Re: suggestions for good wiki?
I like Semantic-Mediawiki[1] but plain old Mediawiki[2] might work for you. If you are in a dev environment, the included wiki in Trac[3] is very good. [1] https://semantic-mediawiki.org [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki [3] http://trac.edgewall.org/ A great commercial wiki is Confluence - https://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/ For real document management look at Alfresco - great M$, email & docs integration - https://www.alfresco.com/ and https://www.alfresco.com/products/community/download Ed On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Sesso wrote: > We use samepage.io > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 23, 2015, at 9:39 AM, JD Austin wrote: > > Not something I've set up but there seems to be a lot of them: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wikis > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_software > > > > -- JD Austin > Voice: 480.269.4335 (480 2MY Geek) > j...@twingeckos.com > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 8:06 AM, rustyca...@descomp.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> I'm about to pull my hair out (and I don't have a LOT to spare!). >> >> I'm trying to find something with: >> >> - better search capabilities than TWiki >> - better table and post editing than Horde >> - ability to store files in the wiki, especially with drag-and-drop. >> >> Things that would be nice: >> >> - Ability to put my (archived) email into it and search it for stuff. >> >> Clients run Windows almost exclusively. Server is Linux Mint 17 >> >> Twiki is nice on the editing front, but the search capability STINKS >> badly. >> TikiWiki looked good, but had bad... um, editing? Search? I don't >> remember now. >> >> Purpose: >> >> Primarily to allow us to 'remember' things we've learned or know in a way >> that everyone can find and thus 'remember' those same things. >> >> There may be some amount of 'discussion' in the wiki as well, for example >> we've got something we're going to be designing that we're writing >> requirements for using the wiki... >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Buying hardware cheep
Actually, since you brought this up … A couple of years ago, I picked up a killer deal on an Asus laptop at Best Buy just as Windows 8 was being released. Seems retailers all over were flushing out stock of everything that had Windows 7 installed. So this might simply be an indicator that they’re doing the same thing right now, as Windows 10 is due to ship the 29th — next Wednesday. If it works the same as last time, they don’t want retailers to have ANY machines out for sale that don’t have Windows 10 installed already. So keep your eyes out for deals all over the place for the next week, especailly this weekend. The laptop I got was a refurbished item that I think cost me $189. The full retail price on them was around $400. -David "The Tool Wiz" Schwartz > On Jul 23, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Keith Smith wrote: > > > I only buy when I can get a really good deal. I own this exact laptop as > does my wife. I run Mint on mine. I wish I would have gotten this good of a > deal. I got a deal, however not this good. > > http://www.staples.com/Dell-Inspiron-Laptop-156-500GB-Hard-Drive-4GB-Memory-Intel-i3/product_1075790?cid=BNR:CORP:8689192:1037702:117501376:290360272:0 > > Deals like this do not come along often. > > > -- > Keith Smith > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: O/T : Looking for an entry level LAMP developer for contract work.
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 07:23:13 -0700 Keith Smith wrote: > > der.hans, is there a solution to this and if so what is it? Great > piece by the way. By "this", I assume you mean the ridiculous job requirements discussed by der.hans and David Schwartz. And I'd like to point out one very telling item in David Schwartz' post: === My question: How in the hell does anybody get hired ANYWHERE without flat out LYING about stuff on their resume? === David's question gets right to the meat of the matter, and I think every job seeker needs to consider how "honest" s/he wants to be, and the cost of his/her honesty. Because I'm as sure as I can be without conducting a statistically valid study that in most cases, the successful candidate stretched the truth quite hard, or else s/he did an end run around HR by knowing or meeting someone. If you are totally truthful in a situation with unfulfillable requirements, who gains? The employer? Probably not: Likely as not the successful candidate is not as productive as you (assuming the job is something you can really do, and you usually know). So, as a prospective employee, one way to "solve" this is to make the truth a little maleable. Sometimes you can add some truth to your resume with Rapid Learning. I sell books on the subject. Another way is to be a freelance hired gun. That's what I used to do. I'd walk in, get some requirements, agree on an hourly rate, and deliver something that worked plausibly in a day or two. Then I'd keep improving it according to the client's needs. HR doesn't deal with vendors, and if you're a freelance hired gun, you're a vendor who gets to talk to the project's principals. Speaking of principals, working for small businesses often gets you right in to see the person who signs the check and the person supervising you, and it's often the same person. Now that preexisting conditions in health insurance are a thing of the past, working for small companies is doable even if you or someone in the family has diabetes etc. If you're an employer, you need to evaluate the true cost of "hit the ground running", because you're likely to pay top dollar for a disppointing employee who likely will hit the ground crawling, or perhaps pay a little less for a slave-labor H1-B whose main value is cost. If you want a budding rock star who's happy to give his all for $22/hr, frequent community colleges, user groups, and the like. Find the right candidate, test the heck out of him/her, then when you've decided, tell HR to make the hire. Does it take work? You'd better believe it. Does it pay off? You bet it does: I once hired a dirt cheap guy who was very productive, I mentored him, and he blossemed quickly. And there were more where he came from, although I would have had to go up a smidge in salary (but still cheap). There are ways to solve it, but they all depend on the technologically supervisor guiding the search, and HR rubber stamping it. And sometimes HR just doesn't like that. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Buying hardware cheep
I only buy when I can get a really good deal. I own this exact laptop as does my wife. I run Mint on mine. I wish I would have gotten this good of a deal. I got a deal, however not this good. http://www.staples.com/Dell-Inspiron-Laptop-156-500GB-Hard-Drive-4GB-Memory-Intel-i3/product_1075790?cid=BNR:CORP:8689192:1037702:117501376:290360272:0 Deals like this do not come along often. -- Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: suggestions for good wiki?
