Re: [PLUG] ls -d does not work as it should
On 06/25/2018 05:08 PM, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > On 2018-06-25 16:18, Steve Christiansen wrote: >> On 6/25/2018 3:52 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: >> >>> According to 'man ls' the -d option should 'list directories >>> themselves, not their >>> contents'. But, here it doesn't work. For example from within ~/: >>> >>> $ ls -d >>> ./ >>> >>> $ ls --directory >>> ./ >>> >>> I doubt this is a Slackware issue and I'm curious why it might not be >>> working as expected. Has anyone else run into this issue? >>> >>> Rich >>> ___ >>> PLUG mailing list >>> PLUG@pdxlinux.org >>> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >>> >> >> Rich, >> It's working as expected. >> "ls" with no arguments lists the contents of the current directory. >> "ls -d" with no other arguments lists the current directory, not its >> contents, which is of course "." > > To expand that on that correct response, > > try ls -d */ > > for an edited example: > michael$ ls -d */ > Documents > Downloads > Finance > Pictures > ... > > > Rich, Indeed, another unfortunate example of bad documentation grammar. programmers are historically poor at this. "list directories themselves, not their contents" talks about the directory you are in, not the directories _below_ the one you are in (i.e. contents). So I would write the description as "list the current directory, not its contents" "ls -l" assumes "ls -l ." so "ls -d" assumes ls -d ." ls [OPTION]... [FILE]... the [FILE] is not really optional! We tend to forget about "." and ".." As per Michael above, if you what the directory "contents" of where you are: ls -d * # assumes "./*" ls -d */ # assumes "./*" ls -d $PWD # expanded "." ls -d $PWD/* 0r ls -d /* -Ed signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] ls -d does not work as it should
Wow .. so many responses ... I also feel that I should express my outrage about your daring "ls does not do what it should". Pretty confident statement! Well, the problem is that ./ is the directory you are trying to list in your example. There is also ../ present. These dot names are important for traversing the directory tree back. Without them life would be much more difficult and also significantly slower. Git is popular example how painful it can be if you can trace ownership/relationship one way only. Linus is my hero, but this seems to be some oversight. Tomas On Mon, Jun 25, 2018, 5:41 PM Rich Shepard wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, Brian Stanaland wrote: > > > I don't understand why this works but... > > > > ls -d */ > > Brian, > >Okay ... that's another interesting solution. > > Thanks, > > Rich > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] ls -d does not work as it should
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, Brian Stanaland wrote: I don't understand why this works but... ls -d */ Brian, Okay ... that's another interesting solution. Thanks, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] ls -d does not work as it should
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, John Meissen wrote: I generally take the easy way and just do ls -l | grep drw You could do find . -type d -maxdepth 1 Or if you want it sorted, find . -type d -maxdepth 1 | sort Each has it's own quirks. Thanks, John. Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] ls -d does not work as it should
On 2018-06-25 16:18, Steve Christiansen wrote: On 6/25/2018 3:52 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: According to 'man ls' the -d option should 'list directories themselves, not their contents'. But, here it doesn't work. For example from within ~/: $ ls -d ./ $ ls --directory ./ I doubt this is a Slackware issue and I'm curious why it might not be working as expected. Has anyone else run into this issue? Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug Rich, It's working as expected. "ls" with no arguments lists the contents of the current directory. "ls -d" with no other arguments lists the current directory, not its contents, which is of course "." To expand that on that correct response, try ls -d */ for an edited example: michael$ ls -d */ Documents Downloads Finance Pictures ... -- Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon Be Appropriate && Follow Your Curiosity ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] ls -d does not work as it should
On 6/25/2018 4:38 PM, Brian Stanaland wrote: I don't understand why this works but... ls -d */ [root@li1233-197 log]# ls -d */ anaconda/ audit/ chrony/ httpd/ rhsm/ sa/ tuned/ Brian Brilliant! It works because of shell globbing. Compare to echo */ Steve On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 7:34 PM, John Meissen wrote: rshep...@appl-ecosys.com said: What option would you use to list only subdirectories and not files in the cwd or the subdirectories? I generally take the easy way and just do ls -l | grep drw You could do find . -type d -maxdepth 1 Or if you want it sorted, find . -type d -maxdepth 1 | sort Each has it's own quirks. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] ls -d does not work as it should
On 6/25/2018 4:22 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: Steve, I interpreted the man page as using the -d option to list only subdirectories of the cwd. Why would ls have an option to tell you you're in the current working directory? I agree that -d by itself is next to useless, but it's helpful with wildcards. To list the names of files and directories beginning with, say, the letter "a" ls -d a* The -d prevents the command from listing directories' contents instead of their names. What option would you use to list only subdirectories and not files in the cwd or the subdirectories? I don't know if ls will do that without some kind of filter. I usually do something like find * -type d -prune The -prune prevents recursion all the way down the directory tree. Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] ls -d does not work as it should
