Anybody see this announcement between MS and Docker?

[David Schwartz]

This looks interesting:

https://blog.docker.com/2014/10/docker-microsoft-partner-distributed-applications/

Not so much for the MS part, but the general concept that has been evolving 
within the Linux environment.

I’m not sure I totally understand it, tho.

I attended an Amazon “Big Data” presentation in Tempe a few weeks ago, and it 
was interesting to see how they’ve done something similar (if I’m getting the 
idea correctly) in the way they now allow you to provision and stand-up any 
number of nodes using HADOOP. They can be running many Linux variants as well 
as several Windows platforms, not to mention a bunch of databses. But I don’t 
think they’re “containerized” — just VMs that are allocated as-needed.

Thoughts?

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Re: Co-Location providers in Phoenix.

[Keith Smith]

So maybe that is $50/mo now? That is very cheap. I know a guy who owns a 
data center on the coast that rents out physical servers starting around 
$100/mo if you need more info contact me off list.



On 2014-10-20 11:03, George Toft wrote:

8 years ago I rented a physical server for $25/month and had full root
access.  You should be able to find similar deals out there.

Regards,

George Toft

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I've been toying with the idea of setting up a server CoLo.  Who is 
the least expensive?

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Re: Co-Location providers in Phoenix.

[Wayne Davis]

No, not yet.  Today I was in contact with someone who runs a server of 
the type I want.  In the next few days, I'll know much more.

At that time, I'll send a msg here with details on specs and such.

On 10/20/2014 01:39 PM, Sesso wrote:

Do you know what kind of specs you are looking for right now?


Jason


On Oct 20, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Wayne Davis > wrote:


Right now, this is just a thought.  It may prove far too costly.

The plan is for a game server serving multiple instances  - Hmm.. I 
will have to figure out worst-case load to figure out what kind of 
bandwidth will be needed.


I'll check out that linkThanks.   :-)


On 10/20/2014 09:24 AM, Mark Phillips wrote:
Do you really need a physical box? You can get 30 GB and 1 GB of RAM 
for $10/month from Digital Ocean. Full ssh root access. Amazon has a 
plan going with free service for a year - 
http://aws.amazon.com/free/ . Linode 
has 20 GB and 1 GB RAM for $10/month.


Mark

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:03 AM, George Toft > wrote:


8 years ago I rented a physical server for $25/month and had
full root access.  You should be able to find similar deals out
there.

Regards,

George Toft


On 10/19/2014 10:38 PM, Wayne Davis wrote:

I've been toying with the idea of setting up a server CoLo. 
Who is the least expensive?






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Re: How smart is S.M.A.R.T.?

[James Dugger]

I have Hitachis that are 2 years old running in raid 10 (MD) with no
issues.  An other array have had 1 WD black go bad.  I have one array that
I mixed drive brands (each 1.TB) w 1 Seagate Barracuda in the array (raid
10).  The Seagate always falls out of sync due to virtual blocking.

I'm trying WD reds next.
On Oct 19, 2014 8:51 PM, "George Toft"  wrote:

> Credible - hmmm - all I have is the vendor's assertion the drives were new
> from Seagate.  Times two vendors.
>
> For you WD fans out there - I just had 4 WD Enterprise drives fail on me
> in the past month (out of 18 in two arrays).  They were all dated Nov 2010
> - that should give you an indication how long they last under 24x7x365 use
> in a data center.
>
> Regards,
>
> George Toft
>
> On 10/17/2014 8:43 AM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:
>
>>
>> If you have credible evidence that Seagate is selling used Hitachi drives
>> as new and under their label I'm sure your State Attorney General would
>> like to hear from you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2014-10-17 10:08, George Toft wrote:
>>
>>> How many [thousand] hours on the drive?  I think you're gambling if
>>> you have more than 26,000 hours (3 years) and ESPECIALLY if it's
>>> really a Hitachi drive.  Seagate bought Hitachi recently, and from
>>> what I've seen, are selling used Hitachi drives as "new" Seagate
>>> drives - check the model number and the run hours!
>>>
>>> Hard drives are killing me this year - I've spent over 80 hours in
>>> rework because of failed drives - especially with Seatachi drives (see
>>> above).  80 hours of rework at no pay is a painful lesson.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> George Toft
>>>
>>> On 9/11/2014 4:06 PM, parabell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
 Greetings!


