[PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
I have no problems loading any Web site I want except for one: grass.osgeo.org. It works for others (probably everyone in the world but me) and just will not load here using Firefox, Opera, or Chromium. Ping works; returns packets quickly. Please suggest where I might look for the source of this problem, or test I can run to identify what is blocking me. TIA, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: >I have no problems loading any Web site I want except for one: > grass.osgeo.org. It works for others (probably everyone in the world but > me) > and just will not load here using Firefox, Opera, or Chromium. Ping works; > returns packets quickly. > > When you say "will not load" - what do you get when you attempt to load the site? >Please suggest where I might look for the source of this problem, or > test > I can run to identify what is blocking me. > > When things get weird, I generally try to replicate the functionality of whatever isn't working in single steps to see at which step it's failing. You pinged, but did you check with other sources that the IP address you got for this host (grass.osgeo.org) is the same as what others get? If not, you can't know for sure just who or what you are pinging. I get 140.211.15.75. Once you verify that your DNS lookup was successful (returning the correct record, not just any record), you can start looking at protocol problems. Are you attempting to view this site via HTTPS? This site does not appear to support that. Next steps will depend heavily on what result you get when you try to view the site. -wes ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 08:21:59AM -0700, Rich Shepard wrote: >I have no problems loading any Web site I want except for one: > grass.osgeo.org. It works for others (probably everyone in the world but me) > and just will not load here using Firefox, Opera, or Chromium. Ping works; > returns packets quickly. You're right, it does work for (this limited test group of 1) others. Perhaps you've gotten to the age where your shouts have become self reflexive. Get off my grass! -- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon Be Appropriate && Follow Your Curiosity If we do not feel grateful for what we already have, what makes us think we’d be happy with more? ~ Anonymous ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
Rich Shepard wrote: > I have no problems loading any Web site I want except for one: > grass.osgeo.org. It works for others (probably everyone in the world but me) > and just will not load here using Firefox, Opera, or Chromium. Ping works; > returns packets quickly. > > Please suggest where I might look for the source of this problem, or test > I can run to identify what is blocking me. > > TIA, > > Rich > ___ > Rich, Clear your browser's cache. Cached pages sometimes interfere with loading a particular page. Ken ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, wes wrote: > When you say "will not load" - what do you get when you attempt to load the > site? Wes, The status line reads, "connecting," and the in-use spinner on the address bar goes counter-clockwise. For other sites, that lasts a second or two, then the address bar spinner goes clockwise and the page loads. > When things get weird, I generally try to replicate the functionality of > whatever isn't working in single steps to see at which step it's failing. Those steps are what are needed. > You pinged, but did you check with other sources that the IP address you > got for this host (grass.osgeo.org) is the same as what others get? If not, > you can't know for sure just who or what you are pinging. I > get 140.211.15.75. Yep, 140.211.15.75 > Once you verify that your DNS lookup was successful (returning the correct > record, not just any record), you can start looking at protocol problems. > Are you attempting to view this site via HTTPS? This site does not appear > to support that. Nope, only http. Here's more to consider: I went looking for mirror sites; they are located all over the world in two tiers, 1 and 2. The USA Tier 1 mirror also would not connect so it would not load. The European Tier 1 and Tier 2 servers in France, Germany, Italy, and Poland (two of 'em) all instantly popped up 404: Page not found errors. The only mirror I can access is http://grass.mirror.eruditium.org/index.php The only recent change here is the minor version upgrade in Firefox, but Opera and Chromium also will not connect to grass.osgeo.org. Thanks, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Ken Stephens wrote: > Clear your browser's cache. Cached pages sometimes interfere with loading > a particular page. Ken, From the firefox menu, History, I deleted everything. Looked in ~/.mozilla/firefox/ for a cache file but did not find one. Still cannot connect to that site. Thanks, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Joe Pruett wrote: > start off with simple stuff. is the ip that you get from ping the same > as other people get? i see 140.211.15.75. have you tried lynx or links > to open it? Joe, Yes, yes, and yes. Ping reports 140.211.15.75 and neither lynx nor links connects to that site. However, I think that I see the problem, but have no idea how it arose or what to do about it: When I enter the IP address in firefox's address bar the page that loads is for the Community Program Review page for the FOSS4G OSGEO Conference that was held here in Portland last week, not to the main GRASS web site. What do you see if you use the IP address in your browser? Thanks, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] CANCELLED: September PLUG Advanced Topics: NO KEYHOLDER, GREAT TOPIC
