Re: OT: Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...

[Stephen Partington]

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.coolreader

I knew I had seen many of these features
On Aug 3, 2014 11:21 PM, "Stephen Partington"  wrote:

> You can also try on xda.
>
> Questions I have are what is the source format? And what is the end goal.
> There are a number of eBook readers that seem to me to have much of this
> functionality already
> On Aug 3, 2014 5:26 PM, "Kaoru Wilbur"  wrote:
>
>> Yes.
>> Java, xml
>>
>> You can use C++ with NDK.
>>
>> Basic programming using the Android kit ADT.
>>
>> I use Eclipse but an Android Studio was released and some people use
>> that... especially when they cannot install correct tools.
>>
>> If you ever wrote applets, it is very similar...
>> One thing to remember if you do hire an Android developer and plan to put
>> your app in Play is to get the key when the app is done.
>>
>> If you don't have that key... you cannot update that app that exists in
>> Play Store!
>>
>> Marcia
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 4:35 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>> One would think that Andriod programming is going to be with us for
>>> year... decade at least.  However that begs the question, what do you (or
>>> anyone else) think the long term demand will be?  Increasing or decreasing?
>>>
>>> Is there any barriers to entry like a nasty learning curve?  Specialized
>>> hardware?  ETC...
>>>
>>> I think I looked at the SDK about a year ago and as I recall it looked
>>> to be Java based and then I think I was told of a C++ SDK.  IIRC - I think
>>> it was something that looked to take a little effort to learn but not too
>>> bad.
>>>
>>> I think i recall something about using JavaScript.?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2014-08-03 16:09, Paul Mooring wrote:
>>>
 Not to discourage you from trying to make this happen, but a bit of
 perspective might help.  Currently android/java developers are in
 great demand, where I live the average salary is around $110,000/yr or
 roughly $2100/week.  Having done a bit of contract/outsourcing work
 myself, I can tell you the experienced contractors/developers intended
 to lose as much as a weeks time on any project just trying to
 understand what needs to happen and working with the stake holders to
 make changes along the lines of "one more simple thing".  The take
 away is there's going to be a minimum price/complexity to justify
 taking on a project for a skilled/competent developer and if your app
 doesn't meet that benchmark you're going to have  hard time finding a
 U.S. based competent developer interested in it.

 This doesn't mean it's a bad idea or you shouldn't do it, just keep in
 mind that while you may be really passionate about your idea to
 developers it's one of many offers to work on a contract for an
 individual  offering below market rates.  That's a great fit for
 contractors in India, students or a dev trying to expand her skill set
 (web dev still learning mobile apps, etc.) but not so appealing to
 established professionals.

 On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 10:04 AM,  wrote:

  Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...
>
> How can I find a skilled/competent/reasonably priced Android App
> Developer ... preferrably Arizona local or at least in the U.S.?
>
> I've tried elance.com [1] and odesk.com [2] and several similar
>
> sites, without
> success. Mostly get proposals from India and Pakistan, etc.
>
> I'm willing to pay up to $1,000 (perhaps more) to get the results
> we need
> for an app to read, scroll, flip pages, and search within a book.
> Should
> be relatively simple and straight-forward.  Need to be able to add
> to the
> content and submit updates to the Google playstore myself.
>
> See my first-attempt (which does not yet work as well as we need it
> to)
> here:
>
>
>  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.
 CompareBibleVersionsPackage

> [3]
>
> Please respond either here or off-line to joe(at)actionline.com [4]
>
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 [3]
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Re: OT: Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...

[Stephen Partington]

You can also try on xda.

Questions I have are what is the source format? And what is the end goal.
There are a number of eBook readers that seem to me to have much of this
functionality already
On Aug 3, 2014 5:26 PM, "Kaoru Wilbur"  wrote:

> Yes.
> Java, xml
>
> You can use C++ with NDK.
>
> Basic programming using the Android kit ADT.
>
> I use Eclipse but an Android Studio was released and some people use
> that... especially when they cannot install correct tools.
>
> If you ever wrote applets, it is very similar...
> One thing to remember if you do hire an Android developer and plan to put
> your app in Play is to get the key when the app is done.
>
> If you don't have that key... you cannot update that app that exists in
> Play Store!
>
> Marcia
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 4:35 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> One would think that Andriod programming is going to be with us for
>> year... decade at least.  However that begs the question, what do you (or
>> anyone else) think the long term demand will be?  Increasing or decreasing?
>>
>> Is there any barriers to entry like a nasty learning curve?  Specialized
>> hardware?  ETC...
>>
>> I think I looked at the SDK about a year ago and as I recall it looked to
>> be Java based and then I think I was told of a C++ SDK.  IIRC - I think it
>> was something that looked to take a little effort to learn but not too bad.
>>
>> I think i recall something about using JavaScript.?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Keith
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2014-08-03 16:09, Paul Mooring wrote:
>>
>>> Not to discourage you from trying to make this happen, but a bit of
>>> perspective might help.  Currently android/java developers are in
>>> great demand, where I live the average salary is around $110,000/yr or
>>> roughly $2100/week.  Having done a bit of contract/outsourcing work
>>> myself, I can tell you the experienced contractors/developers intended
>>> to lose as much as a weeks time on any project just trying to
>>> understand what needs to happen and working with the stake holders to
>>> make changes along the lines of "one more simple thing".  The take
>>> away is there's going to be a minimum price/complexity to justify
>>> taking on a project for a skilled/competent developer and if your app
>>> doesn't meet that benchmark you're going to have  hard time finding a
>>> U.S. based competent developer interested in it.
>>>
>>> This doesn't mean it's a bad idea or you shouldn't do it, just keep in
>>> mind that while you may be really passionate about your idea to
>>> developers it's one of many offers to work on a contract for an
>>> individual  offering below market rates.  That's a great fit for
>>> contractors in India, students or a dev trying to expand her skill set
>>> (web dev still learning mobile apps, etc.) but not so appealing to
>>> established professionals.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 10:04 AM,  wrote:
>>>
>>>  Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...

