Re: [PLUG] Linux Laptop Recommendation

2016-11-14 Thread Russell Senior
> "Michael" == Michael Barnes  writes:

Michael> Yes, but can a chromebook be wiped and reinstalled with Linux?

In many cases, yes.  Look up "GalliumOS".  Before that, there was
crouton, which is basically running a "real" linux in a VM, though I
found that rather unsatisfying.  There are many different Chromebook
models, and some work better than others.

I am running GalliumOS, and it works well on my device.  The keyboard is
slightly limited.  You can get F1 through F10 rather easily.  F11 and
F12 are a bit trickier. Installation was slightly scary, and you need to
wake through some alphabet soup of model names (I have a SWANKY and a
GANDOF, different model years of the Toshiba CB2) but ultimately very
easy.  I needed to install a new BIOS to enable booting non-chrome.


Storage space is a bit limited (16GB) as well, though the SSD is
replaceable with some disassembly, and it has an SD slot.  I haven't
replaced the SSD or, for that matter, needed to do it.


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Re: [PLUG] Linux job hunting...

2016-11-14 Thread John Sechrest
Just a quick note from Seattle There are lots and lots of job
opportunities for tech talent in Seattle.

But as people have been saying... The best way to get hired is to clearly
show a passion for doing coding and to have a good github repository and
evidence of programming as a passion.


On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Cryptomonkeys.org  wrote:

>
> > On Nov 14, 2016, at 8:10 AM, Michael C. Robinson <
> mich...@robinson-west.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a major problem, I'm a college grad in computer science with 0
> > years of experience.  That PSU allows this when granting a degree is
> > sad, but that's another issue for another time.  Everything I can find
> > is for senior level people and a lot of the programming jobs require
> > .NET or some other Microsoft thing.  Short of an internship, no college
> > graduate can have experience programming in a Linux or any other
> > environment professionally.  How do you land a job in this market? With
> > Intel laying off so many senior level people, I cannot compete with the
> > talent out there.  The tech industry in Oregon doesn't need college
> > graduates and doesn't seem to want them either.
> >
> > I'm thinking of volunteering somewhere, possibly at freegeek.  Thing
> > is, I need coding experience.  The only other thing I can think to do
> > is build a code repository and certify in Java.  Don't know if there
> > are Python, C++, PHP, and Perl certifications that companies care
> > about.  I'm looking at seasonal work in retail because I can't get a
> > computer job.  That doesn't cut it, I worked too hard for a degree in
> > computer science to be shut out of the field.  I need in, I'm too old
> > to wait: 1, 5, or 10 years longer for that first progamming job.  I've
> > been job hunting for 2 years as it is.
> >
> > Interested in any good tips or advice people may have.  I admit I'm
> > discouraged, but I'm not giving up.  Giving up won't solve the problem
> > of being unable to land that first programming job.  This isn't a
> > situation I want to deal with much longer, an entry level programming
> > job would be very welcome.  Barring that, all I can think to do is
> > prove I have the experience necessary to function in a more senior
> > position.  That's a heck of a place to start though.
> >
>
> Speaking as somebody who went to school in oregon and got a degree, I
> would concur that there is much more talent that wants to be in Portland
> than companies looking for said talent. This is not a problem if you are in
> demand. For everybody else, the easiest thing is probably to go where
> people are hiring. I spent 7yrs in the bay area. Being fresh out of school
> (even though I’d taught several courses on the way; sucks when you have a
> required course and no instructor), I clearly wasn’t the expert. I made
> sure that everyplace I got a job, I was not the expert. I wanted to know
> what other people did, why they did it, how they did it.  I went to user
> groups, I met amazing people. I have some experience. I even have some
> ideas on how I’d do *some* things differently. I still don’t know enough to
> be in demand in Portland. At some point, I’d like to move back, but I can’t
> say when it will be. Is it what I originally wanted? No. Have I had a good
> time doing things I never thought I would? Yeah. I’ve had a great time.
> I’ve had amazing opportunities, and I expect that will continue. A good
> opportunity doesn’t always show up in the form you want, or expect. Be
> willing to knock on doors. Something will open.
>
> Additionally, if you know you want to write code, do it. There are lots of
> resume building possibilities by taking part in a F/OSS project, or writing
> your own app and putting it on github. If you want a website, you could use
> something like pelican (you mentioned python). Write a module/plugin for
> it. Detail the process you went through on the website. Maybe you have more
> things you want to write, you can use your website to advertise for it (it
> can also have a copy of your CV). Maybe consulting opportunities will pop
> up after you have some work that people can look at.
>
> Lastly, I would visit all the CS profs you are on good terms with and let
> them know what your situation is and see if they have any advice. They may
> have connections to introduce you to people. They may have an internship
> that could turn into a job (most internships are paid, and people who do
> well are frequently invited back). My employer just hired a woman who did
> an internship over the summer (she starts after graduation next summer).
>
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Re: [PLUG] Linux job hunting...

