Re: Damn ubuntu.
If i want an advanced disk arrangement or an alternate desktop environment i use the server install media. Frequently if my hardware is at all iffy or i have bleeding edge graphics ill use it then as well. On Sunday, January 5, 2014, Michael Butash wrote: > On 01/05/2014 12:14 PM, Brian Cluff wrote: > >> I've managed to do a RAID install a couple of times from the desktop CD, >> but what a pain in the butt! The only reason that I didn't just reach >> for a server CD was that I was either behind extremely slow Internet, or >> didn't have access to it in the first place, and it's only slightly >> easier to go through the pain of hand creating a RAID from the desktop >> CD than it is to convert a non-RAIDed system to a RAID 1 afterwards. >> >> That being said, the Desktop install does fill the needs of the vast >> majority of users and gives them that "pretty" interface they they expect >> from a professional product. >> It would be nice if they would have the Desktop install fail over to a >> server/text style install if a graphical environment isn't able to start, >> or if you press a key while it's booting for those of us that would like a >> RAID setup or "advanced" install. >> > > I was pretty bummed/hostile toward the fact they stopped producing the alt > desktop installer versions. As you say, the debian installer is about > bulletproof whereas Ubuntu's desktop installer has always been a chronic > basketcase for me to use. So commonly so, I never know if its just gross > incompetence or broken by design. They really need to keep that as a > fallback just in case ubiquity continues to suck perpetually. > > Case in point - I want to do raid. The live desktop doesn't include mdadm > natively (it does at least cryptsetup and lvm tools now), but puts the > package in the archive to use on the disk. Just flippin' install it by > default and let users make the choice! I think I found doing so, even > after installing to the raided set built in the desktop, I still had to > chroot to the install and add the package to the installation, and rebuild > the initrd before reboot lest I see an (initrd) prompt. Good thing grub > setup didn't setup my efi properly and I didn't even get that far! > > Apparently the community needs to come together to figure out a "standard" > around partitioning for EFI as well. Arch and Ubuntu seem to handle > partitioning and expectations very differently - that was about 60% my > constant issue, figuring out exactly what they wanted via trial and error. > Either should work, but they explicitly refuse to work with each other's > methods... > > Also how to make those pesky fat32 partitions redundant with mirrored > disks... At least without efi, I could mdraid /boot, and don't want to > deal with fakeraid bs. I have to mount the secondary efi as /boot/efi1 to > setup an rsync cron to copy the files - at least grub install in the deb > installer writes both entries to the efi bios loader should/when one fails. > > >> Brian Cluff >> > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Damn ubuntu.
On 01/05/2014 12:14 PM, Brian Cluff wrote: I've managed to do a RAID install a couple of times from the desktop CD, but what a pain in the butt! The only reason that I didn't just reach for a server CD was that I was either behind extremely slow Internet, or didn't have access to it in the first place, and it's only slightly easier to go through the pain of hand creating a RAID from the desktop CD than it is to convert a non-RAIDed system to a RAID 1 afterwards. That being said, the Desktop install does fill the needs of the vast majority of users and gives them that "pretty" interface they they expect from a professional product. It would be nice if they would have the Desktop install fail over to a server/text style install if a graphical environment isn't able to start, or if you press a key while it's booting for those of us that would like a RAID setup or "advanced" install. I was pretty bummed/hostile toward the fact they stopped producing the alt desktop installer versions. As you say, the debian installer is about bulletproof whereas Ubuntu's desktop installer has always been a chronic basketcase for me to use. So commonly so, I never know if its just gross incompetence or broken by design. They really need to keep that as a fallback just in case ubiquity continues to suck perpetually. Case in point - I want to do raid. The live desktop doesn't include mdadm natively (it does at least cryptsetup and lvm tools now), but puts the package in the archive to use on the disk. Just flippin' install it by default and let users make the choice! I think I found doing so, even after installing to the raided set built in the desktop, I still had to chroot to the install and add the package to the installation, and rebuild the initrd before reboot lest I see an (initrd) prompt. Good thing grub setup didn't setup my efi properly and I didn't even get that far! Apparently the community needs to come together to figure out a "standard" around partitioning for EFI as well. Arch and Ubuntu seem to handle partitioning and expectations very differently - that was about 60% my constant issue, figuring out exactly what they wanted via trial and error. Either should work, but they explicitly refuse to work with each other's methods... Also how to make those pesky fat32 partitions redundant with mirrored disks... At least without efi, I could mdraid /boot, and don't want to deal with fakeraid bs. I have to mount the secondary efi as /boot/efi1 to setup an rsync cron to copy the files - at least grub install in the deb installer writes both entries to the efi bios loader should/when one fails. Brian Cluff --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Damn ubuntu.
