Re: [PLUG] Parts shopping for new desktop
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, John Jason Jordan wrote: That may be a true prediction, but at the moment a SATA Express port plus the device to mount in the front panel is the only way I can find to get USB 3.1 Gen. 2 in the front of a desktop computer. I can find plenty of motherboards that offer ports accessible in the back of the computer, but I don't want to have to crawl around on the floor behind the computer to plug in a portable drive. John, Perhaps a more parsimonious solution for you is to buy either a long USB cable or a USB hub supporting the speed you want, plug that into a socket on the rear of the motherboard and extend it to the front where it's easily reached. Rich ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Parts shopping for new desktop
Or mount it on an old record player. On 33 rpm, you'll get a chance every couple seconds! ;-) On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 10:53 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote: > I love your suggestion Dennis, priceless! > > > > On Feb 6, 2018 9:26 PM, "Denis Heidtmann" wrote: > >> My previous desktop did not have front USB, so I had a short extension >> cable bringing USB to the front. Now that was 2.0, so I do not know if >> something running at 10Gbps could tolerate such a solution, but I bet not. >> I believe the reason for SATA Express is that it can accommodate higher >> bandwidth. And that bandwidth may be the reason Gen 2 it is relegated to >> the back. >> >> Just turn your machine around. No need for those lights and buttons and >> drives. >> >> -Denis >> >> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 9:17 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: >> >> > On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 20:40:15 -0800 >> > Denis Heidtmann dijo: >> > >> > >I did a brief search and found a prediction that the SATA Express "may >> > >never catch on." >> > >> > That may be a true prediction, but at the moment a SATA Express port >> > plus the device to mount in the front panel is the only way I can find >> > to get USB 3.1 Gen. 2 in the front of a desktop computer. I can find >> > plenty of motherboards that offer ports accessible in the back of the >> > computer, but I don't want to have to crawl around on the floor behind >> > the computer to plug in a portable drive. >> > >> > For the benefit of those who may be wondering what I'm yammering about, >> > let me clarify the current situation re USB. USB 1.1 is now so old that >> > it is safely forgotten, having been replaced by USB 2.0 (480Mbps). USB >> > 2.0 was then replaced by USB 3.0 (5Gbps). USB 3.0 was recently >> > superseded by USB 3.1 (10Gbps). However, for reasons I cannot grasp, it >> > has been decided to rename USB 3.0 as 'USB 3.1 Generation 1' and the >> > new 10Gbps version as USB 3.1 Generation 2.' The result is a mass of >> > confusion on vendors' web sites as most older copy has not been >> > updated. >> > >> > My computing makes moderately heavy use of disc I/O. At this time I >> > have no portable devices with USB 3.1 Gen 2, but the computer I'm >> > replacing is 7-8 years old, so I am building a new one that I hope will >> > serve my needs for just as long. It won't be very long before Gen 2 >> > becomes the norm, so it makes sense to be ready for it. >> > ___ >> > PLUG mailing list >> > PLUG@pdxlinux.org >> > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > >> ___ >> PLUG mailing list >> PLUG@pdxlinux.org >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Parts shopping for new desktop
I love your suggestion Dennis, priceless! On Feb 6, 2018 9:26 PM, "Denis Heidtmann" wrote: > My previous desktop did not have front USB, so I had a short extension > cable bringing USB to the front. Now that was 2.0, so I do not know if > something running at 10Gbps could tolerate such a solution, but I bet not. > I believe the reason for SATA Express is that it can accommodate higher > bandwidth. And that bandwidth may be the reason Gen 2 it is relegated to > the back. > > Just turn your machine around. No need for those lights and buttons and > drives. > > -Denis > > On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 9:17 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > > > On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 20:40:15 -0800 > > Denis Heidtmann dijo: > > > > >I did a brief search and found a prediction that the SATA Express "may > > >never catch on." > > > > That may be a true prediction, but at the moment a SATA Express port > > plus the device to mount in the