Re: [PLUG] Alea jacta est*

[Tomas Kuchta]

I have similar setup to what JJ picked.

I chose a Corsair 650W PSU for only reason - the PSU fan is off below 200W.
I have yet to hear it turning on, even at full load. I am not a gamer,
internal Gfx is plenty fast for me.

Unless one need add on Gfx., 300W is plenty. 4x 3.5" hdd RAID is less than
additional 40W at full load.

With 300W PSU he should be at ideal power efficiency most of the time too.

Just my 2c,
-T

On Feb 8, 2018 3:56 PM, "John Jason Jordan"  wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 00:23:42 -0800
> King Beowulf  dijo:
>
> >No quibbles here except for the power supply.
> >
> >300W is going to be a bit thin at load even with intel GPU, and a HD or
> >two, some USB stuff and you are already pushing almost 200W at load.
> >Also, this power supply is for older style AT boards. You need ATX
> >power supply unless you want to modify plugs and use adapters - and
> >have enough 3.3V and 12V amps.
> >Don't skimp on the power supply.  A poor choice can fry all the other
> >components.
>
> The CPU is rated at 91w full load. I can't find specs for the
> motherboard and RAM. As for drives, there will be two optical drives,
> but all the other storage will be SSD. There will be one case fan. I
> find it difficult to believe that I will exceed 300w.
>
> However I do take to heart your comment about ATX. I knew that the
> motherboard was ATX, but it never occurred to me that power supplies
> were not universal. I just bought the cheapest 300w power supply they
> had.
>
> Having said the above, the computer I will be putting together is a
> replacement for a seven-year old computer in a case with a 500x Antec
> EA-500 power supply:
>
> https://www.antec.com/product.php?Type=c:\boot.ini=MTIxNQ===jp
>
> Antec's web site does not say if it is an ATX power supply, but it is
> currently powering an ATX motherboard, so it probably is. The only
> reasons I bought the new power supply is because the existing case,
> power supply, RAM, motherboard and CPU will go to a good home, and sans
> power supply it is not plug and play, plus the existing power supply
> is now seven years old. Still, it is a backup.
>
> >Also, hope you budgeted heatsink/fan and thermal compound.  I new Free
> >Geek has boxes of heatsinks but not all will fit the newer CPUs.
> >Cooler Master and Thermaltake in the $20-30 range are good.
> >
> >Also, I've recently switched from Arctic Silver 5 thermal compound to
> >the non-electrically conductive Arctic MX-4. 8 yr durability, stays
> >soft. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAB7G5F67951
>
> This is also something that I did not buy. Free Geek has nothing for
> socket 1151. Best Buy at Jantzen Beach might have a heatsink/fan and
> thermal compound but Best Buy no longer answers their phones inside
> the store. Damn, I miss ENUinc. It looks like I might need to make a
> trip to Wilsonville before next Saturday (18th).
>
> Thanks for the heads up!
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Re: [PLUG] Alea jacta est*

[John Jason Jordan]

On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 00:23:42 -0800
King Beowulf  dijo:

>No quibbles here except for the power supply.
>
>300W is going to be a bit thin at load even with intel GPU, and a HD or
>two, some USB stuff and you are already pushing almost 200W at load.
>Also, this power supply is for older style AT boards. You need ATX
>power supply unless you want to modify plugs and use adapters - and
>have enough 3.3V and 12V amps.  
>Don't skimp on the power supply.  A poor choice can fry all the other
>components.

The CPU is rated at 91w full load. I can't find specs for the
motherboard and RAM. As for drives, there will be two optical drives,
but all the other storage will be SSD. There will be one case fan. I
find it difficult to believe that I will exceed 300w. 

However I do take to heart your comment about ATX. I knew that the
motherboard was ATX, but it never occurred to me that power supplies
were not universal. I just bought the cheapest 300w power supply they
had. 

Having said the above, the computer I will be putting together is a
replacement for a seven-year old computer in a case with a 500x Antec
EA-500 power supply:

https://www.antec.com/product.php?Type=c:\boot.ini=MTIxNQ===jp

Antec's web site does not say if it is an ATX power supply, but it is
currently powering an ATX motherboard, so it probably is. The only
reasons I bought the new power supply is because the existing case,
power supply, RAM, motherboard and CPU will go to a good home, and sans
power supply it is not plug and play, plus the existing power supply
is now seven years old. Still, it is a backup. 

