[PLUG] Folder creation/renaming quandary
Xubuntu 14.04.3 up to date. Normally I do all my file manipulations in the GUI (Thunar), but this time it is failing me. Oddly, I get the same strange results from the command line as well. I have ripped and encoded a DVD that I own of the movie '8½ 1963' (arguably Fellini's crowning achievement). The filename is 8½ 1963.mkv, created by Handbrake. Now I wish to create a folder of the same name (sans .mkv, of course). Thunar says it can't do this because 'the file already exists.' But I am clicking on "create folder,' so Thunar should realize that I am creating a folder, not a file. From the command line: mkdir 8½ 1963 Resulted in a folder '8½' being created, apocopating the year. Then it dawned on me that the command line didn't like the space, so I did: mkdir 8½\ 1963 Which resulted in the same error message as Thunar: mkdir: cannot create directory ‘8½ 1963’: File exists At this point I just renamed 8½ 1963.mkv by appending a dash to the name: 8½ 1963-.mkv. But it didn't make any difference; Thunar and the command line continue to give me the same error messages. Also, having renamed 8½ 1963.mkv to 8½ 1963-.mkv I used Catfish to search for 8½ 1963.mkv, and it said there were no such files anywhere in my entire filesystem. Note that the filename uses Unicode 00BD, rather than 1/2. I had to do this because Linux correctly thought that the / was a folder and wouldn't let Handbrake create it as 8 1/2.mkv. (To get this on your computer just type Ctrl-Shift-u, then 'bd.') I may be doing something stupid, but I can't figure out what it might be. Or maybe ext4 is doing something stupid. Suggestions? ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Folder creation/renaming quandary
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016, John Jason Jordan wrote: > From the command line: > >mkdir 8½ 1963 Linux doesn't like spaces in file/directory names. Consider naming your directory 8.5-1963/ and put the file (preferably with out spaces in the name) under that. In linux and other unices everything is a file. Ergo, you cannot have directories and individual files with the same name. Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Cascadia IT Conference (apologize for the html)
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Re: [PLUG] Folder creation/renaming quandary
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > >In linux and other unices everything is a file. Ergo, you cannot have > directories and individual files with the same name. > > "...cannot have ... individual files with the same name." in the same directory. But what directory is the directory in? I just created a file named Desktop in the folder Desktop. -Denis ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Folder creation/renaming quandary
On 02/24/2016 01:18 PM, Denis Heidtmann wrote: > On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Rich Shepard > wrote: >> In linux and other unices everything is a file. Ergo, you cannot have >> directories and individual files with the same name. >> >> "...cannot have ... individual files with the same name." in the same > directory. But what directory is the directory in? > > I just created a file named Desktop in the folder Desktop. And I have files with spaces in the names. -- Regards, Dick Steffens ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Folder creation/renaming quandary
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016, Denis Heidtmann wrote: > I just created a file named Desktop in the folder Desktop. Denis, Interesting. I didn't know it could be done. Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Folder creation/renaming quandary
On 02/24/2016 01:31 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Wed, 24 Feb 2016, Denis Heidtmann wrote: > >> I just created a file named Desktop in the folder Desktop. > > Denis, > > Interesting. I didn't know it could be done. The directory and file may not be at the same level, but they may be nested without issues. dafr ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Folder creation/renaming quandary
On 02/24/2016 01:28 PM, Dick Steffens wrote: > On 02/24/2016 01:18 PM, Denis Heidtmann wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Rich Shepard >> wrote: >>> In linux and other unices everything is a file. Ergo, you cannot have >>> directories and individual files with the same name. >>> >>>"...cannot have ... individual files with the same name." in the same >> directory. But what directory is the directory in? >> >> I just created a file named Desktop in the folder Desktop. > > And I have files with spaces in the names. > > Spaces work fine if you escape them, but when it comes to scripting things to manipulate files and such and working from the command line, it makes escaping the space very, very challenging if not impossible. As such, the use of a space (and special characters such as the funky 1/2 being used) is generally *highly* discouraged. If you are willing to use these characters you welcome to do so, but please don't complain when those characters break things for you in the future. dafr ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Folder creation/renaming quandary
> > > mkdir 8½\ 1963 > > Which resulted in the same error message as Thunar: > > mkdir: cannot create directory ‘8½ 1963’: File exists > > ... I just renamed 8½ 1963.mkv to 8½ 1963-.mkv ... > > ... search for 8½ 1963.mkv, and it said there were no such files ... > > you did not specify whether you searched for "8½ 1963" to see if, perhaps, it actually does already exist? perhaps one of your earlier attempts succeeded, and you didn't notice? "8½ 1963" is a different name from "8½ 1963.mkv" so this should not be the cause of your name collision. perhaps try creating the directory named "8½ 1963" some place else, and then move the file "8½ 1963.mkv" into it (assuming this is your goal, you didn't specify that either), to help determine whether this is an issue with the unicode character doing something unpredicted, or some issue with the parent directory (like the name actually already existing)? then if that works, you can try moving the new "8½ 1963" directory into the desired parent directory and see what happens. -wes ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Folder creation/renaming quandary
