Re: netbook irc meeting
On Monday 21 September 2009, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On September 21, 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > > altering the contentsmargins of the applets to put them inside the > > standard background of the applet if there is one, otherwise draw a > > little background for its own > > that should work with any well behaved applet (which would be the > overwhelming majority at this point i believe). all applets with standard background, most of the ones without background (notes out of the box, then i fixed analog clock), that are really rare, btw > and yes, putting the handle as a child of the applet marked as "stack > under" really seems to be a good way to do this. basically done. title is always shown, buttons on mouse over, will have to be another thing that change automatically when the input method becomes a touchscreen now dragging the title drags the view around. i thinkn is the most intuitive behaviour, if it would relayout and drag the applets it could trigger too many accidental messing around i think -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: netbook irc meeting
On Monday 21 September 2009, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On September 21, 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > > > > - i would swap current window control and the search field > > > > > > swap position you mean? if so, why? > > > > just to have the close window button in the same position in upper right > > corner as normal windows, > > ah, yes, that's important. > > > but i don't tink is a really important thing, and > > since the present windows is triggered at the upper left corner it could > > make sense to leave the button that triggers the same effect near to it > > those two things (close window and show windows) could be separate? i think a single applet is the best way, it makes a single "tiny titlebar" concept maybe keeping the trigger corner for the effect at left and the applet at right won't be terrible... > a "tabbed browser" approach might also work where each running app appears > as a tab entry at the top next to newspaper and search; but then we run > into the usual task bar space issues. hm.. no, pretend i never said that ;) > > > > > - connected to the ability to have multiple "pages" (just tought > > > > about it now) a button after activitybar that creates a new newspaper > > > > activity > > > > > > this could also be in the newspaper page itself to save space in the > > > activitybar? > > > > in the toolbox maybe? > > makes sense. were also going to want to do a custom toolbox eventually i > think. the current one is functional but doesn't really work with the > layout. yeah, i think it would make sense a button that opens in a tiny horizontal strip always in the opposite position from the panel. kinda low urgency, i think will be in 4.4 if there will be time, but if it's going to be 4.5 not huge deal > > > i don't think a separate applet for this is needed at all now, tbh. and > > > if it's always in the panel, then we don't need the separate icon in > > > the panel either. just focus the line edit when switching to it. > > > > so leave just the search field in the middle of the sal? (and focus it as > > soon as the sal containment is activated) > > i think so. that's easy and clean. > > > > * widgets shouldn't move around whether the handle is visible or not > > > > shouldn't be possible to move the widgets with the handles? hmm > > ah, yes. what i meant is that the handles should make the widgets "jiggle > around" Inside the layout (like the notifications icon in the systray used > to do to the panel) -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: netbook irc meeting
On September 21, 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > > > - i would swap current window control and the search field > > > > swap position you mean? if so, why? > > just to have the close window button in the same position in upper right > corner as normal windows, ah, yes, that's important. > but i don't tink is a really important thing, and > since the present windows is triggered at the upper left corner it could > make sense to leave the button that triggers the same effect near to it those two things (close window and show windows) could be separate? a "tabbed browser" approach might also work where each running app appears as a tab entry at the top next to newspaper and search; but then we run into the usual task bar space issues. hm.. no, pretend i never said that ;) > > > - connected to the ability to have multiple "pages" (just tought > > > about it now) a button after activitybar that creates a new newspaper > > > activity > > > > this could also be in the newspaper page itself to save space in the > > activitybar? > > in the toolbox maybe? makes sense. were also going to want to do a custom toolbox eventually i think. the current one is functional but doesn't really work with the layout. > > i don't think a separate applet for this is needed at all now, tbh. and > > if it's always in the panel, then we don't need the separate icon in the > > panel either. just focus the line edit when switching to it. > > so leave just the search field in the middle of the sal? (and focus it as > soon as the sal containment is activated) i think so. that's easy and clean. > > * widgets shouldn't move around whether the handle is visible or not > > shouldn't be possible to move the widgets with the handles? hmm ah, yes. what i meant is that the handles should make the widgets "jiggle around" Inside the layout (like the notifications icon in the systray used to do to the panel) -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: netbook irc meeting
