Re: url code

[Michael Havens]

I was wondering how they do it in email.

:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Bryan O'Neal <
bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com> wrote:

> Most services have an API. Even x.co has one.
>  On May 7, 2014 5:13 PM, "James Dugger"  wrote:
>
>> ​What is the context of the use case, website you are creating, or save
>> typing (CLI)?  If it is a website, is it static (html only) or dynamic
>> (PHP, Python, ASP.NET)?  Where is the site hosted, locally (you), ISP
>> (Cox, CentruryLink, etc), hosting company (Hostmonster, GoDaddy, etc).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>>
>>> welll, that's not quite what I meant.
>>>
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>>>
 nope, I don't. Oh well. Thanks.

 :-)~MIKE~(-:


 On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Matt Graham wrote:

> On 2014-05-07 12:44, Michael Havens wrote:
>
>> How do I I condense long urls ? You know, the 'click here' where the
>> 'here' is a link to your address.
>>
>
> If you meant "I want to link to http://www.giantitp.com/
> forums/showthread.php?t=59834 (silly post about the Beige Dragon) but
> the giantitp link is a whole lot to type.  I'd rather use something like
> http://crow202.org/22 ," then you would use a URL shortener.  There
> are a bunch of them.  bit.ly and goo.gl are popular IIRC.  These
> things usually end up giving you " http://goo.gl/654321 ", and if you
> go there, the server there looks up 654321 in a huge table and gives you a
> 301 redirect to http://example.com/a/really/huge/long/location/ .
>
> I wrote my own because it was a fairly easy thing to do, and all the
> extant publicly-usable URL shorteners almost certainly use tracking 
> cookies
> and/or piles of JS garbage.  You probably don't have a webhost to put a 
> URL
> shortener on though.
>
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Re: url code

[Bryan O'Neal]

Most services have an API. Even x.co has one.
On May 7, 2014 5:13 PM, "James Dugger"  wrote:

> ​What is the context of the use case, website you are creating, or save
> typing (CLI)?  If it is a website, is it static (html only) or dynamic
> (PHP, Python, ASP.NET)?  Where is the site hosted, locally (you), ISP
> (Cox, CentruryLink, etc), hosting company (Hostmonster, GoDaddy, etc).
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>
>> welll, that's not quite what I meant.
>>
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>>
>>> nope, I don't. Oh well. Thanks.
>>>
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Matt Graham wrote:
>>>
 On 2014-05-07 12:44, Michael Havens wrote:

> How do I I condense long urls ? You know, the 'click here' where the
> 'here' is a link to your address.
>

 If you meant "I want to link to http://www.giantitp.com/
 forums/showthread.php?t=59834 (silly post about the Beige Dragon) but
 the giantitp link is a whole lot to type.  I'd rather use something like
 http://crow202.org/22 ," then you would use a URL shortener.  There
 are a bunch of them.  bit.ly and goo.gl are popular IIRC.  These
 things usually end up giving you " http://goo.gl/654321 ", and if you
 go there, the server there looks up 654321 in a huge table and gives you a
 301 redirect to http://example.com/a/really/huge/long/location/ .

 I wrote my own because it was a fairly easy thing to do, and all the
 extant publicly-usable URL shorteners almost certainly use tracking cookies
 and/or piles of JS garbage.  You probably don't have a webhost to put a URL
 shortener on though.

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Re: CentOS 6.x and CentOS 7 upgrade path and testing PHP on current and future versions.

[keith smith]

That's pretty cool!!  Thanks!!



 

Keith Smith
On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 5:24 PM, James Dugger  wrote:
 
I use CentOS 6.5 with php 5.4 and 5.5 through webtatic repo.  Below is the link

http://webtatic.com/packages/php55/




On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 7:46 AM, George Toft  wrote:

