[PLUG] Domain move...
I've been forced to move my static ip's to different ones because my ISP got bought out. At PSU at least, my second web server xerxes is apparently not being detected at the new number. I'm also noticing that my posts to this list don't seem to be showing up. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] What is changing with Linux 3.0.4?
The Linux 3.0.4 kernel is the current kernel. What is changing from the long running 2.6 series which has gotten up around 2.6.40 or so? CentOS 6 unfortunately is down at the 2.6.34 kernel level. I'm curious if there are stability and/or other end of life issues for the 2.6 kernel? Is it true that you have to have a gigabyte or more of ram now to install CentOS 6? Huh, my old servers don't have that. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] What is changing with Linux 3.0.4?
On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 00:19 -0700, Michael C. Robinson wrote: The Linux 3.0.4 kernel is the current kernel. What is changing from the long running 2.6 series which has gotten up around 2.6.40 or so? CentOS 6 unfortunately is down at the 2.6.34 kernel level. I'm curious if there are stability and/or other end of life issues for the 2.6 kernel? Is it true that you have to have a gigabyte or more of ram now to install CentOS 6? Huh, my old servers don't have that. I hope that David Mandel isn't the only person paying attention to my posts. He said himself that this Linux list is for the occasional discussion about non Linux OSS, but I'm being singled out it seems for community wide censorship. If that is the case, at least my complaint will make the mailing list on http://www.pdxlinux.org where people will hopefully see it and reconsider what they are doing. Censorship, especially when the person is asking about Linux on a Linux list, is just plain wrong. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Asterisk FXS ports...
Does anyone know what to add to extensions.conf in Asterisk 1.8 to allow dialing from FXS connected devices? ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] What is changing with Linux 3.0.4?
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011, Michael C. Robinson wrote: The Linux 3.0.4 kernel is the current kernel. What is changing from the long running 2.6 series which has gotten up around 2.6.40 or so? The 3.0.x series is just an incremental upgrade from 2.6.x. Linus wrote: START QUOTE So what are the big changes? NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. Sure, we have the usual two thirds driver changes, and a lot of random fixes, but the point is that 3.0 is *just* about renumbering, we are very much *not* doing a KDE-4 or a Gnome-3 here. No breakage, no special scary new features, nothing at all like that. We've been doing time-based releases for many years now, this is in no way about features. If you want an excuse for the renumbering, you really should look at the time-based one (20 years) instead. So no ABI changes, no API changes, no magical new features - just steady plodding progress. END QUOTE See http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1147415. CentOS 6 unfortunately is down at the 2.6.34 kernel level. I'm curious if there are stability and/or other end of life issues for the 2.6 kernel? Red Hat regularly backports security updates and other key enhancements from the current kernel into its production kernel. I imagine that process won't change at all with the renumbering. Is it true that you have to have a gigabyte or more of ram now to install CentOS 6? Huh, my old servers don't have that. You need to have that much for the graphical installer to run. You can still run the text installer with less than 1 GB, but you won't get access to as many install-time options. If you have a serious need to run CentOS 6 on a machine with less that a gigabyte of RAM, I suggest you learn how to configure and use the Red Hat/CentOS kickstart installation tools; that's the only route to a fully configurable installation on low-memory machines. PS: Ignoring you isn't censorship. Claiming it is completely and utterly devalues the experience of people who have actually been the victim of censors: those who have lost their livelihood, been cast into prison, or dragged to interminable legal proceedings. Your right to free speech does not now and never will mean that anyone has to listen to you. -- Paul Heinlein heinl...@madboa.com http://www.madboa.com/ ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] What is changing with Linux 3.0.4?