On September 21, 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > altering the contentsmargins of the applets to put them inside the standard > background of the applet if there is one, otherwise draw a little > background for its own that should work with any well behaved applet (which would be the overwhelming majority at this point i believe). and yes, putting the handle as a child of the applet marked as "stack under" really seems to be a good way to do this. -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: netbook irc meeting
On Monday 21 September 2009, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > * widgets shouldn't move around whether the handle is visible or not > > * should hide when not hovered or selected? perhaps the handles can always > be there and only the control buttons fade in when a widget is hovered? > interesting to see how http://www.google.com/ig does it, too. idea for the applet handles: altering the contentsmargins of the applets to put them inside the standard background of the applet if there is one, otherwise draw a little background for its own wonder if it would be reliable enough but would be quite pretty -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: netbook irc meeting
On Monday 21 September 2009, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On September 20, 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > > On Sunday 20 September 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > > > On Thursday 17 September 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > since i want to do the netbook shell as good as possible, i'm > > > > interested to hear opinions and directions from you guys =D > > > > > > > > i would like to have a little irc meeting about it, to discuss some > > > > of the issues there still are in the current implementation, > > > > possible topics are: -point of the situation, what actually are the > > > > issues :) -integration with the system, like with kwin, and how to > > > > start a netbook session > > > > -default applets layout, what to put in the containments > > > > -look and feel: how should actually look from a designe pov > > > > -priorities: what is really important for 4.4, what can be 4.5 > > > > > > > > more implementation details, not really metting topics: > > > > -how to loadthe default layout: hardcode/vs default config fie/vs > > > > scripting -what are the ugly spots in the code and things like that > > > > > > > > could be done? what do you think? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Marco Martin > > > > > > in the end being aaron and nuno-less there wasn't much going on, > > > however me and arthur chatted a bit about the various parts for a bit, > > > here is the unfiltered log that can at least make a recap of the topics > > > if we can make a "good one" :) > > > > little synopsys, topics were mostly what we more urgently need for 4.4: > > *Panel: > > -default applets: now there are current window control, activitybar, > > spacer, systray, search field for sal > > search field probably not needed now? (see below) > > (and you're missing clock there, no?) > > also, in systray there is: battery, networking, .. ? yes, the clock of course and the systray would have battery, devicenotifier and networkmanager (when ready) in it > > > - i would swap current window control and the search field > > swap position you mean? if so, why? just to have the close window button in the same position in upper right corner as normal windows, but i don't tink is a really important thing, and since the present windows is triggered at the upper left corner it could make sense to leave the button that triggers the same effect near to it > > - connected to the ability to have multiple "pages" (just tought about > > it now) a button after activitybar that creates a new newspaper activity > > this could also be in the newspaper page itself to save space in the > activitybar? in the toolbox maybe? > > - other thing not touched there but to be decided: panel autohide or > > not? > > i like the current behaviour for the default.. > > > - search field for sal: since the sal has a search field by itself i > > would do: > > -make it no longer a popupapplet so i can access the dialog geometry > > -make the dialog be exactly superimposed to the sal internel search > > field to make it feel they are the "same thing" > > i don't think a separate applet for this is needed at all now, tbh. and if > it's always in the panel, then we don't need the separate icon in the panel > either. just focus the line edit when switching to it. so leave just the search field in the middle of the sal? (and focus it as soon as the sal containment is activated) > > *Newspaper > > -titles: