Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?

[Nat Taylor]

Nobody downloaded it.   I'll leave it up for a while, or try it out
yourself then, was an easy install, except for a couple bugs if you
selected the wrong options.  https://arch-anywhere.org/

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Nat Taylor  wrote:

> The Arch Anywhere XFCE pretty much looked identical to their OpenBox, but
> used 192M of memory
>
> I don't feel like exporting an appliance, but if you try, you need to
> install the ARch anywhere Repository this time.
> I also did an arch-anywhere -u first
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Nat Taylor  wrote:
>
>> Here is a link to an .ova Virtualbox Appliance that is an Arch Linux
>> installation created by Arch-Anywhere
>> that has the following desktops installed:
>> Budgie
>> Cinnamon
>> LXDE
>> Mate
>> Openbox
>>
>> (The menu says there's gnome options but they dont work, I didn't install
>> gnome.  I tried to install the Arch-Anywere custom XFCE, but it didn't
>> install for some reason, maybe I need to select XFCE from the menu too.
>> The install was fairly quick an painless, although it should be noted that
>> the Arch Anywhere installer crashes if you select the Arch Anywhere
>> Repository from the Additional Software menu; it says its already in the
>> database but doesn't install.  IT also crashed if you selected (one of,
>> probably the later) gnome group and/or gtk3(Experimental). Everything is
>> already installed here so don't worry about it unless you're trying to
>> replicate this)
>>
>> It uses Lightdm for the Display Manger, and you can select the Desktop
>> Enviroment by clicking on the little icon on the top right of the screen,
>> on the left side of the little line of icons.
>>
>> The username is dude
>> the password is AbitaAbider22@
>> the root password is dugPLUGwhatalug!
>>
>> If you're paranoid I got sneaky and hid some evil stuff in there, disable
>> the networking through Virtualbox, but I don't have the time or desire to
>> do so, and besides, I imagine this is the wrong list to mess with...
>>
>> The custom Arch Anywhere OpenBox is very Haxxor... I actually kinda like
>> it, but Htop says its not quite as fast as LXDE
>> Budgie used the most memory, followed by Cinnamon (which said it would be
>> faster if it wasn't running in frame buffer due to video drivers), followed
>> by Mate, then, OpenBox, the LXDE
>>
>> Mate (246M) felt the most familiar, due to past gnome2 use.  LXDE (162M)
>> was lightning fast and it looked good, and I might be able to get used to
>> that l33t Arch Anywhere OpenBox(174M)...
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure if it's fair to just logout and start a new desktop
>> environment, but thats what I did, and the results seemed consistent...
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Mw4QXQzulid1BsWEVfbFVieHc
>> /view?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Chuck Hast  wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Nat Taylor  wrote:
>>>
>>> >   I do like it
>>> > when there's that mac-like icon dock (conky? docker?  i forget), which
>>> I
>>> > have seen on both distros.
>>> > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Rich Shepard >> >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Is this what you are thinking about:
>>> http://glx-dock.org/
>>> It is what I run (it is called Cairo Dock) but it does all of that Mac
>>> stuff too. Very
>>> configurable.
>>>
>>> Chuck Hast  -- KP4DJT --
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Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?

[Nat Taylor]

The Arch Anywhere XFCE pretty much looked identical to their OpenBox, but
used 192M of memory

I don't feel like exporting an appliance, but if you try, you need to
install the ARch anywhere Repository this time.
I also did an arch-anywhere -u first



On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Nat Taylor  wrote:

> Here is a link to an .ova Virtualbox Appliance that is an Arch Linux
> installation created by Arch-Anywhere
> that has the following desktops installed:
> Budgie
> Cinnamon
> LXDE
> Mate
> Openbox
>
> (The menu says there's gnome options but they dont work, I didn't install
> gnome.  I tried to install the Arch-Anywere custom XFCE, but it didn't
> install for some reason, maybe I need to select XFCE from the menu too.
> The install was fairly quick an painless, although it should be noted that
> the Arch Anywhere installer crashes if you select the Arch Anywhere
> Repository from the Additional Software menu; it says its already in the
> database but doesn't install.  IT also crashed if you selected (one of,
> probably the later) gnome group and/or gtk3(Experimental). Everything is
> already installed here so don't worry about it unless you're trying to
> replicate this)
>
> It uses Lightdm for the Display Manger, and you can select the Desktop
> Enviroment by clicking on the little icon on the top right of the screen,
> on the left side of the little line of icons.
>
> The username is dude
> the password is AbitaAbider22@
> the root password is dugPLUGwhatalug!
>
> If you're paranoid I got sneaky and hid some evil stuff in there, disable
> the networking through Virtualbox, but I don't have the time or desire to
> do so, and besides, I imagine this is the wrong list to mess with...
>
> The custom Arch Anywhere OpenBox is very Haxxor... I actually kinda like
> it, but Htop says its not quite as fast as LXDE
> Budgie used the most memory, followed by Cinnamon (which said it would be
> faster if it wasn't running in frame buffer due to video drivers), followed
> by Mate, then, OpenBox, the LXDE
>
> Mate (246M) felt the most familiar, due to past gnome2 use.  LXDE (162M)
> was lightning fast and it looked good, and I might be able to get used to
> that l33t Arch Anywhere OpenBox(174M)...
>
>
> I'm not sure if it's fair to just logout and start a new desktop
> environment, but thats what I did, and the results seemed consistent...
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Mw4QXQzulid1BsWEVfbFVieHc/
> view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Chuck Hast  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Nat Taylor  wrote:
>>
>> >   I do like it
>> > when there's that mac-like icon dock (conky? docker?  i forget), which I
>> > have seen on both distros.
>> > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Rich Shepard 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Is this what you are thinking about:
>> http://glx-dock.org/
>> It is what I run (it is called Cairo Dock) but it does all of that Mac
>> stuff too. Very
>> configurable.
>>
>> Chuck Hast  -- KP4DJT --
>> Glass, five thousand years of history and getting better.
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Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?

[Nat Taylor]

Here is a link to an .ova Virtualbox Appliance that is an Arch Linux
installation created by Arch-Anywhere
that has the following desktops installed:
Budgie
Cinnamon
LXDE
Mate
Openbox

(The menu says there's gnome options but they dont work, I didn't install
gnome.  I tried to install the Arch-Anywere custom XFCE, but it didn't
install for some reason, maybe I need to select XFCE from the menu too.
The install was fairly quick an painless, although it should be noted that
the Arch Anywhere installer crashes if you select the Arch Anywhere
Repository from the Additional Software menu; it says its already in the
database but doesn't install.  IT also crashed if you selected (one of,
probably the later) gnome group and/or gtk3(Experimental). Everything is
already installed here so don't worry about it unless you're trying to
replicate this)

It uses Lightdm for the Display Manger, and you can select the Desktop
Enviroment by clicking on the little icon on the top right of the screen,
on the left side of the little line of icons.

The username is dude
the password is AbitaAbider22@
the root password is dugPLUGwhatalug!

If you're paranoid I got sneaky and hid some evil stuff in there, disable
the networking through Virtualbox, but I don't have the time or desire to
do so, and besides, I imagine this is the wrong list to mess with...

The custom Arch Anywhere OpenBox is very Haxxor... I actually kinda like
it, but Htop says its not quite as fast as LXDE
Budgie used the most memory, followed by Cinnamon (which said it would be
faster if it wasn't running in frame buffer due to video drivers), followed
by Mate, then, OpenBox, the LXDE

Mate (246M) felt the most familiar, due to past gnome2 use.  LXDE (162M)
was lightning fast and it looked good, and I might be able to get used to
that l33t Arch Anywhere OpenBox(174M)...


I'm not sure if it's fair to just logout and start a new desktop
environment, but thats what I did, and the results seemed consistent...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Mw4QXQzulid1BsWEVfbFVieHc/view?usp=sharing







On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Chuck Hast  wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Nat Taylor  wrote:
>
> >   I do like it
> > when there's that mac-like icon dock (conky? docker?  i forget), which I
> > have seen on both distros.
> > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Rich Shepard 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Is this what you are thinking about:
> http://glx-dock.org/
> It is what I run (it is called Cairo Dock) but it does all of that Mac
> stuff too. Very
> configurable.
>
> Chuck Hast  -- KP4DJT --
> Glass, five thousand years of history and getting better.
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Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?

