Re: plasma wallpapers
On Monday 09 March 2015, kainz.a wrote: Hi plasma developers, I'm part of the VDG and do some artwork for the Breeze icon set. ... My question was: - Can I start a Wallpaper contest for the plasma team to have additional standard wallpapers in plasma 5.3. Hi, it would be cool, yes :) -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: plasma wallpapers
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Jonathan Riddell j...@jriddell.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 01:20:35PM +0100, Martin Klapetek wrote: However do you know how it is with property licenses when used as backgrounds? It varies by country, sensible countries make sure that photos of public buildings are not restricted by copyright. Both the UK and the US are sensible countries in this regard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama That is not true, for example Trafalgar Square or Parliament Square in London that are not private tourist photos _must_ have a property release before using it commercially. And there are many such buildings or landmarks in US and everywhere else too. Same goes with children or any person on photos, there you need model release (ie. the person's signature that his/her photo can be used for various purposes). Personality rights for people modelling is only a US concept, sensible countries have no such restrictions. That is also not true and it's more complicated. Basically, taking a picture on the public space/street should be safe, but as soon as the person (and especially children) are the main object of the photos, you do need to have a license to use those in a non-private way. All I'm saying is, better stay safe (licensing Golden Gate Bridge for non-private use is 2000$, getting sued could be very very very expensive). Cheers -- Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: plasma wallpapers
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Jonathan Riddell j...@jriddell.org wrote: You're mixing several unrelated laws here. Personality rights in the US applies to people who make a living from their celebrity. Privacy rights in the EU applies to helping protect the little children. There's some common law concepts in Scotland and elsewhere around photos of models and celebrities but it's very unlikely to apply to photos given away under the GPL at no cost and has no bearing on KDE's licence policy which is based only on the copyright owner. All I'm saying is that if we choose to distribute a picture of a person without any written consent from that person and if that person changes his/her mind at any time after we've released it, it could go bad as suddenly that person's face is on millions of computers and I guess it would be hard to explain to any legal body how did it end up there when the person is saying he/she does not/did not want to be there. I just think it doesn't seem worthy to get ourselves into potential problems like this. Stay safe. That is all. Cheers -- Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: plasma wallpapers
On Thursday 12 March 2015 14:29:11 Martin Klapetek wrote: All I'm saying is that if we choose to distribute a picture of a person without any written consent from that person and if that person changes his/her mind at any time after we've released it, it could go bad as suddenly that person's face is on millions of computers and I guess it would be hard to explain to any legal body how did it end up there when the person is saying he/she does not/did not want to be there. while in some places this may be true for landmarks as well, the worst case scenario I guess is indeed for the photo of people.. but given how wallpapers should look in general, a no humans policy for the selected photos could be sane anyways. -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: plasma wallpapers
thanks for the information. thats the reason that the plasma team should find the winner and not the community via rating. cheers Andreas Am 12.03.2015 13:46 schrieb Martin Klapetek martin.klape...@gmail.com: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Jonathan Riddell j...@jriddell.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 01:20:35PM +0100, Martin Klapetek wrote: However do you know how it is with property licenses when used as backgrounds? It varies by country, sensible countries make sure that photos of public buildings are not restricted by copyright. Both the UK and the US are sensible countries in this regard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama That is not true, for example Trafalgar Square or Parliament Square in London that are not private tourist photos _must_ have a property release before using it commercially. And there are many such buildings or landmarks in US and everywhere else too. Same goes with children or any person on photos, there you need model release (ie. the person's signature that his/her photo can be used for various purposes). Personality rights for people modelling is only a US concept, sensible countries have no such restrictions. That is also not true and it's more complicated. Basically, taking a picture on the public space/street should be safe, but as soon as the person (and especially children) are the main object of the photos, you do need to have a license to use those in a non-private way. All I'm saying is, better stay safe (licensing Golden Gate Bridge for non-private use is 2000$, getting sued could be very very very expensive). Cheers -- Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: plasma wallpapers
