Re: [PLUG] Testing Zoom-linux

[Michael Dexter]

On 2/4/21 4:02 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:

A quick web search found a description of meet.jit.si security @
. I think this addresses both of our concerns.


That sure sounds like early Wiki!

I do have colleagues looking into setting up an independent server.

I'll ask the PLUG ISP if it's on their radar.

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Re: [PLUG] Testing Zoom-linux

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 4 Feb 2021, Rich Shepard wrote:


Jitsi had a 'set password' link on the home page when a meeting was set
up. I don't know where it went. But, with the password meeting crashers
couldn't get in because they were not sent the password.


Michael,

A quick web search found a description of meet.jit.si security @
. I think this addresses both of our concerns.

Rich


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Re: [PLUG] Testing Zoom-linux

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 4 Feb 2021, Michael Dexter wrote:


For the December meeting I had a Zoom meeting standing by as Plan B.
Would this be wise should Jitsi be a problem? Attacked by squatters, etc?


Michael,

Jitsi had a 'set password' link on the home page when a meeting was set up.
I don't know where it went. But, with the password meeting crashers couldn't
get in because they were not sent the password.

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Testing Zoom-linux

[Michael Dexter]

On 2/4/21 1:58 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:

Any and all comments on the lack of audio output and sharing screens other
than that of zoom-linux are more than welcome.


For the December meeting I had a Zoom meeting standing by as Plan B.

Would this be wise should Jitsi be a problem? Attacked by squatters, etc?

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Re: [PLUG] Testing Zoom-linux

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021, Dick Steffens wrote:


The only way I've been able to know that audio is working is to log in to
the meeting on a second machine. There I can hear myself speaking on the
other machine, albeit with a delay. It's enough to verify the mic on the
first machine is working. It also helps confirm the video is doing what
it's supposed to be doing when sharing a screen.


Dick,

Do you schedule a meeting for yourself to do this testing?

If so I'll set one up and try using two instances of zoom-linux (with a
headset on, not using the webcam's microphone or the external speakers).
I need to learn what screen share shows and how to take it down when
finished.

Regards,

Rich

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Re: [PLUG] Testing Zoom-linux

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021, Ali Corbin wrote:


https://zoom.us/test

It'll show you your video, so that'll prove that your camera is working.
The microphone is harder. You can change it and test it, and see the bars
moving to prove that it's getting input. But I haven't found a way to play
back the sound to make sure that it's not garbled.


Ali,

I checked my headset (the Yamaha CM500, the only one working now) with
pavucontrol. The input VU bar bounced with the radio in the background and
my voice. The output tab showed the headphones selected.

Using that URL in firefox I selected Zoom as the device and confirmed that
the camera and headset worked; I could hear myself speaking as I looked at
the camera's output on the screen.

Now I'd like to learn how to test video and audio using zoom-linux. Should I
set up a meeting and be the only one to log in? What I want also to learn is
if I could use the screen share on small windows to display them at
appropriate times during my presentation.

I suppose there's a web site somewhere with that information and I'll be
sesarching for it this afternoon.

Stay well,

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Testing Zoom-linux

[Mark Allyn]

Also, what about this thing called OBS Ninja?

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 9:13 AM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, Ben Koenig wrote:
>
> > Some of the comments made by their marketing idiots about linux market
> > share was beyond stupid.
>
> Ben,
>
> Theoretically how would one measure market share for F/OSS? And, market
> share for what?
>
> > On the topic of security, there is not a single video chat application
> that
> > meets the requirements set by the Linux community. They ALL fail basic
> tests
> > in various areas be it security, vendor lock-in, or dumb UI/UX decisions.
>
> How's Jitsi?
>
> > The ONLY difference from one app to the next is the server it talks to.
> And
> > even that is just a variable set by some JSON config file. Given what we
> know
> > about Google's business model there is very little guarantee that the
> data is
> > being handled ethically since all of this sits on top of Chrome.
>
> Just being curious: is chromium different in this sense from Chrome?
>
> > Quality software takes time to develop. Unfortunately it seems the human
> race
> > has the collective intelligence of a cockroach colony and jumps on the
> first
> > piece of half-baked javascript they can find. It's fucking disgusting.
>
> Hey! What do you have against cockroaches? They've been around longer than
> humans. And after we all kill ourselves, cockroaches and horseshoe crabs
> will have the planet to themselves. Please don't denegrate cockroaches;
> #Cockroaches Matter! (They'll clean up all your kitchen crumbs if you don't
> have a dog.)
>
> Stay sane,
>
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Re: [PLUG] Testing Zoom-linux

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, Ben Koenig wrote:


Some of the comments made by their marketing idiots about linux market
share was beyond stupid.


