Re: internet problem
Mike, Just like HM said, you are going 1000mph in no direction with a 1000 posts. With that being said, all I know from this whole thread is that you are having computer weirdness, you think your router is broke, and this all happened after you moved your computer. Additionally, even though all this is occurring, you still can post to this message list so you have Internet on some device is some form. When others have posted questions, you have either moved your questions in a different direction, partially answered them, or not answered them at all. This cannot continue if you wish someone to help you move forward. People will go silent in response. Maybe some illustrations would help in describing how your are connected and what is working and not working. You need to go back to basics (Use the OSI model to troubleshoot moving from the Physical layer up to the Application layer). Examples of questions to ask yourself and put in your message could include but is not be limited to... 1. Describe the model of your router(s) including tags so we know which router(s) you are speaking of since I know you have at least 2 from everything you have said. 2. What devices are plugged into which ports of your router(s) including any interconnects? 3. What are the status lights on your router(s)/switch(es)/Network Card(s)? 4. What IP address are you expecting? 5. Are any devices working on your network? Getting out to the Internet or getting an IP? What port on what router are they plugged into? Which router are they plugged into? 6. If you isolate your computer and router (nothing else plugged in, including the modem), Do you get an IP address from the router? 7. Have you verified that the DHCP client software is installed and running on the network interface card of your computer? 8. Do you have any known good computer that you can test from, knowing that from previous posts you thought it could be your computer? 9. Does your Internet work if you plug directly into the modem with your computer? 10. Have you verified with your Internet Service provider that your Internet is working properly? Please do not just inline post a response. Put some thought into it and respond with something easy to read by someone without experience with your network. I cannot help you otherwise. Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: VPS Hard Disk Space Discrepancy
I had 1 GB of swap. It seems Ohava realized they had made a mistake when they provisioned a large group of nodes in October and (1) rebuilt my node and (2) offered to upgrade everyone to 40 GB of disk space in a public announcement on their web site.. My node was rebuilt last night and df now shows Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root 19G 1.8G 16G 10% / none 4.0K 0 4.0K 0% /sys/fs/cgroup udev 235M 4.0K 235M 1% /dev tmpfs 50M 368K 49M 1% /run none 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock none 246M 0 246M 0% /run/shm none 100M 0 100M 0% /run/user /dev/vda1236M 68M 156M 31% /boot and 1 GB of swap, according to top: top - 07:36:27 up 8:30, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05 Tasks: 72 total, 1 running, 71 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie %Cpu(s): 0.0 us, 0.0 sy, 0.0 ni,100.0 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st KiB Mem:501804 total, 484280 used,17524 free,53080 buffers KiB Swap: 1044476 total, 3472 used, 1041004 free. 353988 cached Mem The memory is short (sb 512 MB), but that is a disagreement over 1 KB - 1,000 versus 1 KB = 1,024, which I won't win. So, it seems like an honest mistake on their part, unless I am missing something. Thanks! Mark On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Sesso ja...@tier1media.net wrote: How much swap do you have? On Oct 16, 2014, at 9:41 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: I signed up for a free VPS on Ohava - 20GB is what is advertised. When I logged into the system, df -h showed this: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root 6.6G 1.8G 4.6G 28% / none 4.0K 0 4.0K 0% /sys/fs/cgroup udev 235M 4.0K 235M 1% /dev tmpfs 50M 368K 49M 1% /run none 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock none 246M 0 246M 0% /run/shm none 100M 0 100M 0% /run/user /dev/vda1236M 68M 156M 31% /boot I queried to the support group, so they sent me instructions to add 10 more GB. df now shows: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root 17G 1.8G 14G 12% / none 4.0K 0 4.0K 0% /sys/fs/cgroup udev 235M 4.0K 235M 1% /dev tmpfs 50M 368K 49M 1% /run none 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock none 246M 0 246M 0% /run/shm none 100M 0 100M 0% /run/user /dev/vda1236M 68M 156M 31% /boot The support groups said: *Our apologies on the confusion. This is a current bug in the machines being spun up, but we definitely offer (and want to help you get) the full amount of space. Every instance gets 20GB partitioned to them. There is some overhead in some of the other partitions of disk space so / won't ever show the full 20GB, as small parts of the 20GBs are allocated elsewhere. * *The instructions sent to you are for extending the / partition an additional 10GB. Since there was already some amount of storage there, the result after completing the instructions (and the correction to the error that we made when we originally sent you instructions on expanding the lvm volume...sudo lvextend -L+10G /dev/ubuntu-vg/root) should get you as close as possible to 20GB (~18.75GB) on /root while allowing for the overhead. * I get the calculation of disk size issue, so a 20 GB drive is really only 18.63 GB. But shouldn't df show 18.63 GB and not 17 GB? Is the discrepancy (1.63 GB or 8.75% of the drive) due to formatting the disk and adding Ubuntu server? Thanks, Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How smart is S.M.A.R.T.?