front panel is the only way I can find > > to get USB 3.1 Gen. 2 in the front of a desktop computer. I can find > > plenty of motherboards that offer ports accessible in the back of the > > computer, but I don't want to have to crawl around on the floor behind > > the computer to plug in a portable drive. > > > > For the benefit of those who may be wondering what I'm yammering about, > > let me clarify the current situation re USB. USB 1.1 is now so old that > > it is safely forgotten, having been replaced by USB 2.0 (480Mbps). USB > > 2.0 was then replaced by USB 3.0 (5Gbps). USB 3.0 was recently > > superseded by USB 3.1 (10Gbps). However, for reasons I cannot grasp, it > > has been decided to rename USB 3.0 as 'USB 3.1 Generation 1' and the > > new 10Gbps version as USB 3.1 Generation 2.' The result is a mass of > > confusion on vendors' web sites as most older copy has not been > > updated. > > > > My computing makes moderately heavy use of disc I/O. At this time I > > have no portable devices with USB 3.1 Gen 2, but the computer I'm > > replacing is 7-8 years old, so I am building a new one that I hope will > > serve my needs for just as long. It won't be very long before Gen 2 > > becomes the norm, so it makes sense to be ready for it. > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Parts shopping for new desktop
My previous desktop did not have front USB, so I had a short extension cable bringing USB to the front. Now that was 2.0, so I do not know if something running at 10Gbps could tolerate such a solution, but I bet not. I believe the reason for SATA Express is that it can accommodate higher bandwidth. And that bandwidth may be the reason Gen 2 it is relegated to the back. Just turn your machine around. No need for those lights and buttons and drives. -Denis On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 9:17 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 20:40:15 -0800 > Denis Heidtmann dijo: > > >I did a brief search and found a prediction that the SATA Express "may > >never catch on." > > That may be a true prediction, but at the moment a SATA Express port > plus the device to mount in the front panel is the only way I can find > to get USB 3.1 Gen. 2 in the front of a desktop computer. I can find > plenty of motherboards that offer ports accessible in the back of the > computer, but I don't want to have to crawl around on the floor behind > the computer to plug in a portable drive. > > For the benefit of those who may be wondering what I'm yammering about, > let me clarify the current situation re USB. USB 1.1 is now so old that > it is safely forgotten, having been replaced by USB 2.0 (480Mbps). USB > 2.0 was then replaced by USB 3.0 (5Gbps). USB 3.0 was recently > superseded by USB 3.1 (10Gbps). However, for reasons I cannot grasp, it > has been decided to rename USB 3.0 as 'USB 3.1 Generation 1' and the > new 10Gbps version as USB 3.1 Generation 2.' The result is a mass of > confusion on vendors' web sites as most older copy has not been > updated. > > My computing makes moderately heavy use of disc I/O. At this time I > have no portable devices with USB 3.1 Gen 2, but the computer I'm > replacing is 7-8 years old, so I am building a new one that I hope will > serve my needs for just as long. It won't be very long before Gen 2 > becomes the norm, so it makes sense to be ready for it. > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Parts shopping for new desktop
On Feb 6, 2018 11:17 PM, "John Jason Jordan" wrote: On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 20:40:15 -0800 Denis Heidtmann dijo: >I did a brief search and found a prediction that the SATA Express "may >never catch on." That may be a true prediction, but at the moment a SATA Express port plus the device to mount in the front panel is the only way I can find to get USB 3.1 Gen. 2 in the front of a desktop computer. I can find plenty of motherboards that offer ports accessible in the back of the computer, but I don't want to have to crawl around on the floor behind the computer to plug in a portable drive. How about a short usb extension cable to a usb on the back? ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Parts shopping for new desktop