So then, replacing 2.6.34 with 3.0.4 should work just fine? How about for CentOS 6 which is traditionally behind for stability reasons? Is 3.0.4 more stable than 2.6.34? The Linux 3.0.4 kernel is the current kernel. What is changing from the long running 2.6 series which has gotten up around 2.6.40 or so? The 3.0.x series is just an incremental upgrade from 2.6.x. Linus wrote: START QUOTE So what are the big changes? NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. Sure, we have the usual two thirds driver changes, and a lot of random fixes, but the point is that 3.0 is *just* about renumbering, we are very much *not* doing a KDE-4 or a Gnome-3 here. No breakage, no special scary new features, nothing at all like that. We've been doing time-based releases for many years now, this is in no way about features. If you want an excuse for the renumbering, you really should look at the time-based one (20 years) instead. So no ABI changes, no API changes, no magical new features - just steady plodding progress. END QUOTE See http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1147415. CentOS 6 unfortunately is down at the 2.6.34 kernel level. I'm curious if there are stability and/or other end of life issues for the 2.6 kernel? Red Hat regularly backports security updates and other key enhancements from the current kernel into its production kernel. I imagine that process won't change at all with the renumbering. Is it true that you have to have a gigabyte or more of ram now to install CentOS 6? Huh, my old servers don't have that. You need to have that much for the graphical installer to run. You can still run the text installer with less than 1 GB, but you won't get access to as many install-time options. If you have a serious need to run CentOS 6 on a machine with less that a gigabyte of RAM, I suggest you learn how to configure and use the Red Hat/CentOS kickstart installation tools; that's the only route to a fully configurable installation on low-memory machines. PS: Ignoring you isn't censorship. Claiming it is completely and utterly devalues the experience of people who have actually been the victim of censors: those who have lost their livelihood, been cast into prison, or dragged to interminable legal proceedings. Your right to free speech does not now and never will mean that anyone has to listen to you. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] What is changing with Linux 3.0.4?
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011, Michael C. Robinson wrote: So then, replacing 2.6.34 with 3.0.4 should work just fine? How about for CentOS 6 which is traditionally behind for stability reasons? Is 3.0.4 more stable than 2.6.34? Unless you have a direct need for new feature in 3.0.4, I'd recommend against replacing a CentOS kernel. Strongly. If you have such a need, you'll have to get advice from someone else. I don't replace kernels on CentOS boxes. -- Paul Heinlein heinl...@madboa.com http://www.madboa.com/ ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] VOIP phones for Asterisk
Building an Asterisk system for my wife's office. 3 voice lines coming in. She Who Must Be Obeyed says, no hook switch flash, no touch tones, I want lights and buttons. So - suggestions for IP phones to look at or avoid? This is temporary. Long term, I want to use headsets and computer screens for the caller information and routing info, but short term we do it with buttons the old fashioned way. Interesting that someone and I are both working on Asterisk problems. God has a weird sense of humor, she does. Keith -- Keith Lofstrom kei...@keithl.com Voice (503)-520-1993 KLIC --- Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits --- Your Ideas in Silicon Design Contracting in Bipolar and CMOS - Analog, Digital, and Scan ICs ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VOIP phones for Asterisk
I enjoy the Cisco 7940. And I have several of them available... -wes On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Keith Lofstrom kei...@kl-ic.com wrote: Building an Asterisk system for my wife's office. 3 voice lines coming in. She Who Must Be Obeyed says, no hook switch flash, no touch tones, I want lights and buttons. So - suggestions for IP phones to look at or avoid? This is temporary. Long term, I want to use headsets and computer screens for the caller information and routing info, but short term we do it with buttons the old fashioned way. Interesting that someone and I are both working on Asterisk problems. God has a weird sense of humor, she does. Keith -- Keith Lofstrom kei...@keithl.com Voice (503)-520-1993 KLIC --- Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits --- Your Ideas in Silicon Design Contracting in Bipolar and CMOS - Analog, Digital, and Scan ICs ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VOIP phones for Asterisk
God is not a woman. God is a man, Mary's son, and Mary is his female mother. Calling God a woman is offensive to both me and Him. Please refrain from doing so again. Building an Asterisk system for my wife's office. 3 voice lines coming in. She Who Must Be Obeyed says, no hook switch flash, no touch tones, I want lights and buttons. So - suggestions for IP phones to look at or avoid? This is temporary. Long term, I want to use headsets and computer screens for the caller information and routing info, but short term we do it with buttons the old fashioned way. Interesting that someone and I are both working on Asterisk problems. God has a weird sense of humor, she does. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VOIP phones for Asterisk
Michael C. Robinson wrote: (omissions for brevity) ... is offensive to both me and Him. Please refrain from doing so again. Mickael K. Robenson At the risk of adding my email to those quite properly ignored ... How do you know what offends god ... oh, yeah, I answer my own question, sorry ... you said God so it must be your God, so of course you know Regards Fred James ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VOIP phones for Asterisk