Ben,

Theoretically how would one measure market share for F/OSS? And, market
share for what?

On the topic of security, there is not a single video chat application that 
meets the requirements set by the Linux community. They ALL fail basic tests 
in various areas be it security, vendor lock-in, or dumb UI/UX decisions.


How's Jitsi?

The ONLY difference from one app to the next is the server it talks to. And 
even that is just a variable set by some JSON config file. Given what we know 
about Google's business model there is very little guarantee that the data is 
being handled ethically since all of this sits on top of Chrome.


Just being curious: is chromium different in this sense from Chrome?

Quality software takes time to develop. Unfortunately it seems the human race 
has the collective intelligence of a cockroach colony and jumps on the first 
piece of half-baked javascript they can find. It's fucking disgusting.


Hey! What do you have against cockroaches? They've been around longer than
humans. And after we all kill ourselves, cockroaches and horseshoe crabs
will have the planet to themselves. Please don't denegrate cockroaches;
#Cockroaches Matter! (They'll clean up all your kitchen crumbs if you don't
have a dog.)

Stay sane,

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Testing Zoom-linux

[Ben Koenig]

On 1/27/21 10:44 PM, Tomas Kuchta wrote:

On Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 20:15 Michael Barnes  wrote:


Are there ways I can run tests here to ensure it all works properly?

TIA,

Rich


I'm kind of surprised as security conscious as this group is, that anyone
would use Zoom. Especially when there are so many better platforms (Free
Conference Call, Ring Central, etc.) available.

Michael
.


If you think that RingCentral is better than Zoom - you should know that
RingCental uses Zoom. It is not that difficult to figure it out.

-T



Given the attitude people at Ring Central have towards Linux users who 
gives a shit? Some of the comments made by their marketing idiots about 
linux market share was beyond stupid. People that dumb are nothing more 
than justification for a global eugenics program.



On the topic of security, there is not a single video chat application 
that meets the requirements set by the Linux community. They ALL fail 
basic tests in various areas be it security, vendor lock-in, or dumb 
UI/UX decisions.



In fact, arguing over the difference between different apps is 
ridiculous since the majority of them are based on Chrome. Very few of 
these apps have any control over how video is collected, processed, and 
saved. They all leverage the same exact software to interact with your 
mic and webcam.



The same software to connect to the internet.

The same software to display the UI.

The same software.


The ONLY difference from one app to the next is the server it talks to. 
And even that is just a variable set by some JSON config file. Given 
what we know about Google's business model there is very little 
guarantee that the data is being handled ethically since all of this 
sits on top of Chrome.



Quality software takes time to develop. Unfortunately it seems the human 
race has the collective intelligence of a cockroach colony and jumps on 
the first piece of half-baked javascript they can find. It's fucking 
disgusting.



https://xkcd.com/1508/

-Ben



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Re: [PLUG] Testing Zoom-linux

[Tomas Kuchta]

On Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 20:15 Michael Barnes  wrote:

> >
> > Are there ways I can run tests here to ensure it all works properly?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Rich
> >
>
> I'm kind of surprised as security conscious as this group is, that anyone
> would use Zoom. Especially when there are so many better platforms (Free
> Conference Call, Ring Central, etc.) available.
>
> Michael
> .


If you think that RingCentral is better than Zoom - you should know that
RingCental uses Zoom. It is not that difficult to figure it out.

-T

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Re: [PLUG] Testing Zoom-linux

[Jason Barnett]

We don't all have a choice. At my work, we use zoom and teams, neither of
which I would use if it were my choice.