on mouse over like applet handles or always there? (applet > > handles like would be waay simpler code, less clobbering with layouts) > > why would applet handles like be simpler? i'd think that always-there > handles would be easier. perhaps if i make the handles childs of the applet, yeah > what are the design goals for the handles? to do some things: -button to close the applet, -button to launch the associated application (done exactly to be there in the first place :)) -move the applet also when not in configure mode and plasma is not locked? -a title (but perhaps just the applet name is not explanatory enough?) > * provide access to close, maximize and configure. do we want a way to > collapse an applet too? that's probably not strictly necessary. > > * finger friendly? (this may make it significantly harder to keep the > spacing nice; perhaps there could be a size adjustment based on whether > it's on a touch screen or not?) yes, and for the panel behaviour and size too (InputMethodConstraintEvent? :p) > * widgets shouldn't move around whether the handle is visible or not shouldn't be possible to move the widgets with the handles? hmm > * should hide when not hovered or selected? perhaps the handles can always > be there and only the control buttons fade in when a widget is hovered? > interesting to see how http://www.google.com/ig does it, too. yes, could be nice. igoogle has also a maximize button that resize the applet to be mostly full screen..., perhaps is what we have with the associated applications? Cheers, Marco
Re: netbook irc meeting
On September 20, 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > On Sunday 20 September 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > > On Thursday 17 September 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > since i want to do the netbook shell as good as possible, i'm > > > interested to hear opinions and directions from you guys =D > > > > > > i would like to have a little irc meeting about it, to discuss some of > > > the issues there still are in the current implementation, possible > > > topics are: -point of the situation, what actually are the issues :) > > > -integration with the system, like with kwin, and how to start a > > > netbook session > > > -default applets layout, what to put in the containments > > > -look and feel: how should actually look from a designe pov > > > -priorities: what is really important for 4.4, what can be 4.5 > > > > > > more implementation details, not really metting topics: > > > -how to loadthe default layout: hardcode/vs default config fie/vs > > > scripting -what are the ugly spots in the code and things like that > > > > > > could be done? what do you think? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Marco Martin > > > > in the end being aaron and nuno-less there wasn't much going on, however > > me and arthur chatted a bit about the various parts for a bit, here is > > the unfiltered log that can at least make a recap of the topics if we can > > make a "good one" :) > > little synopsys, topics were mostly what we more urgently need for 4.4: > *Panel: > -default applets: now there are current window control, activitybar, > spacer, systray, search field for sal search field probably not needed now? (see below) (and you're missing clock there, no?) also, in systray there is: battery, networking, .. ? > - i would swap current window control and the search field swap position you mean? if so, why? > - connected to the ability to have multiple "pages" (just tought about it > now) a button after activitybar that creates a new newspaper activity this could also be in the newspaper page itself to save space in the activitybar? > - other thing not touched there but to be decided: panel autohide or not? i like the current behaviour for the default.. > - search field for sal: since the sal has a search field by itself i > would do: > -make it no longer a popupapplet so i can access the dialog geometry > -make the dialog be exactly superimposed to the sal internel search > field to make it feel they are the "same thing" i don't think a separate applet for this is needed at all now, tbh. and if it's always in the panel, then we don't need the separate icon in the panel either. just focus the line edit when switching to it. > *Newspaper > -titles: on mouse over like applet handles or always there? (applet > handles like would be waay simpler code, less clobbering with layouts) why would applet handles like be simpler? i'd think that always-there handles would be easier. what are the design goals for the handles? * provide access to close, maximize and configure. do we want a way to collapse an applet too? that's probably not strictly necessary. * finger friendly? (this may make it significantly harder to keep the spacing nice; perhaps there could be a size adjustment based on whether it's on a touch screen or not?) * widgets shouldn't move around whether the handle is visible or not * should hide when not hovered or selected? perhaps the handles can always be there and only the control buttons fade in when a widget is hovered? interesting to see how http://www.google.com/ig does it, too. -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: netbook irc meeting
