wasn’t implemented, so naturally i yearned for the thing i was used to: middle click. shift-click is more consistent, but i use the task bar more often to start new instances than to close them. well, i’ll have to live with having to use two hands for that now. No simple launcher plasmoid for one application. There is the icon plasmoid? Just drag an application onto the desktop and it will create a simple single icon for it. oh! so intuitive for everyone but people who spent too much time with the taskbar to try new things (this isn’t meant sarcastically, i really like it ☺) i bet i’d have discovered that if it wasn’t KDE but something i don’t use daily Best, Philipp ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Regressions in Plasma 5
On 11/07/2014 01:38 PM, Philipp A. wrote: people, seriously? you might notice that i posted a bugzilla link for everything but one item. why do you feel the need to tell /me/ (who obviously has done his homework) that knee-jerk response even if it doesn’t apply to me? No, you misunderstand - the reason you're getting a negative response here is in part *because* you're raising things on the ML that have already been discussed on the bug tracker, which (a) means that it's a retread for some of the people involved, which can be annoying and (b) makes some people feel like you're ignoring those discussions and disrespecting the opinions raised in them and trying to get your way via another venue. Now ... that's not always a bad thing, some situations do call for persistence and escalating things to a different venue. Ruffled feathers side, good things sometimes come out of it. But it means having to expect that kind of pushback. This is a very ordinary push-pull interaction, so nobody should get too heated here please. yeah. when i tried it, it wasn’t implemented, so naturally i yearned for the thing i was used to: middle click. shift-click is more consistent, but i use the task bar more often to start new instances than to close them. I made the same argument in the discussion: [Monday, November 03, 2014] [02:02:38 PM] Sho_ Here's the thing, based on the earlier convo I was going to put new instances on Shift-Click and Close on middle-click (to match browser tab bars). But middle-click is a lot more convenient than shift-click, and while close has other ways to accomplish it (window button, keyboard shortcut), starting new instances doesn't really. So maybe the convenient middle-click and starting new instances should go together after all ... [Monday, November 03, 2014] [02:02:51 PM] Sho_ But if we use middle-click for close elsewhere it's still inconsistent of course So I'm receptive to the argument, and still mulling it. I implemented Shift-Click for now because it's non-conflicted and could be done independently of how middle-click may or may not be treated in the future. oh! so intuitive for everyone but people who spent too much time with the taskbar to try new things (this isn’t meant sarcastically, i really like it ☺) Note that if you use the Application Menu (Kicker) plasmoid as your launcher menu, the context menu for apps in there also has an Add to Desktop action (which is smart enough to spawn an Icon plasmoid on Desktop, and do a symlink on Folder). Cheers, Eike ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Regressions in Plasma 5
hmm, if that’s the case, the widget porters should have filed those when releasing their ports. Not really, when implementing a new plasmoid version (most of the time, it is mostly about rewriting than porting), you don't actually know every little thing that the old one does. Not even if you are the one who originally developed it since other people added features, and all that happened 5+ years ago. So, yes, it is up to the users to realize what is missing for them, and report. Cheers, Ivan -- KDE, ivan.cukic at kde.org, http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/ gpg key id: 850B6F76, keyserver.pgp.com ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Regressions in Plasma 5
2014-11-07 14:04 GMT+01:00 Ivan Čukić ivan.cu...@kde.org: Not really, when implementing a new plasmoid version (most of the time, it is mostly about rewriting than porting), you don't actually know every little thing that the old one does. good point. i thought that complex stuff like the taskbar is analyzed before reimplementing/porting it. 2014-11-07 13:59 GMT+01:00 Eike Hein h...@kde.org: you're raising things on the ML that have already been discussed on the bug tracker, which […] makes some people feel like you're ignoring those discussions and disrespecting the opinions raised in them and trying to get your way via another venue. that was not at all my intention :| Now ... that's not always a bad thing, some situations do call for persistence and escalating things to a different venue. Ruffled feathers side, good things sometimes come out of it. This is a very ordinary push-pull interaction, so nobody should get too heated here please. i’m calm, and thanks for explaining why people did this! my intention was based on the assumption that there’s some kind of porting plan, an analysis of what to port with which features, or the porters having this plan at least in their heads. yeah. when i tried it, it wasn’t implemented, so naturally i yearned for the thing i was used to: middle click. shift-click is more consistent, but i use the task bar more often to start new instances than to close them. I made the same argument in the discussion […] so I'm receptive to the argument, and still mulling it. I implemented Shift-Click for now because it's non-conflicted and could be done independently of how middle-click may or may not be treated in the future. maybe simply use a setting just like in the old icon tasks plasmoid. oh! so intuitive for everyone but people who spent too much time with the taskbar to try new things (this isn’t meant sarcastically, i really like it ☺) Note that if you use the Application Menu (Kicker) plasmoid as your launcher menu, the context menu for apps in there also has an Add to Desktop action (which is smart enough to spawn an Icon plasmoid on Desktop, and do a symlink on Folder). maybe we could add some more discoverability, though. android and web apps often have a small guide popups explaining features like this: [image: https://github.com/amlcurran/ShowcaseView] https://github.com/amlcurran/ShowcaseView × ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