I don't understand why this works but... ls -d */ [root@li1233-197 log]# ls -d */ anaconda/ audit/ chrony/ httpd/ rhsm/ sa/ tuned/ Brian On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 7:34 PM, John Meissen wrote: > > rshep...@appl-ecosys.com said: > >What option would you use to list only subdirectories and not files > in the > > cwd or the subdirectories? > > I generally take the easy way and just do > ls -l | grep drw > > You could do > find . -type d -maxdepth 1 > > Or if you want it sorted, > find . -type d -maxdepth 1 | sort > > Each has it's own quirks. > > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." -Albert Einstein ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] ls -d does not work as it should
rshep...@appl-ecosys.com said: >What option would you use to list only subdirectories and not files in the > cwd or the subdirectories? I generally take the easy way and just do ls -l | grep drw You could do find . -type d -maxdepth 1 Or if you want it sorted, find . -type d -maxdepth 1 | sort Each has it's own quirks. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] ls -d does not work as it should
My memory may be failing me. I'm pretty sure I used '-d' to get a listing of all entries in the cwd that are marked as directories. So if I $(mkdir foo bar baz) and then use 'ls -d' I expect to see "./ ./foo ./bar ./baz". On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Steve Christiansen wrote: > On 6/25/2018 3:52 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > > According to 'man ls' the -d option should 'list directories themselves, >> not their >> contents'. But, here it doesn't work. For example from within ~/: >> >> $ ls -d >> ./ >> >> $ ls --directory >> ./ >> >> I doubt this is a Slackware issue and I'm curious why it might not be >> working as expected. Has anyone else run into this issue? >> >> Rich >> ___ >> PLUG mailing list >> PLUG@pdxlinux.org >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> > Rich, > It's working as expected. > "ls" with no arguments lists the contents of the current directory. > "ls -d" with no other arguments lists the current directory, not its > contents, which is of course "." > > Steve > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] ls -d does not work as it should
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, Steve Christiansen wrote: It's working as expected. "ls" with no arguments lists the contents of the current directory. "ls -d" with no other arguments lists the current directory, not its contents, which is of course "." Steve, I interpreted the man page as using the -d option to list only subdirectories of the cwd. Why would ls have an option to tell you you're in the current working directory? What option would you use to list only subdirectories and not files in the cwd or the subdirectories? Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] ls -d does not work as it should
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, Dick Steffens wrote: Results on UbuntuMATE 16.04: rsteff@ENU-2:~$ ls -d . rsteff@ENU-2:~$ Huh! I'm glad to see I'm not the only one missing the expected results. Is there a mail list where this deficiency can be pointed out to the appropriate developer(s)? Thanks, Dick, Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] ls -d does not work as it should
On 6/25/2018 3:52 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: According to 'man ls' the -d option should 'list directories themselves, not their contents'. But, here it doesn't work. For example from within ~/: $ ls -d ./ $ ls --directory ./ I doubt this is a Slackware issue and I'm curious why it might not be working as expected. Has anyone else run into this issue? Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug Rich, It's working as expected. "ls" with no arguments lists the contents of the current directory. "ls -d" with no other arguments lists the current directory, not its contents, which is of course "." Steve ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] ls -d does not work as it should
On 06/25/2018 03:52 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: According to 'man ls' the -d option should 'list directories themselves, not their contents'. But, here it doesn't work. For example from within ~/: $ ls -d ./ $ ls --directory ./ I doubt this is a Slackware issue and I'm curious why it might not be working as expected. Has anyone else run into this issue? Results on UbuntuMATE 16.04: rsteff@ENU-2:~$ ls -d . rsteff@ENU-2:~$ -- Regards, Dick Steffens ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] ls -d does not work as it should
According to 'man ls' the -d option should 'list directories themselves, not their contents'. But, here it doesn't work. For example from within ~/: $ ls -d ./ $ ls --directory ./ I doubt this is a Slackware issue and I'm curious why it might not be working as expected. Has anyone else run into this issue? Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Introduction - from Niagara Falls NY
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, Mark Phillips wrote: Mostly a heating expertjust put the computer outside in July and watch it melt! ;) Think of it as dry curing to preserve it without refrigeration. Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Introduction - from Niagara Falls NY
Mostly a heating expertjust put the computer outside in July and watch it melt! ;) Mark On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:39 AM, Paul Heinlein wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, Mark Phillips wrote: > > Here is one in Arizona! >> > > Our system cooling expert? :-) > > > -- > Paul Heinlein > heinl...@madboa.com > 45°38' N, 122°6' W > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Introduction - from Niagara Falls NY
