Re: [PLUG] New computer

[Russell Senior]

Have you been able to try switching from UEFI to legacy boot?

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 10:58 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:38:55 -0800
> Russell Senior  dijo:
>
>>Try a different live-image.  Even 17.04.x (you can always dist-upgrade
>>if you want).
>
> Good idea. But it didn't make any difference. I tried 17.04 and it gave
> me exactly the same error messages, exactly, to the letter. :(
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[John Jason Jordan]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:38:55 -0800
Russell Senior  dijo:

>Try a different live-image.  Even 17.04.x (you can always dist-upgrade
>if you want).

Good idea. But it didn't make any difference. I tried 17.04 and it gave
me exactly the same error messages, exactly, to the letter. :(
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[John Jason Jordan]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 21:51:49 -0800
Russell Senior  dijo:

I tried several different USB ports and I also burned it to a DVD, and
it always hangs. The OS that I'm trying to install is Xubuntu 17.10.1.
At the Clinic Tomas installed OpenSuse to the hard disk, and it hangs
if I try to boot it.

Here are the error messages from Xubuntu (hand copied):

[0.00] [Frmware Bug]:TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata:
Please update microcode to version: 0x52 (or later)
[6.660695] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdb] No caching mode page found
[6.660709] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[35.866524] ata8.00: exception Emask 0x52 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x
action 0xe frozen

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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[John Jason Jordan]

Happy happy! I don't need a new monitor!

I finally broke down and went to Fry's where I got an HDMI > DVI
adapter. I plugged it into the monitor's DVI connector and then used my
HDMI cable to connect it to the motherboard's HDMI output. When I
booted the computer it came up with OpenSuse that Tomas had installed
while we had it on the TV at Free Geek. (OpenSuse hangs and won't
finish booting, but I'm going to replace it anyway.)

Once the monitor gets what it thinks is a DVI signal the Menu button
works - that is, it sort of works because I can't find the option to
change the input from DVI to HDMI. But at least the monitor is not
hopelessly broken, as I feared before.

Now I need to get it to boot to a USB stick, but it insists on trying
to boot OpenSuse. According to the motherboard manual it's an AMI BIOS,
but I can't get into it. Every magic key that I tried fails to bring up
the BIOS. And the motherboard manual fails to state what the key is. At
the Clinic Tomas mentioned that the motherboard manual sucks. He was
right.
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Re: [PLUG] Multiple independent terminals on a single machinde

[Russell Senior]

I don't know what your goals are, fwiw.  It might help to spell them out.

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Richard Owlett  wrote:
> Elsewhere it has been suggested that KDE "activities" matches my goals.
> I also been pointed to fvwm and fvwm-crystal.
> This morning I've been reading
>
>
>   and
>   
>
> I've just used Synaptic to install fvwm-crystal and KDE.
> It appears that fvwm-crystal should be optimal for my idiosyncratic
> preferences. Now to reboot and see what happens 
> Thank you.
>
>
> On 02/19/2018 01:40 AM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:
>>
>> It is not the desktop environment doing the console, graphical or text,
>> switching. It is done by kernel or by X. The graphic console is being
>> setup
>> by login manager - that is usually tied to the desktop environment these
>> days.
>>
>> So if you run Ubuntu or Kubuntu you will most likely have different login
>> managers between them. That is what I tried to say - if you use different
>> login managers than the ones coming by default with KDE or Gnome - locking
>> the session might not give you the option to start new one.
>>
>> Anyway, did you try to lock the screen - can you start new session and
>> login as different user from the unlock screen? If yes then you should be
>> able to switch between the sessions either through the lock screen or by
>> Ctrl+Alt+F7/8...
>>
>> For different text consoles - Ctrl+Alt+F1/2/3/4/... should just work.
>>
>> If I understand your question correctly.
>>
>> T
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2018 4:12 AM, "Richard Owlett"  wrote:
>>
>>> On 02/17/2018 11:07 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:
>>>
 I use mainly KDE/Gnome so things are probably different with Mate,
 depending on your login manager. You could change that, I guess.

>>>
>>> I don't understand the string "KDE/Gnome".
>>> I thought that KDE and Gnome were both Desktop Environments - an
>>> "either/or" situation.
>>> I gotten hints in my reading so far that KDE has some WM-like properties.
>>> Just color me confuzed ;/
>>>
>>>
 On the physical PC - I start new independent graphical session by
 locking
 the screen and starting new session with different user. Switching
 between
 the session is done by Ctrl+Alt+F7-8-9-...

 For remote multi terminal access there is ssh for text or VNC for
 graphical
 environment.