[Chuck Hast]

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Nat Taylor  wrote:

>   I do like it
> when there's that mac-like icon dock (conky? docker?  i forget), which I
> have seen on both distros.
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
>
> Is this what you are thinking about:
http://glx-dock.org/
It is what I run (it is called Cairo Dock) but it does all of that Mac
stuff too. Very
configurable.

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Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?

[Rich Shepard]

On Tue, 4 Apr 2017, Nat Taylor wrote:

> I used Cinnamon, then Mate, then KDE on my arch desktop after I read a
> recent comparison of CPU cycle usage by various modern desktops. I was
> surprised to see KDE out front so I tried it out when I did a reinstall
> due to a failing hard drive. I have also been using XFCE on some VMs
> lately, and it's quite nice these days.

Nat,

   Have you looked at LXDE? It's very light weight and highly customizable.

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Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?

[Nat Taylor]

I used Cinnamon, then Mate, then KDE on my arch desktop after I read a
recent comparison of CPU cycle usage by various modern desktops.  I was
surprised to see KDE out front so I tried it out when I did a reinstall due
to a failing hard drive.
I have also been using XFCE on some VMs lately, and it's quite nice these
days.   Manjaro has a nice XFCE implementation on its default desktop.
Siduction does as well, and they have a Mate version as well.  It's all
Debian Sid, so it might be a good fit, if you're set on Mate.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 5:15 PM Seth Alford  wrote:

> Mate 1.16.1 on Fedora 25
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Chuck Hast  wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Dick Steffens 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Does t open a terminal in Ubuntu MATE?
> > >
> > > Yessirr, indeedee it does. Remember one thing I have replaced the
> Window
> > manager Marco with Compiz, beyond that it is not changed. You can select
> > window managers in:
> >
> > System > Preferences > Look and Feel > Mate Tweak.
> >
> > That is really the only thing I can think of that I change.
> >
> >
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Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?

[Seth Alford]

Mate 1.16.1 on Fedora 25

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Chuck Hast  wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Dick Steffens 
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Does t open a terminal in Ubuntu MATE?
> >
> > Yessirr, indeedee it does. Remember one thing I have replaced the Window
> manager Marco with Compiz, beyond that it is not changed. You can select
> window managers in:
>
> System > Preferences > Look and Feel > Mate Tweak.
>
> That is really the only thing I can think of that I change.
>
>
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Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?

[Chuck Hast]

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Dick Steffens  wrote:

>
>
> Does t open a terminal in Ubuntu MATE?
>
> Yessirr, indeedee it does. Remember one thing I have replaced the Window
manager Marco with Compiz, beyond that it is not changed. You can select
window managers in:

System > Preferences > Look and Feel > Mate Tweak.

That is really the only thing I can think of that I change.


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Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?

[Dick Steffens]

On 04/03/2017 09:53 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 04/03/2017 09:58 AM, Dick Steffens wrote:
>> [SNIP preamble]
>> So, to get to the question, which version of MATE are folks using?
>> I see
>> a list at https://mate-desktop.org/ that includes Linux Mint, which I
>> know about, and also Ubuntu MATE, which I wasn't aware of. I'm happy
>> with the Debian approach to software installation, such as apt and
>> Synaptic, and would just as soon stay with those. What version(s) do
>> any of you use that you're happy with?
>>
> I use Debian Jessie with "Package: mate-desktop-environment (1.8.0+9)"
> see https://packages.debian.org/jessie/mate-desktop-environment .

Thanks. I'll take a look at it, too.

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Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?

[Keith Lofstrom]

On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 07:58:00AM -0700, Dick Steffens wrote:
> So, to get to the question, which version of MATE are folks using?

I use Mate version 1.16 from the EPEL repository.  Mate
is NOT officially supplied with Red Hat Enterprise Linux
or the clone that I use, Scientific Linux.  Red Hat pushes
Gnome 3 pretty strongly, which is more like a video game
than a work environment, IMHO.

Mate seems incomplete, but is a better approximation of
the Gnome 2 work environment than anything else.  Gnome
2 is no longer supportable, since the underlying GTK 
libraries and distros have evolved without backwards
compatibility.