On September 20, 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > uh, forgotten quite important topic: > we agreed that as the default stuff in the newspaper could be good news, > weather, opendesktop and opendesktop knowledgebase > all of them are in kdeplasma-addons: is a acceptable dependency? :/ not really; they can be added to the layout if they exist, though. looking at those choices, it would seem that the main layout is for checking the weather and using opendesktop. is that what people will do with this on a netbook? it seems that the idea is "current events information" (e.g. weather) and "social networking" (e.g. open desktop). perhaps the left column can be one and the right column the other, an perhaps we can have something more than just weather for current events? identi.ca might be a nice add to the social networking side and some RSS feeds might be a nice add to the current events column? -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: netbook irc meeting
On Sunday 20 September 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > On Sunday 20 September 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > > On Thursday 17 September 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > since i want to do the netbook shell as good as possible, i'm > > > interested to hear opinions and directions from you guys =D > > > > > > i would like to have a little irc meeting about it, to discuss some of > > > the issues there still are in the current implementation, possible > > > topics are: -point of the situation, what actually are the issues :) > > > -integration with the system, like with kwin, and how to start a > > > netbook session > > > -default applets layout, what to put in the containments > > > -look and feel: how should actually look from a designe pov > > > -priorities: what is really important for 4.4, what can be 4.5 > > > > > > more implementation details, not really metting topics: > > > -how to loadthe default layout: hardcode/vs default config fie/vs > > > scripting -what are the ugly spots in the code and things like that > > > > > > could be done? what do you think? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Marco Martin > > > > in the end being aaron and nuno-less there wasn't much going on, however > > me and arthur chatted a bit about the various parts for a bit, here is > > the unfiltered log that can at least make a recap of the topics if we can > > make a "good one" :) > > little synopsys, topics were mostly what we more urgently need for 4.4: > *Panel: > -default applets: now there are current window control, activitybar, > spacer, systray, search field for sal > - i would swap current window control and the search field > - connected to the ability to have multiple "pages" (just tought about it > now) a button after activitybar that creates a new newspaper activity > - other thing not touched there but to be decided: panel autohide or not? > - search field for sal: since the sal has a search field by itself i > would do: > -make it no longer a popupapplet so i can access the dialog geometry > -make the dialog be exactly superimposed to the sal internel search > field to make it feel they are the "same thing" > > *Newspaper > -titles: on mouse over like applet handles or always there? (applet > handles like would be waay simpler code, less clobbering with layouts) uh, forgotten quite important topic: we agreed that as the default stuff in the newspaper could be good news, weather, opendesktop and opendesktop knowledgebase all of them are in kdeplasma-addons: is a acceptable dependency? :/ > > [19:04] notmart, MoRpHeUz me and Savago are talking about a > > personal layout .. using akonadi(akonadi dataengine maybe) > > [19:04] tumaix, just FISL. But it was great. Meet with lots of > > former co-workers there. :-) > > [19:05] igorto, MoRpHeUz: the social activity thing? > > [19:05] igorto: ? > > [19:05] notmart: I don't think it's the same thing hehe > > [19:05] ah, ok > > [19:06] notmart: I was thinking more about OCS and Silk, but > > yeah, for other "contact" stuff we should use akonadi for sure > > [19:06] notmart, no ... a layout for contacts(vcard), notes, > > todos, with google synchronization and these things > > [19:06] MoRpHeUz: that's looks like just a default applets > > layout, really > > [19:06] yep. The good thing is that all this stuff is already > > done by akonadi (protocols, data formats, etc). > > [19:06] notmart: I really don't care about the layout of the > > stuffcan be newspaper, default applets layout, etc... > > [19:07] for silk, i wanted to do a mini-selkie plasmoid that > > opens the full selkie.. > > [19:07] notmart: I'm more interested about the *contents* of > > the thing hehe > > [19:07] MoRpHeUz, what were you planning for the *contents*? > > [19:07] MoRpHeUz: so the question becomes: do we already have > > all the plasmoids we need? > > [19:08] for default layout i was meaning, what sets of plasmoid > > should be loaded by default > > [19:08] notmart: that's one problem, I think that right now > > the number of "default plamoids" that we should have are growing, and > > that's why a separate activity would be needed > > [19:09] (imagine a scenario with 15 contact plasmoids) > > [19:09] Savago: something like what you said above, but not > > centered on akonadi stuff > > [19:09] something more like what moblin provides > > [19:09] (and open desktop widget) > > [19:09] MoRpHeUz: yes, but also keep in mind that having an > > awful load of stuff loaded by default makes the memory footprint pretty > > big [19:10] and if it is the user that adds stuff is ok, but > > there shouldn't be the impression that as default is really bloated > > [19:10] MoRpHeUz, I see. > > [19:10] * pinheiro nost sure i like a big page of plasmoids or several > > pages [19:11] we should also have a way to add/remove pages > > that possibly isn't the zui there.. > > [19:11] notmart: yep, I'm talking about the user adding stuff > > (after all, it's the users
