Re: [PLUG] systemd, an improvement? - argument for
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 06:34:14PM -0800, Louis Kowolowski wrote: After reading http://boycottsystemd.org, I’m curious who thinks that systemd is an improvement for servers, and if so why/how. Are people running CentOS 7 on servers yet? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1149530#p1149530 You'll need to scroll down a page to the Benefits: bit. Though the listing of arguments against has some funny bits. Summary: Hotplug capable knowable system state modular allows dbus/udev to return to their original purpose reduces number of explicit ordering dependencies provides sandboxing features systemd service files can be written without distribution implementation knowledge. systemd is a cross-distro project, creation team had deep background ... -- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon Be Appropriate Follow Your Curiosity The difference betwee a million and a billion is the difference between a sip of wine and 30 seconds with your daughter, and a bottle of gin and a night with her. ~ XKCD http://xkcd.com/558/ ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] systemd, an improvement? - argument for
They forked Debian because of systemd.., that should give anyone pause: https://devuan.org Also, there is the bit that systemd is lgpl. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:45 AM, Michael Rasmussen mich...@jamhome.us wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 06:34:14PM -0800, Louis Kowolowski wrote: After reading http://boycottsystemd.org, I’m curious who thinks that systemd is an improvement for servers, and if so why/how. Are people running CentOS 7 on servers yet? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1149530#p1149530 You'll need to scroll down a page to the Benefits: bit. Though the listing of arguments against has some funny bits. Summary: Hotplug capable knowable system state modular allows dbus/udev to return to their original purpose reduces number of explicit ordering dependencies provides sandboxing features systemd service files can be written without distribution implementation knowledge. systemd is a cross-distro project, creation team had deep background ... -- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon Be Appropriate Follow Your Curiosity The difference betwee a million and a billion is the difference between a sip of wine and 30 seconds with your daughter, and a bottle of gin and a night with her. ~ XKCD http://xkcd.com/558/ ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Darren R. Couch dco...@gmail.com ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] systemd, an improvement?
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Louis Kowolowski wrote: After reading http://boycottsystemd.org, I’m curious who thinks that systemd is an improvement for servers, and if so why/how. Are people running CentOS 7 on servers yet? I've got CentOS 7 and Fedora 19 on servers, so I've been working with systemd for a while. It didn't take me all that long to revamp my cfengine rules to deal with systemd; the rulesets are similar: /sbin/service args = sendmail condrestart; becomes /bin/systemctl args = restart sendmail.service; I don't yet understand all the ins and outs of systemd. I have a good handle on the .service units, but the others (.mount, .path, .scope, .socket, .device, and even .target) are still works in progress. The systemctl binary, while not intuitive at all, is easy to learn and provides a consistent interface to things. I do not miss init scripts at all. The boycott page conveniently overlooks all the init scripts that broke, badly, when Ubuntu decided to make /bin/sh a version of dash rather than bash. System V on modern Linux systems is very tool-dependent as well. I'm not a fan of journald and I always setup rsyslog to ensure I have text log files, but that's the only long-term downside I've encountered so far. One of my holiday projects is doing the systemd version of Linux From Scratch, just so I have a better basic understanding of its capabilities and competencies. I like the possibilities of systemd, but I can see the downsides as well. At this point, I don't see any reason whatsoever to get all worked up about the change. It seems to work, which is all that I ask of it. -- Paul Heinlein heinl...@madboa.com 45°38' N, 122°6' W___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] systemd, an improvement?
After reading http://boycottsystemd.org, I’m curious who thinks that systemd is an improvement for servers, and if so why/how. Are people running CentOS 7 on servers yet? — Louis Kowolowskilou...@cryptomonkeys.org Cryptomonkeys: http://www.cryptomonkeys.com/ Making life more interesting for people since 1977 signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
