Re: [PLUG] T430 fan problem under Debian but not Windows
On 1/1/2017 1:26 AM, Tom wrote: > For what it is worth it, I have run (and still do) various versions of > openSuSE and Knoppix on T430 without any strange fan control problems. > The only fan issue I have encountered was noise from fan's dead > bearings after heavy 3 years use, resolved by replacing the > fan/heatsink assembly. > I'd think, that you could try to install or run live Ubuntu (because it > is close to Debian) and see what controls the fan, trace it to a > package or kernel module and install it on your Debian copy. > Scrolling through lsmod output I see following modules (smells like fan > related) loaded: thinkpad_acpi, thermal and various i2c modules maybe > used to control the fan's PWM > -Tomas You jolted me into thinking. Somewhere I have a Debian Live MATE DVD. That should be configured to _safely_ run any machine. I have a T43 as a dedicated Windows machine with a soundly audible fan. I'll run it there first and then I'll have a comparison point. Now where did I put that DVD ;) Thank you. > On Sat, 2016-12-31 at 22:05 -0800, Chuck Hast wrote:Mate on a X-201 and > a X-301, both of them run the fans, indeedthermal >> I have them listed in Gkrellm and can see the speed vary as load varies on >> the machine. I have not really thought about it as seems that they are "just >> there", but I will look and see what it is doing.> > >> On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 8:23 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:> > > >>> On 12/31/2016 9:36 AM, Bill Barry wrote: > On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Richard Owlett >>> >>> wrote: > > > I just purchased a used T430 to replace a R61 which had died due > to a fan failure. > I've installed a minimal Jessie including what the installer > considers standard utilities and a very basic MATE DE.> > > > > > I used Synaptic to install "mate-system-tools". > An error message said "thinkfan post installation script returned > error exit status 1". > I checked for airflow - there was NONE. > Booted into Windows 7. There was warm airflow whose temperature > decreased with time. > I returned to Debian and attempted to reinstall "thinkfan". > Error message stated "attempted to reinstall E: Internal Error, > No file name for thinkfan:i386".> > > > > > Two questions:> > > > > > 1. How may I force the fan to run continuously at maximum speed. > Noise &/or power consumption is not important.> > > > > > 2. What/where is this "missing file"? Any diagnostic suggestions >>> > The lm-sensors package has utilities for measuring temperature and fan speed and setting the fan speed accordingly. That might be a good place to start. As for your specific error message I don't know what that is about. It could be what is causing lm-sensors to not do it's job.> > > > This might help http://www.lxle.net/forums/discussion/821/how-to-set-up- >>> >>> thinkfan-on-a-lenovo-thinkpad-t430/p1 > Bill> > > > > > >>> I think I've installed lm-sensors but I have to double check. >>> I hadn't seen that your yet. >>> I'm beginning to get responses on the Debian user list. I'll >>> merge your info into what I'm getting there. >>> Thank you.> > >>> > >>> ___ >>> PLUG mailing list >>> PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org >>> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug> > >>> >> >> > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] T430 fan problem under Debian but not Windows
On 1/1/2017 12:05 AM, Chuck Hast wrote: > I run Ubuntu Mate on a X-201 and a X-301, both of them run the fans, indeed > I have them listed in Gkrellm and can see the speed vary as load varies on > the machine. I have not really thought about it as seems that they are "just > there", but I will look and see what it is doing. With my R61 running first Debian Squeeze then Jessie the fan had run continuously if very quietly. When the fan had mechanically failed - silently :< - I didn't know I had a problem until things started acting erratically. The Jessie install on the T430 is as near possible identical as on the old R61 as they had been installed using the same preseed.cfg file. Thank you. > > On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 8:23 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> On 12/31/2016 9:36 AM, Bill Barry wrote: >>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Richard Owlett >> wrote: I just purchased a used T430 to replace a R61 which had died due to a fan failure. I've installed a minimal Jessie including what the installer considers standard utilities and a very basic MATE DE. I used Synaptic to install "mate-system-tools". An error message said "thinkfan post installation script returned error exit status 1". I checked for airflow - there was NONE. Booted into Windows 7. There was warm airflow whose temperature decreased with time. I returned to Debian and attempted to reinstall "thinkfan". Error message stated "attempted to reinstall E: Internal Error, No file name for thinkfan:i386". Two questions: 1. How may I force the fan to run continuously at maximum speed. Noise &/or power consumption is not important. 