Re: netbook irc meeting
On Sunday 20 September 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > On Thursday 17 September 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > > Hi all, > > since i want to do the netbook shell as good as possible, i'm interested > > to hear opinions and directions from you guys =D > > > > i would like to have a little irc meeting about it, to discuss some of > > the issues there still are in the current implementation, possible > > topics are: -point of the situation, what actually are the issues :) > > -integration with the system, like with kwin, and how to start a netbook > > session > > -default applets layout, what to put in the containments > > -look and feel: how should actually look from a designe pov > > -priorities: what is really important for 4.4, what can be 4.5 > > > > more implementation details, not really metting topics: > > -how to loadthe default layout: hardcode/vs default config fie/vs > > scripting -what are the ugly spots in the code and things like that > > > > could be done? what do you think? > > > > Cheers, > > Marco Martin > > in the end being aaron and nuno-less there wasn't much going on, however me > and arthur chatted a bit about the various parts for a bit, here is the > unfiltered log that can at least make a recap of the topics if we can make > a "good one" :) little synopsys, topics were mostly what we more urgently need for 4.4: *Panel: -default applets: now there are current window control, activitybar, spacer, systray, search field for sal - i would swap current window control and the search field - connected to the ability to have multiple "pages" (just tought about it now) a button after activitybar that creates a new newspaper activity - other thing not touched there but to be decided: panel autohide or not? - search field for sal: since the sal has a search field by itself i would do: -make it no longer a popupapplet so i can access the dialog geometry -make the dialog be exactly superimposed to the sal internel search field to make it feel they are the "same thing" *Newspaper -titles: on mouse over like applet handles or always there? (applet handles like would be waay simpler code, less clobbering with layouts) > [19:04] notmart, MoRpHeUz me and Savago are talking about a > personal layout .. using akonadi(akonadi dataengine maybe) > [19:04] tumaix, just FISL. But it was great. Meet with lots of > former co-workers there. :-) > [19:05] igorto, MoRpHeUz: the social activity thing? > [19:05] igorto: ? > [19:05] notmart: I don't think it's the same thing hehe > [19:05] ah, ok > [19:06] notmart: I was thinking more about OCS and Silk, but > yeah, for other "contact" stuff we should use akonadi for sure > [19:06] notmart, no ... a layout for contacts(vcard), notes, > todos, with google synchronization and these things > [19:06] MoRpHeUz: that's looks like just a default applets > layout, really > [19:06] yep. The good thing is that all this stuff is already done > by akonadi (protocols, data formats, etc). > [19:06] notmart: I really don't care about the layout of the > stuffcan be newspaper, default applets layout, etc... > [19:07] for silk, i wanted to do a mini-selkie plasmoid that > opens the full selkie.. > [19:07] notmart: I'm more interested about the *contents* of the > thing hehe > [19:07] MoRpHeUz, what were you planning for the *contents*? > [19:07] MoRpHeUz: so the question becomes: do we already have all > the plasmoids we need? > [19:08] for default layout i was meaning, what sets of plasmoid > should be loaded by default > [19:08] notmart: that's one problem, I think that right now the > number of "default plamoids" that we should have are growing, and that's > why a separate activity would be needed > [19:09] (imagine a scenario with 15 contact plasmoids) > [19:09] Savago: something like what you said above, but not > centered on akonadi stuff > [19:09] something more like what moblin provides > [19:09] (and open desktop widget) > [19:09] MoRpHeUz: yes, but also keep in mind that having an awful > load of stuff loaded by default makes the memory footprint pretty big > [19:10] and if it is the user that adds stuff is ok, but there > shouldn't be the impression that as default is really bloated > [19:10] MoRpHeUz, I see. > [19:10] * pinheiro nost sure i like a big page of plasmoids or several > pages [19:11] we should also have a way to add/remove pages that > possibly isn't the zui there.. > [19:11] notmart: yep, I'm talking about the user adding stuff > (after all, it's the users contacts) > [19:12] notmart: so, as pinheiro pointed out it's a matter of > having a big page of plasmoids or several pages... > [19:12] <-- fawek has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset > by peer)). > [19:12] notmart: maybe scrolingn trough pages is more > interesting than the zui here > [19:12] more phinger friendly > [19:13] what i'm more concerned for this meeting however, is to > really have clear in mind what is a must have fo