Hi Keith,
>
>I have solid word from Red Hat that each minor rev to their major
  releases are 100% binary compatible, and yes, they lock the
  version numbers for the entire release.  If you look at the RH
  version numbers, you'll see something like this:
>    5.3.3-27.el6_5
>Everything after the dash is Red Hat's patch.  So even after they
  backport a fix, the version (5.3.3) remains the same, but the
  patch number increases.  So in this case, this is the 27th Red Hat
  patch to PHP 5.3.3.
>
>I had fun with that when this high-falutin' Washington DC Beltway
  Bandit risk assessment team came rolling in to do an assessment. 
  They grabbed the SSL banner (0.9.8 something) off some web servers
  and called an OMG emergency meeting with the system administrators
  and management about why we're running outdated versions of Apache
  and SSL.  After they presented their "findings" they all looked at
  me, and I said flatly "We don't use Apache here.  We use IHS."
  (IBM HTTP Server - based on Apache, but with IBM secret sauce.) 
  You could have heard a pin drop as they huddle and whisper and
  look silly.  Yeah, that was fun.  They hate me.  They should have
  done their research and asked a couple questions first.  Oh well. 
  Then I had to research the SSL thing and show the Red Hat Errata
  demonstrating the "old" version of SSL was patched against known
  vulnerabilities.  
>
>As far as Centos and RHEL, I don't know why you assume CentOS
  would be a year or two later than RHEL.  This article indicates
  CentOS will be tightly coupled and more fluid than RHEL: 
http://www.zdnet.com/red-hat-reveals-centos-plans-727812/
>"However, there's a firewall between RHEL and CentOS developers. The net 
>effect is that CentOS will continue to lag a bit behind RHEL in releases. Even 
>so, CentOS releases will be coming out on RHEL heels rather than weeks or 
>months behind."
>
>I'm amused that you are trying to plan 6-10 years out in the IT
  field.
>
>
>
>Regards, George Toft 
On 5/6/2014 10:23 AM, keith smith wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>
>>I want to test some PHP code on future versions of PHP / MySql / MariaDB.
>>
>>
>>I'm running CentOS 6.5 that installs php 5.3.3-27 which is at it's end of 
>>life.  It is my understanding RHEL 6.x will always be using PHP 5.3.  Is that 
>>correct?  RHEL will be supported until Nov of 2020.  That is a long time to 
>>be running a PHP version that is at end of life.  I understand RH will back 
>>port any bug or security fixes to PHP 5.3 (which actually breaks the version 
>>numbering system).
>>
>>
>>
>>It is my understanding RHEL will be based on Fedora 19.  I am downloading 
>>Fedora 19 now. I assume testing on Fedora 19 will get me in the ball park for 
>>RHEL 7.   RHEL 7 will come with MariaDB as it's default DB.  I assume I will 
>>not see RHEL 7 in the form of CentOS 7 for year or two?
>>
>>
>>
>>I assume there will be several more releases of RHEL 6 since it will be 
>>supported for over 6 more years.
>>
>>
>>If I plan to stay with CentOS 6.x and if it will use the same MySql and PHP 
>>versions until end of life and if RHEL/CentOS 7 will be based on Fedora 19, I 
>>assume that is the only configurations I need to test on and I assume that 
>>will take me through 6 to 10 years.  Is this a fair expectation and a valid 
>>plan?
>>
>>
>>Any feed back and advice is much appreciated.   
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks!!
>>Keith
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: CentOS 6.x and CentOS 7 upgrade path and testing PHP on current and future versions.

[James Dugger]

I use CentOS 6.5 with php 5.4 and 5.5 through webtatic repo.  Below is the
link

http://webtatic.com/packages/php55/


On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 7:46 AM, George Toft  wrote:

>  Hi Keith,
>
> I have solid word from Red Hat that each minor rev to their major releases
> are 100% binary compatible, and yes, they lock the version numbers for the
> entire release.  If you look at the RH version numbers, you'll see
> something like this:
> 5.3.3-27.el6_5
> Everything after the dash is Red Hat's patch.  So even after they backport
> a fix, the version (5.3.3) remains the same, but the patch number
> increases.  So in this case, this is the 27th Red Hat patch to PHP 5.3.3.
>
> I had fun with that when this high-falutin' Washington DC Beltway Bandit
> risk assessment team came rolling in to do an assessment.  They grabbed the
> SSL banner (0.9.8 something) off some web servers and called an OMG
> emergency meeting with the system administrators and management about why
> we're running outdated versions of Apache and SSL.  After they presented
> their "findings" they all looked at me, and I said flatly "We don't use
> Apache here.  We use IHS." (IBM HTTP Server - based on Apache, but with IBM
> secret sauce.)  You could have heard a pin drop as they huddle and whisper
> and look silly.  Yeah, that was fun.  They hate me.  They should have done
> their research and asked a couple questions first.  Oh well.  Then I had to
> research the SSL thing and show the Red Hat Errata demonstrating the "old"
> version of SSL was patched against known vulnerabilities.
>
> As far as Centos and RHEL, I don't know why you assume CentOS would be a
> year or two later than RHEL.  This article indicates CentOS will be tightly
> coupled and more fluid than RHEL:
> http://www.zdnet.com/red-hat-reveals-centos-plans-727812/
> "However, there's a firewall between RHEL and CentOS developers. The net
> effect is that CentOS will continue to lag a bit behind RHEL in releases.
> Even so, CentOS releases will be coming out on RHEL heels rather than weeks
> or months behind."
>
> I'm amused that you are trying to plan 6-10 years out in the IT field.
> 
>
> Regards,
>
> George Toft
>
> On 5/6/2014 10:23 AM, keith smith wrote:
>
>
>  Hi,
>
>  I want to test some PHP code on future versions of PHP / MySql / MariaDB.
>
>  I'm running CentOS 6.5 that installs php 5.3.3-27 which is at it's end
> of life.  It is my understanding RHEL 6.x will always be using PHP 5.3.  Is
> that correct?  RHEL will be supported until Nov of 2020.  That is a long
> time to be running a PHP version that is at end of life.  I understand RH
> will back port any bug or security fixes to PHP 5.3 (which actually breaks
> the version numbering system).
>
>  It is my understanding RHEL will be based on Fedora 19.  I am
> downloading Fedora 19 now. I assume testing on Fedora 19 will get me in the
> ball park for RHEL 7.   RHEL 7 will come with MariaDB as it's default DB.
> I assume I will not see RHEL 7 in the form of CentOS 7 for year or two?
>
>  I assume there will be several more releases of RHEL 6 since it will be
> supported for over 6 more years.
>
>  If I plan to stay with CentOS 6.x and if it will use the same MySql and
> PHP versions until end of life and if RHEL/CentOS 7 will be based on Fedora
> 19, I assume that is the only configurations I need to test on and I assume
> that will take me through 6 to 10 years.  Is this a fair expectation and a
> valid plan?
>
>  Any feed back and advice is much appreciated.
>
>  Thanks!!
> Keith
>
>
>
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Re: url code

[James Dugger]

​What is the context of the use case, website you are creating, or save
typing (CLI)?  If it is a website, is it static (html only) or dynamic
(PHP, Python, ASP.NET)?  Where is the site hosted, locally (you), ISP (Cox,
CentruryLink, etc), hosting company (Hostmonster, GoDaddy, etc).



On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:

> welll, that's not quite what I meant.
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>
>> nope, I don't. Oh well. Thanks.
>>
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Matt Graham  wrote:
>>
>>> On 2014-05-07 12:44, Michael Havens wrote:
>>>
 How do I I condense long urls ? You know, the 'click here' where the
 'here' is a link to your address.

>>>
>>> If you meant "I want to link to http://www.giantitp.com/
>>> forums/showthread.php?t=59834 (silly post about the Beige Dragon) but
>>> the giantitp link is a whole lot to type.  I'd rather use something like
>>> http://crow202.org/22 ," then you would use a URL shortener.  There are
>>> a bunch of them.  bit.ly and goo.gl are popular IIRC.  These things
>>> usually end up giving you " http://goo.gl/654321 ", and if you go
>>> there, the server there looks up 654321 in a huge table and gives you a 301
>>> redirect to http://example.com/a/really/huge/long/location/ .
>>>
>>> I wrote my own because it was a fairly easy thing to do, and all the
>>> extant publicly-usable URL shorteners almost certainly use tracking cookies
>>> and/or piles of JS garbage.  You probably don't have a webhost to put a URL
>>> shortener on though.
>>>
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Re: url code

[Michael Havens]

welll, that's not quite what I meant.

:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:

> nope, I don't. Oh well. Thanks.
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Matt Graham  wrote:
>
>> On 2014-05-07 12:44, Michael Havens wrote:
>>
>>> How do I I condense long urls ? You know, the 'click here' where the
>>> 'here' is a link to your address.
>>>
>>
>> If you meant "I want to link to http://www.giantitp.com/
>> forums/showthread.php?t=59834 (silly post about the Beige Dragon) but
>> the giantitp link is a whole lot to type.  I'd rather use something like
>> http://crow202.org/22 ," then you would use a URL shortener.  There are
>> a bunch of them.  bit.ly and goo.gl are popular IIRC.  These things
>> usually end up giving you " http://goo.gl/654321 ", and if you go there,
>> the server there looks up 654321 in a huge table and gives you a 301
>> redirect to http://example.com/a/really/huge/long/location/ .
>>
>> I wrote my own because it was a fairly easy thing to do, and all the
>> extant publicly-usable URL shorteners almost certainly use tracking cookies
>> and/or piles of JS garbage.  You probably don't have a webhost to put a URL
>> shortener on though.
>>
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Re: url code

[Michael Havens]

nope, I don't. Oh well. Thanks.

:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Matt Graham  wrote:

> On 2014-05-07 12:44, Michael Havens wrote:
>
>> How do I I condense long urls ? You know, the 'click here' where the
>> 'here' is a link to your address.
>>
>
> If you meant "I want to link to http://www.giantitp.com/
> forums/showthread.php?t=59834 (silly post about the Beige Dragon) but the
> giantitp link is a whole lot to type.  I'd rather use something like
> http://crow202.org/22 ," then you would use a URL shortener.  There are a
> bunch of them.  bit.ly and goo.gl are popular IIRC.  These things usually
> end up giving you " http://goo.gl/654321 ", and if you go there, the
> server there looks up 654321 in a huge table and gives you a 301 redirect
> to http://example.com/a/really/huge/long/location/ .
>
> I wrote my own because it was a fairly easy thing to do, and all the
> extant publicly-usable URL shorteners almost certainly use tracking cookies
> and/or piles of JS garbage.  You probably don't have a webhost to put a URL
> shortener on though.
>
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Re: url code

[Matt Graham]

On 2014-05-07 12:44, Michael Havens wrote:

How do I I condense long urls ? You know, the 'click here' where the
'here' is a link to your address.


If you meant "I want to link to 
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59834 (silly post about 
the Beige Dragon) but the giantitp link is a whole lot to type.  I'd 
rather use something like http://crow202.org/22 ," then you would use a 
URL shortener.  There are a bunch of them.  bit.ly and goo.gl are 
popular IIRC.  These things usually end up giving you " 
http://goo.gl/654321 ", and if you go there, the server there looks up 
654321 in a huge table and gives you a 301 redirect to 
http://example.com/a/really/huge/long/location/ .


I wrote my own because it was a fairly easy thing to do, and all the 
extant publicly-usable URL shorteners almost certainly use tracking 
cookies and/or piles of JS garbage.  You probably don't have a webhost 
to put a URL shortener on though.


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url code

[Michael Havens]

How do I I condense long urls ? You know, the 'click here' where the 'here'
is a link to your address.
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Re: test

[Stephen Partington]

This is all the information i have, but i get this for most of yoru
messages.


On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 7:10 AM, keith smith  wrote:

> I'm using Yahoo mail and I'd like to hear more about why you think I'm
> getting delisted.  This is a problem that started maybe 6 weeks ago.  I've
> been on the list for maybe 12 years with this email account without any
> issues until now.
>
> Thank you for your insight!!
>
> Keith
>
>   On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 7:03 AM, Stephen Partington <
> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>   Well, Google thinks there is something wrong with your email headers
> and is classifying you as spam. this might be why you are getting de-listed?
>
>
> "*Be careful with this message.* Our systems couldn't verify that this
> message was really sent by yahoo.com. You might want to avoid clicking
> links or replying with personal information.  Learn 
> more
> "
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:41 PM, keith smith  wrote:
>
> Thanks!!
>
> I've been delisted twice in the last month for bounced emails.
>
>
> 
> Keith Smith
>
> --
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> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
>
> Stephen
>
>
> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:41 PM, keith smith  wrote:
>
> Thanks!!
>
> I've been delisted twice in the last month for bounced emails.
>
>
> 
> Keith Smith
>   On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 8:28 PM, Michael Havens 
> wrote:
>  not that one. although I am getting a lot of fake bounces (spam)
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:09 PM, keith smith  wrote:
>
>  Seems my emails are bouncing
>
> 
> Keith Smith
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Re: CentOS 6.x and CentOS 7 upgrade path and testing PHP on current and future versions.

[keith smith]

If each major version of RHEL is supported for 10 years, and if RHEL 7 is in 
beta then I think one can look at that and plan for the worse case scenario of 
being on 7 for more than 5 years.  I'm planning based on a 5 year life cycle 
for my next project.  I would like not to have to do anything major to this app 
for 5 or 6 years.  I know I will need to make some minor changes along the way.

My experience has been CentOS lags behind RHEL by about 6 months.  Given RHEL 
is in beta, I assume it will not be released for months.  Then it may take 
another 6 months to have CentOS 7 ready for production.  2 years is an over 
statement, however 8 - 12 months seems reasonable.  I think we will stay on 6 
for another 2 years probably.  By that point we may have been on CentOS 6 for 
maybe 5 years.

