Re: [OT] Thoughts on Adaptive Computing (Company)?
On Wed, May 25, 2011 00:43, Ryan Simpkins wrote: > What surprised me was that their scheduler source is available. It looks like > they released it under a custom license which may restrict use to > non-commercial. Still, probably a great way for a potential job candidate to > peek under the hood. I really should dig more before hitting send... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maui_Cluster_Scheduler http://mauischeduler.sourceforge.net/ (This version is GPL, but looks to be a dead project) "Maui Cluster Scheduler is currently maintained and supported by Adaptive Computing, Inc., although most new development has come to a standstill. A next-generation commercial scheduler is part of the Moab Cluster Suite and borrows many of the same concepts found in Maui." So this is an area of the GPL I don't quite get. Someone can come along and take the ideas in GPLd code and integrate it into a closed-source commercial product. Since GPL projects are very often collaborative volunteer efforts, it seems it would be rather unlikely those ideas would be patented. Which, interestingly, may be a really good thing. The more GPLd code out there the better, because it can potentially stop patent trolls from gaining new weapons. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT] Thoughts on Adaptive Computing (Company)?
On Wed, May 25, 2011 00:23, Levi Pearson wrote: > Huh, I'm kind of surprised I wasn't more aware of them, since they > sort of overlapped with what Linux Networx was doing. What surprised me was that their scheduler source is available. It looks like they released it under a custom license which may restrict use to non-commercial. Still, probably a great way for a potential job candidate to peek under the hood. http://www.adaptivecomputing.com/resources/docs/ http://www.adaptivecomputing.com/resources/downloads.php The "community" site with links to additional downloads/details: http://www.clusterresources.com/ The resource manager (TORQUE) is based off of OpenPBS: http://www.mcs.anl.gov/research/projects/openpbs/ You'll notice anl.gov links back to Adaptive Computing. -Ryan /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT] Thoughts on Adaptive Computing (Company)?
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Ryan Simpkins wrote: > Their COO is Michael Jackson. I think that makes 'em pretty freakin' cool. Who > WOULDN'T want to work with MJ? Maybe if it was zombie Michael Jackson, and he put on weekly live Thriller shows with his zombie buddies. Otherwise, working with either a dead guy or someone with the same name as a famous dead guy doesn't strike me as all that cool. ;) > For those not familiar with what they do, they write software that helps > schedule and manage HPC systems. Some of their customers include the big > national labs with gigantic compute farms. More info: > http://www.clusterresources.com/pages/products/moab-grid-suite.php > > It would be interesting to hear from David Jackson, their founder/CTO, about > how they are using FOSS technologies to enable their business. Based on their > job listings, it looks like they are at least using PHP and Cacti for graph > generation/reporting. Huh, I'm kind of surprised I wasn't more aware of them, since they sort of overlapped with what Linux Networx was doing. --Levi /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT] Thoughts on Adaptive Computing (Company)?
On Tue, May 24, 2011 14:45, Jonathan Duncan wrote: > > On 24 May 2011, at 13:24, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > >> Does anyone have experience working with a company called Adaptive >> Computing? >> I was recently contacted by a recruiter from there who was really >> selling the company as the next big opportunity for me. > > Is that not standard marketing rhetoric for any recruiter? ;) Their COO is Michael Jackson. I think that makes 'em pretty freakin' cool. Who WOULDN'T want to work with MJ? For those not familiar with what they do, they write software that helps schedule and manage HPC systems. Some of their customers include the big national labs with gigantic compute farms. More info: http://www.clusterresources.com/pages/products/moab-grid-suite.php It would be interesting to hear from David Jackson, their founder/CTO, about how they are using FOSS technologies to enable their business. Based on their job listings, it looks like they are at least using PHP and Cacti for graph generation/reporting. -Ryan /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
sybase iq 1502
guys, anyone here successfully installed sybase iq 15.2 network client on RHEL 4 x64 version. thanks in advance. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT] Social Network Privacy
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 15:08 -0600, Shane Hathaway wrote: > OTOH, you are willing to share your words on a 100% public mailing list. >What, in your opinion, is the difference between participation on a > public mailing list and having a semi-public Facebook account? (I could > answer that myself, but I'd rather hear from you since you probably have > better ideas.) Electronic friends are not the same as real friends. The illusion created by lists is less powerful and less treacherous than the illusion created by FB. I could add things like FB's constantly changing privacy policy, but for me the illusion of intimacy is the most important difference. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT] Social Network Privacy