2016-11-14 Thread Cryptomonkeys.org

> On Nov 14, 2016, at 8:10 AM, Michael C. Robinson  
> wrote:
> 
> I have a major problem, I'm a college grad in computer science with 0
> years of experience.  That PSU allows this when granting a degree is
> sad, but that's another issue for another time.  Everything I can find
> is for senior level people and a lot of the programming jobs require
> .NET or some other Microsoft thing.  Short of an internship, no college
> graduate can have experience programming in a Linux or any other
> environment professionally.  How do you land a job in this market? With
> Intel laying off so many senior level people, I cannot compete with the
> talent out there.  The tech industry in Oregon doesn't need college
> graduates and doesn't seem to want them either.
> 
> I'm thinking of volunteering somewhere, possibly at freegeek.  Thing
> is, I need coding experience.  The only other thing I can think to do
> is build a code repository and certify in Java.  Don't know if there
> are Python, C++, PHP, and Perl certifications that companies care
> about.  I'm looking at seasonal work in retail because I can't get a
> computer job.  That doesn't cut it, I worked too hard for a degree in
> computer science to be shut out of the field.  I need in, I'm too old
> to wait: 1, 5, or 10 years longer for that first progamming job.  I've
> been job hunting for 2 years as it is.
> 
> Interested in any good tips or advice people may have.  I admit I'm
> discouraged, but I'm not giving up.  Giving up won't solve the problem
> of being unable to land that first programming job.  This isn't a
> situation I want to deal with much longer, an entry level programming
> job would be very welcome.  Barring that, all I can think to do is
> prove I have the experience necessary to function in a more senior
> position.  That's a heck of a place to start though.
> 

Speaking as somebody who went to school in oregon and got a degree, I would 
concur that there is much more talent that wants to be in Portland than 
companies looking for said talent. This is not a problem if you are in demand. 
For everybody else, the easiest thing is probably to go where people are 
hiring. I spent 7yrs in the bay area. Being fresh out of school (even though 
I’d taught several courses on the way; sucks when you have a required course 
and no instructor), I clearly wasn’t the expert. I made sure that everyplace I 
got a job, I was not the expert. I wanted to know what other people did, why 
they did it, how they did it.  I went to user groups, I met amazing people. I 
have some experience. I even have some ideas on how I’d do *some* things 
differently. I still don’t know enough to be in demand in Portland. At some 
point, I’d like to move back, but I can’t say when it will be. Is it what I 
originally wanted? No. Have I had a good time doing things I never thought I 
would? Yeah. I’ve had a great time. I’ve had amazing opportunities, and I 
expect that will continue. A good opportunity doesn’t always show up in the 
form you want, or expect. Be willing to knock on doors. Something will open.

Additionally, if you know you want to write code, do it. There are lots of 
resume building possibilities by taking part in a F/OSS project, or writing 
your own app and putting it on github. If you want a website, you could use 
something like pelican (you mentioned python). Write a module/plugin for it. 
Detail the process you went through on the website. Maybe you have more things 
you want to write, you can use your website to advertise for it (it can also 
have a copy of your CV). Maybe consulting opportunities will pop up after you 
have some work that people can look at.

Lastly, I would visit all the CS profs you are on good terms with and let them 
know what your situation is and see if they have any advice. They may have 
connections to introduce you to people. They may have an internship that could 
turn into a job (most internships are paid, and people who do well are 
frequently invited back). My employer just hired a woman who did an internship 
over the summer (she starts after graduation next summer).

--
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Cryptomonkeys:   http://www.cryptomonkeys.com/

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Re: [PLUG] Linux Laptop Recommendation

2016-11-14 Thread Tom
Done that (googled the thing many times).

I was hoping for hands on experience and opinion from someone who has
replaced Crome with Linux and is experienced Linux user to notice the
lack of Fxx keys. So far I've seen only ChromeBooks running linux from
an SD card by various people I know in some dual boot way; Or blogs
about that it can be done - not really elaborating about the
practicality of doing it.