How many [thousand] hours on the drive? I think you're gambling if you have more than 26,000 hours (3 years) and ESPECIALLY if it's really a Hitachi drive. Seagate bought Hitachi recently, and from what I've seen, are selling used Hitachi drives as new Seagate drives - check the model number and the run hours! Hard drives are killing me this year - I've spent over 80 hours in rework because of failed drives - especially with Seatachi drives (see above). 80 hours of rework at no pay is a painful lesson. Regards, George Toft On 9/11/2014 4:06 PM, parabell...@yahoo.com wrote: Greetings! I have a 500GB Seagate ST3500312CS SATA drive salvaged from a decommissioned DVR. The DVR's OS said SMART status OK. The latest Seatools disk utility from the Seagate website says the drive is A-OK (short test, long test, full erase, re-test) no errors found. However, the Gnome disk utility in Mint 17 says 'Threshold not exceeded' and 'Disk is OK, 178 bad sectors'. Some other SMART attributes displayed: ID1 Read Error Rate: 152141757 ID5 Reallocated Sector Count: 178 sectors ID187 Reported Uncorrectable Errors: 0 sectors ID198 Uncorrectable Sector Count: 0 sectors ID199 UDMA CRC Error Rate: 0 GSmart Control 0.8.7 is reading the same thing, 178 sectors, but also says it's OK. running an e2fsck from gparted reports 0 bad blocks. I've also retested in another machine with different cables to minimize the possibility of bogus hardware or BIOS issues, but the results remain the same. Seagate's website has a FAQ that says their tools should be the final say as they're designed to work correctly with their drives. Normally a bad sector or two wouldn't bother me, I have drives that have been running for years like that. I just keep backups fresh and check for bad sector growth. A few bad sectors is within spec and that's why HDD's have a reserved area. Yet somehow 178 sectors seems like a lot. Should I trust this drive for anything more than a paperweight? Should I trust anything with the words 'smart', 'affordable', or 'free' in the name? ;] Thanks! --Kenn --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: Re: Why the police are listening to your calls and why Congress won't stop them
I love how the media blames the law for not keeping up with technology. If the law said Thou shalt not monitor citizen's communications except with a warrant signed by a judge accompanied by articulate probable cause it wouldn't matter about the tech used - monitoring, whether by tapping a wire, or MitM cell tower attacks is still monitoring. The problem is the law is purposely written to be obsolete, which ensures the law makers have a job in the future. Regards, George Toft On 9/4/2014 8:27 AM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote: This is LOCAL Gov. Notice how they hide that they have this equipment. They are forced to sign a non-disclosure. http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/police-listening-calls-congress-wont-stop/ Keith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How smart is S.M.A.R.T.?
If you have credible evidence that Seagate is selling used Hitachi drives as new and under their label I'm sure your State Attorney General would like to hear from you. On 2014-10-17 10:08, George Toft wrote: How many [thousand] hours on the drive? I think you're gambling if you have more than 26,000 hours (3 years) and ESPECIALLY if it's really a Hitachi drive. Seagate bought Hitachi recently, and from what I've seen, are selling used Hitachi drives as new Seagate drives - check the model number and the run hours! Hard drives are killing me this year - I've spent over 80 hours in rework because of failed drives - especially with Seatachi drives (see above). 80 hours of rework at no pay is a painful lesson. Regards, George Toft On 9/11/2014 4:06 PM, parabell...@yahoo.com wrote: Greetings! I have a 500GB Seagate ST3500312CS SATA drive salvaged from a decommissioned DVR. The DVR's OS said SMART status OK. The latest Seatools disk utility from the Seagate website says the drive is A-OK (short test, long test, full erase, re-test) no errors found. However, the Gnome disk utility in Mint 17 says 'Threshold not exceeded' and 'Disk is OK, 178 bad sectors'. Some other SMART attributes displayed: ID1 Read Error Rate: 152141757 ID5 Reallocated Sector Count: 178 sectors ID187 Reported Uncorrectable Errors: 0 sectors ID198 Uncorrectable Sector Count: 0 sectors ID199 UDMA CRC Error Rate: 0 GSmart Control 0.8.7 is reading the same thing, 178 sectors, but also says it's OK. running an e2fsck from gparted reports 0 bad blocks. I've also retested in another machine with different cables to minimize the possibility of bogus hardware or BIOS issues, but the results remain the same. Seagate's website has a FAQ that says their tools should be the final say as they're designed to work correctly with their drives. Normally a bad sector or two wouldn't bother me, I have drives that have been running for years like that. I just keep backups fresh and check for bad sector growth. A few bad sectors is within spec and that's why HDD's have a reserved area. Yet somehow 178 sectors seems like a lot. Should I trust this drive for anything more than a paperweight? Should I trust anything with the words 'smart', 'affordable', or 'free' in the name? ;] Thanks! --Kenn --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: firewall
It was in /var/log/messages. Regards, George Toft On 9/1/2014 4:44 PM, Michael Havens wrote: What logs would record that stuff? I want to see! :-)~MIKE~(-: On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com mailto:bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: My question would be, how many times a day does someone try to break into your system ? If you don't know the answer then maybe you should be running a firewall. It really depends on whether your network is secure or not, usually what secures your network is a firewall. If that's the one on your router then that should be enough. Looking in your log files for strange IP's and failed password attempts will let you know if people are trying to get in, if you're running a web server look in the error logs for attempts to access non existing files, usually a bunch from the same IP. Windows may have more vulnerabilities, but they will still try to break into Linux systems. Search and read about fail2ban, that's one tool to use when you need to have a service open to the internet. Hope this helps On Aug 26, 2014 8:15 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com mailto:bmi...@gmail.com wrote: I hear people say, Even Linux users need a firewall. My question is. why? I've runlinux since '98 w/o a firewall (aside from the one sent with my modem/router). Isn't that good enough? :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How smart is S.M.A.R.T.?
