Re: [PLUG] Alea jacta est*

2018-02-08 Thread Tomas Kuchta 
I have similar setup to what JJ picked.

I chose a Corsair 650W PSU for only reason - the PSU fan is off below 200W.
I have yet to hear it turning on, even at full load. I am not a gamer,
internal Gfx is plenty fast for me.

Unless one need add on Gfx., 300W is plenty. 4x 3.5" hdd RAID is less than
additional 40W at full load.

With 300W PSU he should be at ideal power efficiency most of the time too.

Just my 2c,
-T

On Feb 8, 2018 3:56 PM, "John Jason Jordan"  wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 00:23:42 -0800
> King Beowulf  dijo:
>
> >No quibbles here except for the power supply.
> >
> >300W is going to be a bit thin at load even with intel GPU, and a HD or
> >two, some USB stuff and you are already pushing almost 200W at load.
> >Also, this power supply is for older style AT boards. You need ATX
> >power supply unless you want to modify plugs and use adapters - and
> >have enough 3.3V and 12V amps.
> >Don't skimp on the power supply.  A poor choice can fry all the other
> >components.
>
> The CPU is rated at 91w full load. I can't find specs for the
> motherboard and RAM. As for drives, there will be two optical drives,
> but all the other storage will be SSD. There will be one case fan. I
> find it difficult to believe that I will exceed 300w.
>
> However I do take to heart your comment about ATX. I knew that the
> motherboard was ATX, but it never occurred to me that power supplies
> were not universal. I just bought the cheapest 300w power supply they
> had.
>
> Having said the above, the computer I will be putting together is a
> replacement for a seven-year old computer in a case with a 500x Antec
> EA-500 power supply:
>
> https://www.antec.com/product.php?Type=c:\boot.ini&id=MTIxNQ==&lan=jp
>
> Antec's web site does not say if it is an ATX power supply, but it is
> currently powering an ATX motherboard, so it probably is. The only
> reasons I bought the new power supply is because the existing case,
> power supply, RAM, motherboard and CPU will go to a good home, and sans
> power supply it is not plug and play, plus the existing power supply
> is now seven years old. Still, it is a backup.
>
> >Also, hope you budgeted heatsink/fan and thermal compound.  I new Free
> >Geek has boxes of heatsinks but not all will fit the newer CPUs.
> >Cooler Master and Thermaltake in the $20-30 range are good.
> >
> >Also, I've recently switched from Arctic Silver 5 thermal compound to
> >the non-electrically conductive Arctic MX-4. 8 yr durability, stays
> >soft. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAB7G5F67951
>
> This is also something that I did not buy. Free Geek has nothing for
> socket 1151. Best Buy at Jantzen Beach might have a heatsink/fan and
> thermal compound but Best Buy no longer answers their phones inside
> the store. Damn, I miss ENUinc. It looks like I might need to make a
> trip to Wilsonville before next Saturday (18th).
>
> Thanks for the heads up!
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Re: [PLUG] Alea jacta est*

2018-02-08 Thread Nat Taylor 
So, I have a 100 series ASUS lga 1151 motherboard, and haven't bought the
cpu for it.  The 100 series chipset (H110) was made for the 6700k cpus, but
the 7700k, etc are backwards compatible.
The 6700k is a Skylake (which just got the latest spectre microcode update)
Would you get a 6700k or a 7700k?
(actually, I'm gonna go 6600k or 7600k due to financial reasons (Amazon
Gift Cards!), but figured I'd relate to the current thread)

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 3:57 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 00:23:42 -0800
> King Beowulf  dijo:
>
> >No quibbles here except for the power supply.
> >
> >300W is going to be a bit thin at load even with intel GPU, and a HD or
> >two, some USB stuff and you are already pushing almost 200W at load.
> >Also, this power supply is for older style AT boards. You need ATX
> >power supply unless you want to modify plugs and use adapters - and
> >have enough 3.3V and 12V amps.
> >Don't skimp on the power supply.  A poor choice can fry all the other
> >components.
>
> The CPU is rated at 91w full load. I can't find specs for the
> motherboard and RAM. As for drives, there will be two optical drives,
> but all the other storage will be SSD. There will be one case fan. I
> find it difficult to believe that I will exceed 300w.
>
> However I do take to heart your comment about ATX. I knew that the
> motherboard was ATX, but it never occurred to me that power supplies
> were not universal. I just bought the cheapest 300w power supply they
> had.
>
> Having said the above, the computer I will be putting together is a
> replacement for a seven-year old computer in a case with a 500x Antec
> EA-500 power supply:
>
> https://www.antec.com/product.php?Type=c:\boot.ini&id=MTIxNQ==&lan=jp
>
> Antec's web site does not say if it is an ATX power supply, but it is
> currently powering an ATX motherboard, so it probably is. The only
> reasons I bought the new power supply is because the existing case,
> power supply, RAM, motherboard and CPU will go to a good home, and sans
> power supply it is not plug and play, plus the existing power supply
> is now seven years old. Still, it is a backup.
>
> >Also, hope you budgeted heatsink/fan and thermal compound.  I new Free
> >Geek has boxes of heatsinks but not all will fit the newer CPUs.
> >Cooler Master and Thermaltake in the $20-30 range are good.
> >
> >Also, I've recently switched from Arctic Silver 5 thermal compound to
> >the non-electrically conductive Arctic MX-4. 8 yr durability, stays
> >soft. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAB7G5F67951
>
> This is also something that I did not buy. Free Geek has nothing for
> socket 1151. Best Buy at Jantzen Beach might have a heatsink/fan and
> thermal compound but Best Buy no longer answers their phones inside
> the store. Damn, I miss ENUinc. It looks like I might need to make a
> trip to Wilsonville before next Saturday (18th).
>
> Thanks for the heads up!
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Re: [PLUG] Alea jacta est*

2018-02-08 Thread John Jason Jordan 
On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 00:23:42 -0800
King Beowulf  dijo:

>No quibbles here except for the power supply.
>
>300W is going to be a bit thin at load even with intel GPU, and a HD or
>two, some USB stuff and you are already pushing almost 200W at load.
>Also, this power supply is for older style AT boards. You need ATX
>power supply unless you want to modify plugs and use adapters - and
>have enough 3.3V and 12V amps.  
>Don't skimp on the power supply.  A poor choice can fry all the other
>components.