On 01/05/2014 10:38 AM, Michael Butash wrote: chrooting into /target before reboot, and adding the 3.11.0-15 kernel... Installing just linux-image-3.blah did NOT pull in -extras (or -headers) That would do it too, and takes less steps than my theory :) I really don't know how anyone uses the desktop install unless you're a "next, next, next, accept all defaults, of course I have ubuntu one!, next, done!" person. I've taken to downloading the server install first when new versions come out. In my case, I've found that there are some cases where the desktop won't load in the first place... then how are you supposed to install it. The server version will work every time and usually leave you with a command prompt that you can then install/change whatever is needed to get a working system. I've managed to do a RAID install a couple of times from the desktop CD, but what a pain in the butt! The only reason that I didn't just reach for a server CD was that I was either behind extremely slow Internet, or didn't have access to it in the first place, and it's only slightly easier to go through the pain of hand creating a RAID from the desktop CD than it is to convert a non-RAIDed system to a RAID 1 afterwards. That being said, the Desktop install does fill the needs of the vast majority of users and gives them that "pretty" interface they they expect from a professional product. It would be nice if they would have the Desktop install fail over to a server/text style install if a graphical environment isn't able to start, or if you press a key while it's booting for those of us that would like a RAID setup or "advanced" install. Brian Cluff --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Meeting: PLUG this Thurs (1/9)
PLUG will be meeting at 7pm at The Desert Breeze Substation. Desert Breeze Substation 251 North Desert Breeze Blvd Chandler, AZ 85226 The Desert Breeze Substation is on Chandler Blvd and Desert Breeze +Blvd, which is half way between McClintock and Rural. It is very close to both the south 202 and 101 freeways. Public transportation is available into the late hours. See http://phxlinux.org/meetings/14-east-valley-meeting.html for map and other info. To get to the room that we meet, just enter the door that faces Desert Breeze and make your first left, you can't miss it, as it's the only place to go. This Month's presentation: We have 2 Presentations this month. I don't have the details on them yet, but One is by Brian on Mongo DB and the other will be by der.hans I'll send out an update when I have more information. Brian Cluff <>___ PLUG-announce mailing list - plug-annou...@lists.phxlinux.org http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce PLUG Website at http://plug.phoenix.az.us--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Damn ubuntu.
On 01/04/2014 09:56 PM, Brian Cluff wrote: That's very odd that package wasn't on your system already. It's automatically installed with the linux-image-generic package, and that should have been installed when you loaded the system. Without that package your system won't receive kernel updates automatically. Did you by chance remove any packages right after the initial install. My guess is that you might have removed a package that in turn caused a dependency package such as linux-image-generic to be removed. That might have cause linux-image-extras-3.11.0-15-generic to be marked as "no longer needed" and it may have also been uninstalled. Nope, that was just letting the server install run its course in the old deb style, chrooting into /target before reboot, and adding the 3.11.0-15 kernel as I was having issues with 3.11.0-12 in the live cd with the kworker issue mentioned... Installing just linux-image-3.blah did NOT pull in -extras (or -headers), and simply put, I didn't know it existed, ass-u-me'ing the main blob would have them as they always have. Argh, if a server boots without network, what good is it Canonical; those are hardly superfluous to make optional! Later I found the kworker issue with powertop was nouveau being crappy, moving to the nvidia blob fixed that, and aside from my monitor not pm'ing off, it's working pretty decently (finally). The desktop installer is simply dysfunctional, between the kworker thread issue pegging the cpu (which makes it unusable not if, but when the monitor powers off after 5 minutes), the installer just hangs if you don't log in with Ubuntu One (scourge upsell, any attempt to tell it no, the install errors/hangs forever), and then finally fails to install grub properly for efi even with flipping ubuntu one. The ubuntu one issue has apparently been a bug since 12.04, it seems Canonical doesn't want to fix it, forcing people to get/make Ubuntu One account to fatten their user adoption. I really don't know how anyone uses the desktop install unless you're a "next, next, next, accept all defaults, of course I have ubuntu one!, next, done!" person. Brian Cluff --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Best way to display calendar reminders ?
On 2014-01-05 00:29, j...@actionline.com wrote: What would y'all suggest is the best way to set up date, time, and/or task reminders to display on my desktop? Ideally, I would like small notes to pop-up (perhaps top left corner of my desktop) with specified lead time showing the date, time, and task title for each item that I schedule. Are you looking for a new application? Or are you already using an organizer/calendar application? If you're using one, what is its name? If you're already using an organizer, it will have to be able to pop up notes itself or send events to another process. KDE's korganizer (which should be available in Mint) says that it will send reminders for scheduled events. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have any documentation available on http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdepim/ . If you want to go old-school, it should be relatively easy to put a thing together with at and qdbus: xhost +local: at 9:30am Jan 22 at> qdbus org.kde.knotes /KNotes newNote DoThisThing "Remember to do that thing you said you'd do on Jan 22" at> Ctrl-D This will pop up a knote titled DoThisThing reminding you to do a thing on Jan. 22 at 9:30am. knotes/dbus don't seem to allow you to specify where the note shows up, but if you want, you can use wmctrl to move the note to the top-left corner with-- wmctrl -r "DoThisThing" -e '-1,0,0,-1,-1' (Takes window with title DoThisThing, keeps gravity the same, moves it to 0 x 0 y (top left corner), keeps the x dimension the same, keeps the y dimension the same) -- Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress There is no Darkness in Eternity But only Light too dim for us to see. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