Portland Linux/Unix Group Advanced Topics Meeting Announcement September PLUG Advanced Topics: CANCELLED Leander H. has a great sounding talk entitled "Living Desktop Environment-Free" in the works but neither JJJ nor I can attend as keyholders. As it is short notice, I will not try to find an alternative AND I want to see this talk. I suggest you meet up at the Luck Lab if you need an excuse to get out of the house. Sorry about that. Michael Dexter PLUG Volunteer ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Joe Pruett wrote: > start off with simple stuff. is the ip that you get from ping the same > as other people get? i see 140.211.15.75. have you tried lynx or links > to open it? Joe, More information: [rshepard@salmo ~]$ host 140.211.15.75 75.15.211.140.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer projects.osgeo.osuosl.org. Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
rshep...@appl-ecosys.com said: > > On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Joe Pruett wrote: > > > start off with simple stuff. is the ip that you get from ping the same > > as other people get? i see 140.211.15.75. have you tried lynx or links > > to open it? > > Joe, > >More information: > > [rshepard@salmo ~]$ host 140.211.15.75 > 75.15.211.140.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer projects.osgeo.osuosl.org. > Have you tried just running wget from a shell and watching what it does? If it makes it all the way through then there's a problem with your browser. If it hangs somewhere you'll be able to see exactly what fetch was hanging. Are you using ad-blocking strategies? Maybe redirecting known ad sources in a way that would cause a request to appear to hang? ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, John Meissen wrote: > Have you tried just running wget from a shell and watching what it does? John, I have not. > If it makes it all the way through then there's a problem with your > browser. Are you using ad-blocking strategies? Maybe redirecting known ad > sources in a way that would cause a request to appear to hang? Same problem occurs with firefox, opera, chromium, lynx, and links. Adblock runs only on firefox. And this is the only web site I've tried accessing that has this issue, and I first noticed it only last Saturday. Always connected as quickly there as other sites before Saturday ... but it was a while ago when I last visited there. Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, John Meissen wrote: > >> Have you tried just running wget from a shell and watching what it does? > > John, > >I have not. > >> If it makes it all the way through then there's a problem with your >> browser. Are you using ad-blocking strategies? Maybe redirecting known ad >> sources in a way that would cause a request to appear to hang? > >Same problem occurs with firefox, opera, chromium, lynx, and links. > Adblock runs only on firefox. > >And this is the only web site I've tried accessing that has this issue, > and I first noticed it only last Saturday. Always connected as quickly there > as other sites before Saturday ... but it was a while ago when I last > visited there. > How about trying from a different machine, a laptop or another desktop? Bill ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Bill Barry wrote: > How about trying from a different machine, a laptop or another desktop? Bill, No joy; same problem. Must be something between here and there. Thanks, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
Rich, Since others including myself can get to the site try running traceroute grass.osgeo.org and see if it makes it through. I have had similar problems caused by a miss configured router out there in Internet land that didn't packets back through. Rod -- On September 16, 2014 2:25:20 PM Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Bill Barry wrote: > > > How about trying from a different machine, a laptop or another desktop? > > Bill, > >No joy; same problem. Must be something between here and there. > > Thanks, > > Rich > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Roderick A Anderson wrote: > Since others including myself can get to the site try running traceroute > grass.osgeo.org and see if it makes it through. Rod, I did this successfully. traceroute to grass.osgeo.org (140.211.15.75), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 router1.appl-ecosys.com (192.168.55.4) 4.542 ms 4.706 ms 6.467 ms 2 adr01.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net (74.42.148.192) 35.898 ms 38.720 ms 39.835 ms 3 ae6---0.car01.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net (74.42.151.133) 42.731 ms 45.694 ms 49.364 ms 4 ae2---0.cor01.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net (74.40.1.217) 56.690 ms 60.099 ms 61.585 ms 5 ae4---0.cor01.sttl.wa.frontiernet.net (74.40.1.221) 63.541 ms 88.673 ms 67.025 ms 6 ae0---0.cbr01.sttl.wa.frontiernet.net (74.40.5.122) 68.315 ms 65.665 ms 67.120 ms 7 six.transitrail.net (206.81.80.77) 67.219 ms 31.046 ms 37.703 ms 8 137.164.131.42 (137.164.131.42) 63.027 ms 66.214 ms 69.154 ms 9 vl-671.nero-gw.oregon-gigapop.net (198.32.163.210) 72.700 ms 75.603 ms 79.984 ms 10 corv-car1-gw.nero.net (207.98.64.39) 81.765 ms 83.661 ms 85.143 ms 11 projects.osgeo.osuosl.org (140.211.15.75) 88.141 ms 89.620 ms 91.295 ms That's what makes this so frustrating. > I have had similar problems caused by a mis-configured router out there in > Internet land that didn't ... packets back through. I don't see any problem here. Thanks, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Rich Shepard wrote: > traceroute to grass.osgeo.org (140.211.15.75), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets And to add insult to injury, I have no problems connecting to slackware.osuosl.org. Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Roderick A Anderson wrote: > > > Since others including myself can get to the site try running traceroute > > grass.osgeo.org and see if it makes it through. > > Rod, > >I did this successfully. > > traceroute to grass.osgeo.org (140.211.15.75), 30 hops max, 60 byte > packets > 1 router1.appl-ecosys.com (192.168.55.4) 4.542 ms 4.706 ms 6.467 ms > 2 adr01.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net (74.42.148.192) 35.898 ms 38.720 ms > 39.835 ms > 3 ae6---0.car01.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net (74.42.151.133) 42.731 ms > 45.694 > ms 49.364 ms > 4 ae2---0.cor01.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net (74.40.1.217) 56.690 ms > 60.099 > ms 61.585 ms > 5 ae4---0.cor01.sttl.wa.frontiernet.net (74.40.1.221) 63.541 ms > 88.673 > ms 67.025 ms > 6 ae0---0.cbr01.sttl.wa.frontiernet.net (74.40.5.122) 68.315 ms > 65.665 > ms 67.120 ms > 7 six.transitrail.net (206.81.80.77) 67.219 ms 31.046 ms 37.703 ms > 8 137.164.131.42 (137.164.131.42) 63.027 ms 66.214 ms 69.154 ms > 9 vl-671.nero-gw.oregon-gigapop.net (198.32.163.210) 72.700 ms > 75.603 ms > 79.984 ms > 10 corv-car1-gw.nero.net (207.98.64.39) 81.765 ms 83.661 ms 85.143 ms > 11 projects.osgeo.osuosl.org (140.211.15.75) 88.141 ms 89.620 ms > 91.295 > ms > >That's what makes this so frustrating. > > The fact that your browser can load http://140.211.15.75 but not http://grass.osgeo.org pretty much eliminates any issue that could exist between your workstation and the webserver. Remaining possibilities include an element on the page which is interrupting loading, or a server configuration which only affects your setup, or a small enough group that you're the only one among us who belongs to that group. -wes ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, wes wrote: > The fact that your browser can load http://140.211.15.75 but not > http://grass.osgeo.org pretty much eliminates any issue that could exist > between your workstation and the webserver. Remaining possibilities include > an element on the page which is interrupting loading, or a server > configuration which only affects your setup, or a small enough group that > you're the only one among us who belongs to that group. wes, It is quite irrational, I agree. That I could not load several of the mirrors may or may not be a related issue. At least now I can access a mirror site so I'll wait to see if something changes back in the future. Age discrimination? :-) Thanks, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, wes wrote: > >> The fact that your browser can load http://140.211.15.75 but not >> http://grass.osgeo.org pretty much eliminates any issue that could exist >> between your workstation and the webserver. Remaining possibilities include >> an element on the page which is interrupting loading, or a server >> configuration which only affects your setup, or a small enough group that >> you're the only one among us who belongs to that group. > > wes, > >It is quite irrational, I agree. That I could not load several of the > mirrors may or may not be a related issue. > >At least now I can access a mirror site so I'll wait to see if something > changes back in the future. > >Age discrimination? :-) Very likely just makes them load slower and look slightly blurry. > Only some of the mirrors work for me also. Do these match up with what you see? USA Tier 1 http site http://mirror.quintex.com/grass does not load http://grass.meteo.uni.wroc.pl/works http://grass.unibuc.ro/ 404 http://grass.milthi.me/works http://grass.fsv.cvut.cz/works don't see any listings for French, German or Italian mirrors on the current site. Bill ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 17:55:24 -0700 Bill Barry wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Rich Shepard > wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, wes wrote: > > > >> The fact that your browser can load http://140.211.15.75 but not > >> http://grass.osgeo.org pretty much eliminates any issue that could > >> exist between your workstation and the webserver. Remaining > >> possibilities include an element on the page which is interrupting > >> loading, or a server configuration which only affects your setup, > >> or a small enough group that you're the only one among us who > >> belongs to that group. > > > > wes, > > > >It is quite irrational, I agree. That I could not load several > > of the mirrors may or may not be a related issue. > > > >At least now I can access a mirror site so I'll wait to see if > > something changes back in the future. > > > >Age discrimination? :-) > > Very likely just makes them load slower and look slightly blurry. > > > > > Only some of the mirrors work for me also. Do these match up with > what you see? > > USA Tier 1 http site > http://mirror.quintex.com/grass does not load > > http://grass.meteo.uni.wroc.pl/works > > http://grass.unibuc.ro/ 404 > > http://grass.milthi.me/works > > http://grass.fsv.cvut.cz/works > > don't see any listings for French, German or Italian mirrors on the > current site. > > Bill For grins and giggles (and too much time on my hands), I tried all the mirrors listed on the grass.osgeo.org site. To wit: USA: quintex.com is down, both sites. Ping returns zero packets. Sweden: http://grass.milthi.me System is up, but server won't answer. Czech Republic: http://grass.fsv.cvut.cz System down; ping returns zero packets. Romania: http://grass.unibuc.ro System down; ping returns zero packets. Korea: http://pinus.gntech.ac.kr/grass Works Japan: http://wgrass.