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 13:32:40 -0800 David dijo: >On 02/24/2016 01:31 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: >> On Wed, 24 Feb 2016, Denis Heidtmann wrote: >> >>> I just created a file named Desktop in the folder Desktop. >> >> Denis, >> >> Interesting. I didn't know it could be done. > >The directory and file may not be at the same level, but they may be >nested without issues. But I continued to get the same error message even after I renamed the file. Thus, the file and directory name were different. And Catfish said that no file with the same name as the folder existed. Regarding spaces and scripts, I have only a couple very short scripts that I use, and they do not access files or folders with spaces in them. Furthermore, I usually use Gnome terminal, which happily automatically escapes all spaces in files that I copy and paste into it. I would say that the majority of files that I create have spaces in them, and I never have a problem. As for the 'funky' ½ character, that is a valid codepoint in UTF-8. Is Xubuntu or ext4 not UTF-8 compliant? I use far 'funkier' characters in filenames all the time when I need a transcription in IPA. Considering that the error messages that Thunar and Gnome terminal are giving me say 'the *file* already exists' leads me to conclude that somehow the filesystem thinks I am creating a file rather than a folder. Moreover, the file that it thinks exists does not actually exist. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Folder creation/renaming quandary
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 2:14 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 13:32:40 -0800 > David dijo: > > >On 02/24/2016 01:31 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > >> On Wed, 24 Feb 2016, Denis Heidtmann wrote: > >> > >>> I just created a file named Desktop in the folder Desktop. > >> > >> Denis, > >> > >> Interesting. I didn't know it could be done. > > > >The directory and file may not be at the same level, but they may be > >nested without issues. > > But I continued to get the same error message even after I renamed the > file. Thus, the file and directory name were different. And Catfish > said that no file with the same name as the folder existed. > > Regarding spaces and scripts, I have only a couple very short scripts > that I use, and they do not access files or folders with spaces in > them. Furthermore, I usually use Gnome terminal, which happily > automatically escapes all spaces in files that I copy and paste into > it. I would say that the majority of files that I create have spaces in > them, and I never have a problem. > > As for the 'funky' ½ character, that is a valid codepoint in UTF-8. Is > Xubuntu or ext4 not UTF-8 compliant? I use far 'funkier' characters in > filenames all the time when I need a transcription in IPA. > > Considering that the error messages that Thunar and Gnome terminal are > giving me say 'the *file* already exists' leads me to conclude that > somehow the filesystem thinks I am creating a file rather than a folder. > Moreover, the file that it thinks exists does not actually exist. > > the error message will claim "the file already exists" whether it's a file, directory, or anything else. -wes ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Folder creation/renaming quandary
On 02/24/2016 02:14 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 13:32:40 -0800 > David dijo: > >> On 02/24/2016 01:31 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: >>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2016, Denis Heidtmann wrote: >>> I just created a file named Desktop in the folder Desktop. >>> >>> Denis, >>> >>> Interesting. I didn't know it could be done. >> >> The directory and file may not be at the same level, but they may be >> nested without issues. > > But I continued to get the same error message even after I renamed the > file. Thus, the file and directory name were different. And Catfish > said that no file with the same name as the folder existed. Having no experience with Catfish, I can't help you here. Perhaps the filesystem has a phantom memory of a file or directory with the exact name you are trying to create. To clear this, try to umount the partition and run fsck on it. If that isn't possible, you may also consider a 'find' on the directory with the _exact_ name as the target. > Regarding spaces and scripts, I have only a couple very short scripts > that I use, and they do not access files or folders with spaces in > them. Furthermore, I usually use Gnome terminal, which happily > automatically escapes all spaces in files that I copy and paste into > it. I would say that the majority of files that I create have spaces in > them, and I never have a problem. If your tools suit your needs, please continue to use them. You appear to be a power user and I have more of an operations background where scripts that call lists and use variables for operations, the spaces are more difficult to escape or predict in behavior. I'm naturally pointy-clicky averse, so my experience is different than yours. > As for the 'funky' ½ character, that is a valid codepoint in UTF-8. Is > Xubuntu or ext4 not UTF-8 compliant? I use far 'funkier' characters in > filenames all the time when I need a transcription in IPA. In my experience, any character that requires multiple keystrokes are equally avoided for the above reasons. There is nothing wrong with them, but they may break other things in odd ways down the road. I can only hope this is NOT the case for you. > Considering that the error messages that Thunar and Gnome terminal are > giving me say 'the *file* already exists' leads me to conclude that > somehow the filesystem thinks I am creating a file rather than a folder. > Moreover, the file that it thinks exists does not actually exist. Yes, the inode table seems to think the name is in use in that directory. See my above remarks about fsck and find. Good luck. dafr ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Folder creation/renaming quandary
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:00:56 -0800 David dijo: >> But I continued to get the same error message even after I renamed >> the file. Thus, the file and directory name were different. And >> Catfish said that no file with the same name as the folder existed. > >Having no experience with Catfish, I can't help you here. Perhaps the >filesystem has a phantom memory of a file or directory with the exact >name you are trying to create. To clear this, try to umount the >partition and run fsck on it. If that isn't possible, you may also >consider a 'find' on the directory with the _exact_ name as the target. It certainly is acting as though there is a phantom memory of a file or directory, so I had high hopes that umounting and running fsck would solve the problem. Sadly: jjj@Devil-Bonobo:/media/jjj$ sudo fsck /dev/sdc1 [sudo] password for jjj: fsck from util-linux 2.20.1 e2fsck 1.42.9 (4-Feb-2014) Movies: clean, 5360/152621056 files, 264645440/1220942336 blocks After remounting the error message continues. I discovered that if I replace the space with a dot the folder is created without error. I did not change the '½' character, so this should at least demonstrate that it is unlikely that my '½' character is the cause of the problem. And most of the hundreds of folders in that partition have spaces in them, so nothing is adding up here. At some point I must continue with my life, so I'm just going to leave folder with the dot in it and move on. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] proxy.pac
Greetings all,
I have created a SOCKS proxy on a remote server that listens on port
:5150 and have manually configured my browsers (Chrome, Firefox) to
use it.