We use samepage.io Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 23, 2015, at 9:39 AM, JD Austin wrote: > > Not something I've set up but there seems to be a lot of them: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wikis > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_software > > > > -- JD Austin > Voice: 480.269.4335 (480 2MY Geek) > j...@twingeckos.com > > >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 8:06 AM, rustyca...@descomp.com >> wrote: >> >> I'm about to pull my hair out (and I don't have a LOT to spare!). >> >> I'm trying to find something with: >> >> - better search capabilities than TWiki >> - better table and post editing than Horde >> - ability to store files in the wiki, especially with drag-and-drop. >> >> Things that would be nice: >> >> - Ability to put my (archived) email into it and search it for stuff. >> >> Clients run Windows almost exclusively. Server is Linux Mint 17 >> >> Twiki is nice on the editing front, but the search capability STINKS badly. >> TikiWiki looked good, but had bad... um, editing? Search? I don't remember >> now. >> >> Purpose: >> >> Primarily to allow us to 'remember' things we've learned or know in a way >> that everyone can find and thus 'remember' those same things. >> >> There may be some amount of 'discussion' in the wiki as well, for example >> we've got something we're going to be designing that we're writing >> requirements for using the wiki... >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: suggestions for good wiki?
Not something I've set up but there seems to be a lot of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wikis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_software -- JD Austin Voice: 480.269.4335 (480 2MY Geek) j...@twingeckos.com On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 8:06 AM, rustyca...@descomp.com < rustyca...@descomp.com> wrote: > > > I'm about to pull my hair out (and I don't have a LOT to spare!). > > I'm trying to find something with: > > - better search capabilities than TWiki > - better table and post editing than Horde > - ability to store files in the wiki, especially with drag-and-drop. > > Things that would be nice: > > - Ability to put my (archived) email into it and search it for stuff. > > Clients run Windows almost exclusively. Server is Linux Mint 17 > > Twiki is nice on the editing front, but the search capability STINKS badly. > TikiWiki looked good, but had bad... um, editing? Search? I don't remember > now. > > Purpose: > > Primarily to allow us to 'remember' things we've learned or know in a way > that everyone can find and thus 'remember' those same things. > > There may be some amount of 'discussion' in the wiki as well, for example > we've got something we're going to be designing that we're writing > requirements for using the wiki... > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks! > > > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Fwd: suggestions for good wiki?
