Re: task manager lines instead of blocks

[Marco Martin]

On Saturday 27 August 2016, Kai Uwe Broulik wrote:
> I was under the impression that this was already well under way...
> 
> Note that plasma frameworks freeze is next Saturday (given the recent
> breaking changes in the theme I don't feel comfortable with theme changes
> that late in the cycle) and the Frameworks release thereafter will be
> tight for Plasma 5.8 (and also won't be a dependency) so I would think
> it's too late for 5.8 now? Especially given how easy it is to get margins
> wrong in tasks.svgz and 5.8 is LTS.

yeah, should have been done by now, and it's a bit too late now
btw, the theme it's in plasma-framework, so its release isn't bound to 5.8
but it shuld be either released in the latest framework at the time of 5.8 
release, or be delayed for several months

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Re: task manager lines instead of blocks

[Kai Uwe Broulik]

I was under the impression that this was already well under way...

Note that plasma frameworks freeze is next Saturday (given the recent breaking 
changes in the theme I don't feel comfortable with theme changes that late in 
the cycle) and the Frameworks release thereafter will be tight for Plasma 5.8 
(and also won't be a dependency) so I would think it's too late for 5.8 now? 
Especially given how easy it is to get margins wrong in tasks.svgz and 5.8 is 
LTS.

Re: task manager lines instead of blocks

[Marco Martin]

On Saturday 30 July 2016 10:20:41 kainz.a wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> in plasma 5.4 we had the lines for the task manager. Uri changed it in
> blocks. Since the last year with blocks I think lines would fit better the
> breeze theme.
> 
> http://linux.sothorn.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/plasma1.png
> 
> Can I change the tasks.svgz file to use lines instead of blocks. I would
> suggest to have the lines outside instead of inside. In addition I would
> remove the colored icons for kick(er) and the system ones.

any news on this?

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Re: task manager lines instead of blocks

[Marco Martin]

On Saturday 30 July 2016 10:20:41 kainz.a wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> in plasma 5.4 we had the lines for the task manager. Uri changed it in
> blocks. Since the last year with blocks I think lines would fit better the
> breeze theme.
> 
> http://linux.sothorn.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/plasma1.png

I liked the lines better as well.
*but* one actual good point for the argument on blocks was that lines being 
vertically asymmetrical can visually throw the centering on the icon off

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Re: task manager lines instead of blocks

[Eike Hein]

Hi Andreas,

task.svgz is really non-trivial to get right, partly because
the Task Manager has a lot of non-obvious modes. I trust you
guys, but please make sure that any changes to it goes through
Review first and that I get enough time to have a look. I
spent hours (yes, hours of fiddling!) fixing the current one
last time and know all the issues pretty well.

As for the issue - I like the simple look of blocks, but on
the other hand the lines are a pretty unique visual identity
which is nice and recognizable on screenshots. I like the
lines as a visual byline for Plasma.


Cheers,
Eike
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Re: task manager lines instead of blocks

[kainz.a]

> I prefer blocks.
> Also, we started with lines, people got used to lines,> we changed it to 
> blocks. Now people got used to blocks> and we want to change it back to 
> lines. I don't feel like> the theme should be constantly changing back and 
> forth.
> Cheers> --
> Martin Klapetek


I know switch back and forth isn't that good but drive in one direction
and never look back is not better.

the blocks were implemented in 5.5 cause of have a consistent design
between select something in dolphin, krunner, ... but we also have the
lines and I think that the lines fit's better.

we had a pull request in the VDG telegram channel few mounths ago
and the result was clear the lines are prefered but we have to be first
careful (don't jump around with the designs) and find the right design
lines a bit thinner, ...

so should I add something on reviewboard?

cheers
Andreas Kainz
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Re: task manager lines instead of blocks

[Martin Klapetek]

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 4:20 AM, kainz.a  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> in plasma 5.4 we had the lines for the task manager. Uri changed it in
> blocks. Since the last year with blocks I think lines would fit better the
> breeze theme.
>
> http://linux.sothorn.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/plasma1.png
>
> Can I change the tasks.svgz file to use lines instead of blocks. I would
> suggest to have the lines outside instead of inside. In addition I would
> remove the colored icons for kick(er) and the system ones.
>
> thanks for your comment.
>

I prefer blocks.

Also, we started with lines, people got used to lines,
we changed it to blocks. Now people got used to blocks
and we want to change it back to lines. I don't feel like
the theme should be constantly changing back and forth.

Cheers
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Re: task manager lines instead of blocks

[R.Harish Navnit]

Hi,

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 1:50 PM, kainz.a  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> in plasma 5.4 we had the lines for the task manager. Uri changed it in
> blocks. Since the last year with blocks I think lines would fit better the
> breeze theme.
>
> http://linux.sothorn.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/plasma1.png
>
> Can I change the tasks.svgz file to use lines instead of blocks. I would
> suggest to have the lines outside instead of inside. In addition I would
> remove the colored icons for kick(er) and the system ones.
Slightly confused here. Outisde of what ? The boxes ?
Are you talking about a blocks + line combo (assuming that's feasible) ?
That might actually look good, no ?  or maybe the tasks get too messed
up, not sure.

Just a thought :-)

Cheers,
Harish
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Re: task manager lines instead of blocks

[Kai Uwe Broulik]

Hi,

I also liked the lines better especially since we now have lines everywhere 
(open plasmoid, system tray, tabs) except task manager.

Be careful when messing with tasks.svgz as it's quite easy to screw up the 
puddings in there.

As for the icons I prefer the colored tab icons on Kickoff but the leave icons 
should be black and white everywhere (not just in Kickoff, but they look pretty 
bad on the shutdown screen too) imho.

Cheers, 
Kai Uwe




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Re: task manager lines instead of blocks

[Alessandro Longo]

In data sabato 30 luglio 2016 10:20:41 CEST, kainz.a ha scritto:
> Hi,
> 
> in plasma 5.4 we had the lines for the task manager. Uri changed it in
> blocks. Since the last year with blocks I think lines would fit better the
> breeze theme.
> 
> http://linux.sothorn.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/plasma1.png
> 
> Can I change the tasks.svgz file to use lines instead of blocks. I would
> suggest to have the lines outside instead of inside.

+1. I already use lines because I like them more. Can I suggest to use a line 
**under** the icon/text for bottom panel and **above** the icon/text for top 
panel? Same for right/left: line nearer the border of the screen. Also, I'd 
suggest to make the line at 2px instead of 3 (or 4?) px like in the 
screenshot.

> In addition I would
> remove the colored icons for kick(er) and the system ones.

+1 

> thanks for your comment.
> Andreas K

-- Alessandro Longo


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