As the next step, I would like to create a proxy.pac file to
automatically configure my web browsers to use the SOCKS proxy. I
have created a proxy.pac file similar to the one on this page:
https://mikewest.org/2007/01/auto-configuring-proxy-settings-with-a-pac-file
which looks like this:
function FindProxyForURL(url, host) {
return "SOCKS 10.1.2.10:5150";
}
It seems to work. Except, that when I change the proxy port on the
remote from :5150 to :5151, my browser still is able to connect to
remote sites.
I have a number of questions, but foremost is, how can I tell if the
browser is using the proxy or not?
Regards,
- Robert
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Re: [PLUG] proxy.pac
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Robert Citek wrote:
> Greetings all,
>
> I have created a SOCKS proxy on a remote server that listens on port
> :5150 and have manually configured my browsers (Chrome, Firefox) to
> use it.
>
> As the next step, I would like to create a proxy.pac file to
> automatically configure my web browsers to use the SOCKS proxy. I
> have created a proxy.pac file similar to the one on this page:
>
> https://mikewest.org/2007/01/auto-configuring-proxy-settings-with-a-pac-file
>
> which looks like this:
>
> function FindProxyForURL(url, host) {
> return "SOCKS 10.1.2.10:5150";
> }
>
> It seems to work. Except, that when I change the proxy port on the
> remote from :5150 to :5151, my browser still is able to connect to
> remote sites.
>
> I have a number of questions, but foremost is, how can I tell if the
> browser is using the proxy or not?
>
Would whatismyip.com distinguish them?
Bill
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Re: [PLUG] Folder creation/renaming quandary
On 02/24/2016 05:37 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:00:56 -0800 > David dijo: > >>> But I continued to get the same error message even after I renamed >>> the file. Thus, the file and directory name were different. And >>> Catfish said that no file with the same name as the folder existed. >> >> Having no experience with Catfish, I can't help you here. Perhaps the >> filesystem has a phantom memory of a file or directory with the exact >> name you are trying to create. To clear this, try to umount the >> partition and run fsck on it. If that isn't possible, you may also >> consider a 'find' on the directory with the _exact_ name as the target. > > It certainly is acting as though there is a phantom memory of a file or > directory, so I had high hopes that umounting and running fsck would > solve the problem. Sadly: > > jjj@Devil-Bonobo:/media/jjj$ sudo fsck /dev/sdc1 > [sudo] password for jjj: > fsck from util-linux 2.20.1 > e2fsck 1.42.9 (4-Feb-2014) > Movies: clean, 5360/152621056 files, 264645440/1220942336 blocks > > After remounting the error message continues. Well, quite honestly it was a long shot at best (IMO) and I didn't have a lot of faith in it, but something to try. It's still worth using the find to see what returns: $ find /media/jjj/$WHATEVER -name "8½ 1963" -ls This is just a sample that may return something, and then again it may not. There are a lot of options with this command, this is just a simple test. > I discovered that if I replace the space with a dot the folder is > created without error. I did not change the '½' character, so this > should at least demonstrate that it is unlikely that my '½' character > is the cause of the problem. And most of the hundreds of folders in > that partition have spaces in them, so nothing is adding up here. That is consistent with a file or directory by that exact name existing already and the system won't let you execute the mkdir as a result. > At some point I must continue with my life, so I'm just going to leave > folder with the dot in it and move on. There is always that dafr ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] proxy.pac
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 7:56 PM, Bill Barry wrote: > On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Robert Citek wrote: >> I have a number of questions, but foremost is, how can I tell if the >> browser is using the proxy or not? > > Would whatismyip.com distinguish them? That worked perfectly. Thanks, Bill. Now I know my manual proxy settings work just fine, but my proxy.pac file does not. I'll post details on that after I try a few more things. Regards, - Robert ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