Thanks, Tom

On Mon, 2016-11-14 at 13:46 -0800, Chuck Hast wrote:
> Google is your friend:
> install linux on chromebook
> will return you a long list of hot to and what to do entries
> 
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Michael Barnes <
> barnmich...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Yes, but can a chromebook be wiped and reinstalled with Linux?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 3:40 AM, Russell Senior <
> > russ...@personaltelco.net
> > > 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > > > > > > "Josiah" == Josiah Luscher 
> > > > > > > > writes:
> > > 
> > > Josiah> Just my 2¢.  Shop first for speed, it's both the thing
> > > that
> > > Josiah> costs and the thing that will make your computer last
> > > IMHO.  I
> > > Josiah> paid the Windows tax and the spinning ferrous disk tax
> > > and got
> > > Josiah> an ASUS X540L for ~$350.  If I did it again I'd get a
> > > better
> > > Josiah> screen, it's fairly low resolution.
> > > 
> > > For me, a laptop is more about mobility, longevity and
> > > connectivity, so
> > > light-weight, a good display, a usable keyboard, good wifi
> > > drivers and
> > > battery life are prime features.  With a network connection, I
> > > can ssh
> > > to a "real" CPU to do computation.
> > > 
> > > I actually type on a Toshiba Chromebook 2 (2015) more than
> > > anything
> > > else, about $300.
> > > 
> > > 
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Re: [PLUG] Linux Laptop Recommendation

2016-11-14 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016, Tom wrote:

> As I mentioned before, I got HP Stream 11, but I am thinking about getting
> one cheap laptop to prevent over-subscriptions teen fights.

Tom,

   Consider buying a couple of small Dells. I bought a Dell Latitude 2100 on
eBay for $50 and it works with linux (as do other Dell Latitudes and, I
presume, their other model lines).

   Looks like you don't need to support an enterprise on these so older,
32-bit portables might be your best choice.

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Re: [PLUG] Linux job hunting...

2016-11-14 Thread Pete Lancashire
Here's a few of my thoughts

First an experience for a PSU CS graduate. He could not and still can not
write in a language of his choice a program that outputs the string "Hello
World"

I hope this does not reflect the typical graduate and also hope the a
potential hiring company knows.

What are your skills out writhing software that

 - fits in a small code space ?
 - you know how to make code wiggle a voltage on an electrical wire ? As in
make bit 5 of word 123 go low ?
 - and many more like that

Go but a couple of the little < $20 single board computers that run Linux
or Android. Learn to get time to do things that are real world, as in make
an LED light up, or send a TCP/IP based wireless message that some one
caused a PIR sensor to change state (Learn with PIR means).

Oh yea .. we are taking C maybe C++ here.

Why, there is going to be a lot and there is quite a bit now of need for
remote wireless I/O, Not only the scary IOT stuff, but even without that
there is a growing need for sensors and actuators to become smarter and
wireless. Read up on what the manufacturing industry is up to, go find out
how many sensors are in a chemical plant.

Not interested in the real world ? Well that's not me so learn this weeks
latest bloatware programming environment and join the crowd as in get in
line.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:10 AM, Michael C. Robinson <
mich...@robinson-west.com> wrote:

> I have a major problem, I'm a college grad in computer science with 0
> years of experience.  That PSU allows this when granting a degree is
> sad, but that's another issue for another time.  Everything I can find
> is for senior level people and a lot of the programming jobs require
> .NET or some other Microsoft thing.  Short of an internship, no college
> graduate can have experience programming in a Linux or any other
> environment professionally.  How do you land a job in this market? With
> Intel laying off so many senior level people, I cannot compete with the
> talent out there.  The tech industry in Oregon doesn't need college
> graduates and doesn't seem to want them either.
>
> I'm thinking of volunteering somewhere, possibly at freegeek.  Thing
> is, I need coding experience.  The only other thing I can think to do
> is build a code repository and certify in Java.  Don't know if there
> are Python, C++, PHP, and Perl certifications that companies care
> about.  I'm looking at seasonal work in retail because I can't get a
> computer job.  That doesn't cut it, I worked too hard for a degree in
> computer science to be shut out of the field.  I need in, I'm too old
> to wait: 1, 5, or 10 years longer for that first progamming job.  I've
> been job hunting for 2 years as it is.
>
> Interested in any good tips or advice people may have.  I admit I'm
> discouraged, but I'm not giving up.  Giving up won't solve the problem
> of being unable to land that first programming job.  This isn't a
> situation I want to deal with much longer, an entry level programming
> job would be very welcome.  Barring that, all I can think to do is
> prove I have the experience necessary to function in a more senior
> position.  That's a heck of a place to start though.
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Re: [PLUG] Linux Laptop Recommendation

