Re: Review Request 121449: Rename "Human Input Devices" to just "Input Devices"
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/ --- (Updated Dec. 12, 2014, 11:32 a.m.) Status -- This change has been marked as submitted. Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability. Repository: systemsettings Description --- The "Human" part feels strange (even though technically correct). Putting just "Input devices" is stil correct and feels more natural Diffs - categories/settings-hardware-input.desktop ddc3204 Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/diff/ Testing --- Thanks, Martin Klapetek ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Review Request 121449: Rename "Human Input Devices" to just "Input Devices"
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/#review71835 --- Ship it! Ship It! - Thomas Pfeiffer On Dez. 11, 2014, 2:43 nachm., Martin Klapetek wrote: > > --- > This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: > https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/ > --- > > (Updated Dez. 11, 2014, 2:43 nachm.) > > > Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability. > > > Repository: systemsettings > > > Description > --- > > The "Human" part feels strange (even though technically correct). Putting > just "Input devices" is stil correct and feels more natural > > > Diffs > - > > categories/settings-hardware-input.desktop ddc3204 > > Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/diff/ > > > Testing > --- > > > Thanks, > > Martin Klapetek > > ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Review Request 121449: Rename "Human Input Devices" to just "Input Devices"
> On Dez. 11, 2014, 3:57 nachm., Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > I'll just comment here to let you know that you're not being ignored. > > From my perspective, just "Input Devices" - while less precise - would work > > as well. I'd like to give Heiko, who came up with the "Human" in the name, > > the chance to comment as well before giving it a "Ship it" from our group, > > though. > > Martin Klapetek wrote: > > while less precise > > Well, to some extent, yes. But aren't all devices for which we have > config modules "human"? ;) What's a non-human input device anyway? A scanner for example provides input data, but directly from humans. Well, whatever, as Heiko has already agreed to the change, it's fine from our side. Lemme quickly give a "Ship it!" ;) - Thomas --- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/#review71814 --- On Dez. 11, 2014, 2:43 nachm., Martin Klapetek wrote: > > --- > This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: > https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/ > --- > > (Updated Dez. 11, 2014, 2:43 nachm.) > > > Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability. > > > Repository: systemsettings > > > Description > --- > > The "Human" part feels strange (even though technically correct). Putting > just "Input devices" is stil correct and feels more natural > > > Diffs > - > > categories/settings-hardware-input.desktop ddc3204 > > Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/diff/ > > > Testing > --- > > > Thanks, > > Martin Klapetek > > ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Review Request 121449: Rename "Human Input Devices" to just "Input Devices"
> On Dec. 11, 2014, 4:57 p.m., Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > I'll just comment here to let you know that you're not being ignored. > > From my perspective, just "Input Devices" - while less precise - would work > > as well. I'd like to give Heiko, who came up with the "Human" in the name, > > the chance to comment as well before giving it a "Ship it" from our group, > > though. > while less precise Well, to some extent, yes. But aren't all devices for which we have config modules "human"? ;) What's a non-human input device anyway? - Martin --- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/#review71814 --- On Dec. 11, 2014, 3:43 p.m., Martin Klapetek wrote: > > --- > This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: > https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/ > --- > > (Updated Dec. 11, 2014, 3:43 p.m.) > > > Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability. > > > Repository: systemsettings > > > Description > --- > > The "Human" part feels strange (even though technically correct). Putting > just "Input devices" is stil correct and feels more natural > > > Diffs > - > > categories/settings-hardware-input.desktop ddc3204 > > Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/diff/ > > > Testing > --- > > > Thanks, > > Martin Klapetek > > ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Review Request 121449: Rename "Human Input Devices" to just "Input Devices"