I am having to learn how to keep red sand out of everything. That is the color and basis for dirt around here. It gets in everything, and it is very fine, and very red. On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Paul Heinlein wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, Mark Phillips wrote: > > Here is one in Arizona! >> > > Our system cooling expert? :-) > > > -- > Paul Heinlein > heinl...@madboa.com > 45°38' N, 122°6' W > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Ph 4:13 KJV Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece. Fil 4:13 RVR1960 ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Introduction - from Niagara Falls NY
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, Mark Phillips wrote: Here is one in Arizona! Our system cooling expert? :-) -- Paul Heinlein heinl...@madboa.com 45°38' N, 122°6' W___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] [OT ? ?? ???] Linux and computer literacy
I am all for exploring weird corners out of curiosity. But your aversion to using network devices to do networking is just perverse. I spent the Thursday-Saturday re-exploring dial-up modem networking. Turns out I had 5 dial-up modems of various descriptions in my basement. I was at ToorCamp on Orcas Island in the San Juan Islands in northwestern Washington, where ShadyTel had set up a temporary telephone system complete with twisted pair runs to tents and T1 trunk lines between upper and lower camp, and indecipherable service request forms. Along with some others, I rediscovered (approximately) how mgetty works. We made and answered dialup phone calls, we re-remembered Hayes AT commands, and wrote a rudimentary-but-effective bulletin board system using Bash, the Bourne Again Shell. We had mixed success with fax, because we hadn't brought a fax machine with us, and it was difficult to find reliable information on the internet today that described how to send random images on a file system from a scannerless fax/modem. It was all great fun. For a few days. Because we all knew how to do it once, and it had a nostalgic appeal. When I got home, I gladly returned to ethernet. Because I want to be able to copy files to accomplish other goals before my brief biological existence has expired. If you want to avoid ethernet, it would be super helpful to explain why, so we can better understand the motivation behind your constraints. On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:05 AM, wes wrote: > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 6:43 AM, Richard Owlett > wrote: > > > On 06/24/2018 06:48 PM, wes wrote: > > > >> [snip] > >> > >> I've just ordered one so I can play with it for a bit myself. Perhaps at > >> the next Linux Clinic, if we have time, we can invite Richard to > >> participate remotely. > >> > > > > Should be "educational" ;/ > > I know of the existence of software, but have never attempted using. > > What software is used? Is there a good tutorial for someone coming to it > > cold? > > > What do you normally use to copy files? Probably something similar to that. > > > > > > > >> I also found the following writeups of people doing similar things with > >> this device: > >> > >> http://paulswasteland.blogspot.com/2014/01/getting-prolific- > >> pl-2501-based-usb-to.html > >> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/ > >> host-to-host-cable%3B-no-usb0-779573/ > >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/516923 > >> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=131042 > >> > >> The last one suggests that it "just works" - the previous 3 are older > and > >> talk about requiring a patch to a kernel module to get this cable to > work. > >> We don't really know what Richard's particular situation is. > >> > > > > The last one triggered some searches and following a mish-mash of links. > > I saw multiple mention of "USBNET" but I don't any Debian references > > although the are Ubuntu related links. > > > > When searching Synaptic separately for Avahi and zeroconf I do have > > several modules installed. Am I missing a particular module. I'm > currently > > running Debian 9 but don't have the DVD set. I have a Debian 8 set and > will > > do a less minimalist install. > > > > I also suspect that I need to use an older version to math what various > > references were using. I suspect that change of device naming conventions > > is muddying the waters - I've DVD sets going back to Squeeze. > > > > > You can probably avoid that requirement by configuring the network > interfaces manually, assuming there is not some missing piece of the puzzle > here. I haven't yet seen you attempt that and report results (maybe I > missed it). > > -wes > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Introduction - from Niagara Falls NY
Here is one in Arizona! Mark On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 8:08 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, Chuck Hast wrote: > > Well, I know that we have 1 in MO (RichardO.) I am in OKC, OK, and now NY, >> wonder where else we have people. >> > > In the past we had members in Toronto, Fort Collins, and Belgium, plus > others I don't recall. > > Rich > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] [OT ? ?? ???] Linux and computer literacy