2016-11-14 Thread Tom
As I mentioned before, I got HP Stream 11, but I am thinking about
getting one cheap laptop to prevent over-subscriptions teen fights. I
understand that my life will become more interesting looking for two
laptops, instead of one, hidden somewhere "by accident". While another
"blue" laptop is probably the best choice in my circumstances, I've
been looking at ChromeBooks for a while.

Beside Michael's Q, how do you boot this thing when you completely wipe
the small 16GB SSD on laptop without normal BIOS 

How do you work around lack of functional keys (F1-F12) on ChromeBooks?
I use the Fxx keys often when using Linux, and it often saves the day
when you cannot get to X for whatever reason.

I hope that I am not hijacking this thread from Michael by asking this,
Tomas

On Mon, 2016-11-14 at 13:14 -0800, Michael Barnes wrote:
> Yes, but can a chromebook be wiped and reinstalled with Linux?
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 3:40 AM, Russell Senior <
> russ...@personaltelco.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > > > > > > "Josiah" == Josiah Luscher  writes:
> > 
> > Josiah> Just my 2¢.  Shop first for speed, it's both the thing that
> > Josiah> costs and the thing that will make your computer last IMHO.
> >   I
> > Josiah> paid the Windows tax and the spinning ferrous disk tax and
> > got
> > Josiah> an ASUS X540L for ~$350.  If I did it again I'd get a
> > better
> > Josiah> screen, it's fairly low resolution.
> > 
> > For me, a laptop is more about mobility, longevity and
> > connectivity, so
> > light-weight, a good display, a usable keyboard, good wifi drivers
> > and
> > battery life are prime features.  With a network connection, I can
> > ssh
> > to a "real" CPU to do computation.
> > 
> > I actually type on a Toshiba Chromebook 2 (2015) more than anything
> > else, about $300.
> > 
> > 
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Re: [PLUG] Linux Laptop Recommendation

2016-11-14 Thread Chuck Hast
Google is your friend:
install linux on chromebook
will return you a long list of hot to and what to do entries

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Michael Barnes 
wrote:

> Yes, but can a chromebook be wiped and reinstalled with Linux?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 3:40 AM, Russell Senior  >
> wrote:
>
> > > "Josiah" == Josiah Luscher  writes:
> >
> > Josiah> Just my 2¢.  Shop first for speed, it's both the thing that
> > Josiah> costs and the thing that will make your computer last IMHO.  I
> > Josiah> paid the Windows tax and the spinning ferrous disk tax and got
> > Josiah> an ASUS X540L for ~$350.  If I did it again I'd get a better
> > Josiah> screen, it's fairly low resolution.
> >
> > For me, a laptop is more about mobility, longevity and connectivity, so
> > light-weight, a good display, a usable keyboard, good wifi drivers and
> > battery life are prime features.  With a network connection, I can ssh
> > to a "real" CPU to do computation.
> >
> > I actually type on a Toshiba Chromebook 2 (2015) more than anything
> > else, about $300.
> >
> >
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Re: [PLUG] Linux job hunting...

2016-11-14 Thread Keith Lofstrom
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 06:10:45AM -0800, Michael C. Robinson wrote:
> I have a major problem, I'm a college grad in
> computer science with 0 years of experience.  

Portland (and software hubs in general) may be the wrong
place to look, since so many young people come here
looking for software and Linux work.

Given the values you've expressed in the past, you might
be happier somewhere in the Midwest, at a non-software-
focused company (where YOU would be the expert!).  Look
where others fear to go.

An example that comes to mind is Rockwell-Collins Radio in
Cedar Rapids, Iowa.  A friend grew up there, moved to the
Bay area and married a New-York-born physicist, who has
predictable political views.  Her husband and her family
do NOT agree politically.  He would die before living in
Iowa.  That may also hold for most Linux professionals,
so there is likely to be a shortage "out there".

I don't know whether Rockwell-Collins in particular has
openings, but there must be hundreds of companies like
them who cannot attract enough Linux programmers. 
Learn something about embedded systems;  most hardware
(such as manufacturing machinery) is computerized now. 
Buy an Arduino and attend a dorkbots meeting or two. 