> On Pro. 11, 2014, 6:01 odp., Heiko Tietze wrote: > > Isn't the term HID very common? "Human interface device" (or input) to > > distinguish it from network cable, or the like, that are rather for the > > pets to play with. But I don't stick to the name. > > Aleix Pol Gonzalez wrote: > To me HID is mostly a technical term. As a user, I only expect the input > devices the devices I use myself for input. Yes, according to wikipedia, it's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_interface_device But here we talk about Human _Input_ Devices, see the confusion? :) - Lukáš --- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/#review71816 --- On Pro. 11, 2014, 3:43 odp., Martin Klapetek wrote: > > --- > This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: > https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/ > --- > > (Updated Pro. 11, 2014, 3:43 odp.) > > > Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability. > > > Repository: systemsettings > > > Description > --- > > The "Human" part feels strange (even though technically correct). Putting > just "Input devices" is stil correct and feels more natural > > > Diffs > - > > categories/settings-hardware-input.desktop ddc3204 > > Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/diff/ > > > Testing > --- > > > Thanks, > > Martin Klapetek > > ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Review Request 121449: Rename "Human Input Devices" to just "Input Devices"
> On Dec. 11, 2014, 5:01 p.m., Heiko Tietze wrote: > > Isn't the term HID very common? "Human interface device" (or input) to > > distinguish it from network cable, or the like, that are rather for the > > pets to play with. But I don't stick to the name. To me HID is mostly a technical term. As a user, I only expect the input devices the devices I use myself for input. - Aleix --- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/#review71816 --- On Dec. 11, 2014, 2:43 p.m., Martin Klapetek wrote: > > --- > This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: > https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/ > --- > > (Updated Dec. 11, 2014, 2:43 p.m.) > > > Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability. > > > Repository: systemsettings > > > Description > --- > > The "Human" part feels strange (even though technically correct). Putting > just "Input devices" is stil correct and feels more natural > > > Diffs > - > > categories/settings-hardware-input.desktop ddc3204 > > Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/diff/ > > > Testing > --- > > > Thanks, > > Martin Klapetek > > ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Review Request 121449: Rename "Human Input Devices" to just "Input Devices"
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/#review71816 --- Isn't the term HID very common? "Human interface device" (or input) to distinguish it from network cable, or the like, that are rather for the pets to play with. But I don't stick to the name. - Heiko Tietze On Dez. 11, 2014, 2:43 nachm., Martin Klapetek wrote: > > --- > This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: > https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/ > --- > > (Updated Dez. 11, 2014, 2:43 nachm.) > > > Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability. > > > Repository: systemsettings > > > Description > --- > > The "Human" part feels strange (even though technically correct). Putting > just "Input devices" is stil correct and feels more natural > > > Diffs > - > > categories/settings-hardware-input.desktop ddc3204 > > Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/diff/ > > > Testing > --- > > > Thanks, > > Martin Klapetek > > ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Review Request 121449: Rename "Human Input Devices" to just "Input Devices"
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/#review71814 --- I'll just comment here to let you know that you're not being ignored. >From my perspective, just "Input Devices" - while less precise - would work as >well. I'd like to give Heiko, who came up with the "Human" in the name, the >chance to comment as well before giving it a "Ship it" from our group, though. - Thomas Pfeiffer On Dez. 11, 2014, 2:43 nachm., Martin Klapetek wrote: > > --- > This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: > https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/ > --- > > (Updated Dez. 11, 2014, 2:43 nachm.) > > > Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability. > > > Repository: systemsettings > > > Description > --- > > The "Human" part feels strange (even though technically correct). Putting > just "Input devices" is stil correct and feels more natural > > > Diffs > - > > categories/settings-hardware-input.desktop ddc3204 > > Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/diff/ > > > Testing > --- > > > Thanks, > > Martin Klapetek > > ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Review Request 121449: Rename "Human Input Devices" to just "Input Devices"