Re: netbook irc meeting
On Thursday 17 September 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > Hi all, > since i want to do the netbook shell as good as possible, i'm interested to > hear opinions and directions from you guys =D > > i would like to have a little irc meeting about it, to discuss some of the > issues there still are in the current implementation, possible topics are: > -point of the situation, what actually are the issues :) > -integration with the system, like with kwin, and how to start a netbook > session > -default applets layout, what to put in the containments > -look and feel: how should actually look from a designe pov > -priorities: what is really important for 4.4, what can be 4.5 > > more implementation details, not really metting topics: > -how to loadthe default layout: hardcode/vs default config fie/vs scripting > -what are the ugly spots in the code and things like that > > could be done? what do you think? > > Cheers, > Marco Martin in the end being aaron and nuno-less there wasn't much going on, however me and arthur chatted a bit about the various parts for a bit, here is the unfiltered log that can at least make a recap of the topics if we can make a "good one" :) [19:04] notmart, MoRpHeUz me and Savago are talking about a personal layout .. using akonadi(akonadi dataengine maybe) [19:04] tumaix, just FISL. But it was great. Meet with lots of former co-workers there. :-) [19:05] igorto, MoRpHeUz: the social activity thing? [19:05] igorto: ? [19:05] notmart: I don't think it's the same thing hehe [19:05] ah, ok [19:06] notmart: I was thinking more about OCS and Silk, but yeah, for other "contact" stuff we should use akonadi for sure [19:06] notmart, no ... a layout for contacts(vcard), notes, todos, with google synchronization and these things [19:06] MoRpHeUz: that's looks like just a default applets layout, really [19:06] yep. The good thing is that all this stuff is already done by akonadi (protocols, data formats, etc). [19:06] notmart: I really don't care about the layout of the stuffcan be newspaper, default applets layout, etc... [19:07] for silk, i wanted to do a mini-selkie plasmoid that opens the full selkie.. [19:07] notmart: I'm more interested about the *contents* of the thing hehe [19:07] MoRpHeUz, what were you planning for the *contents*? [19:07] MoRpHeUz: so the question becomes: do we already have all the plasmoids we need? [19:08] for default layout i was meaning, what sets of plasmoid should be loaded by default [19:08] notmart: that's one problem, I think that right now the number of "default plamoids" that we should have are growing, and that's why a separate activity would be needed [19:09] (imagine a scenario with 15 contact plasmoids) [19:09] Savago: something like what you said above, but not centered on akonadi stuff [19:09] something more like what moblin provides [19:09] (and open desktop widget) [19:09] MoRpHeUz: yes, but also keep in mind that having an awful load of stuff loaded by default makes the memory footprint pretty big [19:10] and if it is the user that adds stuff is ok, but there shouldn't be the impression that as default is really bloated [19:10] MoRpHeUz, I see. [19:10] * pinheiro nost sure i like a big page of plasmoids or several pages [19:11] we should also have a way to add/remove pages that possibly isn't the zui there.. [19:11] notmart: yep, I'm talking about the user adding stuff (after all, it's the users contacts) [19:12] notmart: so, as pinheiro pointed out it's a matter of having a big page of plasmoids or several pages... [19:12] <-- fawek has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). [19:12] notmart: maybe scrolingn trough pages is more interesting than the zui here [19:12] more phinger friendly [19:13] what i'm more concerned for this meeting however, is to really have clear in mind what is a must have for 4.4 and must be rushed in quickly :D [19:13] and as space manegemenat is simpler for the user [19:13] pinheiro: a single long page that scrolls? [19:14] notmart: no several pages [19:14] that you can push [19:14] slide [19:14] like desktops [19:14] <-- nhnFreespirit has left this server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). [19:15] notmart: well, for 4.4 I think that having what we currently have but really stable and a way to easily switch between netbook and desktop shells [19:15] it would be ok for the "first release" [19:15] * pinheiro agfreas [19:16] agreas [19:16] notmart: and then the social stuff for later, to really improve the user experience... [19:16] the sliding animation could be a problem since we aren't sure the pages on the scene are in the right order.. [19:16] * pinheiro off be back much later good luck guys [19:16] but i can think about several hacks to do that [19:17] MoRpHeUz: so let's start about what plasmoids we want in the panel in what order and in the newspaper by default? [19:17] notmart: ah, it would be nice to have