No clue about which (if any?) distros feature Mate as
their primary desktop environment.  I worry about Mate's
long term support; if the principal contributors find
"real jobs" someday, I may be S.O.L.  I imagine that's
how Gnome 3 wandered off into the weeds.  

I send money to the Mate project sometimes.  I hope that
encourages persistence.

If I had ten million dollars, I would hire Miguel de Icaza
to lead a Gnome palace revolution.  Then he would hire a
team to make Mate into a bulletproof Gnome 4, while making
Gnome 3 into the new Microsoft desktop, sinking both.

Keith

P.S.  If I had ten million dollars, I would need a hundred
million dollars to do all the great projects I can imagine
doing with ten million dollars.  Sigh.

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Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?

[Chuck Hast]

This machine I am using was a Free Geek machine, it had Linux Mint on it, I
tried it and it was pretty good, but I had some issues after running it for
a while,
and I have been running Ubuntu Mate on a couple of laptops, on them it was
VERY stable, I swapped out Marco for Compiz, installed VMware Player to run
some VM's on them so I had pretty well given it a run. I replaced Mint with
Ubuntu Mate, but must have left a few of the old .files because the desktop
has
some weirdness that I can not account for. I am getting ready to do a
prevent-
ative backup at which time I will blow away the old home directories and
start
wtih clean ones migrating my files back in, that way I will get rid of the
weird-
ness. I also installed it on a machine used at church to stream video. The
Blackmagic video capture card took right off and ran. I did download the BM
files, but most of the needed stuff was already in the install. That was
nice to
see because video CAPTURE at HD or HD+ can be a pain. The big thing is
that it takes about 30 seconds for the card to be ready after the machine is
up/running and logged into. Not sure why, assume that it takes a while for
the
system to provision the card and check it out, as if I try to start the
video app
right at login, it may fail. Now I just wait about 30 seconds after start
up and
start it. But Ubuntu Mate works great. I do need a mobo with more horsepower
as when I am streaming it is using 50%+ of the CPU.


On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Dick Steffens  wrote:

> On 04/03/2017 09:26 AM, Chuck Hast wrote:
> > I am using Ubuntu 16.04 Mate, but I replace Marco with Compiz because I
> like
> > (really like) my cube... Beyond that it is pretty tame and gives few
> > problems.
> >
> > One thing is to make sure you purge ALL of the .files out of your home
> > directory,
> > otherwise you may see some funnies. Back them up somewhere and then ins-
> > tall, then replace the ones you need for particular apps, if you are
> moving
> > from
> > either Mate distro or Ubuntu some of those old .files will cause some
> > strange
> > stuff.
>
> The way I do it, I'll start with a complete install, so all the .files
> will be stock. Then I'll copy the .files from my current desktop over to
> the new one, and do the same as I add programs that aren't automatically
> included. Thanks for the reminder.
>
> > I use apt and Synaptic all of the time, after I do an install the first
> > thing I do is
> > install Synaptic if it has not been done by the install.
>
> Glad to know. I'll give it a try when I can set aside the time.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
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>
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Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/03/2017 09:58 AM, Dick Steffens wrote:
> [SNIP preamble]
> So, to get to the question, which version of MATE are folks using?
> I see
> a list at https://mate-desktop.org/ that includes Linux Mint, which I
> know about, and also Ubuntu MATE, which I wasn't aware of. I'm happy
> with the Debian approach to software installation, such as apt and
> Synaptic, and would just as soon stay with those. What version(s) do
> any of you use that you're happy with?
>

I use Debian Jessie with "Package: mate-desktop-environment (1.8.0+9)" 
see https://packages.debian.org/jessie/mate-desktop-environment .

One who likes to say "He lives out past Estacada, even" referred me to 
Ubuntu. I found that to not be a comfortable fit and went with Debian 
Squeeze (uses Gnome2). When Wheezy came out it defaulted to the !$!%$# 
known as Gnome3. That abortion caused me to not upgrade until Squeeze 
which made MATE available.

The version I run has some known documentation issues which reportedly 
been addressed in the next Debian release. Operationally there have been 
no problems.

All other desktops should surrender.
Who *ME* opinionated. "Owl" ducks fer cover ;/
GO fer it ;/



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Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?