 How can I find a skilled/competent/reasonably priced Android App
 Developer ... preferrably Arizona local or at least in the U.S.?

 I've tried elance.com [1] and odesk.com [2] and several similar

 sites, without
 success. Mostly get proposals from India and Pakistan, etc.

 I'm willing to pay up to $1,000 (perhaps more) to get the results
 we need
 for an app to read, scroll, flip pages, and search within a book.
 Should
 be relatively simple and straight-forward.  Need to be able to add
 to the
 content and submit updates to the Google playstore myself.

 See my first-attempt (which does not yet work as well as we need it
 to)
 here:


  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.
>>> CompareBibleVersionsPackage
>>>
 [3]

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>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Paul Mooring
>>> Operations Engineer
>>> Chef
>>>
>>> Links:
>>> --
>>> [1] http://elance.com
>>> [2] http://odesk.com
>>> [3]
>>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.
>>> CompareBibleVersionsPackage
>>> [4] http://actionline.com
>>> [5] http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>>
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Re: running x through ssh

[Michael Havens]

now this is strange. on 192.168.0.3 I can run gimp (which is not on .3)
from 192.168.0.4 however gedit will not run on .3 .

Cool after a bit of research I learned it is a gedit bug! and to
successfully rungedit I need to start it with sudo. Not an ideal situation.

:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:

> I messed up I forgot the 'X' option but now the error I get is
>
>   X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
>
> Sorry about the mistake.
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>
>> Now I did look into the man page and the 'X' option looked promising. the
>> first thing I tried was to open the file from 192.168.0.3 which was a shell
>> on 192.168.0.4 (I was on .4 sshing to .3 which was sshing to .4). Anyways
>> the response was:
>>
>>   $ X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
>>
>> But when I tried to open a text file from 192.168.0.3 with gedit (the
>> file resides on 192.168.0.4) the complaint it gave was:
>>
>>   cannot open display
>>
>> So I figured the problem might be that the program wasn't installed.
>> After instaling gedit it gave the same error. So what am I doing wrong?
>>
>>  :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
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Re: running x through ssh

[Michael Havens]

I messed up I forgot the 'X' option but now the error I get is

  X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.

Sorry about the mistake.

:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:

> Now I did look into the man page and the 'X' option looked promising. the
> first thing I tried was to open the file from 192.168.0.3 which was a shell
> on 192.168.0.4 (I was on .4 sshing to .3 which was sshing to .4). Anyways
> the response was:
>
>   $ X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
>
> But when I tried to open a text file from 192.168.0.3 with gedit (the file
> resides on 192.168.0.4) the complaint it gave was:
>
>   cannot open display
>
> So I figured the problem might be that the program wasn't installed. After
> instaling gedit it gave the same error. So what am I doing wrong?
>
>  :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
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running x through ssh

[Michael Havens]

Now I did look into the man page and the 'X' option looked promising. the
first thing I tried was to open the file from 192.168.0.3 which was a shell
on 192.168.0.4 (I was on .4 sshing to .3 which was sshing to .4). Anyways
the response was:

  $ X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.

But when I tried to open a text file from 192.168.0.3 with gedit (the file
resides on 192.168.0.4) the complaint it gave was:

  cannot open display

So I figured the problem might be that the program wasn't installed. After
instaling gedit it gave the same error. So what am I doing wrong?

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Re: OT: Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...

[Kaoru Wilbur]

Yes.
Java, xml

You can use C++ with NDK.

Basic programming using the Android kit ADT.

I use Eclipse but an Android Studio was released and some people use
that... especially when they cannot install correct tools.

If you ever wrote applets, it is very similar...
One thing to remember if you do hire an Android developer and plan to put
your app in Play is to get the key when the app is done.

If you don't have that key... you cannot update that app that exists in
Play Store!

Marcia



On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 4:35 PM,  wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> One would think that Andriod programming is going to be with us for
> year... decade at least.  However that begs the question, what do you (or
> anyone else) think the long term demand will be?  Increasing or decreasing?
>
> Is there any barriers to entry like a nasty learning curve?  Specialized
> hardware?  ETC...
>
> I think I looked at the SDK about a year ago and as I recall it looked to
> be Java based and then I think I was told of a C++ SDK.  IIRC - I think it
> was something that looked to take a little effort to learn but not too bad.
>
> I think i recall something about using JavaScript.?
>
> Thanks!
> Keith
>
>
>
> On 2014-08-03 16:09, Paul Mooring wrote:
>
>> Not to discourage you from trying to make this happen, but a bit of
>> perspective might help.  Currently android/java developers are in
>> great demand, where I live the average salary is around $110,000/yr or
>> roughly $2100/week.  Having done a bit of contract/outsourcing work
>> myself, I can tell you the experienced contractors/developers intended
>> to lose as much as a weeks time on any project just trying to
>> understand what needs to happen and working with the stake holders to
>> make changes along the lines of "one more simple thing".  The take
>> away is there's going to be a minimum price/complexity to justify
>> taking on a project for a skilled/competent developer and if your app
>> doesn't meet that benchmark you're going to have  hard time finding a
>> U.S. based competent developer interested in it.
>>
>> This doesn't mean it's a bad idea or you shouldn't do it, just keep in
>> mind that while you may be really passionate about your idea to
>> developers it's one of many offers to work on a contract for an
>> individual  offering below market rates.  That's a great fit for
>> contractors in India, students or a dev trying to expand her skill set
>> (web dev still learning mobile apps, etc.) but not so appealing to
>> established professionals.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 10:04 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>  Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...
>>>
>>> How can I find a skilled/competent/reasonably priced Android App
>>> Developer ... preferrably Arizona local or at least in the U.S.?
>>>
>>> I've tried elance.com [1] and odesk.com [2] and several similar
>>>
>>> sites, without
>>> success. Mostly get proposals from India and Pakistan, etc.
>>>
>>> I'm willing to pay up to $1,000 (perhaps more) to get the results
>>> we need
>>> for an app to read, scroll, flip pages, and search within a book.
>>> Should
>>> be relatively simple and straight-forward.  Need to be able to add
>>> to the
>>> content and submit updates to the Google playstore myself.
>>>
>>> See my first-attempt (which does not yet work as well as we need it
>>> to)
>>> here:
>>>
>>>
>>>  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.
>> CompareBibleVersionsPackage
>>
>>> [3]
>>>
>>> Please respond either here or off-line to joe(at)actionline.com [4]
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Paul Mooring
>> Operations Engineer
>> Chef
>>
>> Links:
>> --
>> [1] http://elance.com
>> [2] http://odesk.com
>> [3]
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.
>> CompareBibleVersionsPackage
>> [4] http://actionline.com
>> [5] http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>>
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Re: OT: Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...