>>>
>>> For purposes of my question my universe consists of a single physical
>>> Lenovo T510.
>>>
>>>
 Tomas
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[Johnathan Mantey]

That doesn't say what was on the other end of the HDMI cable at the monitor
side.  It could have been attached to VGA for all we know, even if that is
unlikely.  It does at least prove the new computer has a functioning HDMI
output.  This implies the monitor may not have auto-detection of the active
video input.  This reinforces the suggestion to use the configuration UI on
the monitor to activate the HDMI input as the primary input.

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Tomas Kuchta  wrote:

> We connected to the TV at FreeGeek through it's existing HDMI cable. It all
> worked fine, without any kind of trouble.
>
> Every recent enough TV probably has HDMI these days.
>
> I prefer Display Port over HDMI. It has historically been trouble free
> experience. Though my bad taste for DVI and HDMI is probably skewed by
> using higher resolution high gamut photographic screens. It probably makes
> no difference to ordinary screens these days.
>
> Tomas
>
> On Feb 19, 2018 9:49 AM, "Michael Rasmussen"  wrote:
>
> On 2018-02-19 09:26, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 05:50:18 -0800 (PST)
> > Rich Shepard  dijo:
> >
> >   Did the video work at the clinic?
> >>
> >
> > Yes, but we did not have any monitors with HDMI, so we connected it to
> > the big TV screen on the south wall of the room. I was not the one who
> > connected it, so I don't know what kind of cable/connector was used.
> > but it did work, so at least I know that the video output from the
> > motherboard is functional. It has two connectors - HDMI and DisplayPort.
> >
>
> Do you have a TV with HDMI input?
>
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[Tomas Kuchta]

We connected to the TV at FreeGeek through it's existing HDMI cable. It all
worked fine, without any kind of trouble.

Every recent enough TV probably has HDMI these days.

I prefer Display Port over HDMI. It has historically been trouble free
experience. Though my bad taste for DVI and HDMI is probably skewed by
using higher resolution high gamut photographic screens. It probably makes
no difference to ordinary screens these days.

Tomas

On Feb 19, 2018 9:49 AM, "Michael Rasmussen"  wrote:

On 2018-02-19 09:26, John Jason Jordan wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 05:50:18 -0800 (PST)
> Rich Shepard  dijo:
>
>   Did the video work at the clinic?
>>
>
> Yes, but we did not have any monitors with HDMI, so we connected it to
> the big TV screen on the south wall of the room. I was not the one who
> connected it, so I don't know what kind of cable/connector was used.
> but it did work, so at least I know that the video output from the
> motherboard is functional. It has two connectors - HDMI and DisplayPort.
>

Do you have a TV with HDMI input?

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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[Michael Rasmussen]

On 2018-02-19 09:26, John Jason Jordan wrote:

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 05:50:18 -0800 (PST)
Rich Shepard  dijo:


  Did the video work at the clinic?


Yes, but we did not have any monitors with HDMI, so we connected it to
the big TV screen on the south wall of the room. I was not the one who
connected it, so I don't know what kind of cable/connector was used.
but it did work, so at least I know that the video output from the
motherboard is functional. It has two connectors - HDMI and 
DisplayPort.


Do you have a TV with HDMI input?

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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[John Jason Jordan]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 07:24:25 -0800
Johnathan Mantey  dijo:

>One issue I have run into with a 4U server is that the BIOS was
>configured to only output on the on-board VGA output.  This despite
>having a PCIe graphics card.  Since you are relying on the on-board
>graphics you may want to get a VGA monitor long enough to alter your
>BIOS settings.  Obviously last Sunday you had a working system.  What
>type of display device did you use to complete the build?

Free Geek may have some monitors with HDMI or DisplayPort, but they
were not easily locatable, so we used the TV screen mounted on the wall
in the room we use for the Clinics. The only connectors on the
motherboard are HDMI and DiusplayPort, so we used one of them, probably
HDMI. (I'm not the one who plugged it in.) I can't connect VGA without
some kind of adapter, but if I had one my ASUS monitor has VGA, HDMI
and DVI. Except that I can't get the Menu to work on the monitor so I
can't change it out of DVI. 

This morning my head is clearer and I have decided to just buy a new
monitor. The ASUS is, after all, seven years old, and new ones are not
terribly expensive. 
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[Rich Shepard]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018, John Jason Jordan wrote:


Yes, but we did not have any monitors with HDMI, so we connected it to
the big TV screen on the south wall of the room. I was not the one who
connected it, so I don't know what kind of cable/connector was used.
but it did work, so at least I know that the video output from the
motherboard is functional. It has two connectors - HDMI and DisplayPort.


John,

  So the issue is monitor or cable. That's good to know.