The info shows you have not lost anything BUT you do have some bad spots on the drive which have been de-allocated. IF you have the time, you can use Spinrite to re-cert a drive. I did this once with a drive that was JUNK and given to me from the company I worked for. It took a week on Spinrite, but after that did not fail. I took it out of service due to it's size years later. (SMALL) Spinrite writes every possible combination of data BITS to every writable area, locks out bad sectors and more. IT DOES WORK. I've used it several times over the years. www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm On 10/17/2014 08:08 AM, George Toft wrote: How many [thousand] hours on the drive? I think you're gambling if you have more than 26,000 hours (3 years) and ESPECIALLY if it's really a Hitachi drive. Seagate bought Hitachi recently, and from what I've seen, are selling used Hitachi drives as new Seagate drives - check the model number and the run hours! Hard drives are killing me this year - I've spent over 80 hours in rework because of failed drives - especially with Seatachi drives (see above). 80 hours of rework at no pay is a painful lesson. Regards, George Toft On 9/11/2014 4:06 PM, parabell...@yahoo.com wrote: Greetings! I have a 500GB Seagate ST3500312CS SATA drive salvaged from a decommissioned DVR. The DVR's OS said SMART status OK. The latest Seatools disk utility from the Seagate website says the drive is A-OK (short test, long test, full erase, re-test) no errors found. However, the Gnome disk utility in Mint 17 says 'Threshold not exceeded' and 'Disk is OK, 178 bad sectors'. Some other SMART attributes displayed: ID1Read Error Rate: 152141757 ID5 Reallocated Sector Count: 178 sectors ID187 Reported Uncorrectable Errors: 0 sectors ID198Uncorrectable Sector Count: 0 sectors ID199UDMA CRC Error Rate: 0 GSmart Control 0.8.7 is reading the same thing, 178 sectors, but also says it's OK. running an e2fsck from gparted reports 0 bad blocks. I've also retested in another machine with different cables to minimize the possibility of bogus hardware or BIOS issues, but the results remain the same. Seagate's website has a FAQ that says their tools should be the final say as they're designed to work correctly with their drives. Normally a bad sector or two wouldn't bother me, I have drives that have been running for years like that. I just keep backups fresh and check for bad sector growth. A few bad sectors is within spec and that's why HDD's have a reserved area. Yet somehow 178 sectors seems like a lot. Should I trust this drive for anything more than a paperweight? Should I trust anything with the words 'smart', 'affordable', or 'free' in the name? ;] Thanks! --Kenn --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: internet problem
Thank you for the response, Gilbert. I thought I answered every question asked how odd! In any case this is my setup: I have a DSL modem (a pk5000) which feeds the XBMC computer about 3 feet to the left of it (which I am using to write this). Then my brother moved in so I put a connection in his room. To do this I ran a cable to my office (down the hallway) (20 feet) through the outside wall and under the mobile home and into his room (20 more feet). Then I got my linux from scratch computer (that didn't have a wireless card) and I had to run another cable. However, because I didn't want another cable running alongside the one I had already installed I opted to put a spare router (configured to be a switch) into my office then I have two cables coming out of it one to the new computer and one to my brothers room. Fixed it! I had the cable from the living room plugged into the internet port. I plugged it into a LAN port and everything works again. I'd swear I had it plugged into the internet port before. :-)~MIKE~(-: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. mailing-li...@phoenixinternet.net wrote: :-)~MIKE~(-: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. mailing-li...@phoenixinternet.net wrote: Mike, Just like HM said, you are going 1000mph in no direction with a 1000 posts. With that being said, all I know from this whole thread is that you are having computer weirdness, you think your router is broke, and this all happened after you moved your computer. Additionally, even though all this is occurring, you still can post to this message list so you have Internet on some device is some form. When others have posted questions, you have either moved your questions in a different direction, partially answered them, or not answered them at all. This cannot continue if you wish someone to help you move forward. People will go silent in response. Maybe some illustrations would help in describing how your are connected and what is working and not working. You need to go back to basics (Use the OSI model to troubleshoot moving from the Physical layer up to the Application layer). Examples of questions to ask yourself and put in your message could include but is not be limited to... 1. Describe the model of your router(s) including tags so we know which router(s) you are speaking of since I know you have at least 2 from everything you have said. 2. What devices are plugged into which ports of your router(s) including any interconnects? 3. What are the status lights on your router(s)/switch(es)/Network Card(s)? 4. What IP address are you expecting? 5. Are any devices working on your network? Getting out to the Internet or getting an IP? What port on what router are they plugged into? Which router are they plugged into? 6. If you isolate your computer and router (nothing else plugged in, including the modem), Do you get an IP address from the router? 7. Have you verified that the DHCP client software is installed and running on the network interface card of your computer? 8. Do you have any known good computer that you can test from, knowing that from previous posts you thought it could be your computer? 9. Does your Internet work if you plug directly into the modem with your computer? 10. Have you verified with your Internet Service provider that your Internet is working properly? Please do not just inline post a response. Put some thought into it and respond with something easy to read by someone without experience with your network. I cannot help you otherwise. Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: internet problem