Well just as a suggestion can't we post something like please remember to check your local laws concerning official buildings and people and then IF someone hands over an image of an official building then we can ask them. I mean there's no point burning the house down to protect it from burglars is there? On Thursday, March 12, 2015 01:45:34 PM Martin Klapetek wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Jonathan Riddell j...@jriddell.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 01:20:35PM +0100, Martin Klapetek wrote: However do you know how it is with property licenses when used as backgrounds? It varies by country, sensible countries make sure that photos of public buildings are not restricted by copyright. Both the UK and the US are sensible countries in this regard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama That is not true, for example Trafalgar Square or Parliament Square in London that are not private tourist photos _must_ have a property release before using it commercially. And there are many such buildings or landmarks in US and everywhere else too. Same goes with children or any person on photos, there you need model release (ie. the person's signature that his/her photo can be used for various purposes). Personality rights for people modelling is only a US concept, sensible countries have no such restrictions. That is also not true and it's more complicated. Basically, taking a picture on the public space/street should be safe, but as soon as the person (and especially children) are the main object of the photos, you do need to have a license to use those in a non-private way. All I'm saying is, better stay safe (licensing Golden Gate Bridge for non-private use is 2000$, getting sued could be very very very expensive). Cheers ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: plasma wallpapers
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Jens Reuterberg j...@ohyran.se wrote: Well just as a suggestion can't we post something like please remember to check your local laws concerning official buildings and people and then IF someone hands over an image of an official building then we can ask them. I mean there's no point burning the house down to protect it from burglars is there? It gets complicated with KDE's international distribution though, one law not being valid in one country might be very valid in another country. But then again, I don't understand it enough to make educated claims, I'm just raising what I know as a photographer who actually tried to license some of his photos to a company. Cheers -- Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: plasma wallpapers
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 01:45:34PM +0100, Martin Klapetek wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Jonathan Riddell j...@jriddell.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 01:20:35PM +0100, Martin Klapetek wrote: A A However do you know how it is with property licenses when used as A A backgrounds? It varies by country, sensible countries make sure that photos of public buildings are not restricted by copyright.A Both the UK and the US are sensible countries in this regard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama That is not true, for example Trafalgar Square or Parliament Square in London that are not private tourist photos _must_ have a property release before using it commercially. And there are many such buildings or landmarks in US and everywhere else too. There seems to be some specific byelaws for Trafalgar Square and Parliament Square that restrict photography https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Trafalgar%20Square%20Byelaws%2025Jan2012_1.pdf in which case sure, just make sure there's no photos of these two sites in the competition if we want to keep Boris Johnston happy (personally I'd love to see him get upset). Same goes for the Atonium in Brussels or the Little Mermaid statue in Copenhagen where they don't have sensible laws regarding photos of buildings. US law is weird and mixed but there's no real restrictions and if wikipedia are happy to put photos of the golden gate bridge then I trust them to have done the research to know it's fine A A Same goes with children or any person on photos, A A there you need model release (ie. the person's signature that his/her A A photo A A can be used for various purposes). Personality rights for people modelling is only a US concept, sensible countries have no such restrictions. That is also not true and it's more complicated. Basically, taking a picture on the public space/street should be safe, but as soon as the person (and especially children) are the main object of the photos, you do need to have a license to use those in a non-private way. You're mixing several unrelated laws here. Personality rights in the US applies to people who make a living from their celebrity. Privacy rights in the EU applies to helping protect the little children. There's some common law concepts in Scotland and elsewhere around photos of models and celebrities but it's very unlikely to apply to photos given away under the GPL at no cost and has no bearing on KDE's licence policy which is based only on the copyright owner. Jonathan ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: plasma wallpapers
Well I'm no legal expert so neither can I. I just think that beyond some care to tell people not to break any local laws there isn't much we can do without making it a contest for who can grasp international trademark law the best. Lets just roll with it for now. Perhaps tell people to check in with legal issues and that its GPL we're going with license wise and not stress out about to much at this early stage, On Thursday, March 12, 2015 02:00:23 PM Martin Klapetek wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Jens Reuterberg j...@ohyran.se wrote: Well just as a suggestion can't we post something like please remember to check your local laws concerning official buildings and people and then IF someone hands over an image of an official building then we can ask them. I mean there's no point burning the house down to protect it from burglars is there? It gets complicated with KDE's international distribution though, one law not being valid in one country might be very valid in another country. But then again, I don't understand it enough to make educated claims, I'm just raising what I know as a photographer who actually tried to license some of his photos to a company. Cheers ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: plasma wallpapers