I thought the thrift store changed to being open on Mondays. On the other
hand the roads here are frozen and my only vehicle is a two-wheel drive
pickup - the worst vehicle ever for traction. I do have chains, but
they're a PITA. And I have homework to do for class tomorrow at PSU. And
if I run out of that there is always housecleaning.


  Could be open today; I assumed the store was open only Tu-Sa, but I've not
been there for a while.

  Roads aren't fun here in the east, either.

  Germane to your pickup truck, take a look at . I've
a 4wd, 3/4-ton pickup and crossed the Blue Mountains on I-84 during a
late-April blizzard a number of years ago, but it wasn't fun. Snow's OK, but
with ice it doesn't matter how many wheels are driven, they all slide. Extra
weight in the bed helps in all seasons. When the roads are dry but rough
(such as Portland's potholes) the weight keeps the back from bouncing
around.

Best regards,

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[John Jason Jordan]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 05:50:18 -0800 (PST)
Rich Shepard  dijo:

>   Did the video work at the clinic?

Yes, but we did not have any monitors with HDMI, so we connected it to
the big TV screen on the south wall of the room. I was not the one who
connected it, so I don't know what kind of cable/connector was used.
but it did work, so at least I know that the video output from the
motherboard is functional. It has two connectors - HDMI and DisplayPort.

>   While FreeGeek is not open today 

I thought the thrift store changed to being open on Mondays. On the
other hand the roads here are frozen and my only vehicle is a two-wheel
drive pickup - the worst vehicle ever for traction. I do have chains,
but they're a PITA. And I have homework to do for class tomorrow at
PSU. And if I run out of that there is always housecleaning. 
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[Johnathan Mantey]

One issue I have run into with a 4U server is that the BIOS was configured
to only output on the on-board VGA output.  This despite having a PCIe
graphics card.  Since you are relying on the on-board graphics you may want
to get a VGA monitor long enough to alter your BIOS settings.  Obviously
last Sunday you had a working system.  What type of display device did you
use to complete the build?

Johnathan

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 5:50 AM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>
> When I got home with the new HDMI cable I plugged it in, but the monitor
>> just says 'no signal.' I also tried booting to an Ubuntu USB stick, but
>> still no signal to the monitor. My laptop also has an HDMI output so I
>> tried that, but still no signal to the monitor.
>>
>
> John,
>
>   Did the video work at the clinic?
>
>   While FreeGeek is not open today they're a good source for monitors. And
> having a spare on hand is always helpful in determining whether a monitor
> is
> dead or just resting.
>
>   My Acer is many years old, never off, and still works so it might be a
> cable or connection issue with your monitor.
>
> Rich
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Re: [PLUG] New computer

[Rich Shepard]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2018, John Jason Jordan wrote:


When I got home with the new HDMI cable I plugged it in, but the monitor
just says 'no signal.' I also tried booting to an Ubuntu USB stick, but
still no signal to the monitor. My laptop also has an HDMI output so I
tried that, but still no signal to the monitor.


John,

  Did the video work at the clinic?

  While FreeGeek is not open today they're a good source for monitors. And
having a spare on hand is always helpful in determining whether a monitor is
dead or just resting.

  My Acer is many years old, never off, and still works so it might be a
cable or connection issue with your monitor.

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Gaming graphics cards?

[Tomas K]

I think that you are against the physics here, not against any
particular piece of a software.

Normal RGB pixel is 3*8b=24b
1920*1080*24b*30fps=1,492,992,000
Yes, that is 1.5Gb/s just in raw pixels no image frame or network
overhead. Gamers typically prefer 60fps to feel fast shooters and need
to respond pretty fast.

Those display cables carry pretty awesome bandwidth and with pretty low
latency. Just imagine what that network speed and latency will do to
the game, MS+magic or not. That traffic must come out of Dfx card, to X
then through network stack back to X and another Gfx card. 

If you are thinking about saving money by throwing 10Gb network at it,
I would sleep on it. Cheap PC with cheap graphics card can give you
better and cheaper gaming experience.

Alternatively you could do it other way around and get decent
workstation and run server workload on it when not gaming. That would
work just fine.

Just saying, Tomas

On Sat, 2018-02-17 at 22:47 -0800, Tyrell Jentink wrote:
> On Feb 17, 2018 20:55, "Tomas Kuchta" 
> wrote:
> 
> In regards to your server room VM setup idea - how are you planning
> to
> display the stuff from far away server room?
> 
> 
> If Linux ends up sucking for this, I will cry a small tear, then
> install
> Windows in the KVM Virtual Machine, and use RemoteFX (
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RemoteFX)
> 
> But SURELY X is flexible enough to outdo anything Microsoft built
> into
> RDP... I just haven't made it that far in my research yet.
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