Jason

On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 5:15 PM Michael Barnes 
wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 2:39 PM Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
>
> > I'll be presenting at a Zoom meeting in a couple of months and want to
> > ensure that my webcam and it's microphone (or an external mic) work
> well. I
> > know that pavucontrol recognizes the camera and external mic (I assume
> the
> > webcam mic, too, but haven't looked for it on pavucontrols input tab).
> >
> > Are there ways I can run tests here to ensure it all works properly?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Rich
> >
>
> I'm kind of surprised as security conscious as this group is, that anyone
> would use Zoom. Especially when there are so many better platforms (Free
> Conference Call, Ring Central, etc.) available.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Testing Zoom-linux

[Michael Barnes]

On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 2:39 PM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> I'll be presenting at a Zoom meeting in a couple of months and want to
> ensure that my webcam and it's microphone (or an external mic) work well. I
> know that pavucontrol recognizes the camera and external mic (I assume the
> webcam mic, too, but haven't looked for it on pavucontrols input tab).
>
> Are there ways I can run tests here to ensure it all works properly?
>
> TIA,
>
> Rich
>

I'm kind of surprised as security conscious as this group is, that anyone
would use Zoom. Especially when there are so many better platforms (Free
Conference Call, Ring Central, etc.) available.

Michael
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Re: [PLUG] Testing Zoom-linux

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021, Jason Barnett wrote:


If you want to do a full test, log in to the same meeting twice. I have
done this via two different browser tabs. I have never had luck being able
to test audio from the zoom test call, even when I know the mic works.


Jason,

I might try that. The installed zoom-linux is a stand-alone application
(which is updated weekly for some reason), not a web app.

Thanks,

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Testing Zoom-linux

[Dick Steffens]

On 1/27/21 2:57 PM, Jason Barnett wrote:

If you want to do a full test, log in to the same meeting twice. I have
done this via two different browser tabs.
I have never had luck being able to test audio from the zoom test call,
even when I know the mic works.


The only way I've been able to know that audio is working is to log in 
to the meeting on a second machine. There I can hear myself speaking on 
the other machine, albeit with a delay. It's enough to verify the mic on 
the first machine is working. It also helps confirm the video is doing 
what it's supposed to be doing when sharing a screen.


--
Regards,

Dick Steffens

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Re: [PLUG] Testing Zoom-linux

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021, Ali Corbin wrote:


https://zoom.us/test


Ali,

I found that one.


It'll show you your video, so that'll prove that your camera is working.
The microphone is harder. You can change it and test it, and see the bars
moving to prove that it's getting input. But I haven't found a way to play
back the sound to make sure that it's not garbled.


When I test the mic with pavucontrol I can see the visual 'vu' bar moving so
I know the mic's working.

When I record video tutorials (using vokoscreenNG) I use the webcam and
external mic. When I play back what I've recorded the output goes to the
external speakers.

For Jitsi I've used a headset. Would that be appropriate for a Zoom
presentation to a group or should I use the computer speakers?

Thanks,

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Re: [PLUG] Testing Zoom-linux

[Jason Barnett]

If you want to do a full test, log in to the same meeting twice. I have
done this via two different browser tabs.
I have never had luck being able to test audio from the zoom test call,
even when I know the mic works.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 2:39 PM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> I'll be presenting at a Zoom meeting in a couple of months and want to
> ensure that my webcam and it's microphone (or an external mic) work well. I
> know that pavucontrol recognizes the camera and external mic (I assume the
> webcam mic, too, but haven't looked for it on pavucontrols input tab).
>
> Are there ways I can run tests here to ensure it all works properly?
>
> TIA,
>
> Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Testing Zoom-linux

[Ali Corbin]

On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 2:39 PM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> I'll be presenting at a Zoom meeting in a couple of months and want to
> ensure that my webcam and it's microphone (or an external mic) work well. I
> know that pavucontrol recognizes the camera and external mic (I assume the
> webcam mic, too, but haven't looked for it on pavucontrols input tab).
>
> Are there ways I can run tests here to ensure it all works properly?
>
>
https://zoom.us/test

It'll show you your video, so that'll prove that your camera is working.
The microphone is harder.  You can change it and test it, and see the bars
moving to prove that it's getting input.  But I haven't found a way to play
back the sound to make sure that it's not garbled.
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Re: [PLUG] Testing Zoom-linux

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021, Rich Shepard wrote:


Are there ways I can run tests here to ensure it all works properly?


I found https://zoom.us/test.

Anything else?

Rich
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