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 15:58 -0700, Joshua Lutes wrote: > Right, I have all of my settings set to their most restricting. Until Zuckerberg decides that he can raise the stock price 3% by changing your privacy options again. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Updating the subject on forked threads
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 14:18 -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote: > Is it too much to ask, that when your entire reply has nothing to do with > the subject, that you change it, so for those of us using threading MUAs > can determine which replies in the thread we wish to read, and which we > don't? Yes. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT] Social Network Privacy
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 15:28 -0600, Jason Van Patten wrote: > so you think that people should be saved from their own stupidity?.. > Personally on this one i have to favor the libertarian view that it's > not my place to dictate to others how to think or act with respect to > their own safety or well being. Dude, what are you talking about? Go re-read the message. Your reply has nothing to do with that message or any other message in this thread. You're a libertarian. During checkups the doctor hits your knee and you spout an essay on the evils of socialism. We get it. But... In the future... Could you limit the axe grinding to a threads where it's actually related to the topic? KTHXBYE! /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT] Social Network Privacy
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Joshua Lutes wrote: > > Actually if the recipient of your email is not you, you can't depend on the > correspondence being private. Actually, if you merely send an email w/o TLS and/or you don't control the email server host and network you can consider it is not private. GPG FTW. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT] Social Network Privacy
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Alan Young wrote: > Actually, if the recipient of you're email is using google or yahoo or > even an isp you can't depend on you're correspondence being private. > Actually if the recipient of your email is not you, you can't depend on the correspondence being private. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT] Social Network Privacy
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 16:58, Joshua Lutes wrote: > it. Email or (gasp) face to face conversation is for private > correspondence. Actually, if the recipient of you're email is using google or yahoo or even an isp you can't depend on you're correspondence being private. -- Alan Young /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT] Social Network Privacy
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote: > It sounds like you're saying people behave differently on social > networks due to the illusion of privacy. In that case, aren't the > *people* at fault, not the social networks? Personally, I post on > Facebook only because that's where my friends go, but I regard anything > I post there as public and act accordingly. Most of my friends do the > same. > > Right, I have all of my settings set to their most restricting. You have to be my friend to see anything posted on my wall or any of my photographs and you only get to be my friend if you really are my friend. Still, I don't post things to my friends with the idea that only the intended recipients will view it. On the internet equals everyone can see it. Email or (gasp) face to face conversation is for private correspondence. Joshua. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Social Media and Privacy WAS Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Richard Esplin wrote: > I think you missed my point. > > To extend your analogy, I would only buy a weapon that was designed to > minimize accidental or irresponsible use. A gun sold by Facebook would fire > at my family whenever an advertiser told it to. Yes! "The whole artifice, the whole idea of fake friendship, is just bait laid by the lords of the clouds to lure hypothetical advertisers--we might call them messianic advertisers--who might someday show up." --Jaron Lanier, You Are Not a Gadget: A Manifesto Privacy implications aside, one of the biggest reasons I permanently deleted my FB account was because I felt it was a poor use of my time. That being said, I also feel that FB diminishes the identity of the individual(while concurrently monetizing the individual), encouraging a least common denominator approach to society. Time to get back to work. -- Lars /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Social Media and Privacy WAS Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