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp/grassh/ Works India: http://wgbis.ces.iisc.ernet.in/grass/Works Indonesia: http://grass.gis.co.id Site redirected to a shopping site, http://www.dealdiskon.com/ (The Grass site has the correct address, somebody is playing games.) China: http://grass.osgeo.cn/ Works South Africa: http://grass.mirror.ac.za Opens a page of links to many mirrors. The grass.mirror.ac.az link re-opens the links page. the ftp://grass.mirror.ac.za link works. Namibia: http://grass.polytechnic.edu.na/ Works The wiki site also works. Though I said that some of the systems were down, it's very possible that there's been an Internet hiccup of some sort. It's not like this sort of thing hasn't happened before. Hope this helps, or at least adds a few data points. --Dale -- "The attitude of 'Oh, you want it should work? That costs extra!' is the biggest security hole in computer software today." -- Anon., paraphrased (anybody know the real source?) signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
On Tuesday, September 16, 2014, Rich Shepard wrote: >I have no problems loading any Web site I want except for one: > grass.osgeo.org. It works for others (probably everyone in the world but > me) > and just will not load here using Firefox, Opera, or Chromium. Ping works; > returns packets quickly. > >Please suggest where I might look for the source of this problem, or > test > I can run to identify what is blocking me. > > TIA, > > Rich > > Rich Switch your /etc/resolve.conf or router to use OpenDNS or google's DNS servers I often have similar issues with Comcast DNS servers. -Ed -- You! What PLANET is this! -- McCoy, "The City on the Edge of Forever", stardate 3134.0 ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
> > > >Please suggest where I might look for the source of this problem, or > > test > > I can run to identify what is blocking me. > > > > TIA, > > > > Rich > > > > > Rich > > Switch your /etc/resolve.conf or router to use OpenDNS or google's DNS > servers > > I often have similar issues with Comcast DNS servers. > > -Ed > He can ping; it's not a DNS problem. -wes ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:26 PM, wes wrote: >> >> >>> Please suggest where I might look for the source of this problem, or >>> test >>> I can run to identify what is blocking me. >>> >>> TIA, >>> >>> Rich >>> >>> >> Rich >> >> Switch your /etc/resolve.conf or router to use OpenDNS or google's DNS >> servers >> >> I often have similar issues with Comcast DNS servers. >> >> -Ed >> > > > He can ping; it's not a DNS problem. > > -wes The tool you need is tcptraceroute, then you can test the specific port(s) that you can’t reach. Derek ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Derek Loree wrote: > > On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:26 PM, wes wrote: > > >> > >> > >>> Please suggest where I might look for the source of this problem, or > >>> test > >>> I can run to identify what is blocking me. > >>> > >>> TIA, > >>> > >>> Rich > >>> > >>> > >> Rich > >> > >> Switch your /etc/resolve.conf or router to use OpenDNS or google's DNS > >> servers > >> > >> I often have similar issues with Comcast DNS servers. > >> > >> -Ed > >> > > > > > > He can ping; it's not a DNS problem. > > > > -wes > > The tool you need is tcptraceroute, then you can test the specific port(s) > that you can’t reach. > > Derek > > He can load http://140.211.15.75, it's not a network problem. -wes ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 04:35:42PM -0700, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Rich Shepard wrote: > > > traceroute to grass.osgeo.org (140.211.15.75), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets > >And to add insult to injury, I have no problems connecting to > slackware.osuosl.org. Which raises the question, can you connect to http://osgeo.org or http://www.orgeo.org ? -- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon Be Appropriate && Follow Your Curiosity For me, it is a cause of some upset that more Anglophones don’t enjoy language. ~ Stephen Fry ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Identifying Why One Web Site Will Not Load
On 09/16/2014 08:26 PM, wes wrote: >> >> >>>Please suggest where I might look for the source of this problem, or >>> test >>> I can run to identify what is blocking me. >>> >>> TIA, >>> >>> Rich >>> >>> >> Rich >> >> Switch your /etc/resolve.conf or router to use OpenDNS or google's DNS >> servers >> >> I often have similar issues with Comcast DNS servers. >> >> -Ed >> > > > He can ping; it's not a DNS problem. > > -wes > Ping doesn't mean diddly squat. It just means that whatever IP was served back is responding to a ping packet. The only way to verify the correct DNS lookup is to swap DNS servers. -Ed ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
