Re: [PLUG] [OT?] Internet privacy? ?? ???

2018-02-02 Thread Mke C> 

On 02/02/2018 06:33 PM, plug-requ...@pdxlinux.org wrote:

If anyone can suggest how I could better handle this -- public or
private responses requested.

I'd tell you brother to start here => 
https://mic.com/articles/62163/6-things-you-need-to-know-so-your-private-youtube-videos-don-t-end-up-on-google#.CLRknPVQj


"Click on your avatar and select*YouTube Settings*On the next screen, 
click on*Privacy*at the top left


On this screen you’re able to set up and check your account privacy 
settings. Under “Likes and Subscriptions,” you can check the box to make 
sure any videos you like and any channels you subscribe to stay private 
and confidential. Under “Search and Contacts,” you can control who can 
contact you, share your videos, and find you by email address."


I saw a link to another article about how people who have YouTube 
channels can capture email addresses of subscribers. Maybe that's what's 
happening here.


Then if that's not what's going on, I'd have him contact YouTube 
directly about his specific privacy concerns. 
https://www.youtube.com/static?template=privacy_guidelines


But generally these days, you'd have to invest some serious time and 
energy to have any degree of privacy on the internet. I aim for 
anonymity and obfuscation with the smallest time & energy investment.


Also, you can use YouTube anonymously. You don't have to have an account 
to watch videos. If he wants all the "features" of YouTube he can create 
an alternate email address for his account. There are plenty of fee 
throw away / single use email addresses to be had on the Internet.


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Re: [PLUG] [OT?] Internet privacy? ?? ???

2018-02-02 Thread Tomas Kuchta 
That separate accounts will work only until someone who knows him will
email him or view his FB page.

Real privacy online is probably possible for a limited time, but
extraordinarily difficult. It is definitely beyond keeping the private time
useful.

T

On Feb 2, 2018 6:06 PM, "Michael Barnes"  wrote:

> In short, there is no such thing as privacy on the internet, period. If he
> wants to look at anything anywhere on the internet, any information on his
> computer is subject to retrieval. I would suggest he acquire a separate
> computer (preferably running Linux) and put absolutely no user identifiable
> information on it, i.e. user Fred Flinstone, address Bedrock, etc. Create a
> new email for the purpose, like fredf100...@gmail.com, and use that system
> for all internet activity. Whatever personal info is gleaned from that
> computer is worthless and he will have nothing to worry about. Of course he
> will have to create new YouTube, Facebook, etc. accounts. That's the cost
> of "privacy".
>
> On Feb 2, 2018 17:37, "Dick Steffens"  wrote:
>
> > On 02/02/2018 05:11 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >
> >> On 02/02/2018 06:21 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
> >>
> >>> He suspects they have been publishing his email address.
> 
> >>>
> >>> Please elaborate.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I would if I could.
> >>
> >> I b geek -- he not
> >>
> >> He has associated the publication of his email address with videos he
> has
> >> viewed.
> >>
> >
> > My own experience shows that YouTube keeps track of what videos I've
> > watched and, no doubt using Google's technology, gives me more options
> > similar to ones I've watched. Sometimes that's useful. Sometimes it's
> not.
> > But from the descriptions you've given, it sounds to me like he's just
> > seeing what YouTube thinks he wants to see. How that relates to email, I
> > have no idea.
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
> > Dick Steffens
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Re: [PLUG] [OT?] Internet privacy? ?? ???

2018-02-02 Thread Larry Brigman 
Clicking on a link in a YouTube video could get that type of information to
a source that could/would use it,
as the link could take you off the youtube site completely.
Any site that he connects can collect any information that the browser has
configured as to his identity.

Also without any clicking, he could receive spam email that looks like it
was extracted related to his viewing habits
but be totally unrelated.

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 6:32 PM, Richard Owlett  wrote:

> On 02/02/2018 08:06 PM, Michael Barnes wrote:
>
>> In short, there is no such thing as privacy on the internet, period. If he
>> wants to look at anything anywhere on the internet, any information on his
>> computer is subject to retrieval. I would suggest he acquire a separate
>> computer (preferably running Linux) and put absolutely no user
>> identifiable
>> information on it, i.e. user Fred Flinstone, address Bedrock, etc. Create
>> a
>> new email for the purpose, like fredf100...@gmail.com, and use that
>> system
>> for all internet activity. Whatever personal info is gleaned from that
>> computer is worthless and he will have nothing to worry about. Of course
>> he
>> will have to create new YouTube, Facebook, etc. accounts. That's the cost
>> of "privacy".
>>
>>
> I do not know if you are "PARANOID" or "ACCURATE".
> As I compulsively avoid social media, I've no idea of what questions to
> ask to determine what is happening.
>
> Thanks for the efforts.
>
>
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Re: [PLUG] [OT?] Internet privacy? ?? ???

2018-02-02 Thread Richard Owlett 

On 02/02/2018 08:06 PM, Michael Barnes wrote:

In short, there is no such thing as privacy on the internet, period. If he
wants to look at anything anywhere on the internet, any information on his
computer is subject to retrieval. I would suggest he acquire a separate
computer (preferably running Linux) and put absolutely no user identifiable
information on it, i.e. user Fred Flinstone, address Bedrock, etc. Create a
new email for the purpose, like fredf100...@gmail.com, and use that system
for all internet activity. Whatever personal info is gleaned from that
computer is worthless and he will have nothing to worry about. Of course he
will have to create new YouTube, Facebook, etc. accounts. That's the cost
of "privacy".



I do not know if you are "PARANOID" or "ACCURATE".
As I compulsively avoid social media, I've no idea of what questions to 
ask to determine what is happening.