I think you missed my point. To extend your analogy, I would only buy a weapon that was designed to minimize accidental or irresponsible use. A gun sold by Facebook would fire at my family whenever an advertiser told it to. Richard On Tuesday May 24 2011 15:52:55 Jonathan Duncan wrote: > > On 24 May 2011, at 15:33, Richard Esplin wrote: > > > I don't think shunning all social media is necessarily the right approach. > > I really enjoy LinkedIn's ability to let me track my friend's careers. > > Google has made their share of mistakes, but I think they generally try and > > strike a healthy balance (their data liberation initiative I think is very > > important and I hope they learned from Buzz). Facebook seems oblivious to > > privacy concerns. Sometimes they seem to take privacy concerns as a > > brainstorming session for new revenue streams. > > > > It's going to take time to find the right balance. I'm sure we'll see lots > > of creepy stuff on the way. > > > > I love technology. Just like any tool, it can be used for good or evil. I > think Social Media is amazing. Of course, the more amazingly helpful a tool > is for "the good guys" the more amazingly helpful it is to "the bad guys". > Just because some "bad guy" has learned how to make my favorite tool into a > demon spawner, I am not going to stop using it. I think it is important that > everyone be made aware of the bad ways that tools can and are being used by > those other people. This way we can each individually better able to use the > tools wisely ourselves and teach our children appropriately. Being scared > away from using a tool gives the bad guys more control over us. They win > through the use of fear and terror. We lose when we let them get away with > it. > > What a handy tool that handgun is. Uh oh, a bad guy used it to kill someone. > That handgun tool must be bad. Shun the bad tool. Cower from the bad > people that perverted what I at first thought was a good tool. Make some > laws that hinder people from using that tool. Hmmm... odd, now only the bad > people have that really handy tool and they have even more control over us > because we stopped using it and have a more difficult time defending > ourselves against their perverted use of the tool. > > All too familiar. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Social Media and Privacy WAS Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
On 05/24/2011 03:52 PM, Jonathan Duncan wrote: > I love technology. Just like any tool, it can be used for good or > evil. I think Social Media is amazing. Of course, the more > amazingly helpful a tool is for "the good guys" the more amazingly > helpful it is to "the bad guys". Just because some "bad guy" has > learned how to make my favorite tool into a demon spawner, I am not > going to stop using it. I think it is important that everyone be > made aware of the bad ways that tools can and are being used by those > other people. This way we can each individually better able to use > the tools wisely ourselves and teach our children appropriately. > Being scared away from using a tool gives the bad guys more control > over us. They win through the use of fear and terror. We lose when > we let them get away with it. +1 Shane /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT] Social Network Privacy
On 05/24/2011 03:19 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > On the other hand, some folks seem convinced that their facebook > accounts are wonderful places to discuss the upcoming vacation where > they won't be home for two weeks. Oh and uncle Otto! Lets not forget > him, uncle Otto Beoutajob, he's such a hoot! > > Did you know he called in sick the other day just so he could catch > the game? OMG his boss is SUCH an idiot! Here's some pics of Otto at > the game, check out the size of the fatty he's smokin! You think he > rolled it himself or did Jimmy roll it for him? Heck with that beer > and that joint, no one would ever guess he works for letter agency here>. > > No you're right I don't see the difference. It sounds like you're saying people behave differently on social networks due to the illusion of privacy. In that case, aren't the *people* at fault, not the social networks? Personally, I post on Facebook only because that's where my friends go, but I regard anything I post there as public and act accordingly. Most of my friends do the same. Shane /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Social Media and Privacy WAS Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
On 24 May 2011, at 15:33, Richard Esplin wrote: > I don't think shunning all social media is necessarily the right approach. I > really enjoy LinkedIn's ability to let me track my friend's careers. Google > has made their share of mistakes, but I think they generally try and strike a > healthy balance (their data liberation initiative I think is very important > and I hope they learned from Buzz). Facebook seems oblivious to privacy > concerns. Sometimes they seem to take privacy concerns as a brainstorming > session for new revenue streams. > > It's going to take time to find the right balance. I'm sure we'll see lots of > creepy stuff on the way. > I love technology. Just like any tool, it can be used for good or evil. I think Social Media is amazing. Of course, the more amazingly helpful a tool is for "the good guys" the more amazingly helpful it is to "the bad guys". Just because some "bad guy" has learned how to make my favorite tool into a demon spawner, I am not going to stop using it. I think it is important that everyone be made aware of the bad ways that tools can and are being used by those other people. This way we can each individually better able to use the tools wisely ourselves and teach our children appropriately. Being scared away from using a tool gives the bad guys more control over us. They win through the use of fear and terror. We lose when we let them get away with it. What a handy tool that handgun is. Uh oh, a bad guy used it to kill someone. That handgun tool must be bad. Shun the bad tool. Cower from the bad people that perverted what I at first thought was a good tool. Make some laws that hinder people from using that tool. Hmmm... odd, now only the bad people have that really handy tool and they have even more control over us because we stopped using it and have a more difficult time defending ourselves against their perverted use of the tool. All too familiar. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Social Media and Privacy WAS Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