If you interview at a hardware company, something hand-
sized that does something interesting (preferably a sensor
of some sort) could move you to the top of the candidate
list.  Hardware engineers love to handle objects.

Post-911, food processing plants have become highly secure
facilities, with lots of software surveillance and process
monitoring.  More software jobs enabling blue-collar jobs.

While there may be fewer total software jobs in "fly-over
country", what matters to you is the ratio of jobs to
willing and qualified job seekers.  You can still connect
to the global open source community from software-light
areas.  In a few years, you may be teaching and mentoring
other young Linux hopefuls in your chosen new community. 
I look forward to that.

Given my differing personal values, it is politically
disadvantageous to suggest this to you.  The exodus of
liberal professionals from borderline red states to
already-blue states is partly responsible for recent
election results; fewer blue votes "out there" means
red wins more of those states, whereas a few extra blue
(or red!) votes in the Portland area changes nothing.

OTOH, I also believe unemployment and desperation
contributed to the inferior choice of candidates on
the ballot in 2016.  We are all scared for the future.
If you as a software engineer can help create jobs in
a midwestern community, that helps us all, and we may
make less fearful and more rational choices in 2020.  

Keith

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Re: [PLUG] Linux Laptop Recommendation

2016-11-14 Thread Michael Barnes
Yes, but can a chromebook be wiped and reinstalled with Linux?



On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 3:40 AM, Russell Senior 
wrote:

> > "Josiah" == Josiah Luscher  writes:
>
> Josiah> Just my 2¢.  Shop first for speed, it's both the thing that
> Josiah> costs and the thing that will make your computer last IMHO.  I
> Josiah> paid the Windows tax and the spinning ferrous disk tax and got
> Josiah> an ASUS X540L for ~$350.  If I did it again I'd get a better
> Josiah> screen, it's fairly low resolution.
>
> For me, a laptop is more about mobility, longevity and connectivity, so
> light-weight, a good display, a usable keyboard, good wifi drivers and
> battery life are prime features.  With a network connection, I can ssh
> to a "real" CPU to do computation.
>
> I actually type on a Toshiba Chromebook 2 (2015) more than anything
> else, about $300.
>
>
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Re: [PLUG] Mint 18.0 Cinnamon 64-bit: Message 'Boot is Full'

2016-11-14 Thread Tony Schlemmer
Have you search google.com? They show how to use the Synacptic Package
Manager to remove old kernels that are not being used:

http://askubuntu.com/questions/2793/how-do-i-remove-old-kernel-versions
-to-clean-up-the-boot-menu

Tony

On Sun, 2016-11-13 at 16:39 -0800, Vedanta Teacher wrote:
> Everyone,
> 
>    I'm running a relatively new HP Pavilion desktop with:
> Mint 18.0 Cinnamon 64-bit
> Version 3.0.7
> Linux Kernel 4.4.0-47-generic
> AMD A8 CPU
> RAM 14.6
> HD 945.9GB
> 
> Yesterday it threw a message at my of: Boot is Full
> 
> I've used the default installation settings for Boot & Grub.
> 
> **
> I did a quick search on Chromium and some people recommended:
> 
> apt-get -f install
> apt-get clean
> dpkg
> 
> I searched the Mint site and some recommendations were:
> 
> Using the Synaptic Package Manager to remove old kernel
> images (but I'd need to know which ones...)
> 
> **
> Question:
> 
> I must be having a senior moment... Is there a quick easy way
> to remove the unneeded items or, just make the Boot partition larger?
> I'm no super user but I can run some simple command lines.
> 
> There are some files on this machine that I'd like to save.
> If I totally bonk things I do have a laptop running 17.3 that
> I can use.
> 
> Blessings,
> Paul W.
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Re: [PLUG] Mint 18.0 Cinnamon 64-bit: Message 'Boot is Full'