>Also, hope you budgeted heatsink/fan and thermal compound.  I new Free
>Geek has boxes of heatsinks but not all will fit the newer CPUs.
>Cooler Master and Thermaltake in the $20-30 range are good.
>
>Also, I've recently switched from Arctic Silver 5 thermal compound to
>the non-electrically conductive Arctic MX-4. 8 yr durability, stays
>soft. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAB7G5F67951

This is also something that I did not buy. Free Geek has nothing for
socket 1151. Best Buy at Jantzen Beach might have a heatsink/fan and
thermal compound but Best Buy no longer answers their phones inside
the store. Damn, I miss ENUinc. It looks like I might need to make a
trip to Wilsonville before next Saturday (18th).

Thanks for the heads up!
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Re: [PLUG] Alea jacta est*

[King Beowulf]

On 02/07/2018 02:29 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote:
> It should all be here in 4-5 days, plenty of time for assembling during
> the February 18 Clinic.
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117726
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233859
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157754
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811990012
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817338010
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1W8-0032-00043
> 

No quibbles here except for the power supply.

300W is going to be a bit thin at load even with intel GPU, and a HD or
two, some USB stuff and you are already pushing almost 200W at load.
Also, this power supply is for older style AT boards. You need ATX power
supply unless you want to modify plugs and use adapters - and have
enough 3.3V and 12V amps.  Consider instead:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139198
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153233
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438038

Don't skimp on the power supply.  A poor choice can fry all the other
components.

Also, hope you budgeted heatsink/fan and thermal compound.  I new Free
Geek has boxes of heatsinks but not all will fit the newer CPUs.  Cooler
Master and Thermaltake in the $20-30 range are good.

Also, I've recently switched from Arctic Silver 5 thermal compound to
the non-electrically conductive Arctic MX-4. 8 yr durability, stays soft.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAB7G5F67951

-Ed




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Re: [PLUG] Alea jacta est*

[Denis Heidtmann]

He was likely a linguist.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:29 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> It should all be here in 4-5 days, plenty of time for assembling during
> the February 18 Clinic.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117726
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233859
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157754
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811990012
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817338010
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1W8-0032-00043
>
> *Latin, commonly translated as 'the die is cast.' In fact, the English
> expression refers to 'alea' as 'die' (one of a pair of dice), but the
> Romans had no dice; the alea was a game piece that was thrown during
> play, but it wasn't actually what we think of today as a die. And
> while I'm at it, what idiot decided that the plural of die should be
> dice?
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Re: [PLUG] Alea jacta est*

[Matt McKenzie]

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:29 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> It should all be here in 4-5 days, plenty of time for assembling during
> the February 18 Clinic.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117726
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233859
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157754
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811990012
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817338010
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1W8-0032-00043
>
> *Latin, commonly translated as 'the die is cast.' In fact, the English
> expression refers to 'alea' as 'die' (one of a pair of dice), but the
> Romans had no dice; the alea was a game piece that was thrown during
> play, but it wasn't actually what we think of today as a die. And
> while I'm at it, what idiot decided that the plural of die should be
> dice?
> ___
>


Huzzah on the new beastie, looks like a pretty darn decent setup.

Looks like you are using the built in Intel HD graphics and not a discrete
GPU, otherwise you would probably be posting on the list about sticker
shock!
(grumble grumble crypto miners grumble grumble)



Also for a bit of Latin fun:

>From Buffy The Vampire Slayer:
Xander: "You can't just go...'librem incendire' and expect..." *woosh*
Giles: "Xander... don't speak Latin in front of the books"

https://youtu.be/WyPhX-geVfw






Matt M.
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Re: [PLUG] Alea jacta est*

[Michael Barnes]

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:29 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

>
> *Latin, commonly translated as 'the die is cast.' In fact, the English
> expression refers to 'alea' as 'die' (one of a pair of dice), but the
> Romans had no dice; the alea was a game piece that was thrown during
> play, but it wasn't actually what we think of today as a die. And
> while I'm at it, what idiot decided that the plural of die should be
> dice?
> ___
>

If you apply reverse logic, analogous to mice, shouldn't the singular be
'douse' instead of 'die'? English is such a fickle language.
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[PLUG] Alea jacta est*

[John Jason Jordan]

It should all be here in 4-5 days, plenty of time for assembling during
the February 18 Clinic.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117726

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233859

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157754

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811990012

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817338010

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1W8-0032-00043

*Latin, commonly translated as 'the die is cast.' In fact, the English
expression refers to 'alea' as 'die' (one of a pair of dice), but the
Romans had no dice; the alea was a game piece that was thrown during
play, but it wasn't actually what we think of today as a die. And
while I'm at it, what idiot decided that the plural of die should be
dice?
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