I'm about to pull my hair out (and I don't have a LOT to spare!). I'm trying to find something with: - better search capabilities than TWiki - better table and post editing than Horde - ability to store files in the wiki, especially with drag-and-drop. Things that would be nice: - Ability to put my (archived) email into it and search it for stuff. Clients run Windows almost exclusively. Server is Linux Mint 17 Twiki is nice on the editing front, but the search capability STINKS badly. TikiWiki looked good, but had bad... um, editing? Search? I don't remember now. Purpose: Primarily to allow us to 'remember' things we've learned or know in a way that everyone can find and thus 'remember' those same things. There may be some amount of 'discussion' in the wiki as well, for example we've got something we're going to be designing that we're writing requirements for using the wiki... Any suggestions? Thanks! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: LVM and raid
A couple of things i have set up for. The initital install is on LVM already so most of that was in place (including /) and i have no data on this. so if it wrecked its only an install away to start over. But this is a good start for some reading, thank you! On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Matt Graham wrote: > On 2015-07-21 13:28, Stephen Partington wrote: > >> Ubuntu 15.04 installed and am looking to find out if there is a way >> to migrate to raid on a running system. >> >> In theory i should be able to do this by creating a degraded portion >> of the raid volume on the empty disk, extend/move my LVM to that disk >> then rebuild the original disk as part of that raid volume. >> > > This is a softRAID-1, right? That makes the most sense for what you've > said. > > I was wondering if anyone had some documentation of information i >> could read about this scenario. >> > > I did something like this when I moved my stuff from just 1 disk on > regular partitions to softRAID-1. First, back up all your junk, because > there are multiple points in this where you could scribble all over your > disks. Second, make sure you have a LiveCD or LiveUSB disk to boot from if > the bootloader goes wonky. > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Complete_Handbook/Software_RAID should be > pretty applicable to working with softRAID and applicable to distros that > are not Gentoo. > > You'd first take the new disk and partition it. I would think you'd need > at least 2 partitions since having /boot on LVM is not going to work, and > possibly 3 because having / on LVM has more fiddly bits than having it on a > regular partition. > > So, fdisk /dev/sdb , set it up with 2 or 3 partitions (whichever), and > then set up the RAID. This'll assume that your largest partition (the one > that'll be your PV) is /dev/sdb2 . You'd then do > > mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb2 missing > > This'll set up an array in degraded mode on /dev/md0. You'd then pvcreate > /dev/md0 , then vgextend $VG_NAME /dev/md0 , then pvmove > /dev/$OLD_PV_LOCATION . Then vgreduce $VG_NAME /dev/$OLD_PV_LOCATION and > pvremove /dev/$OLD_PV_LOCATION to remove the old PV from lvm's config. > Then you'd add the old PV back to the md0 with mdadm /dev/md0 --add > /dev/$OLD_PV_LOCATION . The disk sync will probably take a while. > > You'll have to set things up so that the bootloader can figure everything > out. Are you going to put / on LVM? That requires that the initrd have > all the LVM tools on it. I don't know if Ubuntu can handle that > automatically or not--I would guess so, but ICBW. > > -- > Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress > There is no Darkness in Eternity > But only Light too dim for us to see. > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: LVM and raid
On 2015-07-21 13:28, Stephen Partington wrote: Ubuntu 15.04 installed and am looking to find out if there is a way to migrate to raid on a running system. In theory i should be able to do this by creating a degraded portion of the raid volume on the empty disk, extend/move my LVM to that disk then rebuild the original disk as part of that raid volume. This is a softRAID-1, right? That makes the most sense for what you've said. I was wondering if anyone had some documentation of information i could read about this scenario. I did something like this when I moved my stuff from just 1 disk on regular partitions to softRAID-1. First, back up all your junk, because there are multiple points in this where you could scribble all over your disks. Second, make sure you have a LiveCD or LiveUSB disk to boot from if the bootloader goes wonky. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Complete_Handbook/Software_RAID should be pretty applicable to working with softRAID and applicable to distros that are not Gentoo. You'd first take the new disk and partition it. I would think you'd need at least 2 partitions since having /boot on LVM is not going to work, and possibly 3 because having / on LVM has more fiddly bits than having it on a regular partition. So, fdisk /dev/sdb , set it up with 2 or 3 partitions (whichever), and then set up the RAID. This'll assume that your largest partition (the one that'll be your PV) is /dev/sdb2 . You'd then do mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb2 missing This'll set up an array in degraded mode on /dev/md0. You'd then pvcreate /dev/md0 , then vgextend $VG_NAME /dev/md0 , then pvmove /dev/$OLD_PV_LOCATION . Then vgreduce $VG_NAME /dev/$OLD_PV_LOCATION and pvremove /dev/$OLD_PV_LOCATION to remove the old PV from lvm's config. Then you'd add the old PV back to the md0 with mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/$OLD_PV_LOCATION . The disk sync will probably take a while. You'll have to set things up so that the bootloader can figure everything out. Are you going to put / on LVM? That requires that the initrd have all the LVM tools on it. I don't know if Ubuntu can handle that automatically or not--I would guess so, but ICBW. -- Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress There is no Darkness in Eternity But only Light too dim for us to see. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: O/T : Looking for an entry level LAMP developer for contract work.