On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 10:39 -0700, Michael C. Robinson wrote: God is not a woman. God is a man, Mary's son, and Mary is his female mother. Calling God a woman is offensive to both me and Him. Please refrain from doing so again. While I think Keith was just honoring his wife in a humorous way, I also respect those religions who believe in a supreme being who happens to be female. If you expect help from people on this list, if you even expect people on this list to listen to you, I suggest that you do more to motivate us to listen. In contrast, every time you react in this way, such as with references to God, censorship, ReactOS, etc. I suspect that you turn off almost all of us here -- with the possible exception of those who find entertainment through programs in the Jerry Springer mold. Thanks, Mike Building an Asterisk system for my wife's office. 3 voice lines coming in. She Who Must Be Obeyed says, no hook switch flash, no touch tones, I want lights and buttons. So - suggestions for IP phones to look at or avoid? This is temporary. Long term, I want to use headsets and computer screens for the caller information and routing info, but short term we do it with buttons the old fashioned way. Interesting that someone and I are both working on Asterisk problems. God has a weird sense of humor, she does. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VOIP phones for Asterisk
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:16:07AM -0700, Keith Lofstrom wrote: Building an Asterisk system for my wife's office. 3 voice lines coming in. She Who Must Be Obeyed says, no hook switch flash, no touch tones, I want lights and buttons. So - suggestions for IP phones to look at or avoid? Used/cheap is good. Ciscos are very common. For new/cheap, there's Aastra. For new/nice, Ciscos are popular, but Snoms are nicer. You've already discovered http://www.voip-info.org/ right? This is temporary. Long term, I want to use headsets and computer screens for the caller information and routing info, but short term we do it with buttons the old fashioned way. Hey, maybe by that time, phones will be obsolete. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
With Keith's baiting of me to get others upset, why are you upset with me??? I really do need help figuring out how to get FXS connected telephone handsets to dial out. I can dial to them, but I can't dial from them. Just so everyone is clear, God is a man. Second, He is the same God as your God because there is only one. Third, women were judges and land owners 2000 years ago, so Christ could have called women to the priesthood if He wanted to. Read the bible, Christ is clearly identified as a man and as God. Check the historical records of ancient Rome, Christ is identified as a man. And while we are on the subject if Keith has a privilege to post religious opinions that people won't censor, than I should be allowed to do the same without facing censorship. Maybe Keith you should be more professional and avoid religious/political controversy on a technical support list. If you and your wife want to call God a woman despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, please do it elsewhere. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
Why is everything you do or say the fault of someone else ... do other people control you to that extent? What universal hot line are you plugged into that you are so very sure of your knowledge? It is irrelevant because the desperation for certainty insures desperate uncertainty ... but I don't expect you to understand that I honestly don't care what gender you assign to your god/God, nor that you think that this is the god/God of any other person/persons. Regards Fred James Michael C. Robinson wrote: With Keith's baiting of me to get others upset, why are you upset with me??? I really do need help figuring out how to get FXS connected telephone handsets to dial out. I can dial to them, but I can't dial from them. Just so everyone is clear, God is a man. Second, He is the same God as your God because there is only one. Third, women were judges and land owners 2000 years ago, so Christ could have called women to the priesthood if He wanted to. Read the bible, Christ is clearly identified as a man and as God. Check the historical records of ancient Rome, Christ is identified as a man. And while we are on the subject if Keith has a privilege to post religious opinions that people won't censor, than I should be allowed to do the same without facing censorship. Maybe Keith you should be more professional and avoid religious/political controversy on a technical support list. If you and your wife want to call God a woman despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, please do it elsewhere. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
Hi Guys, I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we drop this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways to address such. - Benjamin Kerensa Team Lead Ubuntu Oregon Sent from my Palm Pixi on ATamp;T On Sep 27, 2011 8:46 PM, Fred James lt;fredj...@fredjame.cnc.netgt; wrote: Why is everything you do or say the fault of someone else ... do other people control you to that extent? What universal hot line are you plugged into that you are so very sure of your knowledge? It is irrelevant because the desperation for certainty insures desperate uncertainty ... but I don't expect you to understand that I honestly don't care what gender you assign to your god/God, nor that you think that this is the god/God of any other person/persons. Regards Fred James Michael C. Robinson wrote: gt; With Keith's baiting of me to get others upset, why are you upset with gt; me??? I really do need help figuring out how to get FXS connected gt; telephone handsets to dial out. I can dial to them, but I can't dial gt; from them. gt; gt; Just so everyone is clear, God is a man. Second, He is the same God gt; as your God because there is only one. Third, women were judges and gt; land owners 2000 years ago, so Christ could have called women to the gt; priesthood if He wanted to. Read the bible, Christ is clearly gt; identified as a man and as God. Check the historical records of ancient gt; Rome, Christ is identified as a man. And while we are on the subject if gt; Keith has a privilege to post religious opinions that people won't gt; censor, than I should be allowed to do the same without facing gt; censorship. Maybe Keith you should be more professional and avoid gt; religious/political controversy on a technical support list. If you and gt; your wife want to call God a woman despite overwhelming evidence to the gt; contrary, please do it elsewhere. gt; gt; ___ gt; PLUG mailing list gt; PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org gt; http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug gt; gt; ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