 I have a 500GB Seagate ST3500312CS SATA drive salvaged from a
 decommissioned DVR. The DVR's OS said SMART status OK. The latest Seatools
 disk utility from the Seagate website says the drive is A-OK (short test,
 long test, full erase, re-test) no errors found.

 However, the Gnome disk utility in Mint 17 says 'Threshold not
 exceeded' and 'Disk is OK, 178 bad sectors'.

 Some other SMART attributes displayed:

 ID1Read Error Rate: 152141757
 ID5  Reallocated Sector Count: 178 sectors
 ID187 Reported Uncorrectable Errors: 0 sectors
 ID198Uncorrectable Sector Count: 0 sectors
 ID199UDMA CRC Error Rate: 0


 GSmart Control 0.8.7 is reading the same thing, 178 sectors, but also
 says it's OK.

 running an e2fsck from gparted reports 0 bad blocks.

 I've also retested in another machine with different cables to minimize
 the possibility of bogus hardware or BIOS issues, but the results remain
 the same.

 Seagate's website has a FAQ that says their tools should be the final
 say as they're designed to work correctly with their drives.

 Normally a bad sector or two wouldn't bother me, I have drives that
 have been running for years like that. I just keep backups fresh and check
 for bad sector growth. A few bad sectors is within spec and that's why
 HDD's have a reserved area. Yet somehow 178 sectors seems like a lot.

 Should I trust this drive for anything more than a paperweight?

 Should I trust anything with the words 'smart', 'affordable', or 'free'
 in the name?  ;]


 Thanks!


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Re: Co-Location providers in Phoenix.

[James Dugger]

2 years ago the company I used to be with Co located their servers to
Interwrks' datacenter in Mesa. We used them for VOIP.  I think it cost
(monthly) $60/U plus bandwidth which I think was $100 5Gbs.  This was space
only you installed your own stuff.

+1 for AWS.  DigitalOcean is very competitive with Linode and AWS
I've been toying with the idea of setting up a server CoLo.  Who is the
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Re: Co-Location providers in Phoenix.

[Sesso]

Do you know what kind of specs you are looking for right now?


Jason


> On Oct 20, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Wayne Davis  wrote:
> 
> Right now, this is just a thought.  It may prove far too costly.
> 
> The plan is for a game server serving multiple instances  - Hmm.. I will have 
> to figure out worst-case load to figure out what kind of bandwidth will be 
> needed.
> 
> I'll check out that linkThanks.   :-)
> 
> 
> On 10/20/2014 09:24 AM, Mark Phillips wrote:
>> Do you really need a physical box? You can get 30 GB and 1 GB of RAM for 
>> $10/month from Digital Ocean. Full ssh root access. Amazon has a plan going 
>> with free service for a year -  http://aws.amazon.com/free/ 
>> . Linode has 20 GB and 1 GB RAM for $10/month.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:03 AM, George Toft > > wrote:
>> 8 years ago I rented a physical server for $25/month and had full root 
>> access.  You should be able to find similar deals out there.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> George Toft
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/19/2014 10:38 PM, Wayne Davis wrote:
>> I've been toying with the idea of setting up a server CoLo.  Who is the 
>> least expensive?
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Re: Co-Location providers in Phoenix.

[Wayne Davis]

Right now, this is just a thought.  It may prove far too costly.

The plan is for a game server serving multiple instances  - Hmm.. I will 
have to figure out worst-case load to figure out what kind of bandwidth 
will be needed.


I'll check out that linkThanks.   :-)


On 10/20/2014 09:24 AM, Mark Phillips wrote:
Do you really need a physical box? You can get 30 GB and 1 GB of RAM 
for $10/month from Digital Ocean. Full ssh root access. Amazon has a 
plan going with free service for a year - http://aws.amazon.com/free/ 
. Linode has 20 GB and 1 GB RAM for 
$10/month.