I don't think shunning all social media is necessarily the right approach. I really enjoy LinkedIn's ability to let me track my friend's careers. Google has made their share of mistakes, but I think they generally try and strike a healthy balance (their data liberation initiative I think is very important and I hope they learned from Buzz). Facebook seems oblivious to privacy concerns. Sometimes they seem to take privacy concerns as a brainstorming session for new revenue streams. It's going to take time to find the right balance. I'm sure we'll see lots of creepy stuff on the way. Richard On Tuesday May 24 2011 14:08:38 "S. Dale Morrey" wrote: > > Not different. I think they are creepy too. > > > > Cool technology. Immensely valuable for my local photo collection. But a > > globally searchable database has lots of sinister implications. > > > > And to be clear, I don't think it takes a jerk to create a regrettable > > scenario. Context is important, and things like Facebook make private > > relationships public without the additional context. Facebook pushes people > > to be as open and monetizable as possible, and they make it hard for you to > > audit or control your reputation. Complete control is a fantasy, but > > Facebook has repeatedly shown a willingness to ignore their users wishes in > > how and when information should be shared. > > > > Richard > > Lets not forget that the internet never forgets. > Who doesn't have some ummm, interesting photos floating around from > their more wild & woolly days. Making it easier to track that photo > of a long haired hippie with a beer in his hand giving the finger to > the camera and the world, back to that professional fella in a > business suit & tie, trying to feed his family, has shall we say, > interesting implications for that persons future. > > My advice to everyone is to stay the heck away from social media period. > For those of you who don't there are social media "erasers" but they > are run by lawyers and cost accordingly. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT] Social Network Privacy
so you think that people should be saved from their own stupidity?.. Personally on this one i have to favor the libertarian view that it's not my place to dictate to others how to think or act with respect to their own safety or well being. Jason P. Van Patten Website Development ja...@infogenix.com Infogenix: www.infogenix.com On 5/24/2011 3:19 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: >> OTOH, you are willing to share your words on a 100% public mailing list. >> What, in your opinion, is the difference between participation on a public >> mailing list and having a semi-public Facebook account? (I could answer >> that myself, but I'd rather hear from you since you probably have better >> ideas.) >> >> Shane >> > This list is public? > The real difference is I don't try to imagine that what I post here > are my own private thoughts. > While we're all "friendly", I don't believe anyone here believes that > there is any privacy at all on this list and so we conduct ourselves > accordingly. > > On the other hand, some folks seem convinced that their facebook > accounts are wonderful places to discuss the upcoming vacation where > they won't be home for two weeks. Oh and uncle Otto! Lets not forget > him, uncle Otto Beoutajob, he's such a hoot! > > Did you know he called in sick the other day just so he could catch > the game? OMG his boss is SUCH an idiot! Here's some pics of Otto at > the game, check out the size of the fatty he's smokin! You think he > rolled it himself or did Jimmy roll it for him? Heck with that beer > and that joint, no one would ever guess he works for letter agency here>. > > No you're right I don't see the difference. > > /* > PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net > Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug > Don't fear the penguin. > */ > /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT] Social Network Privacy
> OTOH, you are willing to share your words on a 100% public mailing list. > What, in your opinion, is the difference between participation on a public > mailing list and having a semi-public Facebook account? (I could answer > that myself, but I'd rather hear from you since you probably have better > ideas.) > > Shane > This list is public? The real difference is I don't try to imagine that what I post here are my own private thoughts. While we're all "friendly", I don't believe anyone here believes that there is any privacy at all on this list and so we conduct ourselves accordingly. On the other hand, some folks seem convinced that their facebook accounts are wonderful places to discuss the upcoming vacation where they won't be home for two weeks. Oh and uncle Otto! Lets not forget him, uncle Otto Beoutajob, he's such a hoot! Did you know he called in sick the other day just so he could catch the game? OMG his boss is SUCH an idiot! Here's some pics of Otto at the game, check out the size of the fatty he's smokin! You think he rolled it himself or did Jimmy roll it for him? Heck with that beer and that joint, no one would ever guess he works for . No you're right I don't see the difference. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT] Social Network Privacy