[Paul Mooring]

This is a probably a longer and more involved conversation than you think.
There's a few primary factors in supply and demand for app developers:

1. Native vs HTML

  There's a huge difference in the available supply of developers and
companies currently equipped to make an html5 site that plays nice with
both ios and android.  I think we're likely to see a proliferation of tools
like phonegap (http://phonegap.com/) and a slow down of native apps as html
apps eat that market share.  When you consider currently ios requires
objective-C and android Java, you have 2 languages with different tool
chains and a more involved development and release process competing
against a very well understood and super fast html/javascript ecosystem.
In my opinion html/js will eat the mobile dev community as quickly and
dominantly as it did for native Windows/OSX applications.

2. Expanding platforms

  Currently ios and android own the market, but with microsoft, mozilla,
ubuntu, etc. all getting into the mobile os game it's conceivable that the
overall market could keep growing without making android/java skills a
"must have".

3. Better native app tooling

  Writing full featured web applications 10 years ago was really hard.
Rails, Django, Laravel, etc. along with REST APIs and json revolutionized
how we build web services making it a whole lot easier.  Then much more
recently jquery followed by a million javascript frameworks did the same
for front ends.  If native android development keeps growing similar
tooling is sure to be built to drastically reduce the entrance barrier.

Overall I think it will become easier/cheaper/faster to build mobile apps,
but I sort of doubt that will manifest itself in the form of most
developers learning and rallying around Java and the Android API.


On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 4:35 PM,  wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> One would think that Andriod programming is going to be with us for
> year... decade at least.  However that begs the question, what do you (or
> anyone else) think the long term demand will be?  Increasing or decreasing?
>
> Is there any barriers to entry like a nasty learning curve?  Specialized
> hardware?  ETC...
>
> I think I looked at the SDK about a year ago and as I recall it looked to
> be Java based and then I think I was told of a C++ SDK.  IIRC - I think it
> was something that looked to take a little effort to learn but not too bad.
>
> I think i recall something about using JavaScript.?
>
> Thanks!
> Keith
>
>
>
> On 2014-08-03 16:09, Paul Mooring wrote:
>
>> Not to discourage you from trying to make this happen, but a bit of
>> perspective might help.  Currently android/java developers are in
>> great demand, where I live the average salary is around $110,000/yr or
>> roughly $2100/week.  Having done a bit of contract/outsourcing work
>> myself, I can tell you the experienced contractors/developers intended
>> to lose as much as a weeks time on any project just trying to
>> understand what needs to happen and working with the stake holders to
>> make changes along the lines of "one more simple thing".  The take
>> away is there's going to be a minimum price/complexity to justify
>> taking on a project for a skilled/competent developer and if your app
>> doesn't meet that benchmark you're going to have  hard time finding a
>> U.S. based competent developer interested in it.
>>
>> This doesn't mean it's a bad idea or you shouldn't do it, just keep in
>> mind that while you may be really passionate about your idea to
>> developers it's one of many offers to work on a contract for an
>> individual  offering below market rates.  That's a great fit for
>> contractors in India, students or a dev trying to expand her skill set
>> (web dev still learning mobile apps, etc.) but not so appealing to
>> established professionals.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 10:04 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>  Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...
>>>
>>> How can I find a skilled/competent/reasonably priced Android App
>>> Developer ... preferrably Arizona local or at least in the U.S.?
>>>
>>> I've tried elance.com [1] and odesk.com [2] and several similar
>>>
>>> sites, without
>>> success. Mostly get proposals from India and Pakistan, etc.
>>>
>>> I'm willing to pay up to $1,000 (perhaps more) to get the results
>>> we need
>>> for an app to read, scroll, flip pages, and search within a book.
>>> Should
>>> be relatively simple and straight-forward.  Need to be able to add
>>> to the
>>> content and submit updates to the Google playstore myself.
>>>
>>> See my first-attempt (which does not yet work as well as we need it
>>> to)
>>> here:
>>>
>>>
>>>  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.
>> CompareBibleVersionsPackage
>>
>>> [3]
>>>
>>> Please respond either here or off-line to joe(at)actionline.com [4]
>>>
>>>
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Re: OT: Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...

[Kaoru Wilbur]

Yeah, but Paul with oDesk, it's a 1099 situation:)
So, depending on the consultant,  could be more!




On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Paul Mooring  wrote:

> Not to discourage you from trying to make this happen, but a bit of
> perspective might help.  Currently android/java developers are in great
> demand, where I live the average salary is around $110,000/yr or roughly
> $2100/week.  Having done a bit of contract/outsourcing work myself, I can
> tell you the experienced contractors/developers intended to lose as much as
> a weeks time on any project just trying to understand what needs to happen
> and working with the stake holders to make changes along the lines of "one
> more simple thing".  The take away is there's going to be a minimum
> price/complexity to justify taking on a project for a skilled/competent
> developer and if your app doesn't meet that benchmark you're going to have
> hard time finding a U.S. based competent developer interested in it.
>
> This doesn't mean it's a bad idea or you shouldn't do it, just keep in
> mind that while you may be really passionate about your idea to developers
> it's one of many offers to work on a contract for an individual  offering
> below market rates.  That's a great fit for  contractors in India, students
> or a dev trying to expand her skill set (web dev still learning mobile
> apps, etc.) but not so appealing to established professionals.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 10:04 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...
>>
>> How can I find a skilled/competent/reasonably priced Android App
>> Developer ... preferrably Arizona local or at least in the U.S.?
>>
>> I've tried elance.com and odesk.com and several similar sites, without
>> success. Mostly get proposals from India and Pakistan, etc.
>>
>> I'm willing to pay up to $1,000 (perhaps more) to get the results we need
>> for an app to read, scroll, flip pages, and search within a book. Should
>> be relatively simple and straight-forward.  Need to be able to add to the
>> content and submit updates to the Google playstore myself.
>>
>> See my first-attempt (which does not yet work as well as we need it to)
>> here:
>>
>>
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.CompareBibleVersionsPackage
>>
>> Please respond either here or off-line to joe(at)actionline.com
>>
>>
>>
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Re: OT: Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...