Mark

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:03 AM, George Toft > wrote:


8 years ago I rented a physical server for $25/month and had full
root access.  You should be able to find similar deals out there.

Regards,

George Toft


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I've been toying with the idea of setting up a server CoLo. 
Who is the least expensive?

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Re: Hardware question

[IscreamKid]

The short line is that I have two old ISA bus computers located on the north 
end of Phoenix that I am going to dispose. You are welcome to them if, if, and 
if, along with the proviso that you dispose of the safely when you are done 
with them.

The longer topic is the question, have you thought with any specificity 
regarding what aspect of hardware you want to earn?

Do you want to know how to set them up and connect then, or swap out parts for 
maintenance, build neat stuff from Arduino type single board computers, or 
solder chips to boards you have designed and etched yourself?

HM

> On Oct 20, 2014, at 09:23, Carruth, Rusty  wrote:
> 
> ISTR seeing computers somewhere – maybe it was Savers?
>  
> Also you can find used computers on craigslist, but I don’t know the price vs 
> quality range there.
>  
> Then there is Gracie’s Cottage and other such ‘independent’ thrift stores, 
> and then yard sales….  Or you could try that place near downtown where they 
> sell individual boards (not apache rec.  This place is near 7th ave and 
> Washington or some other president down there)
>  
> As to what hardware to know, you might first start asking the places where 
> you are considering volunteering what sort of questions they get about 
> computers.  I do know that many people seem to confuse RAM and disk (“How 
> much RAM does your computer have?” “My computer has 500G of ram. “ No, not 
> likely…)
>  
>  
> From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org 
> [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Michael Havens
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 2:17 PM
> To: Main PLUG discussion list
> Subject: Re: Hardware question
>  
> goodwill doesn't sell used computers you need to find another thrift 
> store. they told me they have a contract with dell to sell them any computers 
> they are donated.
> 
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>  
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Stephen M  wrote:
> I'm trying to diversify myself so I can add things on my resume.  I have 
> never been into hardware but trying to understand it.  I was planning on 
> getting a computer or two from goodwell, break it apart and reassemble it.  
> And I am looking for volunteering like at a library to help non-techie ppl.
> 
> Does anyone else have suggestions on hardware to know.  I'm not looking for 
> something specific but a general understanding of computer hardware.
> 
> Thanks to all in advance.
> 
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> 602-400-7707
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Re: Hardware question

[Stephen Partington]

How old are you wanting, I have an old Dell Optiplex 280 that works but is
well a POS cause its old.

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Carruth, Rusty  wrote:

> ISTR seeing computers somewhere - maybe it was Savers?
>
>
>
> Also you can find used computers on craigslist, but I don't know the price
> vs quality range there.
>
>
>
> Then there is Gracie's Cottage and other such 'independent' thrift stores,
> and then yard sales  Or you could try that place near downtown where they
> sell individual boards (not apache rec.  This place is near 7th ave and
> Washington or some other president down there)
>
>
>
> As to what hardware to know, you might first start asking the places where
> you are considering volunteering what sort of questions they get about
> computers.  I do know that many people seem to confuse RAM and disk ("How
> much RAM does your computer have?" "My computer has 500G of ram. " No, not
> likely...)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org [mailto:
> plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael Havens
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 19, 2014 2:17 PM
> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
> *Subject:* Re: Hardware question
>
>
>
> goodwill doesn't sell used computers you need to find another thrift
> store. they told me they have a contract with dell to sell them any
> computers they are donated.
>
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Stephen M  wrote:
>
> I'm trying to diversify myself so I can add things on my resume.  I have
> never been into hardware but trying to understand it.  I was planning on
> getting a computer or two from goodwell, break it apart and reassemble it.
> And I am looking for volunteering like at a library to help non-techie ppl.
>
> Does anyone else have suggestions on hardware to know.  I'm not looking
> for something specific but a general understanding of computer hardware.
>
> Thanks to all in advance.
>
>
> --
> Stephen Melheim
> 602-400-7707
> smelhei...@gmail.com
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rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.