I was trying to learn what the internet port is for and read this on wikipedia: The original *WRT54G* was first released in December 2002. It has a 4+1 port network switch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_switch (the Internet/WAN port is part of the same internal network switch, but on a different VLAN https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLAN). I don't understand . Could someone explain it to me? :-)~MIKE~(-: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for the response, Gilbert. I thought I answered every question asked how odd! In any case this is my setup: I have a DSL modem (a pk5000) which feeds the XBMC computer about 3 feet to the left of it (which I am using to write this). Then my brother moved in so I put a connection in his room. To do this I ran a cable to my office (down the hallway) (20 feet) through the outside wall and under the mobile home and into his room (20 more feet). Then I got my linux from scratch computer (that didn't have a wireless card) and I had to run another cable. However, because I didn't want another cable running alongside the one I had already installed I opted to put a spare router (configured to be a switch) into my office then I have two cables coming out of it one to the new computer and one to my brothers room. Fixed it! I had the cable from the living room plugged into the internet port. I plugged it into a LAN port and everything works again. I'd swear I had it plugged into the internet port before. :-)~MIKE~(-: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. mailing-li...@phoenixinternet.net wrote: :-)~MIKE~(-: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. mailing-li...@phoenixinternet.net wrote: Mike, Just like HM said, you are going 1000mph in no direction with a 1000 posts. With that being said, all I know from this whole thread is that you are having computer weirdness, you think your router is broke, and this all happened after you moved your computer. Additionally, even though all this is occurring, you still can post to this message list so you have Internet on some device is some form. When others have posted questions, you have either moved your questions in a different direction, partially answered them, or not answered them at all. This cannot continue if you wish someone to help you move forward. People will go silent in response. Maybe some illustrations would help in describing how your are connected and what is working and not working. You need to go back to basics (Use the OSI model to troubleshoot moving from the Physical layer up to the Application layer). Examples of questions to ask yourself and put in your message could include but is not be limited to... 1. Describe the model of your router(s) including tags so we know which router(s) you are speaking of since I know you have at least 2 from everything you have said. 2. What devices are plugged into which ports of your router(s) including any interconnects? 3. What are the status lights on your router(s)/switch(es)/Network Card(s)? 4. What IP address are you expecting? 5. Are any devices working on your network? Getting out to the Internet or getting an IP? What port on what router are they plugged into? Which router are they plugged into? 6. If you isolate your computer and router (nothing else plugged in, including the modem), Do you get an IP address from the router? 7. Have you verified that the DHCP client software is installed and running on the network interface card of your computer? 8. Do you have any known good computer that you can test from, knowing that from previous posts you thought it could be your computer? 9. Does your Internet work if you plug directly into the modem with your computer? 10. Have you verified with your Internet Service provider that your Internet is working properly? Please do not just inline post a response. Put some thought into it and respond with something easy to read by someone without experience with your network. I cannot help you otherwise. Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: internet problem
It creates two separate Virtual LAN (VLAN) networks, using routing/nat to traverse between them. This is what gives you security, hiding you on private addresses, but making you visible to the network via Network Address Translation (NAT). This is how firewalls/routers work, at least those little buggers. Look up the terms vlan and nat for more info than you'd ever want to know. -mb On 10/17/2014 09:25 AM, Michael Havens wrote: I was trying to learn what the internet port is for and read this on wikipedia: The original WRT54G was first released in December 2002. It has a 4+1 port network switch (the Internet/WAN port is part of the same internal network switch, but on a different VLAN). I don't understand . Could someone explain it to me? :-)~MIKE~(-: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for the response, Gilbert. I thought I answered every question asked how odd! In any case this is my setup: I have a DSL modem (a pk5000) which feeds the XBMC computer about 3 feet to the left of it (which I am using to write this). Then my brother moved in so I put a connection in his room. To do this I ran a cable to my office (down the hallway) (20 feet) through the outside wall and under the mobile home and into his room (20 more feet). Then I got my linux from scratch computer (that didn't have a wireless card) and I had to run another cable. However, because I didn't want another cable running alongside the one I had already installed I opted to put a spare router (configured to be a switch) into my office then I have two cables coming out of it one to the new computer and one to my brothers room. Fixed it! I had the cable from the living room plugged into the internet port. I plugged it into a LAN port and everything works again. I'd swear I had it plugged into the internet port before. :-)~MIKE~(-: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. mailing-li...@phoenixinternet.net wrote: :-)~MIKE~(-: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. mailing-li...@phoenixinternet.net wrote: Mike, Just like HM said, you are going 1000mph in no direction with a 1000 posts. With that being said, all I know from this whole thread is that you are having computer weirdness, you think your router is broke, and this all happened after you moved your computer. Additionally, even though all this is occurring, you still can post to this message list so you have Internet on some device is some form. When others have posted questions, you have either moved your questions in a different direction, partially answered them, or not answered them at all. This cannot continue if you wish someone to help you move forward. People will go silent in response. Maybe some illustrations would help in describing how your are connected and what is working and not working. You need to go back to basics (Use the OSI model to troubleshoot moving from the Physical layer up to the Application layer). Examples of questions to ask yourself and put in your message could include but is not be limited to... 1. Describe the model of your router(s) including tags so we know which router(s) you are speaking of since I know you have at least 2