2016-11-14 Thread Bruce Kilpatrick
On 11/14/2016 04:47 AM, Vedanta Teacher wrote:
> I have to work the day of the clinic but I will bring it in
> after work. In thinking about it the system probably
>  has several kernel images due to upgrades.
> Modifying a kernel or boot is above my skills but I'll
> see what I can do.
>
> Blessings,
> Paul W.
>
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Jim Karlock  wrote:
>
>> At 04:39 PM 11/13/2016, Vedanta Teacher wrote:
>>> Everyone,
>>>
>>>I'm running a relatively new HP Pavilion desktop with:
>>> Mint 18.0 Cinnamon 64-bit
>>> Version 3.0.7
>>> Linux Kernel 4.4.0-47-generic
>>> AMD A8 CPU
>>> RAM 14.6
>>> HD 945.9GB
>>>
>>> Yesterday it threw a message at my of: Boot is Full
>>>
>>> I've used the default installation settings for Boot & Grub.
>>>
>>> **
>>> I did a quick search on Chromium and some people recommended:
>>>
>>> apt-get -f install
>>> apt-get clean
>>> dpkg
>>>
>>> I searched the Mint site and some recommendations were:
>>>
>>> Using the Synaptic Package Manager to remove old kernel
>>> images (but I'd need to know which ones...)
>>>
>>> **
>>> Question:
>>>
>>> I must be having a senior moment... Is there a quick easy way
>>> to remove the unneeded items or, just make the Boot partition larger?
>>> I'm no super user but I can run some simple command lines.
>>>
>>> There are some files on this machine that I'd like to save.
>>
>> Don't forget that you can remove the hard drive and read it on
>> another computer with a USB adapter.
>>
>> Thanks
>> JK
>>
>>
>>> If I totally bonk things I do have a laptop running 17.3 that
>>> I can use.
>>>
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Doesn't "sudo apt-get autoremove"  remove all but the latest couple of 
kernels?

I use this after most dist-upgrades and have only two images in /boot 
(along with the other necessary files).


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Re: [PLUG] Mint 18.0 Cinnamon 64-bit: Message 'Boot is Full'

2016-11-14 Thread Keith Lofstrom
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 04:39:22PM -0800, Vedanta Teacher wrote:
> Everyone,
> 
>I'm running a relatively new HP Pavilion desktop with:
> Mint 18.0 Cinnamon 64-bit
> Version 3.0.7
> Linux Kernel 4.4.0-47-generic
> RAM 14.6
> HD 945.9GB
> 
> Yesterday it threw a message at my of: Boot is Full
> 
> I've used the default installation settings for Boot & Grub.

Presumably, you have both a boot and a main partition.
Most distros are set up this way.

Mint is probably set up to run automated updates, which
means it adds new kernels with security fixes from time
to time, and does not delete the old ones.  If you 
installed Mint with a "just big enough" boot partition,
a few updates will add enough kernels to fill it.

Your boot partition is too small.

The easiest way to fix this is with a "live flash drive"
(like a live CD), using gparted with a GUI.  A live CD
will work just as well (but slower).  I'm pretty sure
Mint has a live flash drive version.  

If not, you can do this with an Ubuntu live (CD/flash).

With gparted, you can make the main partition smaller,
and then the boot partition bigger.  With a one terabyte
hard drive, I would make the boot partition at least
10 GB, or more than 5 times as much space as it uses
now.  That is way more than you will probably ever need,
but you won't ever have to deal with this error again.

You can also use text editors and command line tools from
the install (CD/flash) in repair mode, and remove the older
kernels.  This is not a difficult fix, but it is easy to
screw up, so I do not recommend it for the not-yet-adept
who have monster hard drives like yours.

There's a small chance that your boot partition is fine,
but you are intentionally storing stuff in boot that
doesn't belong there.  Don't do that, move those unholy
files to your main partition, and sin no more.  You can
do that with a live CD, or in repair mode, too.  But if
the distro put those files in boot, let not man split
asunder. :-)

Keith

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Re: [PLUG] Linux job hunting...

2016-11-14 Thread chris (fool) mccraw
Hi Michael,

Advice I give to anyone who wants to work in tech is to work in tech!
Contribute to open source, work on a project for your portfolio, expand
your horizons - I realize this was kind of what school was supposed to do
for you, but if you find yourself without the skills for the jobs you want,
as someone who knows one programming language, you should be able to pick
up others pretty easily.  If you want my opinion, Java is a good feather to
have in your cap (some people poo-poo it, but it's not going anywhere and
has an incredible ecosystem and is really well-optimized for lots of
tasks), but something front-end (javascript in the form of Node or Angular
perhaps) or something that can span the stack a little better (Ruby,
Python) might be a good one to add to your resume.

I don't know how you learn, but I only learn by doing, so making a sample
project while you learn gives you an instant portfolio that you can host
for free on GitHub, seems to me.