Hey, On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:46 PM, kainz.a kain...@gmail.com wrote: Hi plasma developers, I'm part of the VDG and do some artwork for the Breeze icon set. Plasma 5.1 and 5.2 has a new wallpaper but only one. I would like to see some nice wallpapers for 5.3 in other areas. There was a nice weather wallpaper app in kde 4, I think it wasn't ported but for this there were never realy usefull wallpapers. In addition there should be also wallpapers for more categories. I ask the digikam developers cause they are the picture guys for help and they say ask on Google+ than you will find enough contributors, we will also support you. My question was: - Can I start a Wallpaper contest for the plasma team to have additional standard wallpapers in plasma 5.3. I will make an plog post, You can select the best images for your wallpaper package. Nice initiative! However do you know how it is with property licenses when used as backgrounds? I'm asking because normally when you want to give/sell a license of a photo with say Golden Gate Bridge, you must first seek property release from the city of San Francisco (I've heard that many places in London are actually unlicenceable when it comes to photos). Same goes with children or any person on photos, there you need model release (ie. the person's signature that his/her photo can be used for various purposes). I really don't know how is it with photos not being sold but given your call has Konqi from Silicon Valley or City of Bangkok or Children wallpaper (not sure if you meant actual children :), I think it's better to stay on the safe side and specify a bit more what the background can be than later be sued by cities and stuff. And finally, you do require a model/property release for anything that's even remotely identifiable. Basically if the person can recognize it's him/her (even if there's just a leg with special shoes) or if the owner of the property can recognize his/her property, you need a release :) See [1] for more details. So, there's that :) [1] - https://iso.500px.com/10-photos-you-wouldnt-think-need-model-releases-but-do/ Cheers -- Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Wednesday 03 October 2012, Reza Shah wrote: seems bounce plasmoid can be converted as animated wallpaper. it has sound, well not the baby one :) can be tickled hmm, may be an excellent excuse to kill it ;) for stuff like that tough it would need the ability to use another wallpaper as its background to not have to reimplement Image just for that ;) -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Aleix Pol aleix...@kde.org wrote: On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 29 September 2012, Marco Martin wrote: i tried to do a wallpaper (called haenau) in the style of the typical default kde wallpaper that is just some simple svg shapes that are every 30 seconds gien a random opacity and z order, animation is very subtle (as it should always be) and the changes of the wallpaper are barely noticeable http://wstaw.org/m/2012/09/29/plasmoidviewerP13038.png even tough the qml file stays inactive for most of the time and in qmlviewer usually takes 0% cpu when loaded in plasma always takes some cpu, so is probably doing still some unnecessary repaints solved the cpu issue (it needs a cached pixmap, otherwise calls scene::render too often) and added anohter one (ok, i'll stop :p) one thing that should still be done (and don't want to do it, at least one thing;) is to show wallpaper thumbnails: and they should just be a thumbnail contained in the package (no, live previews are too costly in terms of pretty much everything) Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel I'll look into this during next (or this, already .) week. Looked into Haenau, looking promising! Thanks for caring, Marco! :) Aleix I pushed a new dialog with the previews. It still doesn't get much CPU here (or maybe I just have a good computer .), so any testing and comments are welcome. Aleix ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Tuesday 02 October 2012, Aleix Pol wrote: I'll look into this during next (or this, already .) week. Looked into Haenau, looking promising! Thanks for caring, Marco! :) Aleix I pushed a new dialog with the previews. It still doesn't get much CPU here (or maybe I just have a good computer .), so any testing and comments are welcome. reason was it was asking the scene a repaint every time, with a qpixmap as cache is way faster now. a current issue is that every delegate you click on is actually parsing the qml (ouch ;) -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 02 October 2012, Aleix Pol wrote: I'll look into this during next (or this, already .) week. Looked into Haenau, looking promising! Thanks for caring, Marco! :) Aleix I pushed a new dialog with the previews. It still doesn't get much CPU here (or maybe I just have a good computer .), so any testing and comments are welcome. reason was it was asking the scene a repaint every time, with a qpixmap as cache is way faster now. a current issue is that every delegate you click on is actually parsing the qml (ouch ;) -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel I'm unsure that's much of a problem. If it's identified as a problem, I can look into fixing it though... Aleix ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Aleix Pol aleix...