2. What/where is this "missing file"? Any diagnostic suggestions >>> >>> >>> The lm-sensors package has utilities for measuring temperature and fan >>> speed and setting the fan speed accordingly. That might be a good >>> place to start. As for your specific error message I don't know what >>> that is about. It could be what is causing lm-sensors to not do it's >>> job. >>> >>> This might help >>> http://www.lxle.net/forums/discussion/821/how-to-set-up- >> thinkfan-on-a-lenovo-thinkpad-t430/p1 >>> >>> Bill >>> >> >> I think I've installed lm-sensors but I have to double check. >> I hadn't seen that your yet. >> I'm beginning to get responses on the Debian user list. I'll >> merge your info into what I'm getting there. >> Thank you. >> >> >> ___ >> PLUG mailing list >> PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > > > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] T430 fan problem under Debian but not Windows
For what it is worth it, I have run (and still do) various versions of openSuSE and Knoppix on T430 without any strange fan control problems. The only fan issue I have encountered was noise from fan's dead bearings after heavy 3 years use, resolved by replacing the fan/heatsink assembly. I'd think, that you could try to install or run live Ubuntu (because it is close to Debian) and see what controls the fan, trace it to a package or kernel module and install it on your Debian copy. Scrolling through lsmod output I see following modules (smells like fan related) loaded: thinkpad_acpi, thermal and various i2c modules maybe used to control the fan's PWM -Tomas On Sat, 2016-12-31 at 22:05 -0800, Chuck Hast wrote:Mate on a X-201 and a X-301, both of them run the fans, > > > indeedthermal > I have them listed in Gkrellm and can see the speed vary as load > > > varies on > the machine. I have not really thought about it as seems that they > > > are "just > there", but I will look and see what it is doing.> > On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 8:23 AM, Richard Owlett > > > wrote:> > > On 12/31/2016 9:36 AM, Bill Barry wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Richard Owlett > > > > wrote: > > > > I just purchased a used T430 to replace a R61 which had died due > > > > to a fan failure. > > > > I've installed a minimal Jessie including what the installer > > > > considers standard utilities and a very basic MATE DE.> > > > > > > > I used Synaptic to install "mate-system-tools". > > > > An error message said "thinkfan post installation script returned > > > > error exit status 1". > > > > I checked for airflow - there was NONE. > > > > Booted into Windows 7. There was warm airflow whose temperature > > > > decreased with time. > > > > I returned to Debian and attempted to reinstall "thinkfan". > > > > Error message stated "attempted to reinstall E: Internal Error, > > > > No file name for thinkfan:i386".> > > > > > > > Two questions:> > > > > > > > 1. How may I force the fan to run continuously at maximum speed. > > > > Noise &/or power consumption is not important.> > > > > > > > 2. What/where is this "missing file"? Any diagnostic suggestions > > > > > > > > > > > > The lm-sensors package has utilities for measuring temperature and > > > > > > > fan > > > speed and setting the fan speed accordingly. That might be a good > > > place to start. As for your specific error message I don't know what > > > that is about. It could be what is causing lm-sensors to not do it's > > > job.> > > > > > This might help > > > http://www.lxle.net/forums/discussion/821/how-to-set-up- > > > > thinkfan-on-a-lenovo-thinkpad-t430/p1 > > > > > > Bill> > > > > > > > > I think I've installed lm-sensors but I have to double check. > > I hadn't seen that your yet. > > I'm beginning to get responses on the Debian user list. I'll > > merge your info into what I'm getting there. > > Thank you.> > > > > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug> > > > > > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] T430 fan problem under Debian but not Windows
I run Ubuntu Mate on a X-201 and a X-301, both of them run the fans, indeed I have them listed in Gkrellm and can see the speed vary as load varies on the machine. I have not really thought about it as seems that they are "just there", but I will look and see what it is doing. On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 8:23 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 12/31/2016 9:36 AM, Bill Barry wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Richard Owlett > wrote: > >> I just purchased a used T430 to replace a R61 which had died due > >> to a fan failure. > >> I've installed a minimal Jessie including what the installer > >> considers standard utilities and a very basic MATE DE. > >> > >> I used Synaptic to install "mate-system-tools". > >> An error message said "thinkfan post installation script returned > >> error exit status 1". > >> I checked for airflow - there was NONE. > >> Booted into Windows 7. There was warm airflow whose temperature > >> decreased with time. > >> I returned to Debian and attempted to reinstall "thinkfan". > >> Error message stated "attempted to reinstall E: Internal