[Re-sent with a better subject and more trimming] On 05/24/2011 02:08 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > My advice to everyone is to stay the heck away from social media period. > For those of you who don't there are social media "erasers" but they > are run by lawyers and cost accordingly. OTOH, you are willing to share your words on a 100% public mailing list. What, in your opinion, is the difference between participation on a public mailing list and having a semi-public Facebook account? (I could answer that myself, but I'd rather hear from you since you probably have better ideas.) Shane /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
> Remember that best friend you had back in college, the one who got rich > and has been looking to repay you for being so willing to buy pizza on > your credit card? His bank account is overflowing and he's looking to > share the wealth. He might call your mother, neighbors, priest, and > girlfriend trying to give you a windfall. > > Corey Yeah, I remember him, evidently he became the Deputy Under Secretary of Finance for Nigramumbikistan and said if I sent him $4,000 via Eastern Onion, to cover the taxes he would send me the proceeds from the lottery I won. He also has a line on some ocean front property for sale in Southern Utah, dirt cheap! /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
On 05/24/2011 02:08 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: >> Not different. I think they are creepy too. >> >> Cool technology. Immensely valuable for my local photo collection. But a >> globally searchable database has lots of sinister implications. >> >> And to be clear, I don't think it takes a jerk to create a regrettable >> scenario. Context is important, and things like Facebook make private >> relationships public without the additional context. Facebook pushes people >> to be as open and monetizable as possible, and they make it hard for you to >> audit or control your reputation. Complete control is a fantasy, but >> Facebook has repeatedly shown a willingness to ignore their users wishes in >> how and when information should be shared. >> >> Richard > > Lets not forget that the internet never forgets. > Who doesn't have some ummm, interesting photos floating around from > their more wild& woolly days. Making it easier to track that photo > of a long haired hippie with a beer in his hand giving the finger to > the camera and the world, back to that professional fella in a > business suit& tie, trying to feed his family, has shall we say, > interesting implications for that persons future. > > My advice to everyone is to stay the heck away from social media period. > For those of you who don't there are social media "erasers" but they > are run by lawyers and cost accordingly. OTOH, you are willing to share your words on a 100% public mailing list. What, in your opinion, is the difference between participation on a public mailing list and having a semi-public Facebook account? (I could answer that myself, but I'd rather hear from you since you probably have better ideas.) Shane /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
On 05/24/2011 01:42 PM, Stuart Jansen wrote: > On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 12:28 -0700, Joshua Lutes wrote: >> What are they going to do with this information though? Should it matter to >> me that they are aware of who my friends are? My understanding is that they >> use the data to target advertising. Whatever. > > Ignoring the whole dystopian conspiracy angle which I consider valid, > but most people don't care about... I do love me a good dystopian conspiracy angle... > When a total stranger can find out information that used to be available > to intimate friend only, that's a security risk. Social engineering is > much easier if an attacker can drop a few details into the conversation > to make it sound like he's more connected than he really is. Identity > theft, financial fraund, data intrusion, etc. This is true. I'm not here to defend Facebook. Are there ways we can ameliorate these risks without losing the benefits of social networking? Are we blowing them out of proportion relative to other risks? > There are documented cases demonstrating that burglars find social media > a very useful resource. They can build a "shopping list" based on the > photos from the party you held three months ago, and schedule a visit > based on your wife's posts to her wall. That strikes me as a very similar argument to the one the Indian government made after it was discovered the Mumbai terrorists used Google Maps. "Shut it down!" they said, "or the terrorists will win". Well, duh they used Google Maps. They also used streets, electricity, running water. All these things have potential benefit to ne'er-do-wells, but that isn't reason to dismiss them entirely. > And then, of course, there's the times when you prefer not to be found. > Remember that credit card from back in college? The one you forgot to > close? Well the credit collectors do and its been racking up fees. > Because you're not answering your phone they're going to call your > mother, neighbors, priest, and girlfriend to pressure you. Whatever. Remember that best friend you had back in college, the one who got rich and has been looking to repay you for being so willing to buy pizza on your credit card? His bank account is overflowing and he's looking to share the wealth. He might call your mother, neighbors, priest, and girlfriend trying to give you a windfall. Corey signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT] Thoughts on Adaptive Computing (Company)?