@kde.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 02 October 2012, Aleix Pol wrote: I'll look into this during next (or this, already .) week. Looked into Haenau, looking promising! Thanks for caring, Marco! :) Aleix I pushed a new dialog with the previews. It still doesn't get much CPU here (or maybe I just have a good computer .), so any testing and comments are welcome. reason was it was asking the scene a repaint every time, with a qpixmap as cache is way faster now. a current issue is that every delegate you click on is actually parsing the qml (ouch ;) -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel I'm unsure that's much of a problem. If it's identified as a problem, I can look into fixing it though... Aleix I just pushed the mouse events forwarding to the QGraphicsScene, not it's not only alive but it can be tickled ;). Aleix ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Tuesday 02 October 2012, Aleix Pol wrote: reason was it was asking the scene a repaint every time, with a qpixmap as cache is way faster now. a current issue is that every delegate you click on is actually parsing the qml (ouch ;) -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel I'm unsure that's much of a problem. If it's identified as a problem, I can look into fixing it though... it does quite some unnecessary work, a particularly complex wallpaper (haenau) leads to a noticeable freeze for 1/10 of second here -- Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 20:28:29 Aleix Pol wrote: I just pushed the mouse events forwarding to the QGraphicsScene, not it's not only alive but it can be tickled ;). ... so who'll be the first one to find a cute picture of a baby and a funny giggling sound and make it into a wallpaper? ;) cool stuff; can't wait to get this fully integrated into libplasma2 based shells! we'll want to make some noise about this feature in the 4.10 release announcements. -- Aaron Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
seems bounce plasmoid can be converted as animated wallpaper. it has sound, well not the baby one :) can be tickled On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 6:13 AM, Aaron J. Seigo ase...@kde.org wrote: On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 20:28:29 Aleix Pol wrote: I just pushed the mouse events forwarding to the QGraphicsScene, not it's not only alive but it can be tickled ;). ... so who'll be the first one to find a cute picture of a baby and a funny giggling sound and make it into a wallpaper? ;) cool stuff; can't wait to get this fully integrated into libplasma2 based shells! we'll want to make some noise about this feature in the 4.10 release announcements. -- Aaron Seigo ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
HI Aleix, Tried with latest one, seems there were some delay in configuration dialog: - when clicking Haenau, i can feel slight delay until the thumbnail selected, you can compare with ascii and hunyango (do selection between them). - seem the thumbnails are 'active', they changed their appeareance after certain time while the configuration dialog still open. may be static preview is better or just regenerate the preview after the dialog closed I tested using ivy bridge laptop and amd phenom xt desktop, so i think those are capable enough. From system activity i got these: plasma-desktop spikes around 6% for Hunyango and 18% at max for Haenau (this in my amd phenom). On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: a current issue is that every delegate you click on is actually parsing the qml (ouch ;) ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:52 AM, Reza Shah rshah0...@kireihana.com wrote: HI Aleix, Tried with latest one, seems there were some delay in configuration dialog: - when clicking Haenau, i can feel slight delay until the thumbnail selected, you can compare with ascii and hunyango (do selection between them). - seem the thumbnails are 'active', they changed their appeareance after certain time while the configuration dialog still open. may be static preview is better or just regenerate the preview after the dialog closed I tested using ivy bridge laptop and amd phenom xt desktop, so i think those are capable enough. From system activity i got these: plasma-desktop spikes around 6% for Hunyango and 18% at max for Haenau (this in my amd phenom). On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: a current issue is that every delegate you click on is actually parsing the qml (ouch ;) ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel Ok, I'll change it to switching the wallpaper on ::save. Thanks for the testing! Aleix ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
...and pushed. On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:05 AM, Aleix Pol aleix...@kde.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:52 AM, Reza Shah rshah0...@kireihana.com wrote: HI Aleix, Tried with latest one, seems there were some delay in configuration dialog: - when clicking Haenau, i can feel slight delay until the thumbnail selected, you can compare with ascii and hunyango (do selection between them). - seem the thumbnails are 'active', they changed their appeareance after certain time while the configuration dialog still open. may be static preview is better or just regenerate the preview after the dialog closed I tested using ivy bridge laptop and amd phenom xt desktop, so i think those are capable enough. From system activity i got these: plasma-desktop spikes around 6% for Hunyango and 18% at max for Haenau (this in my amd phenom). On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: a current issue is that every delegate you click on is actually parsing the qml (ouch ;) ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel Ok, I'll change it to switching the wallpaper on ::save. Thanks for the testing! Aleix ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