Error, > >> No file name for thinkfan:i386". > >> > >> Two questions: > >> > >> 1. How may I force the fan to run continuously at maximum speed. > >> Noise &/or power consumption is not important. > >> > >> 2. What/where is this "missing file"? Any diagnostic suggestions > > > > > > The lm-sensors package has utilities for measuring temperature and fan > > speed and setting the fan speed accordingly. That might be a good > > place to start. As for your specific error message I don't know what > > that is about. It could be what is causing lm-sensors to not do it's > > job. > > > > This might help > > http://www.lxle.net/forums/discussion/821/how-to-set-up- > thinkfan-on-a-lenovo-thinkpad-t430/p1 > > > > Bill > > > > I think I've installed lm-sensors but I have to double check. > I hadn't seen that your yet. > I'm beginning to get responses on the Debian user list. I'll > merge your info into what I'm getting there. > Thank you. > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- Glass, five thousand years of history and getting better. The only container material that the USDA gives blanket approval on. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] T430 fan problem under Debian but not Windows
On 12/31/2016 9:36 AM, Bill Barry wrote: > On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: >> I just purchased a used T430 to replace a R61 which had died due >> to a fan failure. >> I've installed a minimal Jessie including what the installer >> considers standard utilities and a very basic MATE DE. >> >> I used Synaptic to install "mate-system-tools". >> An error message said "thinkfan post installation script returned >> error exit status 1". >> I checked for airflow - there was NONE. >> Booted into Windows 7. There was warm airflow whose temperature >> decreased with time. >> I returned to Debian and attempted to reinstall "thinkfan". >> Error message stated "attempted to reinstall E: Internal Error, >> No file name for thinkfan:i386". >> >> Two questions: >> >> 1. How may I force the fan to run continuously at maximum speed. >> Noise &/or power consumption is not important. >> >> 2. What/where is this "missing file"? Any diagnostic suggestions > > > The lm-sensors package has utilities for measuring temperature and fan > speed and setting the fan speed accordingly. That might be a good > place to start. As for your specific error message I don't know what > that is about. It could be what is causing lm-sensors to not do it's > job. > > This might help > http://www.lxle.net/forums/discussion/821/how-to-set-up-thinkfan-on-a-lenovo-thinkpad-t430/p1 > > Bill > I think I've installed lm-sensors but I have to double check. I hadn't seen that your yet. I'm beginning to get responses on the Debian user list. I'll merge your info into what I'm getting there. Thank you. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] T430 fan problem under Debian but not Windows
On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > I just purchased a used T430 to replace a R61 which had died due > to a fan failure. > I've installed a minimal Jessie including what the installer > considers standard utilities and a very basic MATE DE. > > I used Synaptic to install "mate-system-tools". > An error message said "thinkfan post installation script returned > error exit status 1". > I checked for airflow - there was NONE. > Booted into Windows 7. There was warm airflow whose temperature > decreased with time. > I returned to Debian and attempted to reinstall "thinkfan". > Error message stated "attempted to reinstall E: Internal Error, > No file name for thinkfan:i386". > > Two questions: > > 1. How may I force the fan to run continuously at maximum speed. > Noise &/or power consumption is not important. > > 2. What/where is this "missing file"? Any diagnostic suggestions The lm-sensors package has utilities for measuring temperature and fan speed and setting the fan speed accordingly. That might be a good place to start. As for your specific error message I don't know what that is about. It could be what is causing lm-sensors to not do it's job. This might help http://www.lxle.net/forums/discussion/821/how-to-set-up-thinkfan-on-a-lenovo-thinkpad-t430/p1 Bill ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] T430 fan problem under Debian but not Windows
I just purchased a used T430 to replace a R61 which had died due to a fan failure. I've installed a minimal Jessie including what the installer considers standard utilities and a very basic MATE DE. I used Synaptic to install "mate-system-tools". An error message said "thinkfan post installation script returned error exit status 1". I checked for airflow - there was NONE. Booted into Windows 7. There was warm airflow whose temperature decreased with time. I returned to Debian and attempted to reinstall "thinkfan". Error message stated "attempted to reinstall E: Internal Error, No file name for thinkfan:i386". Two questions: 1. How may I force the fan to run continuously at maximum speed. Noise &/or power consumption is not important. 2. What/where is this "missing file"? Any diagnostic suggestions? TIA ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