Re: internet problem
thanks Mike. :-)~MIKE~(-: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net wrote: It creates two separate Virtual LAN (VLAN) networks, using routing/nat to traverse between them. This is what gives you security, hiding you on private addresses, but making you visible to the network via Network Address Translation (NAT). This is how firewalls/routers work, at least those little buggers. Look up the terms vlan and nat for more info than you'd ever want to know. -mb On 10/17/2014 09:25 AM, Michael Havens wrote: I was trying to learn what the internet port is for and read this on wikipedia: The original *WRT54G* was first released in December 2002. It has a 4+1 port network switch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_switch (the Internet/WAN port is part of the same internal network switch, but on a different VLAN https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLAN). I don't understand . Could someone explain it to me? :-)~MIKE~(-: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for the response, Gilbert. I thought I answered every question asked how odd! In any case this is my setup: I have a DSL modem (a pk5000) which feeds the XBMC computer about 3 feet to the left of it (which I am using to write this). Then my brother moved in so I put a connection in his room. To do this I ran a cable to my office (down the hallway) (20 feet) through the outside wall and under the mobile home and into his room (20 more feet). Then I got my linux from scratch computer (that didn't have a wireless card) and I had to run another cable. However, because I didn't want another cable running alongside the one I had already installed I opted to put a spare router (configured to be a switch) into my office then I have two cables coming out of it one to the new computer and one to my brothers room. Fixed it! I had the cable from the living room plugged into the internet port. I plugged it into a LAN port and everything works again. I'd swear I had it plugged into the internet port before. :-)~MIKE~(-: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. mailing-li...@phoenixinternet.net wrote: :-)~MIKE~(-: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. mailing-li...@phoenixinternet.net wrote: Mike, Just like HM said, you are going 1000mph in no direction with a 1000 posts. With that being said, all I know from this whole thread is that you are having computer weirdness, you think your router is broke, and this all happened after you moved your computer. Additionally, even though all this is occurring, you still can post to this message list so you have Internet on some device is some form. When others have posted questions, you have either moved your questions in a different direction, partially answered them, or not answered them at all. This cannot continue if you wish someone to help you move forward. People will go silent in response. Maybe some illustrations would help in describing how your are connected and what is working and not working. You need to go back to basics (Use the OSI model to troubleshoot moving from the Physical layer up to the Application layer). Examples of questions to ask yourself and put in your message could include but is not be limited to... 1. Describe the model of your router(s) including tags so we know which router(s) you are speaking of since I know you have at least 2 from everything you have said. 2. What devices are plugged into which ports of your router(s) including any interconnects? 3. What are the status lights on your router(s)/switch(es)/Network Card(s)? 4. What IP address are you expecting? 5. Are any devices working on your network? Getting out to the Internet or getting an IP? What port on what router are they plugged into? Which router are they plugged into? 6. If you isolate your computer and router (nothing else plugged in, including the modem), Do you get an IP address from the router? 7. Have you verified that the DHCP client software is installed and running on the network interface card of your computer? 8. Do you have any known good computer that you can test from, knowing that from previous posts you thought it could be your computer? 9. Does your Internet work if you plug directly into the modem with your computer? 10. Have you verified with your Internet Service provider that your Internet is working properly? Please do not just inline post a response. Put some thought into it and respond with something easy to read by someone without experience with your network. I cannot help you otherwise. Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: internet problem
I am glad that you resolved your issue. Gilbert On 10/17/2014 9:15 AM, Michael Havens wrote: Thank you for the response, Gilbert. I thought I answered every question asked how odd! In any case this is my setup: I have a DSL modem (a pk5000) which feeds the XBMC computer about 3 feet to the left of it (which I am using to write this). Then my brother moved in so I put a connection in his room. To do this I ran a cable to my office (down the hallway) (20 feet) through the outside wall and under the mobile home and into his room (20 more feet). Then I got my linux from scratch computer (that didn't have a wireless card) and I had to run another cable. However, because I didn't want another cable running alongside the one I had already installed I opted to put a spare router (configured to be a switch) into my office then I have two cables coming out of it one to the new computer and one to my brothers room. Fixed it! I had the cable from the living room plugged into the internet port. I plugged it into a LAN port and everything works again. I'd swear I had it plugged into the internet port before. :-)~MIKE~(-: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. mailing-li...