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 6:43 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 06/24/2018 06:48 PM, wes wrote: > >> [snip] >> >> I've just ordered one so I can play with it for a bit myself. Perhaps at >> the next Linux Clinic, if we have time, we can invite Richard to >> participate remotely. >> > > Should be "educational" ;/ > I know of the existence of software, but have never attempted using. > What software is used? Is there a good tutorial for someone coming to it > cold? What do you normally use to copy files? Probably something similar to that. > > >> I also found the following writeups of people doing similar things with >> this device: >> >> http://paulswasteland.blogspot.com/2014/01/getting-prolific- >> pl-2501-based-usb-to.html >> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/ >> host-to-host-cable%3B-no-usb0-779573/ >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/516923 >> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=131042 >> >> The last one suggests that it "just works" - the previous 3 are older and >> talk about requiring a patch to a kernel module to get this cable to work. >> We don't really know what Richard's particular situation is. >> > > The last one triggered some searches and following a mish-mash of links. > I saw multiple mention of "USBNET" but I don't any Debian references > although the are Ubuntu related links. > > When searching Synaptic separately for Avahi and zeroconf I do have > several modules installed. Am I missing a particular module. I'm currently > running Debian 9 but don't have the DVD set. I have a Debian 8 set and will > do a less minimalist install. > > I also suspect that I need to use an older version to math what various > references were using. I suspect that change of device naming conventions > is muddying the waters - I've DVD sets going back to Squeeze. > > You can probably avoid that requirement by configuring the network interfaces manually, assuming there is not some missing piece of the puzzle here. I haven't yet seen you attempt that and report results (maybe I missed it). -wes ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Introduction - from Niagara Falls NY
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, Chuck Hast wrote: Well, I know that we have 1 in MO (RichardO.) I am in OKC, OK, and now NY, wonder where else we have people. In the past we had members in Toronto, Fort Collins, and Belgium, plus others I don't recall. Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Introduction - from Niagara Falls NY
On 06/25/2018 09:41 AM, Chuck Hast wrote: Well, I know that we have 1 in MO (RichardO.) I am in OKC, OK, and now NY, wonder where else we have people. I recall someone in Australia. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Introduction - from Niagara Falls NY
Well, I know that we have 1 in MO (RichardO.) I am in OKC, OK, and now NY, wonder where else we have people. On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Paul Heinlein wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, Paul Heinlein wrote: > > Remember our motto: You're a PLUG member is you say you're a PLUG member. >> > > s/is/if/ > > Sigh. Obviously a pre-coffee response. > > Friends don't let friends drive e-mail without caffeine. > > > -- > Paul Heinlein > heinl...@madboa.com > 45°38' N, 122°6' W > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Ph 4:13 KJV Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece. Fil 4:13 RVR1960 ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Introduction - from Niagara Falls NY
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, Paul Heinlein wrote: Remember our motto: You're a PLUG member is you say you're a PLUG member. s/is/if/ Sigh. Obviously a pre-coffee response. Friends don't let friends drive e-mail without caffeine. -- Paul Heinlein heinl...@madboa.com 45°38' N, 122°6' W___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Introduction - from Niagara Falls NY
On Sun, 24 Jun 2018, J. Hart wrote: I have been following your activities both on the PLUG list and via live streaming from the meetings for the last couple of months, and thought it might be time to introduce myself. Remember our motto: You're a PLUG member is you say you're a PLUG member. It's good to hear we're expanding from the current American northwest to the old American northwest! I've pretty heavily involved with Linux itself for over twenty years, having started to use it when the lab began a changeover from the many other Unix systems they were using at the time (ex. SunOS/Solaris, IRIX, HP-UX, AIX, various Connection Machines, etc). I was able to avoid AIX, but SunOS, IRIX, and HP-UX (ick!) have all fallen under my purview at one time or another. We still use the Solaris-based OmniOS for file-server duties. Glad you decided to introduce yourself! Welcome! -- Paul Heinlein heinl...@madboa.com 45°38' N, 122°6' W___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] [OT ? ?? ???] Linux and computer literacy
On 06/24/2018 06:48 PM, wes wrote: [snip] I've just ordered one so I can play with it for a bit myself. Perhaps at the next Linux Clinic, if we have time, we can invite Richard to participate remotely. Should be "educational" ;/ I know of the existence of software, but have never attempted using. What software is used? Is there a good tutorial for someone coming to it cold? I also found the following writeups of people doing similar things with this device: http://paulswasteland.blogspot.com/2014/01/getting-prolific-pl-2501-based-usb-to.html https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/host-to-host-cable%3B-no-usb0-779573/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/516923 https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=131042 The last one suggests that it "just works" - the previous 3 are older and talk about requiring a patch to a kernel module to get this cable to work. We don't really know what Richard's particular situation is. The last one triggered some searches and following a mish-mash of links. I saw multiple mention of "USBNET" but I don't any Debian references although the are Ubuntu related links. When searching Synaptic separately for Avahi and zeroconf I do have several modules installed. Am I missing a particular module. I'm currently running Debian 9 but don't have the DVD set. I have a Debian 8 set and will do a less minimalist install. I also suspect that I need to use an older version to math what various references were using. I suspect that change of device naming conventions is muddying the waters - I've DVD sets going back to Squeeze. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