The CPU is rated at 91w full load. I can't find specs for the
motherboard and RAM. As for drives, there will be two optical drives,
but all the other storage will be SSD. There will be one case fan. I
find it difficult to believe that I will exceed 300w. 

However I do take to heart your comment about ATX. I knew that the
motherboard was ATX, but it never occurred to me that power supplies
were not universal. I just bought the cheapest 300w power supply they
had. 

Having said the above, the computer I will be putting together is a
replacement for a seven-year old computer in a case with a 500x Antec
EA-500 power supply:

https://www.antec.com/product.php?Type=c:\boot.ini&id=MTIxNQ==&lan=jp

Antec's web site does not say if it is an ATX power supply, but it is
currently powering an ATX motherboard, so it probably is. The only
reasons I bought the new power supply is because the existing case,
power supply, RAM, motherboard and CPU will go to a good home, and sans
power supply it is not plug and play, plus the existing power supply
is now seven years old. Still, it is a backup. 

>Also, hope you budgeted heatsink/fan and thermal compound.  I new Free
>Geek has boxes of heatsinks but not all will fit the newer CPUs.
>Cooler Master and Thermaltake in the $20-30 range are good.
>
>Also, I've recently switched from Arctic Silver 5 thermal compound to
>the non-electrically conductive Arctic MX-4. 8 yr durability, stays
>soft. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAB7G5F67951

This is also something that I did not buy. Free Geek has nothing for
socket 1151. Best Buy at Jantzen Beach might have a heatsink/fan and
thermal compound but Best Buy no longer answers their phones inside
the store. Damn, I miss ENUinc. It looks like I might need to make a
trip to Wilsonville before next Saturday (18th).

Thanks for the heads up!
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Re: [PLUG] Why Slackware

2018-02-08 Thread Rich Shepard 

On Thu, 8 Feb 2018, Mke C> wrote:

Thanks not only for the Slackware info Rich, but also for the vocabulary 
lesson.


  You're welcome, Mike.


  I'd really like to run a BSD desktop distro some day. The last one I
  tried, DragonFly BSD, a few years ago didn't get off the ground on my
  computer. Looks like it's still being actively developed as the last
  version was released in Dec '17.


  A lot of folks are running FreeBSD and seem as content as we are with
linux.

Best regards,

Rich
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[PLUG] Why Slackware

2018-02-08 Thread Mke C> 

On 02/08/2018 12:00 PM, plug-requ...@pdxlinux.org wrote:

FWIW, I defenestrated to linux in 1997, ran Red Hat for 6 years, then
switched to Slackware-8.0. I work the same way with it in the current 14.2,
and did learn the hard way to install_everything_  even when I did not need
it.

Enjoy:


Thanks not only for the Slackware info Rich, but also for the vocabulary 
lesson. I especially liked this very timely definition - "**a usually 
swift dismissal or expulsion (as from a political party or office)


 * thedefenestrationof political leaders"

   I'd really like to run a BSD desktop distro some day. The last one I
   tried, DragonFly BSD, a few years ago didn't get off the ground on
   my computer. Looks like it's still being actively developed as the
   last version was released in Dec '17.

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[PLUG] Why Slackware

2018-02-08 Thread Rich Shepard 

  My posting of this URL is not intended to start a distribution flame war,
we had enough of these in the 1990s, but to inform newer converts to linux
about the bare-bones distribution: Slackware. I'm sure Ed, Wayne, and a
couple of others will be nodding their heads as they read this, as I did.

  FWIW, I defenestrated to linux in 1997, ran Red Hat for 6 years, then
switched to Slackware-8.0. I work the same way with it in the current 14.2,
and did learn the hard way to install _everything_ even when I did not need
it.

  Enjoy:


Rich


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Re: [PLUG] Alea jacta est*

2018-02-08 Thread King Beowulf 
On 02/07/2018 02:29 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote:
> It should all be here in 4-5 days, plenty of time for assembling during
> the February 18 Clinic.
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117726
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233859
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157754
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811990012
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817338010
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1W8-0032-00043
> 

No quibbles here except for the power supply.

300W is going to be a bit thin at load even with intel GPU, and a HD or
two, some USB stuff and you are already pushing almost 200W at load.
Also, this power supply is for older style AT boards. You need ATX power
supply unless you want to modify plugs and use adapters - and have
enough 3.3V and 12V amps.  Consider instead:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139198
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153233
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438038

Don't skimp on the power supply.  A poor choice can fry all the other
components.

Also, hope you budgeted heatsink/fan and thermal compound.  I new Free
Geek has boxes of heatsinks but not all will fit the newer CPUs.  Cooler
Master and Thermaltake in the $20-30 range are good.

Also, I've recently switched from Arctic Silver 5 thermal compound to
the non-electrically conductive Arctic MX-4. 8 yr durability, stays soft.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAB7G5F67951

-Ed




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