Another option for breaking into tech is starting in developer support.
Places in town like New Relic are always hiring folks who can program -
you'll be working on interesting technical problems with developers (both
folks inside the company as well as customers) and learning as you go - I
joined that team with negligible python experience for instance, and came
out understanding quite a bit more, able to write API wrappers and having
some code on github.  Plus, they pay way way better than seasonal anything
(check glassdoor.com if you want to know more).

One caveat to that path - while it is totally a "foot in the door" at a
company with tons of developers on staff as well, and it is a fabulous
learning opportunity using tools that the industry is using like JIRA,
GitHub, etc, you need to be careful about how you position yourself when
applying.

As a proud support professional who hires people, nothing turns me off more
than someone saying "I'm doing this just as a stepping stone".  It can *be*
a stepping stone, but you need to give your focus to the work at hand and
be willing to stick with it for a year+ if you're going to try it, or else
it's not really worth their time to train and onboard you.

Just my $.02

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:10 AM, Michael C. Robinson <
mich...@robinson-west.com> wrote:

> I have a major problem, I'm a college grad in computer science with 0
> years of experience.  That PSU allows this when granting a degree is
> sad, but that's another issue for another time.  Everything I can find
> is for senior level people and a lot of the programming jobs require
> .NET or some other Microsoft thing.  Short of an internship, no college
> graduate can have experience programming in a Linux or any other
> environment professionally.  How do you land a job in this market? With
> Intel laying off so many senior level people, I cannot compete with the
> talent out there.  The tech industry in Oregon doesn't need college
> graduates and doesn't seem to want them either.
>
> I'm thinking of volunteering somewhere, possibly at freegeek.  Thing
> is, I need coding experience.  The only other thing I can think to do
> is build a code repository and certify in Java.  Don't know if there
> are Python, C++, PHP, and Perl certifications that companies care
> about.  I'm looking at seasonal work in retail because I can't get a
> computer job.  That doesn't cut it, I worked too hard for a degree in
> computer science to be shut out of the field.  I need in, I'm too old
> to wait: 1, 5, or 10 years longer for that first progamming job.  I've
> been job hunting for 2 years as it is.
>
> Interested in any good tips or advice people may have.  I admit I'm
> discouraged, but I'm not giving up.  Giving up won't solve the problem
> of being unable to land that first programming job.  This isn't a
> situation I want to deal with much longer, an entry level programming
> job would be very welcome.  Barring that, all I can think to do is
> prove I have the experience necessary to function in a more senior
> position.  That's a heck of a place to start though.
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[PLUG] Linux job hunting...

2016-11-14 Thread Michael C. Robinson
I have a major problem, I'm a college grad in computer science with 0
years of experience.  That PSU allows this when granting a degree is
sad, but that's another issue for another time.  Everything I can find
is for senior level people and a lot of the programming jobs require
.NET or some other Microsoft thing.  Short of an internship, no college
graduate can have experience programming in a Linux or any other
environment professionally.  How do you land a job in this market? With
Intel laying off so many senior level people, I cannot compete with the
talent out there.  The tech industry in Oregon doesn't need college
graduates and doesn't seem to want them either.

I'm thinking of volunteering somewhere, possibly at freegeek.  Thing
is, I need coding experience.  The only other thing I can think to do
is build a code repository and certify in Java.  Don't know if there
are Python, C++, PHP, and Perl certifications that companies care
about.  I'm looking at seasonal work in retail because I can't get a
computer job.  That doesn't cut it, I worked too hard for a degree in
computer science to be shut out of the field.  I need in, I'm too old
to wait: 1, 5, or 10 years longer for that first progamming job.  I've
been job hunting for 2 years as it is.

Interested in any good tips or advice people may have.  I admit I'm
discouraged, but I'm not giving up.  Giving up won't solve the problem
of being unable to land that first programming job.  This isn't a
situation I want to deal with much longer, an entry level programming
job would be very welcome.  Barring that, all I can think to do is
prove I have the experience necessary to function in a more senior
position.  That's a heck of a place to start though.
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Re: [PLUG] Mint 18.0 Cinnamon 64-bit: Message 'Boot is Full'

2016-11-14 Thread Rich Shepard
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016, Vedanta Teacher wrote:

> Yesterday it threw a message at my of: Boot is Full

> I must be having a senior moment... Is there a quick easy way to remove
> the unneeded items or, just make the Boot partition larger? I'm no super
> user but I can run some simple command lines.