On 07/23/2015 06:46 AM, David Schwartz wrote: My question: How in the hell does anybody get hired ANYWHERE without flat out LYING about stuff on their resume? Resume gets you a call and sort of the foot in the door from internal or external recruiters. Problem is 3rd party recruiters, most all suck. As you state, they amount to slightly better than call-center level outbound dialing from keyword searches, most in town I save their numbers and simply block. It's lucrative, 15-30% sometimes they'll make off your salary if they place you, so better than discover card collections. I will only deal with a few recruiters I know that when they call me it's actually something I do and know it'll be at a rate I want. If you want the job they call for, consider it an exercise in social engineering. From there, make sure you're actually suited to get the job when going for an interview. Everybody is hiring for experience with the latest tooks and buzzwords. It's the same for me in networking, so I pepper them into resumes and such. SDN (software-defined networking) is one of those, everyone reads about out, wants it, yet really don't know what what it does yet. Very few use it, nowhere near purported capabilities, and only in specific use cases, but they still want it. So I read about various products, know the hardware integration points, and sound like I know what I'm doing if people ask. When you can show you know at least as much as they do about it, which is usually little, you can both laugh that no one really uses it yet anyways and move on what kind of mess they have waiting for you to fix. It’s really messed up. When I go to job fairs there are mostly foreigners and older folks. And recruiters basically admitting that nobody is hiring into junior roles to learn new stuff except college grads. Everybody says they want to hire someone who can “hit the ground running”, which makes no sense to me because I’ve never had a job where I didn’t have to spend several weeks (if not months) learning their software apps first (mostly by reading the code b/c they don’t like their devs wasting time writing documentation). I do mostly consulting, and I've had those moments you show up, and they expect you to know everything instantly, and fix something wrong within the next hour. Those are sort of fun, but not a way you want to start a long-term job. I'd presume that really just amounts to "we code in x here, you do know x correct?". If they throw you some tidbit of work to fix something, you don't need to spend the next month learning that task. -David --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: O/T : Looking for an entry level LAMP developer for contract work.
Yours and der.hans' post compliment each other. Add in what Nathan said about his organization having several openings makes me wonder if being independent has more value than we might think. And if corporate America is willing to contract in place of hire. I think everyone should read http://www.amazon.com/Purple-Cow-New-Edition-Remarkable-Includes/dp/1591843170 , find their niche and go for it. I wonder if part of the cause is high turn over. I understand the average American stays at a job 2 to 3 years. If this is the case in the tech world, I can see why no one is willing to train or coach someone. Sure makes sense to me to hire someone with C++ experience for a Java position -- if they are going to stay for 5 or 6 years. Recruiting, hiring, and training is a very painful process and cost lots in time and money. So to summarize There is a shortage, possibly created by a broken hiring system, and no one can get hired Ok, I feel better now. On 2015-07-23 06:46, David Schwartz wrote: The current process of matching resumes with job reqs passed from managers to HR to recruiters / web sites to developers and back is totally broken. We have hiring managers on one end who have been out of the loop for a while and don’t seem to understand a lot of the tech used by the people they manage. They write a job req and give it to HR. The HR people are handling job reqs for the entire company and tend to not be very well-versed in tech either. They “polish up” the ads a bit then post them online. Recruiters get hold of them and tweak them a bit. Then actual devs read them and cannot figure out why a job looking for a “programmer” requires 3+ years working with the entire Adobe Creative Suite including Photoshop and Fireworks, and why they say they’re building a CMS but there’s no requirement for any database experience. So someone perfectly suited for the job responds and gets rejected because they don’t have the requisite “design” expertise. Last week I saw a job req for a junior web developer that requires, “extensive experience with Adobe Creative Suite, php, perl, python, MySQL (including stored procs), database design and administration, Apache, TomCat, and HTML5/CSS3." There was a position on Dice looking for “a minimum of 5 years of demonstrable experience writing apps in Swift”. I got an email from a recruiter last week (a young woman who probably recently left a phone sales job with AmEx or Vanguard) who said, “I’ve got a requirement for someone with extensive C++ programming experience, including OOA and OOD. I don’t see a lot of people with OOA and OOD experience listed in their resume, so you probably have a really great shot at this position!” [never heard back] Job req stated: “Java experience helpful”. Me: “What version of Java are they using?” Recruiter: “They just said Java. Does it matter what version?” Recruiter: “I see you have some php experience in your background. We