@phoenixinternet.net mailto:mailing-li...@phoenixinternet.net wrote: :-)~MIKE~(-: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. mailing-li...@phoenixinternet.net mailto:mailing-li...@phoenixinternet.net wrote: Mike, Just like HM said, you are going 1000mph in no direction with a 1000 posts. With that being said, all I know from this whole thread is that you are having computer weirdness, you think your router is broke, and this all happened after you moved your computer. Additionally, even though all this is occurring, you still can post to this message list so you have Internet on some device is some form. When others have posted questions, you have either moved your questions in a different direction, partially answered them, or not answered them at all. This cannot continue if you wish someone to help you move forward. People will go silent in response. Maybe some illustrations would help in describing how your are connected and what is working and not working. You need to go back to basics (Use the OSI model to troubleshoot moving from the Physical layer up to the Application layer). Examples of questions to ask yourself and put in your message could include but is not be limited to... 1. Describe the model of your router(s) including tags so we know which router(s) you are speaking of since I know you have at least 2 from everything you have said. 2. What devices are plugged into which ports of your router(s) including any interconnects? 3. What are the status lights on your router(s)/switch(es)/Network Card(s)? 4. What IP address are you expecting? 5. Are any devices working on your network? Getting out to the Internet or getting an IP? What port on what router are they plugged into? Which router are they plugged into? 6. If you isolate your computer and router (nothing else plugged in, including the modem), Do you get an IP address from the router? 7. Have you verified that the DHCP client software is installed and running on the network interface card of your computer? 8. Do you have any known good computer that you can test from, knowing that from previous posts you thought it could be your computer? 9. Does your Internet work if you plug directly into the modem with your computer? 10. Have you verified with your Internet Service provider that your Internet is working properly? Please do not just inline post a response. Put some thought into it and respond with something easy to read by someone without experience with your network. I cannot help you otherwise. Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: internet problem
Thanks for having me rehash my set up. It was plugged into the internet/WAN port before. I wonder why it worked and why it stopped working. Curioser and curiouser! :-)~MIKE~(-: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. mailing-li...@phoenixinternet.net wrote: I am glad that you resolved your issue. Gilbert On 10/17/2014 9:15 AM, Michael Havens wrote: Thank you for the response, Gilbert. I thought I answered every question asked how odd! In any case this is my setup: I have a DSL modem (a pk5000) which feeds the XBMC computer about 3 feet to the left of it (which I am using to write this). Then my brother moved in so I put a connection in his room. To do this I ran a cable to my office (down the hallway) (20 feet) through the outside wall and under the mobile home and into his room (20 more feet). Then I got my linux from scratch computer (that didn't have a wireless card) and I had to run another cable. However, because I didn't want another cable running alongside the one I had already installed I opted to put a spare router (configured to be a switch) into my office then I have two cables coming out of it one to the new computer and one to my brothers room. Fixed it! I had the cable from the living room plugged into the internet port. I plugged it into a LAN port and everything works again. I'd swear I had it plugged into the internet port before. :-)~MIKE~(-: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. mailing-li...@phoenixinternet.net wrote: :-)~MIKE~(-: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. mailing-li...@phoenixinternet.net wrote: Mike, Just like HM said, you are going 1000mph in no direction with a 1000 posts. With that being said, all I know from this whole thread is that you are having computer weirdness, you think your router is broke, and this all happened after you moved your computer. Additionally, even though all this is occurring, you still can post to this message list so you have Internet on some device is some form. When others have posted questions, you have either moved your questions in a different direction, partially answered them, or not answered them at all. This cannot continue if you wish someone to help you move forward. People will go silent in response. Maybe some illustrations would help in describing how your are connected and what is working and not working. You need to go back to basics (Use the OSI model to troubleshoot moving from the Physical layer up to the Application layer). Examples of questions to ask yourself and put in your message could include but is not be limited to... 1. Describe the model of your router(s) including tags so we know which router(s) you are speaking of since I know you have at least 2 from everything you have said. 2. What devices are plugged into which ports of your router(s) including any interconnects? 3. What are the status lights on your router(s)/switch(es)/Network Card(s)? 4. What IP address are you expecting? 5. Are any devices working on your network? Getting out to the Internet or getting an IP? What port on what router are they plugged into? Which router are they plugged into? 6. If you isolate your computer and router (nothing else plugged in, including the modem), Do you get an IP address from the router? 7. Have you verified that the DHCP client software is installed and running on the network interface card of your computer? 8. Do you have any known good computer that you can test from, knowing that from previous posts you thought it could be your computer? 9. Does your Internet work if you plug directly into the modem with your computer? 10. Have you verified with your Internet Service provider that your Internet is working properly? Please do not just inline post a response. Put some thought into it and respond with something easy to read by someone without experience with your network. I cannot help you otherwise. Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