   Caveat: I use lilo, not grub, and Slackware, so details are likely to
differ.

   Do you have a separate /boot partition? What does 'df -h' show?

   In /boot you might have soft-linked files (Syatem.map, config, vmlinuz).
If so, getting a long listing of /boot using 'ls -l' will show to whch
kernel and friends those are associated. You can, as root, delete other
versions that grub will not see and cannot use.

   You might need to modify your grub configuration, but the short answer to
your question is that you should be able to free space in /boot.

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Mint 18.0 Cinnamon 64-bit: Message 'Boot is Full'

2016-11-14 Thread Vedanta Teacher
I have to work the day of the clinic but I will bring it in
after work. In thinking about it the system probably
 has several kernel images due to upgrades.
Modifying a kernel or boot is above my skills but I'll
see what I can do.

Blessings,
Paul W.

On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Jim Karlock  wrote:

> At 04:39 PM 11/13/2016, Vedanta Teacher wrote:
> >Everyone,
> >
> >I'm running a relatively new HP Pavilion desktop with:
> >Mint 18.0 Cinnamon 64-bit
> >Version 3.0.7
> >Linux Kernel 4.4.0-47-generic
> >AMD A8 CPU
> >RAM 14.6
> >HD 945.9GB
> >
> >Yesterday it threw a message at my of: Boot is Full
> >
> >I've used the default installation settings for Boot & Grub.
> >
> >**
> >I did a quick search on Chromium and some people recommended:
> >
> >apt-get -f install
> >apt-get clean
> >dpkg
> >
> >I searched the Mint site and some recommendations were:
> >
> >Using the Synaptic Package Manager to remove old kernel
> >images (but I'd need to know which ones...)
> >
> >**
> >Question:
> >
> >I must be having a senior moment... Is there a quick easy way
> >to remove the unneeded items or, just make the Boot partition larger?
> >I'm no super user but I can run some simple command lines.
> >
> >There are some files on this machine that I'd like to save.
>
> Don't forget that you can remove the hard drive and read it on
> another computer with a USB adapter.
>
> Thanks
> JK
>
>
> >If I totally bonk things I do have a laptop running 17.3 that
> >I can use.
> >
> >Blessings,
> >Paul W.
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Re: [PLUG] Mint 18.0 Cinnamon 64-bit: Message 'Boot is Full'

2016-11-14 Thread Jim Karlock
At 04:39 PM 11/13/2016, Vedanta Teacher wrote:
>Everyone,
>
>I'm running a relatively new HP Pavilion desktop with:
>Mint 18.0 Cinnamon 64-bit
>Version 3.0.7
>Linux Kernel 4.4.0-47-generic
>AMD A8 CPU
>RAM 14.6
>HD 945.9GB
>
>Yesterday it threw a message at my of: Boot is Full
>
>I've used the default installation settings for Boot & Grub.
>
>**
>I did a quick search on Chromium and some people recommended:
>
>apt-get -f install
>apt-get clean
>dpkg
>
>I searched the Mint site and some recommendations were:
>
>Using the Synaptic Package Manager to remove old kernel
>images (but I'd need to know which ones...)
>
>**
>Question:
>
>I must be having a senior moment... Is there a quick easy way
>to remove the unneeded items or, just make the Boot partition larger?
>I'm no super user but I can run some simple command lines.
>
>There are some files on this machine that I'd like to save.

Don't forget that you can remove the hard drive and read it on 
another computer with a USB adapter.

Thanks
JK


>If I totally bonk things I do have a laptop running 17.3 that
>I can use.
>
>Blessings,
>Paul W.
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Re: [PLUG] Linux Laptop Recommendation

2016-11-14 Thread Russell Senior
> "Josiah" == Josiah Luscher  writes:

Josiah> Just my 2¢.  Shop first for speed, it's both the thing that
Josiah> costs and the thing that will make your computer last IMHO.  I
Josiah> paid the Windows tax and the spinning ferrous disk tax and got
Josiah> an ASUS X540L for ~$350.  If I did it again I'd get a better
Josiah> screen, it's fairly low resolution.

For me, a laptop is more about mobility, longevity and connectivity, so
light-weight, a good display, a usable keyboard, good wifi drivers and
battery life are prime features.  With a network connection, I can ssh
to a "real" CPU to do computation.

I actually type on a Toshiba Chromebook 2 (2015) more than anything
else, about $300.


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