[techlists]

Hi Paul,

One would think that Andriod programming is going to be with us for 
year... decade at least.  However that begs the question, what do you 
(or anyone else) think the long term demand will be?  Increasing or 
decreasing?


Is there any barriers to entry like a nasty learning curve?  Specialized 
hardware?  ETC...


I think I looked at the SDK about a year ago and as I recall it looked 
to be Java based and then I think I was told of a C++ SDK.  IIRC - I 
think it was something that looked to take a little effort to learn but 
not too bad.


I think i recall something about using JavaScript.?

Thanks!
Keith


On 2014-08-03 16:09, Paul Mooring wrote:

Not to discourage you from trying to make this happen, but a bit of
perspective might help.  Currently android/java developers are in
great demand, where I live the average salary is around $110,000/yr or
roughly $2100/week.  Having done a bit of contract/outsourcing work
myself, I can tell you the experienced contractors/developers intended
to lose as much as a weeks time on any project just trying to
understand what needs to happen and working with the stake holders to
make changes along the lines of "one more simple thing".  The take
away is there's going to be a minimum price/complexity to justify
taking on a project for a skilled/competent developer and if your app
doesn't meet that benchmark you're going to have  hard time finding a
U.S. based competent developer interested in it.

This doesn't mean it's a bad idea or you shouldn't do it, just keep in
mind that while you may be really passionate about your idea to
developers it's one of many offers to work on a contract for an
individual  offering below market rates.  That's a great fit for 
contractors in India, students or a dev trying to expand her skill set
(web dev still learning mobile apps, etc.) but not so appealing to
established professionals.

On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 10:04 AM,  wrote:


Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...

How can I find a skilled/competent/reasonably priced Android App
Developer ... preferrably Arizona local or at least in the U.S.?

I've tried elance.com [1] and odesk.com [2] and several similar
sites, without
success. Mostly get proposals from India and Pakistan, etc.

I'm willing to pay up to $1,000 (perhaps more) to get the results
we need
for an app to read, scroll, flip pages, and search within a book.
Should
be relatively simple and straight-forward.  Need to be able to add
to the
content and submit updates to the Google playstore myself.

See my first-attempt (which does not yet work as well as we need it
to)
here:



https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.CompareBibleVersionsPackage

[3]

Please respond either here or off-line to joe(at)actionline.com [4]

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Re: OT: Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...

[joe]

Thanks for your insights, Paul.

You last wrote, in part:
> ... Currently android/java developers are in great demand,
> where I live the average salary is around $110,000/yr or
> roughly $2100/week ... [but they need] a weeks time on any
> project just trying to understand what needs to happen ...
> [then must anticipate lots of "one more simple thing" changes

While I do appreciate your perspective, the other side of the coin is
that there are literally hundreds of thousands of excellent FREE apps in
the Google Playstore that are hugely more complex than the extremely
simple app that we need; and it must surely be obvious that nobody was
paid $2,100 per week to create the vast majority of those FREE apps.

Second, the thought that it would take any marginally competent developer
a week (or even a half a day) to comprehend and get a grip on the simple
app that we got completed to its current state for a total cost of $200.
could only mean that such a candidate was actually incompetent.

Third, with our project, there would be no need to have to deal with any
"one more simple thing" changes because this project is completely spec'd
out to final form in every tiny detail.

> ... a great fit for ... students or a dev trying to expand
> their skill set (web dev still learning mobile apps, etc.)

This, of course, is a good idea that makes perfect sense and I am
entirely open to this approach. That is how we got our initial edition
completed for only $200.  But the student who built this first edition
has gone back to school, is working full time, and has a family so he
just doesn't have time to continue with our project.

Finally, for any competent developer, if s/he actually knew what s/he was
doing and didn't have to re-invent the wheel, what is left to be done
should not take more than a very few hours, surely less than a day. 
After all, we are not trying to invent a new wheel, here.  We just need
to implement technology that already exists in thousands of existing
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Re: ip address confusion

[Michael Havens]

or is the secondary router now inaccessible until I reset it back to
factory default?

:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:

> o... I get it. I didn't really understand the instructions before. As
> such I don't know the ip address to the secondary router. Is there anyway
> to do that aside from manually typing in each address until I find it? (I
> didn't assign it to 192.168.0.253 or something like that.
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>
>> well yes but something was wrong. So I got other instructions:
>>  Connecting two (or more) SOHO broadband routers together
>>
>> Note: The "primary" router can be an actual router, a software gateway
>> like Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing, or a server connection that has
>> the capability to supply more than one IP address using Dynamic Host
>> Configuration Protocol (DHCP) server capability. No changes are made to the
>> primary "router" configuration.
>>
>> Step #1: Configure the IP address of the secondary router(s)
>>
>> Configure the IP address of the secondary router(s) to be in the same
>> subnet as the primary router, but out of the range of the DHCP server in
>> the primary router. For instance, if the primary router's DHCP server
>> assigns IP addresses 192.168.0.2 through 192.168.0.100 to computers or
>> devices connecting to it, assign the secondary router 192.168.0.254 as it's
>> IP address, 192.168.0.253 as the IP address for another router, etc.
>>
>> Note: Do this first, as you will have to reboot the computer to
>> connect to the router again for the remaining changes.
>>
>> Step #2: Disable the DHCP server in the secondary router(s).
>>
>> Consult the manual or user's guide for the secondary router(s) to
>> locate the configuration area where the DHCP server can be disabled.
>>
>> Step #3: Setup the wireless section
>>
>> If configuring a secondary wireless router as a wi-fi access point,
>> configure the router with the wireless settings you would normally use, if
>> this secondary router were to be the primary router; channels, encryption,
>> etc. Otherwise, you can skip this step.
>>
>> Step #4: Connect the secondary router(s) to the primary router
>>
>> Connect from the primary router's LAN port to one of the LAN ports on
>> the secondary router. If there is no uplink port and neither of the routers
>> have auto-sensing ports, use a cross-over cable. [You will not need a
>> cross-over cable if one of the "routers" is a computer.] Leave the WAN port
>> unconnected!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 3:42 PM, sean  wrote:
>>
>>> Wasn't the previous solution to disable dhcp on the second router? Then
>>> of course it wouldn't give out the new addresses...
>>> On Aug 3, 2014 3:33 PM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:
>>>
 well the deal is that I didn't want to run another cable from my
 router. My confusion isn't on getting it to work but rather the numbers
 that have been assigned from the second router. I was thinking that it
 might have to do with perhaps they had already been assigned ip addresses
 but the lfs computer was not previously assigned a number. Is it that the
 modem is handing out addresses until it gets to 192.168.0.125 and then the
 router takes over in giving addresses?