CodeIgniter lovers
I'm wondering if there are any CodeIgniter lovers left on the list. I'd like to network with any of you that are out there. Please contact me on or off list. Maybe we can start a CI user's group. -- Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
[OT] Java question
I’m guessing there may be a few java devs on this list. I’ve got a basic Java question. I am NOT a Java dev, never actually touched it. However, I’ve been looking at the latest updates to Java 8 and I want to look at some of the library source code to see how they did some of the stuff. I’ve found online docs, but where can I find the actual source code for the libraries? It’s open source, so I assume it’s available somewhere. For example, here’s one I want to examine: java.util.stream.Streams If I can find that, I can find the others. :-) (I’ve done some searching around in Google, and I’ve found some stuff, but I’m unclear if it’s the actual source code or just interfaces to the code where the code lives somewhere else.) Thanks -David --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: CodeIgniter lovers
I have used CI for some websites and I prefer to use it for any developments further down the road, however not much in to the web developments as of now. Thanks *Amit K Nepal Chief Information Officer (RHCE, CCENT, C|EH, C|HFI, GIAC ISO 27000 Specialist) omNovia Technologies Inc. * On 10/17/2014 4:06 PM, Keith Smith wrote: I'm wondering if there are any CodeIgniter lovers left on the list. I'd like to network with any of you that are out there. Please contact me on or off list. Maybe we can start a CI user's group. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Installfest this Saturday, 10/18 at Gangplank in Chandler
The next Plug/AzLoco installfest will be held from 10am to 4pm at Gangplank in Chandler. 260 S Arizona Ave Chandler, AZ 85225 Free Public parking just across the street next to Circle K. GPParking 1 300x191 Chandler, Arizona http://gangplankhq.com/wp-content/uploads/GPParking-1.jpg *Who* Anyone interested in Linux is welcome. We can just chat or we can install almost any version of Linux on your computer (you must bring everything needed to use your computer (e.g. monitor, keyboard, cords, etc). *What:* We can install most Linux distributions. We are also happy to fix problems, answer questions or simply discuss free software. We meet the 1st and 3rd Saturday of every month from 10 AM until 4 PM unless we cancel or reschedule due to a holiday. *What to bring:* You need to bring everything required to use your computer. Walter --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: [OT] Java question
Google java 8 source code... Openjdk http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk8/jdk8/jdk/file/tip/src/share/classes/ Our try grepcode http://grepcode.com/file/repository.grepcode.com/java/root/jdk/openjdk/8-b132/java/net/Socket.java Oracle - the Windows package does not contain the source, but the Linux package does. Mark On Oct 17, 2014 5:37 PM, David Schwartz newslett...@thetoolwiz.com wrote: I’m guessing there may be a few java devs on this list. I’ve got a basic Java question. I am NOT a Java dev, never actually touched it. However, I’ve been looking at the latest updates to Java 8 and I want to look at some of the library source code to see how they did some of the stuff. I’ve found online docs, but where can I find the actual source code for the libraries? It’s open source, so I assume it’s available somewhere. For example, here’s one I want to examine: java.util.stream.Streams If I can find that, I can find the others. :-) (I’ve done some searching around in Google, and I’ve found some stuff, but I’m unclear if it’s the actual source code or just interfaces to the code where the code lives somewhere else.) Thanks -David --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: [OT] Java question
As Mark points out, the official home for the Open Source (GPL) JDK project is openjdk.net There are several sources (which can make things confusing) for different parts of the Java ecosystem, however. The JVM is separate from the SE standard library, which is separate from the additional packages (often javax.*, but sometimes in other packages) often referred to as standard extensions. Java Enterprise Edition sources are even more complicated as the official SDK is just interfaces, the implementation is whatever EE server (open or proprietary) you select. The Reference is Tomcat and Glassfish. Both Geronimo and JBoss are fine open source implementations that show other ways of implementing the specifications and have their own ecosystems of additional services. The Standard Library (SE) source code is generally available on (Linux) installs of OpenJDK (after installing the openjdk-$VERSION-source package on debian derivatives) in src.jar or src.zip in the JDK installation lib directory The canonical source is always in the mercurial repo on openjdk.net, but the repo organization is pretty terrible, so it's often easier to find things in the src.[jar|zip] file if you're trying to explore the SE standard library. Hopefully that answers your question. On 10/17/2014 08:21 PM, Mark Phillips wrote: Google java 8 source code... Openjdk http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk8/jdk8/jdk/file/tip/src/share/classes/ Our try grepcode http://grepcode.com/file/repository.grepcode.com/java/root/jdk/openjdk/8-b132/java/net/Socket.java Oracle - the Windows package does not contain the source, but the Linux package does. Mark On Oct 17, 2014 5:37 PM, David Schwartz newslett...@thetoolwiz.com wrote: I’m guessing there may be a few java devs on this list. I’ve got a basic Java question. I am NOT a Java dev, never actually touched it. However, I’ve been looking at the latest updates to Java 8 and I want to look at some of the library source code to see how they did some of the stuff. I’ve found online docs, but where can I find the actual source code for the libraries? It’s open source, so I assume it’s available somewhere. For example, here’s one I want to examine: java.util.stream.Streams If I can find that, I can find the others. :-) (I’ve done some searching around in Google, and I’ve found some stuff, but I’m unclear if it’s the actual source code or just interfaces to the code where the code lives somewhere else.) Thanks -David --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How smart is S.M.A.R.T.?