Thank you so much for your feedback!! 

Keith



On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 8:49 AM, George Toft  wrote:
 
Hi Keith,

I have solid word from Red Hat that each minor rev to their major
  releases are 100% binary compatible, and yes, they lock the
  version numbers for the entire release.  If you look at the RH
  version numbers, you'll see something like this:
    5.3.3-27.el6_5
Everything after the dash is Red Hat's patch.  So even after they
  backport a fix, the version (5.3.3) remains the same, but the
  patch number increases.  So in this case, this is the 27th Red Hat
  patch to PHP 5.3.3.

I had fun with that when this high-falutin' Washington DC Beltway
  Bandit risk assessment team came rolling in to do an assessment. 
  They grabbed the SSL banner (0.9.8 something) off some web servers
  and called an OMG emergency meeting with the system administrators
  and management about why we're running outdated versions of Apache
  and SSL.  After they presented their "findings" they all looked at
  me, and I said flatly "We don't use Apache here.  We use IHS."
  (IBM HTTP Server - based on Apache, but with IBM secret sauce.) 
  You could have heard a pin drop as they huddle and whisper and
  look silly.  Yeah, that was fun.  They hate me.  They should have
  done their research and asked a couple questions first.  Oh well. 
  Then I had to research the SSL thing and show the Red Hat Errata
  demonstrating the "old" version of SSL was patched against known
  vulnerabilities.  

As far as Centos and RHEL, I don't know why you assume CentOS
  would be a year or two later than RHEL.  This article indicates
  CentOS will be tightly coupled and more fluid than RHEL: 
http://www.zdnet.com/red-hat-reveals-centos-plans-727812/
"However, there's a firewall between RHEL and CentOS developers. The net effect 
is that CentOS will continue to lag a bit behind RHEL in releases. Even so, 
CentOS releases will be coming out on RHEL heels rather than weeks or months 
behind."

I'm amused that you are trying to plan 6-10 years out in the IT
  field.



Regards, George Toft 
On 5/6/2014 10:23 AM, keith smith wrote:


>
>Hi,
>
>
>I want to test some PHP code on future versions of PHP / MySql / MariaDB.
>
>
>I'm running CentOS 6.5 that installs php 5.3.3-27 which is at it's end of 
>life.  It is my understanding RHEL 6.x will always be using PHP 5.3.  Is that 
>correct?  RHEL will be supported until Nov of 2020.  That is a long time to be 
>running a PHP version that is at end of life.  I understand RH will back port 
>any bug or security fixes to PHP 5.3 (which actually breaks the version 
>numbering system).
>
>
>
>It is my understanding RHEL will be based on Fedora 19.  I am downloading 
>Fedora 19 now. I assume testing on Fedora 19 will get me in the ball park for 
>RHEL 7.   RHEL 7 will come with MariaDB as it's default DB.  I assume I will 
>not see RHEL 7 in the form of CentOS 7 for year or two?
>
>
>
>I assume there will be several more releases of RHEL 6 since it will be 
>supported for over 6 more years.
>
>
>If I plan to stay with CentOS 6.x and if it will use the same MySql and PHP 
>versions until end of life and if RHEL/CentOS 7 will be based on Fedora 19, I 
>assume that is the only configurations I need to test on and I assume that 
>will take me through 6 to 10 years.  Is this a fair expectation and a valid 
>plan?
>
>
>Any feed back and advice is much appreciated.   
>
>
>
>Thanks!!
>Keith
>
>
>
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Re: CentOS 6.x and CentOS 7 upgrade path and testing PHP on current and future versions.

[George Toft]

Hi Keith,

I have solid word from Red Hat that each minor rev to their major 
releases are 100% binary compatible, and yes, they lock the version 
numbers for the entire release.  If you look at the RH version numbers, 
you'll see something like this:

5.3.3-27.el6_5
Everything after the dash is Red Hat's patch.  So even after they 
backport a fix, the version (5.3.3) remains the same, but the patch 
number increases.  So in this case, this is the 27th Red Hat patch to 
PHP 5.3.3.