 :-)~MIKE~(-:


 On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Wayne Davis 
 wrote:

>
>  You DO NOT need to use another router.  One is sufficient and 200
> feet of wire would not be a problem.   For stronger wireless, you COULD 
> add
> another WIRED access point to your network.  In fact (I) do exactly that.
> I have a AP near the front of the house, and another near the back. I have
> about 30 "devices" on the network but ONE router / DHCP box is quite
> sufficient for it all.   Your issue is more than likely multiple DHCP
> servers.  For YOUR network, that is probably not needed.
>
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> THAN TYPING)  Private message me with your number.*
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Re: ip address confusion

[Michael Havens]

o... I get it. I didn't really understand the instructions before. As
such I don't know the ip address to the secondary router. Is there anyway
to do that aside from manually typing in each address until I find it? (I
didn't assign it to 192.168.0.253 or something like that.

:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:

> well yes but something was wrong. So I got other instructions:
>  Connecting two (or more) SOHO broadband routers together
>
> Note: The "primary" router can be an actual router, a software gateway
> like Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing, or a server connection that has
> the capability to supply more than one IP address using Dynamic Host
> Configuration Protocol (DHCP) server capability. No changes are made to the
> primary "router" configuration.
>
> Step #1: Configure the IP address of the secondary router(s)
>
> Configure the IP address of the secondary router(s) to be in the same
> subnet as the primary router, but out of the range of the DHCP server in
> the primary router. For instance, if the primary router's DHCP server
> assigns IP addresses 192.168.0.2 through 192.168.0.100 to computers or
> devices connecting to it, assign the secondary router 192.168.0.254 as it's
> IP address, 192.168.0.253 as the IP address for another router, etc.
>
> Note: Do this first, as you will have to reboot the computer to
> connect to the router again for the remaining changes.
>
> Step #2: Disable the DHCP server in the secondary router(s).
>
> Consult the manual or user's guide for the secondary router(s) to
> locate the configuration area where the DHCP server can be disabled.
>
> Step #3: Setup the wireless section
>
> If configuring a secondary wireless router as a wi-fi access point,
> configure the router with the wireless settings you would normally use, if
> this secondary router were to be the primary router; channels, encryption,
> etc. Otherwise, you can skip this step.
>
> Step #4: Connect the secondary router(s) to the primary router
>
> Connect from the primary router's LAN port to one of the LAN ports on
> the secondary router. If there is no uplink port and neither of the routers
> have auto-sensing ports, use a cross-over cable. [You will not need a
> cross-over cable if one of the "routers" is a computer.] Leave the WAN port
> unconnected!
>
>
>
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 3:42 PM, sean  wrote:
>
>> Wasn't the previous solution to disable dhcp on the second router? Then
>> of course it wouldn't give out the new addresses...
>> On Aug 3, 2014 3:33 PM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:
>>
>>> well the deal is that I didn't want to run another cable from my router.
>>> My confusion isn't on getting it to work but rather the numbers that have
>>> been assigned from the second router. I was thinking that it might have to
>>> do with perhaps they had already been assigned ip addresses but the lfs
>>> computer was not previously assigned a number. Is it that the modem is
>>> handing out addresses until it gets to 192.168.0.125 and then the router
>>> takes over in giving addresses?
>>>
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Wayne Davis 
>>> wrote:
>>>

  You DO NOT need to use another router.  One is sufficient and 200
 feet of wire would not be a problem.   For stronger wireless, you COULD add
 another WIRED access point to your network.  In fact (I) do exactly that.
 I have a AP near the front of the house, and another near the back. I have
 about 30 "devices" on the network but ONE router / DHCP box is quite
 sufficient for it all.   Your issue is more than likely multiple DHCP
 servers.  For YOUR network, that is probably not needed.

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Re: ip address confusion

[sean]

That's what I said. See step 2. If you followed those instructions, then
you won't be getting the ip range from the second router because dhcp is
off.
On Aug 3, 2014 4:17 PM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:

> well yes but something was wrong. So I got other instructions:
>  Connecting two (or more) SOHO broadband routers together
>
> Note: The "primary" router can be an actual router, a software gateway
> like Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing, or a server connection that has
> the capability to supply more than one IP address using Dynamic Host
> Configuration Protocol (DHCP) server capability. No changes are made to the
> primary "router" configuration.
>
> Step #1: Configure the IP address of the secondary router(s)
>
> Configure the IP address of the secondary router(s) to be in the same
> subnet as the primary router, but out of the range of the DHCP server in
> the primary router. For instance, if the primary router's DHCP server
> assigns IP addresses 192.168.0.2 through 192.168.0.100 to computers or
> devices connecting to it, assign the secondary router 192.168.0.254 as it's
> IP address, 192.168.0.253 as the IP address for another router, etc.
>
> Note: Do this first, as you will have to reboot the computer to
> connect to the router again for the remaining changes.
>
> Step #2: Disable the DHCP server in the secondary router(s).
>
> Consult the manual or user's guide for the secondary router(s) to
> locate the configuration area where the DHCP server can be disabled.
>
> Step #3: Setup the wireless section
>
> If configuring a secondary wireless router as a wi-fi access point,
> configure the router with the wireless settings you would normally use, if
> this secondary router were to be the primary router; channels, encryption,
> etc. Otherwise, you can skip this step.
>
> Step #4: Connect the secondary router(s) to the primary router
>
> Connect from the primary router's LAN port to one of the LAN ports on
> the secondary router. If there is no uplink port and neither of the routers
> have auto-sensing ports, use a cross-over cable. [You will not need a
> cross-over cable if one of the "routers" is a computer.] Leave the WAN port
> unconnected!
>
>
>
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 3:42 PM, sean  wrote:
>
>> Wasn't the previous solution to disable dhcp on the second router? Then
>> of course it wouldn't give out the new addresses...
>> On Aug 3, 2014 3:33 PM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:
>>
>>> well the deal is that I didn't want to run another cable from my router.
>>> My confusion isn't on getting it to work but rather the numbers that have
>>> been assigned from the second router. I was thinking that it might have to
>>> do with perhaps they had already been assigned ip addresses but the lfs
>>> computer was not previously assigned a number. Is it that the modem is
>>> handing out addresses until it gets to 192.168.0.125 and then the router
>>> takes over in giving addresses?
>>>
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Wayne Davis 
>>> wrote:
>>>

  You DO NOT need to use another router.  One is sufficient and 200
 feet of wire would not be a problem.   For stronger wireless, you COULD add
 another WIRED access point to your network.  In fact (I) do exactly that.
 I have a AP near the front of the house, and another near the back. I have
 about 30 "devices" on the network but ONE router / DHCP box is quite
 sufficient for it all.   Your issue is more than likely multiple DHCP
 servers.  For YOUR network, that is probably not needed.

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Re: ip address confusion

[Michael Havens]

well yes but something was wrong. So I got other instructions:
 Connecting two (or more) SOHO broadband routers together

Note: The "primary" router can be an actual router, a software gateway like
Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing, or a server connection that has the
capability to supply more than one IP address using Dynamic Host
Configuration Protocol (DHCP) server capability. No changes are made to the
primary "router" configuration.

Step #1: Configure the IP address of the secondary router(s)

Configure the IP address of the secondary router(s) to be in the same
subnet as the primary router, but out of the range of the DHCP server in
the primary router. For instance, if the primary router's DHCP server
assigns IP addresses 192.168.0.2 through 192.168.0.100 to computers or
devices connecting to it, assign the secondary router 192.168.0.254 as it's
IP address, 192.168.0.253 as the IP address for another router, etc.

Note: Do this first, as you will have to reboot the computer to connect
to the router again for the remaining changes.

Step #2: Disable the DHCP server in the secondary router(s).

Consult the manual or user's guide for the secondary router(s) to
locate the configuration area where the DHCP server can be disabled.

Step #3: Setup the wireless section

If configuring a secondary wireless router as a wi-fi access point,
configure the router with the wireless settings you would normally use, if
this secondary router were to be the primary router; channels, encryption,
etc. Otherwise, you can skip this step.

Step #4: Connect the secondary router(s) to the primary router

Connect from the primary router's LAN port to one of the LAN ports on
the secondary router. If there is no uplink port and neither of the routers
have auto-sensing ports, use a cross-over cable. [You will not need a
cross-over cable if one of the "routers" is a computer.] Leave the WAN port
unconnected!




:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 3:42 PM, sean  wrote:

> Wasn't the previous solution to disable dhcp on the second router? Then of
> course it wouldn't give out the new addresses...
> On Aug 3, 2014 3:33 PM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:
>
>> well the deal is that I didn't want to run another cable from my router.
>> My confusion isn't on getting it to work but rather the numbers that have
>> been assigned from the second router. I was thinking that it might have to
>> do with perhaps they had already been assigned ip addresses but the lfs
>> computer was not previously assigned a number. Is it that the modem is
>> handing out addresses until it gets to 192.168.0.125 and then the router
>> takes over in giving addresses?
>>
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Wayne Davis 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  You DO NOT need to use another router.  One is sufficient and 200 feet
>>> of wire would not be a problem.   For stronger wireless, you COULD add
>>> another WIRED access point to your network.  In fact (I) do exactly that.
>>> I have a AP near the front of the house, and another near the back. I have
>>> about 30 "devices" on the network but ONE router / DHCP box is quite
>>> sufficient for it all.   Your issue is more than likely multiple DHCP
>>> servers.  For YOUR network, that is probably not needed.
>>>
>>> * If you like, I will help you further via phone (MUCH MORE EFFICIENT
>>> THAN TYPING)  Private message me with your number.*
>>>
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Re: ip address confusion

[sean]

Wasn't the previous solution to disable dhcp on the second router? Then of
course it wouldn't give out the new addresses...
On Aug 3, 2014 3:33 PM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:

> well the deal is that I didn't want to run another cable from my router.
> My confusion isn't on getting it to work but rather the numbers that have
> been assigned from the second router. I was thinking that it might have to
> do with perhaps they had already been assigned ip addresses but the lfs
> computer was not previously assigned a number. Is it that the modem is
> handing out addresses until it gets to 192.168.0.125 and then the router
> takes over in giving addresses?
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Wayne Davis 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>  You DO NOT need to use another router.  One is sufficient and 200 feet
>> of wire would not be a problem.   For stronger wireless, you COULD add
>> another WIRED access point to your network.  In fact (I) do exactly that.
>> I have a AP near the front of the house, and another near the back. I have
>> about 30 "devices" on the network but ONE router / DHCP box is quite
>> sufficient for it all.   Your issue is more than likely multiple DHCP
>> servers.  For YOUR network, that is probably not needed.
>>
>> * If you like, I will help you further via phone (MUCH MORE EFFICIENT
>> THAN TYPING)  Private message me with your number.*
>>
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Re: ip address confusion

[Michael Havens]

well the deal is that I didn't want to run another cable from my router. My
confusion isn't on getting it to work but rather the numbers that have been
assigned from the second router. I was thinking that it might have to do
with perhaps they had already been assigned ip addresses but the lfs
computer was not previously assigned a number. Is it that the modem is
handing out addresses until it gets to 192.168.0.125 and then the router
takes over in giving addresses?

:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Wayne Davis 
wrote:

>
>  You DO NOT need to use another router.  One is sufficient and 200 feet
> of wire would not be a problem.   For stronger wireless, you COULD add
> another WIRED access point to your network.  In fact (I) do exactly that.
> I have a AP near the front of the house, and another near the back. I have
> about 30 "devices" on the network but ONE router / DHCP box is quite
> sufficient for it all.   Your issue is more than likely multiple DHCP
> servers.  For YOUR network, that is probably not needed.
>
> * If you like, I will help you further via phone (MUCH MORE EFFICIENT THAN
> TYPING)  Private message me with your number.*
>
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Re: ip address confusion

[Wayne Davis]

You DO NOT need to use another router.  One is sufficient and 200 feet 
of wire would not be a problem.   For stronger wireless, you COULD add 
another WIRED access point to your network.  In fact (I) do exactly 
that.  I have a AP near the front of the house, and another near the 
back. I have about 30 "devices" on the network but ONE router / DHCP 
box is quite sufficient for it all.   Your issue is more than likely 
multiple DHCP servers.  For YOUR network, that is probably not needed.


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Re: OT: Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...

[Paul Mooring]

Not to discourage you from trying to make this happen, but a bit of
perspective might help.  Currently android/java developers are in great
demand, where I live the average salary is around $110,000/yr or roughly
$2100/week.  Having done a bit of contract/outsourcing work myself, I can
tell you the experienced contractors/developers intended to lose as much as
a weeks time on any project just trying to understand what needs to happen
and working with the stake holders to make changes along the lines of "one
more simple thing".  The take away is there's going to be a minimum
price/complexity to justify taking on a project for a skilled/competent
developer and if your app doesn't meet that benchmark you're going to have
hard time finding a U.S. based competent developer interested in it.

This doesn't mean it's a bad idea or you shouldn't do it, just keep in mind
that while you may be really passionate about your idea to developers it's
one of many offers to work on a contract for an individual  offering below
market rates.  That's a great fit for  contractors in India, students or a
dev trying to expand her skill set (web dev still learning mobile apps,
etc.) but not so appealing to established professionals.



On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 10:04 AM,  wrote:

> Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...
>
> How can I find a skilled/competent/reasonably priced Android App
> Developer ... preferrably Arizona local or at least in the U.S.?
>
> I've tried elance.com and odesk.com and several similar sites, without
> success. Mostly get proposals from India and Pakistan, etc.
>
> I'm willing to pay up to $1,000 (perhaps more) to get the results we need
> for an app to read, scroll, flip pages, and search within a book. Should
> be relatively simple and straight-forward.  Need to be able to add to the
> content and submit updates to the Google playstore myself.
>
> See my first-attempt (which does not yet work as well as we need it to)
> here:
>
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.CompareBibleVersionsPackage
>
> Please respond either here or off-line to joe(at)actionline.com
>
>
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Re: what happened to gmail.

[Paul Mooring]

More importantly the code changes and is sent to your phone when you
request it (at log on).  There's a lot of practical reasons why this is
orders of magnitude better than a static code which amounts to another
password.  To understand why think about how most web services end up
getting compromised.

- Most commonly a vulnerability  is discovered in the web service (or
another web service where you used the same e-mail/password combo, so get a
password manager!).
- Given a database of users and password hashes, the attacker would attempt
to brute force or "guess" the password with automated software
  - If the password is in plain text (not hashed) in the web services
database, it's already game over
  - If he hashed password doesn't use a salt (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_%28cryptography%29), pre-computed rainbow
tables make getting the plain text password trivial
- Having discovered a username/password combo, the attacker would gain
access and generally try to use the same combination on other popular
services (gmail, facebook...)

With that process in mind, you could easily use the same account
credentials on a much smaller and less secure service than gmail and have
that service become your attack vector.  As you can imagine most people
have a whole lot of e-mail indicating nearly every online service they use,
and password re-use is rampant.  That means once you have your gmail
account compromised a cascading waterfall of sorrow can follow.

The take away from all this is, your important services should have unique
passwords *and* 2 factor auth.  If you need your phone to get in to gmail,
amazon, $BANK, ebay... then so does the attacker meaning you have really
massive gains in terms of safety and piece-of-mind.



On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> 2 factor authentication adds a whole second layer to your login. So you
> need a code plus password to authenticate from an untrusted location. If
> you look under security settings you can get more details.
>  On Aug 2, 2014 12:26 AM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:
>
>> sorry for the delay I just got home from work.
>> I don't know what 2-factor auth is so I may have accidentally enabled it.
>> How do I check that? WHy do you so highly recommend it, Stephen?
>>
>> As for the priority inbox/social media thing  my primaryinbox never
>> changed when google changed their page. My business email  did change
>> though. It didn't affect me so I thought nothing of it
>>
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Eric Cope  wrote:
>>
>>> did you enable 2-factor auth?
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Michael Torres 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Are you using Chrome? or FireFox?

 Strange thing happened to me where i could not view any of my messages
 in FireFox anymore, so I have to access my gmail account in Chrome.

 Mike


 On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Michael Havens 
 wrote:

> so it only happened to me then it seems.
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Stephen Partington <
> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> no idea
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Michael Havens 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> no. I only used web mail. I never could get pop to work.
>>>
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Stephen Partington <
>>> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 did you use a pop email client?