HI Aleix, The thumbnail selection faster now. But seems the wallpaper will always set to Haenau. Tried with ascii or hunyango, but Haenau will be displayed. On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Aleix Pol aleix...@kde.org wrote: ...and pushed. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
Hi, It should be fixed now! Good night*! Aleix PS: or whatever is according to your time zone ;) On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Reza Shah rshah0...@kireihana.com wrote: HI Aleix, The thumbnail selection faster now. But seems the wallpaper will always set to Haenau. Tried with ascii or hunyango, but Haenau will be displayed. On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Aleix Pol aleix...@kde.org wrote: ...and pushed. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 29 September 2012, Marco Martin wrote: i tried to do a wallpaper (called haenau) in the style of the typical default kde wallpaper that is just some simple svg shapes that are every 30 seconds gien a random opacity and z order, animation is very subtle (as it should always be) and the changes of the wallpaper are barely noticeable http://wstaw.org/m/2012/09/29/plasmoidviewerP13038.png even tough the qml file stays inactive for most of the time and in qmlviewer usually takes 0% cpu when loaded in plasma always takes some cpu, so is probably doing still some unnecessary repaints solved the cpu issue (it needs a cached pixmap, otherwise calls scene::render too often) and added anohter one (ok, i'll stop :p) one thing that should still be done (and don't want to do it, at least one thing;) is to show wallpaper thumbnails: and they should just be a thumbnail contained in the package (no, live previews are too costly in terms of pretty much everything) Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel I'll look into this during next (or this, already .) week. Looked into Haenau, looking promising! Thanks for caring, Marco! :) Aleix ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Friday 28 September 2012, Marco Martin wrote: On Thursday 13 September 2012, Aleix Pol wrote: What I did was to create a very very simple plugin (~40 sloc) that lets you easily specify a wallpaper given a QML url. Now it's hardcoded, and we should find a way to pass it (maybe through the QVariantList args?) so that a wallpaper is just the desktop file, or maybe something completely different. :) I'm happy it's merged ;) only two things still bothering me a bit that should be at least discussed: i think wallpapers shouldn't be installed in apps/plasma/packages but have their own directory and their desktop files not installed under services i tried to do a wallpaper (called haenau) in the style of the typical default kde wallpaper that is just some simple svg shapes that are every 30 seconds gien a random opacity and z order, animation is very subtle (as it should always be) and the changes of the wallpaper are barely noticeable http://wstaw.org/m/2012/09/29/plasmoidviewerP13038.png even tough the qml file stays inactive for most of the time and in qmlviewer usually takes 0% cpu when loaded in plasma always takes some cpu, so is probably doing still some unnecessary repaints Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Saturday 29 September 2012, Marco Martin wrote: i tried to do a wallpaper (called haenau) in the style of the typical default kde wallpaper that is just some simple svg shapes that are every 30 seconds gien a random opacity and z order, animation is very subtle (as it should always be) and the changes of the wallpaper are barely noticeable http://wstaw.org/m/2012/09/29/plasmoidviewerP13038.png even tough the qml file stays inactive for most of the time and in qmlviewer usually takes 0% cpu when loaded in plasma always takes some cpu, so is probably doing still some unnecessary repaints solved the cpu issue (it needs a cached pixmap, otherwise calls scene::render too often) and added anohter one (ok, i'll stop :p) one thing that should still be done (and don't want to do it, at least one thing;) is to show wallpaper thumbnails: and they should just be a thumbnail contained in the package (no, live previews are too costly in terms of pretty much everything) Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Thursday 13 September 2012, Aleix Pol wrote: What I did was to create a very very simple plugin (~40 sloc) that lets you easily specify a wallpaper given a QML url. Now it's hardcoded, and we should find a way to pass it (maybe through the QVariantList args?) so that a wallpaper is just the desktop file, or maybe something completely different. :) I'm happy it's merged ;) only two things still bothering me a bit that should be at least discussed: i think wallpapers shouldn't be installed in apps/plasma/packages but have their own directory and their desktop files not installed under services Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Friday 28 September 2012, Marco Martin wrote: On Thursday 13 September 2012, Aleix Pol wrote: What I did was to create a very very simple plugin (~40 sloc) that lets you easily specify a wallpaper given a QML url. Now it's hardcoded, and we should find a way to pass it (maybe through the QVariantList args?) so that a wallpaper is just the desktop file, or maybe something completely different. :) I'm happy it's merged ;) only two things still bothering me a bit that should be at least discussed: i think wallpapers shouldn't be installed in apps/plasma/packages but have their own directory and their desktop files not installed under services