I had fun with that when this high-falutin' Washington DC Beltway Bandit 
risk assessment team came rolling in to do an assessment. They grabbed 
the SSL banner (0.9.8 something) off some web servers and called an OMG 
emergency meeting with the system administrators and management about 
why we're running outdated versions of Apache and SSL.  After they 
presented their "findings" they all looked at me, and I said flatly "We 
don't use Apache here.  We use IHS." (IBM HTTP Server - based on Apache, 
but with IBM secret sauce.) You could have heard a pin drop as they 
huddle and whisper and look silly.  Yeah, that was fun.  They hate me.  
They should have done their research and asked a couple questions 
first.  Oh well. Then I had to research the SSL thing and show the Red 
Hat Errata demonstrating the "old" version of SSL was patched against 
known vulnerabilities.


As far as Centos and RHEL, I don't know why you assume CentOS would be a 
year or two later than RHEL.  This article indicates CentOS will be 
tightly coupled and more fluid than RHEL: 
http://www.zdnet.com/red-hat-reveals-centos-plans-727812/
"However, there's a firewall between RHEL and CentOS developers. The net 
effect is that CentOS will continue to lag a bit behind RHEL in 
releases. Even so, CentOS releases will be coming out on RHEL heels 
rather than weeks or months behind."


I'm amused that you are trying to plan 6-10 years out in the IT field.


Regards,

George Toft

On 5/6/2014 10:23 AM, keith smith wrote:


Hi,

I want to test some PHP code on future versions of PHP / MySql / MariaDB.

I'm running CentOS 6.5 that installs php 5.3.3-27 which is at it's end 
of life.  It is my understanding RHEL 6.x will always be using PHP 
5.3.  Is that correct?  RHEL will be supported until Nov of 2020.  
That is a long time to be running a PHP version that is at end of 
life.  I understand RH will back port any bug or security fixes to PHP 
5.3 (which actually breaks the version numbering system).


It is my understanding RHEL will be based on Fedora 19.  I am 
downloading Fedora 19 now. I assume testing on Fedora 19 will get me 
in the ball park for RHEL 7. RHEL 7 will come with MariaDB as it's 
default DB.  I assume I will not see RHEL 7 in the form of CentOS 7 
for year or two?


I assume there will be several more releases of RHEL 6 since it will 
be supported for over 6 more years.


If I plan to stay with CentOS 6.x and if it will use the same MySql 
and PHP versions until end of life and if RHEL/CentOS 7 will be based 
on Fedora 19, I assume that is the only configurations I need to test 
on and I assume that will take me through 6 to 10 years.  Is this a 
fair expectation and a valid plan?


Any feed back and advice is much appreciated.

Thanks!!
Keith




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Re: test

[keith smith]

I'm using Yahoo mail and I'd like to hear more about why you think I'm getting 
delisted.  This is a problem that started maybe 6 weeks ago.  I've been on the 
list for maybe 12 years with this email account without any issues until now.  

 
Thank you for your insight!!

Keith


On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 7:03 AM, Stephen Partington  
wrote:
 
Well, Google thinks there is something wrong with your email headers and is 
classifying you as spam. this might be why you are getting de-listed?


"Be careful with this message. Our systems couldn't verify that this message 
was really sent by yahoo.com. You might want to avoid clicking links or 
replying with personal information.  Learn more"




On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:41 PM, keith smith  wrote:

Thanks!!  
>
>I've been delisted twice in the last month for bounced emails.  
>
>
>
> 
>
>Keith Smith
>
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On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:41 PM, keith smith  wrote:

Thanks!!  
>
>I've been delisted twice in the last month for bounced emails.  
>
>
>
> 
>
>Keith Smith
>On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 8:28 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
> 
>not that one. although I am getting a lot of fake bounces (spam)
>
>
>:-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
>On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:09 PM, keith smith  wrote:
>
> Seems my emails are bouncing
>>
>>
>>
>>Keith Smith
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Re: test

[Stephen Partington]

Well, Google thinks there is something wrong with your email headers and is
classifying you as spam. this might be why you are getting de-listed?


"*Be careful with this message.* Our systems couldn't verify that this
message was really sent by yahoo.com. You might want to avoid clicking
links or replying with personal information.  Learn
more
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On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:41 PM, keith smith  wrote:

> Thanks!!
>
> I've been delisted twice in the last month for bounced emails.
>
>
> 
> Keith Smith
>
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On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 9:41 PM, keith smith  wrote:

> Thanks!!
>
> I've been delisted twice in the last month for bounced emails.
>
>
> 
> Keith Smith
>   On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 8:28 PM, Michael Havens 
> wrote:
>  not that one. although I am getting a lot of fake bounces (spam)
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:09 PM, keith smith  wrote:
>
>  Seems my emails are bouncing
>
> 
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