 On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Michael Havens 
 wrote:

> I opened it this morning and my inbox was empty. 4 years worth of
> stuff was just gone!
>  :-)~MIKE~(-:
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Re: ip address confusion

[Kevin Fries]

Generally, the first to respond.
On Aug 3, 2014 2:19 AM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:

> here is my before setup: I live in a mobile house with a porch that has
> been converted into a room. my internet runs from my living room.that runs
> 4 feet to the right to an XBMC box. then I was running wirelessly to the
> next room for my office computer. Then my brother moved in. at that point
> I ran a line from my modem to the office and to the wall in the office that
> was about 50 feet. I put a wall plate in and ran a line under the house to
> my brothers room (the one that was a porch). My brothers computer was a
> windows machine so the modem/router assigned it the ip 192.168.0.2 with the
> XBMC being 192.168.0.3 and the office computer being 192.168.0.4 . I then
> created a bunch of virtual machines  for Linux from Scratch and then bought
> a used xp machine ($20) to designate for LFS. So I needed to hook the
> internet to it so this is why I was asking a month ago about connecting
> another  router to my system. so I didn't need to run another 50 foot
> cable. So now the 50 foot cable runs to the other router and that feeds my
> brothers computer  and the new computer. Here is the confusion. I
> configured the other router to asssign numbers from 192.168.0.125 to
> 192.168.0.254  but my brothers computer is still 192.168.0.2 and the new
> computer 's ip is 192.168.0.14. Why isn't it 192.168.0.125 and why isn't my
> brother's computer (which is now MX14  debian derivatives>) now something  like 192.168.0.126 ?
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>
>>
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>
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Re: ip address confusion

[Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.]

You should only have one DHCP server on your network. If you have 
multiple DHCP servers (both routers), which one is the computer going to 
pick to get its IP address from?


Gilbert
On 8/3/2014 1:19 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
here is my before setup: I live in a mobile house with a porch that 
has been converted into a room. my internet runs from my living 
room.that runs 4 feet to the right to an XBMC box. then I was running 
wirelessly to the next room for my office computer. Then my brother 
moved in. at that point  I ran a line from my modem to the office and 
to the wall in the office that was about 50 feet. I put a wall plate 
in and ran a line under the house to my brothers room (the one that 
was a porch). My brothers computer was a windows machine so the 
modem/router assigned it the ip 192.168.0.2 with the XBMC being 
192.168.0.3 and the office computer being 192.168.0.4 . I then created 
a bunch of virtual machines  for Linux from Scratch and then bought a 
used xp machine ($20) to designate for LFS. So I needed to hook the 
internet to it so this is why I was asking a month ago about 
connecting another  router to my system. so I didn't need to run 
another 50 foot cable. So now the 50 foot cable runs to the other 
router and that feeds my brothers computer  and the new computer. Here 
is the confusion. I configured the other router to asssign numbers 
from 192.168.0.125 to 192.168.0.254  but my brothers computer is still 
192.168.0.2 and the new computer 's ip is 192.168.0.14. Why isn't it 
192.168.0.125 and why isn't my brother's computer (which is now MX14 
) now 
something  like 192.168.0.126 ?


:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Michael Havens > wrote:



:-)~MIKE~(-:




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Re: OT: Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...

[techlists]

Try Craig's List, Jr College, ASU etc

You might want to find someone that is willing to trade getting some 
experience for cheap labor.





On 2014-08-03 12:04, j...@actionline.com wrote:

Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...

How can I find a skilled/competent/reasonably priced Android App
Developer ... preferrably Arizona local or at least in the U.S.?

I've tried elance.com and odesk.com and several similar sites, without
success. Mostly get proposals from India and Pakistan, etc.

I'm willing to pay up to $1,000 (perhaps more) to get the results we 
need
for an app to read, scroll, flip pages, and search within a book. 
Should
be relatively simple and straight-forward.  Need to be able to add to 
the

content and submit updates to the Google playstore myself.

See my first-attempt (which does not yet work as well as we need it to)
here:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.CompareBibleVersionsPackage

Please respond either here or off-line to joe(at)actionline.com




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OT: Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...

[joe]

Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...

How can I find a skilled/competent/reasonably priced Android App
Developer ... preferrably Arizona local or at least in the U.S.?

I've tried elance.com and odesk.com and several similar sites, without
success. Mostly get proposals from India and Pakistan, etc.

I'm willing to pay up to $1,000 (perhaps more) to get the results we need
for an app to read, scroll, flip pages, and search within a book. Should
be relatively simple and straight-forward.  Need to be able to add to the
content and submit updates to the Google playstore myself.

See my first-attempt (which does not yet work as well as we need it to)
here:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.CompareBibleVersionsPackage

Please respond either here or off-line to joe(at)actionline.com




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Re: ip address confusion

[Michael Havens]

here is my before setup: I live in a mobile house with a porch that has
been converted into a room. my internet runs from my living room.that runs
4 feet to the right to an XBMC box. then I was running wirelessly to the
next room for my office computer. Then my brother moved in. at that point
I ran a line from my modem to the office and to the wall in the office that
was about 50 feet. I put a wall plate in and ran a line under the house to
my brothers room (the one that was a porch). My brothers computer was a
windows machine so the modem/router assigned it the ip 192.168.0.2 with the
XBMC being 192.168.0.3 and the office computer being 192.168.0.4 . I then
created a bunch of virtual machines  for Linux from Scratch and then bought
a used xp machine ($20) to designate for LFS. So I needed to hook the
internet to it so this is why I was asking a month ago about connecting
another  router to my system. so I didn't need to run another 50 foot
cable. So now the 50 foot cable runs to the other router and that feeds my
brothers computer  and the new computer. Here is the confusion. I
configured the other router to asssign numbers from 192.168.0.125 to
192.168.0.254  but my brothers computer is still 192.168.0.2 and the new
computer 's ip is 192.168.0.14. Why isn't it 192.168.0.125 and why isn't my
brother's computer (which is now MX14 ) now something  like 192.168.0.126 ?

:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Michael Havens  wrote:

>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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Re: ip address confusion

[Stephen Partington]

This a general announcement or did you have a question?
On Aug 3, 2014 12:43 AM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:

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ip address confusion

[Michael Havens]

:-)~MIKE~(-:
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