[Dick Steffens]

On 04/03/2017 09:26 AM, Chuck Hast wrote:
> I am using Ubuntu 16.04 Mate, but I replace Marco with Compiz because I like
> (really like) my cube... Beyond that it is pretty tame and gives few
> problems.
>
> One thing is to make sure you purge ALL of the .files out of your home
> directory,
> otherwise you may see some funnies. Back them up somewhere and then ins-
> tall, then replace the ones you need for particular apps, if you are moving
> from
> either Mate distro or Ubuntu some of those old .files will cause some
> strange
> stuff.

The way I do it, I'll start with a complete install, so all the .files 
will be stock. Then I'll copy the .files from my current desktop over to 
the new one, and do the same as I add programs that aren't automatically 
included. Thanks for the reminder.

> I use apt and Synaptic all of the time, after I do an install the first
> thing I do is
> install Synaptic if it has not been done by the install.

Glad to know. I'll give it a try when I can set aside the time.

Thanks.

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Re: [PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?

[Chuck Hast]

I am using Ubuntu 16.04 Mate, but I replace Marco with Compiz because I like
(really like) my cube... Beyond that it is pretty tame and gives few
problems.

One thing is to make sure you purge ALL of the .files out of your home
directory,
otherwise you may see some funnies. Back them up somewhere and then ins-
tall, then replace the ones you need for particular apps, if you are moving
from
either Mate distro or Ubuntu some of those old .files will cause some
strange
stuff.

I use apt and Synaptic all of the time, after I do an install the first
thing I do is
install Synaptic if it has not been done by the install.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 7:58 AM, Dick Steffens  wrote:

> I've been running Ubuntu 14 on my desktop machine, and 16 on a laptop. I
> tried using Unity, but couldn't get into it, so I run Gnome fallback.
> While vaguely aware of it, I hadn't thought of using MATE, although I
> think I have that in stalled on an old (2006) laptop that won't run
> newer software. Linux Mint provided a version that still works with my
> old hardware. Anyway, I have a new desktop machine that I haven't
> finished setting up (for several months). I started it out on Ubuntu 16
> with Gnome fallback, but found a number of things wouldn't install
> without fiddling, which I haven't had time to do. I'm looking at having
> some time in the next couple of months, and will probably start over
> with some version of MATE. I started researching it yesterday and
> discovered I'm mispronouncing MATE as mate (like a ship's mate). Now I
> understand it's pronounced mah-tay, which is a South American plant used
> to make a tea.
>
> So, to get to the question, which version of MATE are folks using? I see
> a list at https://mate-desktop.org/ that includes Linux Mint, which I
> know about, and also Ubuntu MATE, which I wasn't aware of. I'm happy
> with the Debian approach to software installation, such as apt and
> Synaptic, and would just as soon stay with those. What version(s) do any
> of you use that you're happy with?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Dick Steffens
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[PLUG] Which version of MATE are folks using?

[Dick Steffens]

I've been running Ubuntu 14 on my desktop machine, and 16 on a laptop. I 
tried using Unity, but couldn't get into it, so I run Gnome fallback. 
While vaguely aware of it, I hadn't thought of using MATE, although I 
think I have that in stalled on an old (2006) laptop that won't run 
newer software. Linux Mint provided a version that still works with my 
old hardware. Anyway, I have a new desktop machine that I haven't 
finished setting up (for several months). I started it out on Ubuntu 16 
with Gnome fallback, but found a number of things wouldn't install 
without fiddling, which I haven't had time to do. I'm looking at having 
some time in the next couple of months, and will probably start over 
with some version of MATE. I started researching it yesterday and 
discovered I'm mispronouncing MATE as mate (like a ship's mate). Now I 
understand it's pronounced mah-tay, which is a South American plant used 
to make a tea.

So, to get to the question, which version of MATE are folks using? I see 
a list at https://mate-desktop.org/ that includes Linux Mint, which I 
know about, and also Ubuntu MATE, which I wasn't aware of. I'm happy 
with the Debian approach to software installation, such as apt and 
Synaptic, and would just as soon stay with those. What version(s) do any 
of you use that you're happy with?

Thanks.

-- 
Regards,

Dick Steffens

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