Thanks for the efforts.



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Re: [PLUG] [OT?] Internet privacy? ?? ???

2018-02-02 Thread Richard Owlett 

On 02/02/2018 07:36 PM, Dick Steffens wrote:

On 02/02/2018 05:11 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 02/02/2018 06:21 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:

He suspects they have been publishing his email address.


Please elaborate.



I would if I could.

I b geek -- he not

He has associated the publication of his email address with videos he 
has viewed.


My own experience shows that YouTube keeps track of what videos I've 
watched and, no doubt using Google's technology, gives me more options 
similar to ones I've watched. Sometimes that's useful. Sometimes it's 
not. But from the descriptions you've given, it sounds to me like he's 
just seeing what YouTube thinks he wants to see. How that relates to 
email, I have no idea.


That makes two of us.

He has apparently seen something to cause him to believe his email 
address is being published..


He, as any sane person would, finds that offensive.

As I emphatically avoid all the social media, I've no idea how to 
approach the issue.


Thank you.

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Re: [PLUG] [OT?] Internet privacy? ?? ???

2018-02-02 Thread Dick Steffens 

On 02/02/2018 05:11 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 02/02/2018 06:21 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:

He suspects they have been publishing his email address.


Please elaborate.



I would if I could.

I b geek -- he not

He has associated the publication of his email address with videos he 
has viewed.


My own experience shows that YouTube keeps track of what videos I've 
watched and, no doubt using Google's technology, gives me more options 
similar to ones I've watched. Sometimes that's useful. Sometimes it's 
not. But from the descriptions you've given, it sounds to me like he's 
just seeing what YouTube thinks he wants to see. How that relates to 
email, I have no idea.



--
Regards,

Dick Steffens

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Re: [PLUG] [OT?] Internet privacy? ?? ???

2018-02-02 Thread Richard Owlett 

On 02/02/2018 06:21 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:

He suspects they have been publishing his email address.


Please elaborate.



I would if I could.

I b geek -- he not

He has associated the publication of his email address with videos he 
has viewed.


I *EMPHATICALLY AVOID* social media

What questions should I be asking?



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Re: [PLUG] [OT?] Internet privacy? ?? ???

2018-02-02 Thread Cryptomonkeys.org 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore


> On Feb 2, 2018, at 6:21 PM, Carl Karsten  wrote:
> 
>> He suspects they have been publishing his email address.
> 
> Please elaborate.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 5:48 PM, Richard Owlett  wrote:
> 
>> Called my brother to wish him a "Happy Birthday".
>> As I'm the geek sibling, he asked a geek type question.
>> He has been viewing youtube(sp?) videos.
>> He suspects they have been publishing his email address.
>> He objects.
>> 
>> I asked about contact info in the "privacy" statement - he found none.
>> I have no expertise as I avoid Facebook, twitter etc as the plague they
>> are.
>> For unknown reasons he dose not wish to complain to local Better Business
>> Bureau or the state Attorney General.
>> 
>> At the minimum, "What questions should I be asking him?"
>> 
>> I'm using BCC (blind carbon copy) to inform him on how I'm attempting to
>> ask questions that will elicit useful input.
>> 
>> For my brother's benefit, this thread is view-able at
>> starthttp://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/2018-February/thread
>> 
>> My brother has privacy concerns which I wish to respect.
>> I wish him to be able to access the responses I get.
>> 
>> If anyone can suggest how I could better handle this -- public or private
>> responses requested.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[PLUG] [OT?] Internet privacy? ?? ???

2018-02-02 Thread Richard Owlett 

Called my brother to wish him a "Happy Birthday".
As I'm the geek sibling, he asked a geek type question.
He has been viewing youtube(sp?) videos.
He suspects they have been publishing his email address.
He objects.

I asked about contact info in the "privacy" statement - he found none.
I have no expertise as I avoid Facebook, twitter etc as the plague they are.
For unknown reasons he dose not wish to complain to local Better 
Business Bureau or the state Attorney General.


At the minimum, "What questions should I be asking him?"

I'm using BCC (blind carbon copy) to inform him on how I'm attempting to 
ask questions that will elicit useful input.


For my brother's benefit, this thread is view-able at
 starthttp://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/2018-February/thread

My brother has privacy concerns which I wish to respect.
I wish him to be able to access the responses I get.

If anyone can suggest how I could better handle this -- public or 
private responses requested.






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Re: [PLUG] Domain dead; Mailman sends monthly reminders [FINAL NOTE]

2018-02-02 Thread Rich Shepard 

On Thu, 1 Feb 2018, Rich Shepard wrote:


A curios situation. The SQL Ledger fork, ledger123, died some time in the
past few years without notice to those of us who used the software for
business bookkeeping or those of us on the mail list. I moved all
bookkeeping (business and personal to GnuCash) so this did not bother --
or affect -- me.


  Armaghan responded to my message sent to his gmail account and he writes
that he'll straighten out everything. This morning I did a couple of final
checks and documented the strange state of the domains and web sites. I
present this here just to close this thread.

   According to 'whois' ledger123.com expired last December, but
ledger123.org was just renewed for another year. However, www.ledger123.org
does not exist while www.ledger123.com brings up a working site (with a
copyright date of 2018). Huh?

   On the .com site the mailing list links point to the .org site. I've no
idea of the ledger123 status because of the inconsistencies between the .com
and .org TLDs. E-mail to sql-ledger-unsubscr...@ledger123.org (from the
displayed web page) and to the .com name produce no responses.

  My suspicion is that ledger123's dead and he's moved on to other things,
further east than London.

Whadda' mess,

Rich


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