On 24 May 2011, at 13:24, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > Does anyone have experience working with a company called Adaptive Computing? > I was recently contacted by a recruiter from there who was really > selling the company as the next big opportunity for me. Is that not standard marketing rhetoric for any recruiter? ;) /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Updating the subject on forked threads
On Tue, 24 May 2011 14:18:20 -0600 Aaron Toponce wrote: > Annoyance: when the topic clearly does NOT deliniate the subject > matter contained therein. > > Is it too much to ask, that when your entire reply has nothing to do > with the subject, that you change it, so for those of us using > threading MUAs can determine which replies in the thread we wish to > read, and which we don't? I concur with the request. Some folks may not know this: many mail user agents (MUAs) thread according to a special header in the emails. So simply changing the subject may not be enough. In that case, please start a new email. -- Charles Curley /"\ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ /Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com/ \No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB signature.asc Description: PGP signature /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
> Not different. I think they are creepy too. > > Cool technology. Immensely valuable for my local photo collection. But a > globally searchable database has lots of sinister implications. > > And to be clear, I don't think it takes a jerk to create a regrettable > scenario. Context is important, and things like Facebook make private > relationships public without the additional context. Facebook pushes people > to be as open and monetizable as possible, and they make it hard for you to > audit or control your reputation. Complete control is a fantasy, but Facebook > has repeatedly shown a willingness to ignore their users wishes in how and > when information should be shared. > > Richard Lets not forget that the internet never forgets. Who doesn't have some ummm, interesting photos floating around from their more wild & woolly days. Making it easier to track that photo of a long haired hippie with a beer in his hand giving the finger to the camera and the world, back to that professional fella in a business suit & tie, trying to feed his family, has shall we say, interesting implications for that persons future. My advice to everyone is to stay the heck away from social media period. For those of you who don't there are social media "erasers" but they are run by lawyers and cost accordingly. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
Joshua accidentally replied directly to me. I'll return the conversation to the list, and add my response below. On Tuesday May 24 2011 13:35:24 Joshua Lutes wrote: > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Richard Esplin > wrote: > > > > Even though you probably didn't even notice that picture I took of you with > > my cell phone, I can upload it to Facebook and tag it so that next time a > > prospective employer checks your background it's easy to find. Without any > > context, it sure looks bad. > > > > > I guess this could happen. My two-stage security is try not to do things > I'll be ashamed of and to not to be friends with douche bags. > > > > When Eric "privacy is not important" Schmidt thinks something is creepy, I > > take notice. > > > > > > http://www.adweek.com/news/technology/google-says-facial-recognition-creepy-131783 > > > > > To be fair, Eric Schmidt sort of has an interest in making Facebook look > sinister. I am delighted by the face recognition in Picasa and I have > noticed that the online web albums have a mechanism just like Facebook for > tagging folk in photographs. I guess that is different somehow? Not different. I think they are creepy too. Cool technology. Immensely valuable for my local photo collection. But a globally searchable database has lots of sinister implications. And to be clear, I don't think it takes a jerk to create a regrettable scenario. Context is important, and things like Facebook make private relationships public without the additional context. Facebook pushes people to be as open and monetizable as possible, and they make it hard for you to audit or control your reputation. Complete control is a fantasy, but Facebook has repeatedly shown a willingness to ignore their users wishes in how and when information should be shared. Richard /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 12:28 -0700, Joshua Lutes wrote: > What are they going to do with this information though? Should it matter to > me that they are aware of who my friends are? My understanding is that they > use the data to target advertising. Whatever. Ignoring the whole dystopian conspiracy angle which I consider valid, but most people don't care about... When a total stranger can find out information that used to be available to intimate friend only, that's a security risk. Social engineering is much easier if an attacker can drop a few details into the conversation to make it sound like he's more connected than he really is. Identity theft, financial fraund, data intrusion, etc. There are documented cases demonstrating that burglars find social media a very useful resource. They can build a "shopping list" based on the photos from the party you held three months ago, and schedule a visit based on your wife's posts to her wall. And then, of course, there's the times when you prefer not to be found. Remember that credit card from back in college? The one you forgot to close? Well the credit collectors do and its been racking up fees. Because you're not answering your phone they're going to call your mother, neighbors, priest, and girlfriend to pressure you. Whatever. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT] Thoughts on Adaptive Computing (Company)?