> On Dec. 11, 2014, 4:19 p.m., Martin Gräßlin wrote: > > -1: there was probably a good reason to name it like that as the renaming > > process was done by our usability experts. We shouldn't dismiss their > > feedback just because we think it sounds strange. > > Eike Hein wrote: > At the same time it's clear that KDE is too cis-species'd and this is > offensive to both our alien user community and pets on keyboards. > > Martin Klapetek wrote: > Martin: fair enough, that's precisely why I put the usability group here > too. It's not dismissing, it's iterating ;) > pets on keyboards. back in the days of my student flat-sharing community I came back from a week long trip and found my computer to be on. It turned out that my flatmate's cat jumped on the keyboard and turned it on. So I'm very happy to discrimenate against pets using input devices!!! @Martin: fair enough, I must have missed the usability group in the review section. - Martin --- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/#review71808 --- On Dec. 11, 2014, 3:43 p.m., Martin Klapetek wrote: > > --- > This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: > https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/ > --- > > (Updated Dec. 11, 2014, 3:43 p.m.) > > > Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability. > > > Repository: systemsettings > > > Description > --- > > The "Human" part feels strange (even though technically correct). Putting > just "Input devices" is stil correct and feels more natural > > > Diffs > - > > categories/settings-hardware-input.desktop ddc3204 > > Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/diff/ > > > Testing > --- > > > Thanks, > > Martin Klapetek > > ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Review Request 121449: Rename "Human Input Devices" to just "Input Devices"
> On Dec. 11, 2014, 4:19 p.m., Martin Gräßlin wrote: > > -1: there was probably a good reason to name it like that as the renaming > > process was done by our usability experts. We shouldn't dismiss their > > feedback just because we think it sounds strange. > > Eike Hein wrote: > At the same time it's clear that KDE is too cis-species'd and this is > offensive to both our alien user community and pets on keyboards. Martin: fair enough, that's precisely why I put the usability group here too. It's not dismissing, it's iterating ;) - Martin --- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/#review71808 --- On Dec. 11, 2014, 3:43 p.m., Martin Klapetek wrote: > > --- > This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: > https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/ > --- > > (Updated Dec. 11, 2014, 3:43 p.m.) > > > Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability. > > > Repository: systemsettings > > > Description > --- > > The "Human" part feels strange (even though technically correct). Putting > just "Input devices" is stil correct and feels more natural > > > Diffs > - > > categories/settings-hardware-input.desktop ddc3204 > > Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/diff/ > > > Testing > --- > > > Thanks, > > Martin Klapetek > > ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Review Request 121449: Rename "Human Input Devices" to just "Input Devices"
> On Dec. 11, 2014, 3:25 p.m., Lukáš Tinkl wrote: > > +1 > > > > And I actually wonder how the thing is translated in other languages > > because in Czech, I omitted the word "Human" on purpose as there is no way > > I could make it meaningful w/o looking like an alien word. Looking at the .desktop, most of the translations drop the "Human". - Eike --- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/#review71810 --- On Dec. 11, 2014, 2:43 p.m., Martin Klapetek wrote: > > --- > This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: > https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/ > --- > > (Updated Dec. 11, 2014, 2:43 p.m.) > > > Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability. > > > Repository: systemsettings > > > Description > --- > > The "Human" part feels strange (even though technically correct). Putting > just "Input devices" is stil correct and feels more natural > > > Diffs > - > > categories/settings-hardware-input.desktop ddc3204 > > Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/diff/ > > > Testing > --- > > > Thanks, > > Martin Klapetek > > ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Review Request 121449: Rename "Human Input Devices" to just "Input Devices"
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/#review71810 --- +1 And I actually wonder how the thing is translated in other languages because in Czech, I omitted the word "Human" on purpose as there is no way I could make it meaningful w/o looking like an alien word. - Lukáš Tinkl On Pro. 11, 2014, 3:43 odp., Martin Klapetek wrote: > > --- > This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: > https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/ > --- > > (Updated Pro. 11, 2014, 3:43 odp.) > > > Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability. > > > Repository: systemsettings > > > Description > --- > > The "Human" part feels strange (even though technically correct). Putting > just "Input devices" is stil correct and feels more natural > > > Diffs > - > > categories/settings-hardware-input.desktop ddc3204 > > Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/diff/ > > > Testing > --- > > > Thanks, > > Martin Klapetek > > ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Review Request 121449: Rename "Human Input Devices" to just "Input Devices"