Seagate has been cranking out such bad drives lately, I think I would rather have a used hitachi than a new seagate. Brian Cluff On 10/17/2014 08:43 AM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote: If you have credible evidence that Seagate is selling used Hitachi drives as new and under their label I'm sure your State Attorney General would like to hear from you. On 2014-10-17 10:08, George Toft wrote: How many [thousand] hours on the drive? I think you're gambling if you have more than 26,000 hours (3 years) and ESPECIALLY if it's really a Hitachi drive. Seagate bought Hitachi recently, and from what I've seen, are selling used Hitachi drives as new Seagate drives - check the model number and the run hours! Hard drives are killing me this year - I've spent over 80 hours in rework because of failed drives - especially with Seatachi drives (see above). 80 hours of rework at no pay is a painful lesson. Regards, George Toft On 9/11/2014 4:06 PM, parabell...@yahoo.com wrote: Greetings! I have a 500GB Seagate ST3500312CS SATA drive salvaged from a decommissioned DVR. The DVR's OS said SMART status OK. The latest Seatools disk utility from the Seagate website says the drive is A-OK (short test, long test, full erase, re-test) no errors found. However, the Gnome disk utility in Mint 17 says 'Threshold not exceeded' and 'Disk is OK, 178 bad sectors'. Some other SMART attributes displayed: ID1Read Error Rate: 152141757 ID5 Reallocated Sector Count: 178 sectors ID187 Reported Uncorrectable Errors: 0 sectors ID198Uncorrectable Sector Count: 0 sectors ID199UDMA CRC Error Rate: 0 GSmart Control 0.8.7 is reading the same thing, 178 sectors, but also says it's OK. running an e2fsck from gparted reports 0 bad blocks. I've also retested in another machine with different cables to minimize the possibility of bogus hardware or BIOS issues, but the results remain the same. Seagate's website has a FAQ that says their tools should be the final say as they're designed to work correctly with their drives. Normally a bad sector or two wouldn't bother me, I have drives that have been running for years like that. I just keep backups fresh and check for bad sector growth. A few bad sectors is within spec and that's why HDD's have a reserved area. Yet somehow 178 sectors seems like a lot. Should I trust this drive for anything more than a paperweight? Should I trust anything with the words 'smart', 'affordable', or 'free' in the name? ;] Thanks! --Kenn --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: liksys WRT54G
Mike, I have the same device in my networking system. My answer may not be 100% correct, but here is my SWAG: The device was designed to serve as a router with DHCP server capabilities, in other words it hands out IP addresses to requests that come from one of the output ports. You can access the device using its web page and turn that feature off, it then acts as a bridge router and the DHCP functioning will come from further upsteam, from your other router. The network will not function correctly if you have two different devices trying to pass out IP addresses using DHCP. Everything pretty much quits talking to each other. While I have never tried using the device by plugging everything only into the output ports, I am guessing that connection setup would use the device as a bare dumb switch. No more double DHCP, only happy connectivity. I am reasonably sure my explanation is not technically correct, but is functional. I was quite loose with input, output, upstream, and downstream analogies, but that is the way I think of them. By the way on a separate item, it is my understanding that most of these devices are hacked and infected and should be either upgraded, or replaced. I have yet to do either, but I think that is the case. HM On 10/17/2014 03:08 PM, Michael Havens wrote: That is the router I have. On the back there are 4 LAN ports and another port labled Internet. My setup had the cable from the modem feeding into that port and everything worked until a couple of days ago. Today I switched that cable to a LAN port and everything worked again. I asked in another thread the purpose of the internet port and MR Butash gave me an answer but it is still a lot hazy. In my research to answer the question myself I found a wikipedia article that states: The original *WRT54G* was first released in December 2002. It has a 4+1 port network switch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_switch (the Internet/WAN port is part of the same internal network switch, but on a different VLAN https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLAN). My questions: What is that port for if not to be an input port for the internet and Why was it working as an input port for the internet and why did it stop working as such? :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