oh, and a third thing: we can't ship by default a wallpaper called ugly (and that indeed, is) it should be moved in kdeexamples Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 13 September 2012, Aleix Pol wrote: What I did was to create a very very simple plugin (~40 sloc) that lets you easily specify a wallpaper given a QML url. Now it's hardcoded, and we should find a way to pass it (maybe through the QVariantList args?) so that a wallpaper is just the desktop file, or maybe something completely different. :) I'm happy it's merged ;) only two things still bothering me a bit that should be at least discussed: i think wallpapers shouldn't be installed in apps/plasma/packages but have their own directory and their desktop files not installed under services Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel Hi! Tell me where you want them installed and I will put them there. I copied it from kdeexamples, I guessed it makes sense that if it's a plasma package then it should be there, but then again plasma packages still sound weird to me. And where should the metadata.desktop files be installed instead? About the ugly thing, I'll move it right now. Aleix ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Friday 28 September 2012, Aleix Pol wrote: On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 13 September 2012, Aleix Pol wrote: What I did was to create a very very simple plugin (~40 sloc) that lets you easily specify a wallpaper given a QML url. Now it's hardcoded, and we should find a way to pass it (maybe through the QVariantList args?) so that a wallpaper is just the desktop file, or maybe something completely different. :) I'm happy it's merged ;) only two things still bothering me a bit that should be at least discussed: i think wallpapers shouldn't be installed in apps/plasma/packages but have their own directory and their desktop files not installed under services Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel Hi! Tell me where you want them installed and I will put them there. I copied it from kdeexamples, I guessed it makes sense that if it's a plasma package then it should be there, but then again plasma packages still sound weird to me. changed to apps/plasma/wallpapers, check the last commits (btw, i also fixed some small styling issues, such as broken icon, org.kde namespace to plugin name, trailing spaces etc, those are important things to check now that we are talking about polish last mile etc ;) And where should the metadata.desktop files be installed instead? just in its package folder, no need to pollute sycoca Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 03:21:39 Aleix Pol wrote: git clone kde:scratch/apol/qmlwallpapers works very nicely; would be even nicer if mouse events were passed through, though, to allow some level of interaction, but given the mechanism that is needed to be used to make this work at the moment that may not be possible. ... and this leads me to think about what to do with Wallpaper in libplasma2 :) as for where to put this plugin, for now it should go into kdeplasma-addons with the other wallpaper plugins. p.s. ascii animals are awesome :) -- Aaron J. Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Aaron J. Seigo ase...@kde.org wrote: On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 03:21:39 Aleix Pol wrote: git clone kde:scratch/apol/qmlwallpapers works very nicely; would be even nicer if mouse events were passed through, though, to allow some level of interaction, but given the mechanism that is needed to be used to make this work at the moment that may not be possible. There's some wallpaper that has mouse events already, I think it's mandelbrot or marble.. I can see if I can forward those events to the scene... OTOH, it might be a bit messy to have the background moving when you hover it. ... and this leads me to think about what to do with Wallpaper in libplasma2 :) as for where to put this plugin, for now it should go into kdeplasma-addons with the other wallpaper plugins. Yes, well I said kde-worspace because marco suggested it. I'm not going to fight over it, so wherever you tell me ;). p.s. ascii animals are awesome :) :D -- Aaron J. Seigo ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:24:04 Aleix Pol wrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Aaron J. Seigo ase...@kde.org wrote: On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 03:21:39 Aleix Pol wrote: git clone kde:scratch/apol/qmlwallpapers works very nicely; would be even nicer if mouse events were passed through, though, to allow some level of interaction, but given the mechanism that is needed to be used to make this work at the moment that may not be possible. There's some wallpaper that has mouse events already, I think it's mandelbrot or marble.. I can see if I can forward those events to the scene... OTOH, it might be a bit messy to have the background moving when you hover it. We have a MouseEventListener in QtExtras, that, as opposed to MouseArea, doesn't eat the events, but listens in, they're still received by underlying items. Maybe that's what you're looking for? -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Aleix Pol aleix...@kde.org wrote: There's some wallpaper that has mouse events already, I think it's mandelbrot or marble.. I can see if I can forward those events to the scene... OTOH, it might be a bit messy to have the background moving when you hover it. is not super pretty but yes, a wallpaper plugin receives mouse events, so you can from there manually send them over the scene where you render the wallpaper image with qml, and it should just work. in plasma2 it would just be items positioned under the items in the containment, so if nobody in the containment eats them, they will end up to the wallpaper items. ... and this leads me to think about what to do with Wallpaper in libplasma2 :) as for where to put this plugin, for now it should go into kdeplasma-addons with the other wallpaper plugins. Yes, well I said kde-worspace because marco suggested it. I'm not going to fight over it, so wherever you tell me ;). yeah, i didn't think about the extra ones in addons, this can go there for now. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel Ok, it's in kdeplasma-addons now! :) I'll blog about it later today or so. Cheers! Aleix ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