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 20:40:15 -0800 Denis Heidtmann dijo: >I did a brief search and found a prediction that the SATA Express "may >never catch on." That may be a true prediction, but at the moment a SATA Express port plus the device to mount in the front panel is the only way I can find to get USB 3.1 Gen. 2 in the front of a desktop computer. I can find plenty of motherboards that offer ports accessible in the back of the computer, but I don't want to have to crawl around on the floor behind the computer to plug in a portable drive. For the benefit of those who may be wondering what I'm yammering about, let me clarify the current situation re USB. USB 1.1 is now so old that it is safely forgotten, having been replaced by USB 2.0 (480Mbps). USB 2.0 was then replaced by USB 3.0 (5Gbps). USB 3.0 was recently superseded by USB 3.1 (10Gbps). However, for reasons I cannot grasp, it has been decided to rename USB 3.0 as 'USB 3.1 Generation 1' and the new 10Gbps version as USB 3.1 Generation 2.' The result is a mass of confusion on vendors' web sites as most older copy has not been updated. My computing makes moderately heavy use of disc I/O. At this time I have no portable devices with USB 3.1 Gen 2, but the computer I'm replacing is 7-8 years old, so I am building a new one that I hope will serve my needs for just as long. It won't be very long before Gen 2 becomes the norm, so it makes sense to be ready for it. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Parts shopping for new desktop
I am also looking, 2-3 even 4 yr old design would do it for me, although a 4X display is very tempting since I use my computer as a TV On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > I was just doing an installation on a 10 year old computer. One solution is > being less bleeding edge. :-) > > On Feb 6, 2018 8:40 PM, "Denis Heidtmann" > wrote: > > > I did a brief search and found a prediction that the SATA Express "may > > never catch on." > > > > -Denis > > > > On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 8:29 PM, John Jason Jordan > wrote: > > > > > For CPU I have settled on Intel i7 6700 or maybe 7700. The problems is > > > the motherboard because I insist on a USB 3.1 Gen. 2 port on the front > > > of the case, and that means an adapter like the following: > > > > > > https://tinyurl.com/ycbkjf55 > > > > > > Unfortunately, that adapter requires a SATA Express connector, and I > > > can't find any motherboards with a SATA Express connector - lots of > > > regular SATA3 connectors, but no SATA Express connectors. > > > > > > Shopping is a PITA. Any suggestions welcome! > > > ___ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Parts shopping for new desktop
I was just doing an installation on a 10 year old computer. One solution is being less bleeding edge. :-) On Feb 6, 2018 8:40 PM, "Denis Heidtmann" wrote: > I did a brief search and found a prediction that the SATA Express "may > never catch on." > > -Denis > > On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 8:29 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > > > For CPU I have settled on Intel i7 6700 or maybe 7700. The problems is > > the motherboard because I insist on a USB 3.1 Gen. 2 port on the front > > of the case, and that means an adapter like the following: > > > > https://tinyurl.com/ycbkjf55 > > > > Unfortunately, that adapter requires a SATA Express connector, and I > > can't find any motherboards with a SATA Express connector - lots of > > regular SATA3 connectors, but no SATA Express connectors. > > > > Shopping is a PITA. Any suggestions welcome! > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Parts shopping for new desktop
I did a brief search and found a prediction that the SATA Express "may never catch on." -Denis On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 8:29 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > For CPU I have settled on Intel i7 6700 or maybe 7700. The problems is > the motherboard because I insist on a USB 3.1 Gen. 2 port on the front > of the case, and that means an adapter like the following: > > https://tinyurl.com/ycbkjf55 > > Unfortunately, that adapter requires a SATA Express connector, and I > can't find any motherboards with a SATA Express connector - lots of > regular SATA3 connectors, but no SATA Express connectors. > > Shopping is a PITA. Any suggestions welcome! > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Parts shopping for new desktop
For CPU I have settled on Intel i7 6700 or maybe 7700. The problems is the motherboard because I insist on a USB 3.1 Gen. 2 port on the front of the case, and that means an adapter like the following: https://tinyurl.com/ycbkjf55 Unfortunately, that adapter requires a SATA Express connector, and I can't find any motherboards with a SATA Express connector - lots of regular SATA3 connectors, but no SATA Express connectors. Shopping is a PITA. Any suggestions welcome! ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