> On Dec. 11, 2014, 3:19 p.m., Martin Gräßlin wrote: > > -1: there was probably a good reason to name it like that as the renaming > > process was done by our usability experts. We shouldn't dismiss their > > feedback just because we think it sounds strange. At the same time it's clear that KDE is too cis-species'd and this is offensive to both our alien user community and pets on keyboards. - Eike --- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/#review71808 --- On Dec. 11, 2014, 2:43 p.m., Martin Klapetek wrote: > > --- > This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: > https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/ > --- > > (Updated Dec. 11, 2014, 2:43 p.m.) > > > Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability. > > > Repository: systemsettings > > > Description > --- > > The "Human" part feels strange (even though technically correct). Putting > just "Input devices" is stil correct and feels more natural > > > Diffs > - > > categories/settings-hardware-input.desktop ddc3204 > > Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/diff/ > > > Testing > --- > > > Thanks, > > Martin Klapetek > > ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Review Request 121449: Rename "Human Input Devices" to just "Input Devices"
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/#review71808 --- -1: there was probably a good reason to name it like that as the renaming process was done by our usability experts. We shouldn't dismiss their feedback just because we think it sounds strange. - Martin Gräßlin On Dec. 11, 2014, 3:43 p.m., Martin Klapetek wrote: > > --- > This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: > https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/ > --- > > (Updated Dec. 11, 2014, 3:43 p.m.) > > > Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability. > > > Repository: systemsettings > > > Description > --- > > The "Human" part feels strange (even though technically correct). Putting > just "Input devices" is stil correct and feels more natural > > > Diffs > - > > categories/settings-hardware-input.desktop ddc3204 > > Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/diff/ > > > Testing > --- > > > Thanks, > > Martin Klapetek > > ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Review Request 121449: Rename "Human Input Devices" to just "Input Devices"
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/#review71807 --- +1 - Aleix Pol Gonzalez On Dec. 11, 2014, 2:43 p.m., Martin Klapetek wrote: > > --- > This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: > https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/ > --- > > (Updated Dec. 11, 2014, 2:43 p.m.) > > > Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability. > > > Repository: systemsettings > > > Description > --- > > The "Human" part feels strange (even though technically correct). Putting > just "Input devices" is stil correct and feels more natural > > > Diffs > - > > categories/settings-hardware-input.desktop ddc3204 > > Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/diff/ > > > Testing > --- > > > Thanks, > > Martin Klapetek > > ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Review Request 121449: Rename "Human Input Devices" to just "Input Devices"
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/#review71806 --- +1 - David Edmundson On Dec. 11, 2014, 2:43 p.m., Martin Klapetek wrote: > > --- > This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: > https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/ > --- > > (Updated Dec. 11, 2014, 2:43 p.m.) > > > Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability. > > > Repository: systemsettings > > > Description > --- > > The "Human" part feels strange (even though technically correct). Putting > just "Input devices" is stil correct and feels more natural > > > Diffs > - > > categories/settings-hardware-input.desktop ddc3204 > > Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/diff/ > > > Testing > --- > > > Thanks, > > Martin Klapetek > > ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Review Request 121449: Rename "Human Input Devices" to just "Input Devices"
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/ --- Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability. Repository: systemsettings Description --- The "Human" part feels strange (even though technically correct). Putting just "Input devices" is stil correct and feels more natural Diffs - categories/settings-hardware-input.desktop ddc3204 Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121449/diff/ Testing --- Thanks, Martin Klapetek ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