Hi I tried converting current color wallpaper to qml (painting is hybrid, some background type still painted in c++). I put in kde:scratch/rshah/colorwallpaperqml Regards, Reza ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Aleix Pol aleix...@kde.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Aleix Pol aleix...@kde.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 13 September 2012, Aleix Pol wrote: Hi, So I was tired of KPeople for today and I've decided to play a bit with wallpapers. What I did was to create a very very simple plugin (~40 sloc) that lets you easily specify a wallpaper given a QML url. Now it's hardcoded, and we should find a way to pass it (maybe through the QVariantList args?) so that a wallpaper is just the desktop file, or maybe something completely different. :) If anybody wants to try it you can fetch it from: kde:scratch/apol/qmlwallpapers Thoughts? i subscribe to the cool first tought ;) it would be of course something completely unrelated with the current Wallpaper plugin, since it's oriented to rendering of images, but the two are complimentary (not sure if allowing both at the same time to run... maybe not ;) Well I think there's been too much of a the other wallpaper syndrome there. It's a bit weird that Plasma::Wallpaper has some API that will only be ever used by the images wallpaper, while there are a bunch of them more as in: color, virus, weather, mandelbrot, etc. For plasma2 I guess it could make sense to make it possible to implement them all in terms of QML since now it's very much tied to QPainter and it will be a bit weird to port. as a simple exapmple to load a Package that is not a plasmoid, you can look at plasma-mobile repo, applications/common/kdeclarativeview.cpp I'll look into this and see what I can get. as type of package, i would try to either reuse the wallpaper type, or adding a qml-wallpaper one, so it gets its own install directory prefix, and optional own filesystem structure if it uses the wallpaper type, nothing in the existing configuration have to be touched, as a bonus. yes, that's the plan :) We might want to make the plugin configurable, I'll see what I can do in this regard... Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel Ok, discussing about it in #plasma was helpful :). I've ported it to use plasma packages, it's using the Plasma/Generic type so we might want to restrict a bit the type there, but I'm unsure about how this works. In any case, I'll try to get it to list wallpapers before Randa for discussing the inclusion of it. Cheers! Aleix Hi! I've fixed some issues we found today in here (Randa), and now I think we can consider to put it in kde-workspace so it can be polished for 4.10. Also it would be interesting if somebody with taste and a good sense of beauty took a chance with it, so that it can be showcased without burning your retina. Good night! Aleix PD: if you want to try it: git clone kde:scratch/apol/qmlwallpapers ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 13 September 2012, Aleix Pol wrote: Hi, So I was tired of KPeople for today and I've decided to play a bit with wallpapers. What I did was to create a very very simple plugin (~40 sloc) that lets you easily specify a wallpaper given a QML url. Now it's hardcoded, and we should find a way to pass it (maybe through the QVariantList args?) so that a wallpaper is just the desktop file, or maybe something completely different. :) If anybody wants to try it you can fetch it from: kde:scratch/apol/qmlwallpapers Thoughts? i subscribe to the cool first tought ;) it would be of course something completely unrelated with the current Wallpaper plugin, since it's oriented to rendering of images, but the two are complimentary (not sure if allowing both at the same time to run... maybe not ;) Well I think there's been too much of a the other wallpaper syndrome there. It's a bit weird that Plasma::Wallpaper has some API that will only be ever used by the images wallpaper, while there are a bunch of them more as in: color, virus, weather, mandelbrot, etc. For plasma2 I guess it could make sense to make it possible to implement them all in terms of QML since now it's very much tied to QPainter and it will be a bit weird to port. as a simple exapmple to load a Package that is not a plasmoid, you can look at plasma-mobile repo, applications/common/kdeclarativeview.cpp I'll look into this and see what I can get. as type of package, i would try to either reuse the wallpaper type, or adding a qml-wallpaper one, so it gets its own install directory prefix, and optional own filesystem structure if it uses the wallpaper type, nothing in the existing configuration have to be touched, as a bonus. yes, that's the plan :) We might want to make the plugin configurable, I'll see what I can do in this regard... Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Aleix Pol aleix...@kde.