Not until I am afforded the same privileges and respect as Keith concerning this argument. If Keith has a right to put blatant and wrong religious statements on this Linux list, than anyone else should have the right to disagree with him both openly and intelligently. Disproportionately blaming this argument on one person is wrong, needs to stop, and it can only be stopped by the community. I am owed an apology for Keith's lack of professionalism and from other people as well who know who they are. I have been singled out for censorship but Keith has not and the sad truth is, I really do need help with Asterisk. The only reason Keith started this argument is to get me censored so that other people won't help me. This wasn't a joke between him and his wife, it was blatant trolling. Why can't the community see that and the list moderators reprimand him? On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 20:59 -0700, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: Hi Guys, I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we drop this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways to address such. - Benjamin Kerensa Team Lead Ubuntu Oregon ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we drop this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways to address such. - Benjamin Kerensa Team Lead Ubuntu Oregon I think you are wrong. I have been trying to be a part of this list for years where trouble has been ongoing. The Linux community may be welcoming somewhere else, but not here in Portland. I want to be a part of the Linux list in my community, but this community is very unchurched and way too liberal. This invariably comes up one way or another over and over and over. The liberals causing the problem, like Keith, are never criticized for their behavior and frankly they are never called on it. Nobody ever says, hey Keith, you are blatantly intolerant of the opposite viewpoint on an issue you shouldn't have brought up in the first place. Keith and others have not just done this once, this happens over and over and over. It is high time, it is past time for David Mandel or someone to take corrective action. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 20:59, Benjamin Kerensa bkere...@gmail.com wrote: I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we drop this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways to address such. It would, indeed, be awesome if folks could keep this off-topic religious discussion off this list. Aside from anything else, this divisive and unpleasant tone drives away valuable contributions and otherwise interesting members of the list; it would be a shame if we let that happen. Daniel -- ♲ Made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
Well Bill, you are wrong where trying to harass me privately is still harassment. At least by posting this on PLUG others can see that you are clearly part of the problem and not part of the solution. If people do leave this list, it will not be because I tried to logically and respectfully argue a different viewpoint to Keith's controversial and wrong religious statement. I'm still awaiting a community solution to the Keith can use this as a political/religious rag problem. If he is allowed to do so, I should be allowed to do so along with anyone else who wants to. That is called free speech by the way. If nobody should be allowed to do this, then nobody includes Keith. If I'm wrong and people do leave this list because they are intolerant of reasonable and correct religious beliefs, good riddance. On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 21:49 -0700, Bill Ensley wrote: Michael, There is a reason other lists kick you off. I'm sorry you can't see it. When you turn in a circle and everyone you see is wrong, perhaps it's not them. -Bill Ensley On 9/27/2011 2:14 PM, Michael C. Robinson wrote: Not until I am afforded the same privileges and respect as Keith concerning this argument. If Keith has a right to put blatant and wrong religious statements on this Linux list, than anyone else should have the right to disagree with him both openly and intelligently. Disproportionately blaming this argument on one person is wrong, needs to stop, and it can only be stopped by the community. I am owed an apology for Keith's lack of professionalism and from other people as well who know who they are. I have been singled out for censorship but Keith has not and the sad truth is, I really do need help with Asterisk. The only reason Keith started this argument is to get me censored so that other people won't help me. This wasn't a joke between him and his wife, it was blatant trolling. Why can't the community see that and the list moderators reprimand him? On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 20:59 -0700, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: Hi Guys, I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we drop this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways to address such. - Benjamin Kerensa Team Lead Ubuntu Oregon ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...
On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 21:44 -0700, Daniel Pittman wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 20:59, Benjamin Kerensa bkere...@gmail.com wrote: I'm unsure when this list became a religious or political debate forum but last I checked this is a linux user group general mailing list. Can we drop this argument shakehands and move on. There are better places and ways to address such. It would, indeed, be awesome if folks could keep this off-topic religious discussion off this list. Aside from anything else, this divisive and unpleasant tone drives away valuable contributions and otherwise interesting members of the list; it would be a shame if we let that happen. Daniel You just did let that happen by making this comment. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