Re: netbook irc meeting
On September 18, 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > how many people could be able to do it in morning time utc? depends on what time in the morning. 10am UTC is 1am for me here, and even worse (3am) for people on the other side of the Americas, such as Artur. so it would either have to be early UTC (7am?) and Artur and I would have to be up and around late on a Friday evening or going back to evening makes more sense. -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: netbook irc meeting
On Friday 18 September 2009, Lucas Murray wrote: > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Marco Martin wrote: > > random proposal: > > sunday:17utc? > > (19 italy, 10 vancoucer, 14 recife) > > before? after? > > 1am Monday, Perth.au. =( yeah, damn timezones :( how many people could be able to do it in morning time utc? -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: netbook irc meeting
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Marco Martin wrote: > random proposal: > sunday:17utc? > (19 italy, 10 vancoucer, 14 recife) > before? after? 1am Monday, Perth.au. =( -- Lucas Murray :: http://www.undefinedfire.com GPG Fingerprint: 0B88 499E 3F5B 1405 D952 258A AD90 B4F5 90B6 3534 ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: netbook irc meeting
Am Donnerstag 17 September 2009 19:49:23 schrieb Marco Martin: > On Thursday 17 September 2009, Dario Freddi wrote: > > I'm interested, at least in attending, maybe I can be useful here and > > there, the netbook shell attracts me quite much :) Bonus points for any > > date after saturday to me > > random proposal: > sunday:17utc? > (19 italy, 10 vancoucer, 14 recife) > before? after? should be fine for me as well signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: netbook irc meeting
On Thursday 17 September 2009, Artur Souza (MoRpHeUz) wrote: > On Thursday 17 September 2009, 14:49 Marco Martin wrote: > > random proposal: > > sunday:17utc? > > (19 italy, 10 vancoucer, 14 recife) > > before? after? > > Seems good to me! Donuts for you for already calculating the right time in > the different time zones :P be thankful to libplasmaclock :p > Cheers! > > /me goes back to meeting > > -- > Artur Duque de Souza > openBossa > INdT - Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia > -- > Blog: http://blog.morpheuz.cc > PGP: 0xDBEEAAC3 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net > -- -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: netbook irc meeting
On September 17, 2009, Marco Martin wrote: > On Thursday 17 September 2009, Dario Freddi wrote: > > I'm interested, at least in attending, maybe I can be useful here and > > there, the netbook shell attracts me quite much :) Bonus points for any > > date after saturday to me > > random proposal: > sunday:17utc? > (19 italy, 10 vancoucer, 14 recife) > before? after? i'll do my best to be there. -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: netbook irc meeting
On Thursday 17 September 2009, 14:49 Marco Martin wrote: > random proposal: > sunday:17utc? > (19 italy, 10 vancoucer, 14 recife) > before? after? Seems good to me! Donuts for you for already calculating the right time in the different time zones :P Cheers! /me goes back to meeting -- Artur Duque de Souza openBossa INdT - Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia -- Blog: http://blog.morpheuz.cc PGP: 0xDBEEAAC3 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net -- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: netbook irc meeting
On Thursday 17 September 2009 19:49:23 Marco Martin wrote: > On Thursday 17 September 2009, Dario Freddi wrote: > > I'm interested, at least in attending, maybe I can be useful here and > > there, the netbook shell attracts me quite much :) Bonus points for any > > date after saturday to me > > random proposal: > sunday:17utc? > (19 italy, 10 vancoucer, 14 recife) > before? after? Should fit for me > > > On Thursday 17 September 2009 16:31:39 Marco Martin wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > since i want to do the netbook shell as good as possible, i'm > > > interested to hear opinions and directions from you guys =D > > > > > > i would like to have a little irc meeting about it, to discuss some of > > > the issues there still are in the current implementation, possible > > > topics are: -point of the situation, what actually are the issues :) > > > -integration with the system, like with kwin, and how to start a > > > netbook session > > > -default applets layout, what to put in the containments > > > -look and feel: how should actually look from a designe pov > > > -priorities: what is really important for 4.4, what can be 4.5 > > > > > > more implementation details, not really metting topics: > > > -how to loadthe default layout: hardcode/vs default config fie/vs > > > scripting -what are the ugly spots in the code and things like that > > > > > > could be done? what do you think? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Marco Martin > > > ___ > > > Plasma-devel mailing list > > > Plasma-devel@kde.org > > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel > -- --- Dario Freddi KDE Developer GPG Key Signature: 511A9A3B signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: netbook irc meeting