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 13 September 2012, Aleix Pol wrote: Hi, So I was tired of KPeople for today and I've decided to play a bit with wallpapers. What I did was to create a very very simple plugin (~40 sloc) that lets you easily specify a wallpaper given a QML url. Now it's hardcoded, and we should find a way to pass it (maybe through the QVariantList args?) so that a wallpaper is just the desktop file, or maybe something completely different. :) If anybody wants to try it you can fetch it from: kde:scratch/apol/qmlwallpapers Thoughts? i subscribe to the cool first tought ;) it would be of course something completely unrelated with the current Wallpaper plugin, since it's oriented to rendering of images, but the two are complimentary (not sure if allowing both at the same time to run... maybe not ;) Well I think there's been too much of a the other wallpaper syndrome there. It's a bit weird that Plasma::Wallpaper has some API that will only be ever used by the images wallpaper, while there are a bunch of them more as in: color, virus, weather, mandelbrot, etc. For plasma2 I guess it could make sense to make it possible to implement them all in terms of QML since now it's very much tied to QPainter and it will be a bit weird to port. as a simple exapmple to load a Package that is not a plasmoid, you can look at plasma-mobile repo, applications/common/kdeclarativeview.cpp I'll look into this and see what I can get. as type of package, i would try to either reuse the wallpaper type, or adding a qml-wallpaper one, so it gets its own install directory prefix, and optional own filesystem structure if it uses the wallpaper type, nothing in the existing configuration have to be touched, as a bonus. yes, that's the plan :) We might want to make the plugin configurable, I'll see what I can do in this regard... Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel Ok, discussing about it in #plasma was helpful :). I've ported it to use plasma packages, it's using the Plasma/Generic type so we might want to restrict a bit the type there, but I'm unsure about how this works. In any case, I'll try to get it to list wallpapers before Randa for discussing the inclusion of it. Cheers! Aleix ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Thursday, September 13, 2012 18:25:58 Aleix Pol wrote: Hi, So I was tired of KPeople for today and I've decided to play a bit with wallpapers. What I did was to create a very very simple plugin (~40 sloc) that lets you easily specify a wallpaper given a QML url. Now it's hardcoded, and we should find a way to pass it (maybe through the QVariantList args?) so that a wallpaper is just the desktop file, or maybe something completely different. :) If anybody wants to try it you can fetch it from: kde:scratch/apol/qmlwallpapers Thoughts? First thoughts: Cool. :) Architecturally, it should be pretty much the same as a Plasmoid, so a package with QML (and possibly other) files in it, which points to the location of the start QML file in its desktop file. An arg-based approach seems alien in this situation. Cheers, -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote: On Thursday, September 13, 2012 18:25:58 Aleix Pol wrote: Hi, So I was tired of KPeople for today and I've decided to play a bit with wallpapers. What I did was to create a very very simple plugin (~40 sloc) that lets you easily specify a wallpaper given a QML url. Now it's hardcoded, and we should find a way to pass it (maybe through the QVariantList args?) so that a wallpaper is just the desktop file, or maybe something completely different. :) If anybody wants to try it you can fetch it from: kde:scratch/apol/qmlwallpapers Thoughts? First thoughts: Cool. :) Architecturally, it should be pretty much the same as a Plasmoid, so a package with QML (and possibly other) files in it, which points to the location of the start QML file in its desktop file. An arg-based approach seems alien in this situation. Cheers, -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel Nice :P I thought nobody was interested. Can you point me to how do those plasmoids work so that I can get inspired? Aleix ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Thursday 13 September 2012, Aleix Pol wrote: Hi, So I was tired of KPeople for today and I've decided to play a bit with wallpapers. What I did was to create a very very simple plugin (~40 sloc) that lets you easily specify a wallpaper given a QML url. Now it's hardcoded, and we should find a way to pass it (maybe through the QVariantList args?) so that a wallpaper is just the desktop file, or maybe something completely different. :) If anybody wants to try it you can fetch it from: kde:scratch/apol/qmlwallpapers Thoughts? i subscribe to the cool first tought ;) it would be of course something completely unrelated with the current Wallpaper plugin, since it's oriented to rendering of images, but the two are complimentary (not sure if allowing both at the same time to run... maybe not ;) as a simple exapmple to load a Package that is not a plasmoid, you can look at plasma-mobile repo, applications/common/kdeclarativeview.cpp as type of package, i would try to either reuse the wallpaper type, or adding a qml-wallpaper one, so it gets its own install directory prefix, and optional own filesystem structure if it uses the wallpaper type, nothing in the existing configuration have to be touched, as a bonus Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Plasma Wallpapers in QML
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Aleix Pol aleix...@kde.org wrote: Hi, So I was tired of KPeople for today and I've decided to play a bit with wallpapers. What I did was to create a very very simple plugin that lets you easily specify a wallpaper given a QML url. Now it's hardcoded but we could just find a way to pass it (maybe through the QVariantList args?) so that a wallpaper is just the desktop file. If anybody wants to try it you can fetch it from: kde:scratch/apol/qmlwallpapers Aleix sorry about this second e-mail, shouldn't have been sent -.- ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