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 13:24, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > Does anyone have experience working with a company called Adaptive Computing? I haven't worked there, but several of my former co-workers work there now. They are good people, and they seem to think its a good place to work. My $.02, worth what you paid for. -- Alan Young /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Andrew McNabb wrote: > > There is no such thing as a minimal Facebook account. They create lists > of your acquaintances, what you click on, and what pictures you're in. > When people send you messages, they don't give you any way to forward > them to your normal email account. If you accidentally forget to log > out, then they start sending information to other websites you visit. > And they're always coming up with new ways to collect and leak > information about you. What are they going to do with this information though? Should it matter to me that they are aware of who my friends are? My understanding is that they use the data to target advertising. Whatever. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
[OT] Thoughts on Adaptive Computing (Company)?
Does anyone have experience working with a company called Adaptive Computing? I was recently contacted by a recruiter from there who was really selling the company as the next big opportunity for me. Just wondering if anyone has the inside scoop on them, I'm very interested so far. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Andrew McNabb wrote: > There is no such thing as a minimal Facebook account. They create lists > of your acquaintances, what you click on, and what pictures you're in. > When people send you messages, they don't give you any way to forward > them to your normal email account. If you accidentally forget to log > out, then they start sending information to other websites you visit. > And they're always coming up with new ways to collect and leak > information about you. I don't really care about whether any of you use Facebook or not, but just to be accurate, Facebook can be configured now to send you email notification of messages on your wall or in any conversation thread you're a part of. You can even reply via email and have the reply show up in the Facebook thread, which is nice. --Levi /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
I think you summarized it best when you said ". . . only the data you give them in the first place." The idea of photo tagging, web bugs, and social network graphs is that they collect data about me that I did not give them. Even though you probably didn't even notice that picture I took of you with my cell phone, I can upload it to Facebook and tag it so that next time a prospective employer checks your background it's easy to find. Without any context, it sure looks bad. When Eric "privacy is not important" Schmidt thinks something is creepy, I take notice. http://www.adweek.com/news/technology/google-says-facial-recognition-creepy-131783 Richard On Tuesday May 24 2011 12:57:53 Joshua Lutes wrote: > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Richard Esplin > wrote: > > > > I think photo tagging is really creepy. > > > Why? /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:50:00AM -0700, Joshua Lutes wrote: > Why don't you just have a minimal account so you can look at such things? > You don't have to post anything, you know, and you don't have to log in > everyday. I don't understand what the big deal is. Sure they leak data > like a sieve but only the data you give them in the first place. There is no such thing as a minimal Facebook account. They create lists of your acquaintances, what you click on, and what pictures you're in. When people send you messages, they don't give you any way to forward them to your normal email account. If you accidentally forget to log out, then they start sending information to other websites you visit. And they're always coming up with new ways to collect and leak information about you. When I had a Facebook account, it was what you would call minimal but not what I would call minimal. :) -- Andrew McNabb http://www.mcnabbs.org/andrew/ PGP Fingerprint: 8A17 B57C 6879 1863 DE55 8012 AB4D 6098 8826 6868 /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Richard Esplin wrote: > > I think photo tagging is really creepy. > > Why? /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
Or that other people give them on your behalf. I think photo tagging is really creepy. Richard On Tuesday May 24 2011 12:50:00 Joshua Lutes wrote: > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Andrew McNabb wrote: > > > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:40:59AM -0600, Lars Rasmussen wrote: > > > > > > I once had a FB account, and the pings of regret of from permanently > > > deleting my account(no small feat) are few. > > > > I have no regrets about deleting my Facebook account a year ago, but I > > do occasionally get annoyed by family members or friends who only post > > pictures or information inside the "creepy van." > > > > > Why don't you just have a minimal account so you can look at such things? > You don't have to post anything, you know, and you don't have to log in > everyday. I don't understand what the big deal is. Sure they leak data > like a sieve but only the data you give them in the first place. > > Joshua. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Andrew McNabb wrote: > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:40:59AM -0600, Lars Rasmussen wrote: > > > > I once had a FB account, and the pings of regret of from permanently > > deleting my account(no small feat) are few. > > I have no regrets about deleting my Facebook account a year ago, but I > do occasionally get annoyed by family members or friends who only post > pictures or information inside the "creepy van." > > Why don't you just have a minimal account so you can look at such things? You don't have to post anything, you know, and you don't have to log in everyday. I don't understand what the big deal is. Sure they leak data like a sieve but only the data you give them in the first place. Joshua. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Jonathan Duncan wrote: > > On 24 May 2011, at 11:43, Daniel C. wrote: > >> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Lars Rasmussen >> wrote: >>> I once had a FB account, and the pings of regret of from permanently >>> deleting my account(no small feat) are few. >> >> The time for me to delete my own facebook account is approaching >> rapidly. I've heard it's a tremendous pain; do you have any advice? >> > > I do not think you can delete an account, but you an certainly deactivate it > easily enough in the account settings. > > > /* > PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net > Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug > Don't fear the penguin. > */ > Sure you can... There is the hard way http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16929680703 or the easy way... Send something along the following to their customer service department. Hello, I am writing to inquire as to where you receive legal process. I have made numerous attempts to delete my account and have been unable to do so successfully, I am not interested in shutting down or locking my account. I am seeking nothing less than the complete deletion of all profile data, pictures, posts and other information that may have been posted to your servers. I have revoked any and all copyright permissions previously granted, and because you have no automated or otherwise accessible process for this, you have made it abundantly clear that a legal remedy is in order. Please delete my account in accordance with my above instructions or reply with your legal process address so that the process server may deliver the documents I am having prepared. Thank you for your time. Sincerely, E. X. Customer BTW I've also found this works well for myspace and other sites that like to make it hard to delete accounts. So far I have a 100% success rate. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:40:59AM -0600, Lars Rasmussen wrote: > > I once had a FB account, and the pings of regret of from permanently > deleting my account(no small feat) are few. I have no regrets about deleting my Facebook account a year ago, but I do occasionally get annoyed by family members or friends who only post pictures or information inside the "creepy van." -- Andrew McNabb http://www.mcnabbs.org/andrew/ PGP Fingerprint: 8A17 B57C 6879 1863 DE55 8012 AB4D 6098 8826 6868 /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
On 24 May 2011, at 11:43, Daniel C. wrote: > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Lars Rasmussen > wrote: >> I once had a FB account, and the pings of regret of from permanently >> deleting my account(no small feat) are few. > > The time for me to delete my own facebook account is approaching > rapidly. I've heard it's a tremendous pain; do you have any advice? > I do not think you can delete an account, but you an certainly deactivate it easily enough in the account settings. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Daniel C. wrote: > The time for me to delete my own facebook account is approaching > rapidly. I've heard it's a tremendous pain; do you have any advice? I used this post - it was a while back when I deleted my account: http://www.groovypost.com/howto/security/permanently-delete-your-facebook-profile-account/ It might be wise to reset your FB password first, just in case you have other services/apps/mobile devices logging in to your account. Even then, I wonder if credentials could be cached and your account unintentionally reactivated. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Lars Rasmussen wrote: > I once had a FB account, and the pings of regret of from permanently > deleting my account(no small feat) are few. The time for me to delete my own facebook account is approaching rapidly. I've heard it's a tremendous pain; do you have any advice? -Dan /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT]Did the whole list get raptured today?
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:46 AM, AJ ONeal wrote: > Maybe I'll copy them (my friend did the uploading) somewhere else. > > However, it's probably about time for you to get FB and Twitter accounts. > Shun the non-believer... shun!!! shun!!! Stuart, it's not time for you to get a FB account. Watch the Friendface episode (305) of "The IT Crowd" should you harbor any additional doubts. FB is a black hole. I once had a FB account, and the pings of regret of from permanently deleting my account(no small feat) are few. -- Lars /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT] Funniest cartoon ever... Part 2?
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 10:12 AM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > Ok so Bagley has a follow up to his previous cartoon. > I'm posting here since we were talking about it last week. > http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/51868958-82/bagley-cartoon-facebook-lake.html.csp > > Now thats funny! I can see a cartoon rerun with a new date not far away. :) http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/51870598-68/camping-radio-million-months.html.csp Scott. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
[OT] Funniest cartoon ever... Part 2?
Ok so Bagley has a follow up to his previous cartoon. I'm posting here since we were talking about it last week. http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/51868958-82/bagley-cartoon-facebook-lake.html.csp Now thats funny! /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