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Re: Co-Location providers in Phoenix.

[George Toft]

I have a client who has 1/2 rack in Phoenix NAP.  From my perspective, 
PNAP's physical security is very good, their network connectivity is 
excellent, and their customer service is pretty good, too.


Just beware the PDU takes up 1U of your space.  Fortunately, it's not 
full depth, so you can use the front side for something else that's not 
too deep, like a switch or firewall . . . it you're tight for space :)


Regards,

George Toft

On 10/19/2014 10:40 PM, Sesso wrote:

Phoenix nap is 300$ a month for a 1/4 rack.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 19, 2014, at 10:38 PM, Wayne Davis  wrote:

I've been toying with the idea of setting up a server CoLo.  Who is the least 
expensive?
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Re: Co-Location providers in Phoenix.

[Mark Phillips]

Do you really need a physical box? You can get 30 GB and 1 GB of RAM for
$10/month from Digital Ocean. Full ssh root access. Amazon has a plan going
with free service for a year -  http://aws.amazon.com/free/. Linode has 20
GB and 1 GB RAM for $10/month.

Mark

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:03 AM, George Toft  wrote:

> 8 years ago I rented a physical server for $25/month and had full root
> access.  You should be able to find similar deals out there.
>
> Regards,
>
> George Toft
>
>
> On 10/19/2014 10:38 PM, Wayne Davis wrote:
>
>> I've been toying with the idea of setting up a server CoLo.  Who is the
>> least expensive?
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RE: Hardware question

[Carruth, Rusty]

ISTR seeing computers somewhere – maybe it was Savers?

 

Also you can find used computers on craigslist, but I don’t know the price vs 
quality range there.

 

Then there is Gracie’s Cottage and other such ‘independent’ thrift stores, and 
then yard sales….  Or you could try that place near downtown where they sell 
individual boards (not apache rec.  This place is near 7th ave and Washington 
or some other president down there)

 

As to what hardware to know, you might first start asking the places where you 
are considering volunteering what sort of questions they get about computers.  
I do know that many people seem to confuse RAM and disk (“How much RAM does 
your computer have?” “My computer has 500G of ram. “ No, not likely…)

 

 

From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org 
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Michael Havens
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 2:17 PM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: Hardware question

 

goodwill doesn't sell used computers you need to find another thrift store. 
they told me they have a contract with dell to sell them any computers they are 
donated.




:-)~MIKE~(-:

 

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Stephen M  wrote:

I'm trying to diversify myself so I can add things on my resume.  I have never 
been into hardware but trying to understand it.  I was planning on getting a 
computer or two from goodwell, break it apart and reassemble it.  And I am 
looking for volunteering like at a library to help non-techie ppl.

Does anyone else have suggestions on hardware to know.  I'm not looking for 
something specific but a general understanding of computer hardware.

Thanks to all in advance.



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Re: Co-Location providers in Phoenix.

[George Toft]

8 years ago I rented a physical server for $25/month and had full root 
access.  You should be able to find similar deals out there.


Regards,

George Toft

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Re: nvidia card

[Michael Havens]

bummer! Thanks for the input.

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> The 6150 was not a great design. And it had trouble in Windows as well as
> Linux.
> On Oct 19, 2014 7:59 PM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:
>
>> I installed the proprietary driver. it helped but the help was VERY
>> limited.
>>
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Stephen Partington > > wrote:
>>
>>> The 6150 I think uses turbo cache and I have never seen that work well
>>> in Linux. You may not have such a card but you might check. If so your best
>>> bet is the NVIDIA proprietary drivers.
>>> On Oct 19, 2014 2:00 PM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:
>>>
 I have an nvidia geforce6150 and it doesn't seem to be working. the
 game chromium bsu  dowsn't run right. I configured it to use the recommende
 driver but that didn't fix the problem. can anyone offer me any help?
 :-)~MIKE~(-:

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