On Thursday 17 September 2009, Dario Freddi wrote: > I'm interested, at least in attending, maybe I can be useful here and > there, the netbook shell attracts me quite much :) Bonus points for any > date after saturday to me random proposal: sunday:17utc? (19 italy, 10 vancoucer, 14 recife) before? after? > On Thursday 17 September 2009 16:31:39 Marco Martin wrote: > > Hi all, > > since i want to do the netbook shell as good as possible, i'm interested > > to hear opinions and directions from you guys =D > > > > i would like to have a little irc meeting about it, to discuss some of > > the issues there still are in the current implementation, possible > > topics are: -point of the situation, what actually are the issues :) > > -integration with the system, like with kwin, and how to start a netbook > > session > > -default applets layout, what to put in the containments > > -look and feel: how should actually look from a designe pov > > -priorities: what is really important for 4.4, what can be 4.5 > > > > more implementation details, not really metting topics: > > -how to loadthe default layout: hardcode/vs default config fie/vs > > scripting -what are the ugly spots in the code and things like that > > > > could be done? what do you think? > > > > Cheers, > > Marco Martin > > ___ > > Plasma-devel mailing list > > Plasma-devel@kde.org > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: netbook irc meeting
I'm interested, at least in attending, maybe I can be useful here and there, the netbook shell attracts me quite much :) Bonus points for any date after saturday to me On Thursday 17 September 2009 16:31:39 Marco Martin wrote: > Hi all, > since i want to do the netbook shell as good as possible, i'm interested to > hear opinions and directions from you guys =D > > i would like to have a little irc meeting about it, to discuss some of the > issues there still are in the current implementation, possible topics are: > -point of the situation, what actually are the issues :) > -integration with the system, like with kwin, and how to start a netbook > session > -default applets layout, what to put in the containments > -look and feel: how should actually look from a designe pov > -priorities: what is really important for 4.4, what can be 4.5 > > more implementation details, not really metting topics: > -how to loadthe default layout: hardcode/vs default config fie/vs scripting > -what are the ugly spots in the code and things like that > > could be done? what do you think? > > Cheers, > Marco Martin > ___ > Plasma-devel mailing list > Plasma-devel@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel > -- --- Dario Freddi KDE Developer GPG Key Signature: 511A9A3B signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: netbook irc meeting
On Thursday 17 September 2009, 12:52 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On September 17, 2009, Nuno Pinheiro wrote: > > just say the day and hour and i will be there :) > > same here... +1...Bonus points if it's not today because I'm in a meeting for the whole day.. =( I'll also talk about plasma-netbook on Latinoware and I have some ideas to show off our stuff :) (like remote widgets between desktop and the netbook...or even an n900 ? ;) ) Cheers! -- Artur Duque de Souza openBossa INdT - Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia -- Blog: http://blog.morpheuz.cc PGP: 0xDBEEAAC3 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net -- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
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On September 17, 2009, Nuno Pinheiro wrote: > just say the day and hour and i will be there :) same here... -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: netbook irc meeting
A Quinta, 17 de Setembro de 2009 15:31:39 Marco Martin você escreveu: > Hi all, > since i want to do the netbook shell as good as possible, i'm interested to > hear opinions and directions from you guys =D > > i would like to have a little irc meeting about it, to discuss some of the > issues there still are in the current implementation, possible topics are: > -point of the situation, what actually are the issues :) > -integration with the system, like with kwin, and how to start a netbook > session > -default applets layout, what to put in the containments > -look and feel: how should actually look from a designe pov > -priorities: what is really important for 4.4, what can be 4.5 > > more implementation details, not really metting topics: > -how to loadthe default layout: hardcode/vs default config fie/vs scripting > -what are the ugly spots in the code and things like that > > could be done? what do you think? > > Cheers, > Marco Martin > ___ > Plasma-devel mailing list > Plasma-devel@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel > just say the day and hour and i will be there :) -- Oxygen coordinator ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