have a web developer position that I think you’d be a great fit for.” Me: “Do they require any graphic arts or visual design experience?” Recruiter: “No, they don’t mention that.” Job req: “Requires: 5+ years Adobe Creative Suite, including Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, etc.” Job req: “We’re looking for a seasoned senior devleoper with 10+ years of C++ expertise.” Recruiter: “They’re looking for someone with recent C++ experience; you haven’t worked with it in several years.” Me: “What version of C++ are they using?” Recruiter: “It doesn’t say…” Next day: “I checked with the manager and he said they’re using C++99.” Me: “I worked with that version for quite a while.” Recruiter: “I’m sorry, they really want someone with recent experience.” HR: “We’re looking for someone with experience in Java, specifically lambdas and closures.” Me: “So you’re using Java 8?” HR: “No, this is for a Java 6 role. But you have to have experience with lambdas and closures. I don’t see that on your resume.” [Lambdas and closures are mostly new to Java 8, and not present in Java 6.] My question: How in the hell does anybody get hired ANYWHERE without flat out LYING about stuff on their resume? Everybody is hiring for experience with the latest tooks and buzzwords. Nobody cares that you’ve got 10+ years of OOA/OOD/OOP expertise if you cannot write code in the latest language du jour with your eyes closed. They prefer college kids with no depth of experience but one semester of some language over senior people with tons of experience and nothing as current as the college kid has. And from what I can tell, I could spend the next two years working with everything under the sun on my own, and nobody will give a rip because I have no “on the job experience” with any of it. It’s really messed up. When I go to job fairs there are mostly foreigners and older folks. And recruiters basically admitting that nobody is hiring into junior roles to learn new stuff except college grads. Everybody says they wan
Re: O/T : Looking for an entry level LAMP developer for contract work.
David, You always have great insight into the tech community. Keith On 2015-07-23 06:46, David Schwartz wrote: The current process of matching resumes with job reqs passed from managers to HR to recruiters / web sites to developers and back is totally broken. We have hiring managers on one end who have been out of the loop for a while and don’t seem to understand a lot of the tech used by the people they manage. They write a job req and give it to HR. The HR people are handling job reqs for the entire company and tend to not be very well-versed in tech either. They “polish up” the ads a bit then post them online. Recruiters get hold of them and tweak them a bit. Then actual devs read them and cannot figure out why a job looking for a “programmer” requires 3+ years working with the entire Adobe Creative Suite including Photoshop and Fireworks, and why they say they’re building a CMS but there’s no requirement for any database experience. So someone perfectly suited for the job responds and gets rejected because they don’t have the requisite “design” expertise. Last week I saw a job req for a junior web developer that requires, “extensive experience with Adobe Creative Suite, php, perl, python, MySQL (including stored procs), database design and administration, Apache, TomCat, and HTML5/CSS3." There was a position on Dice looking for “a minimum of 5 years of demonstrable experience writing apps in Swift”. I got an email from a recruiter last week (a young woman who probably recently left a phone sales job with AmEx or Vanguard) who said, “I’ve got a requirement for someone with extensive C++ programming experience, including OOA and OOD. I don’t see a lot of people with OOA and OOD experience listed in their resume, so you probably have a really great shot at this position!” [never heard back] Job req stated: “Java experience helpful”. Me: “What version of Java are they using?” Recruiter: “They just said Java. Does it matter what version?” Recruiter: “I see you have some php experience in your background. We have a web developer position that I think you’d be a great fit for.” Me: “Do they require any graphic arts or visual design experience?” Recruiter: “No, they don’t mention that.” Job req: “Requires: 5+ years Adobe Creative Suite, including Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, etc.” Job req: “We’re looking for a seasoned senior devleoper with 10+ years of C++ expertise.” Recruiter: “They’re looking for someone with recent C++ experience; you haven’t worked with it in several years.” Me: “What version of C++ are they using?” Recruiter: “It doesn’t say…” Next day: “I checked with the manager and he said they’re using C++99.” Me: “I worked with that version for quite a while.” Recruiter: “I’m sorry, they really want someone with recent experience.” HR: “We’re looking for someone with experience in Java, specifically lambdas and closures.” Me: “So you’re using Java 8?” HR: “No, this is for a Java 6 role. But you have to have experience with lambdas and closures. I don’t see that on your resume.” [Lambdas and closures are mostly new to Java 8, and not present in Java 6.] My question: How in the hell does anybody get hired ANYWHERE without flat out LYING about stuff on their resume? Everybody is hiring for experience with the latest tooks and buzzwords. Nobody cares that you’ve got 10+ years of OOA/OOD/OOP expertise if you cannot write code in the latest language du jour with your eyes closed. They prefer college kids with no depth of experience but one semester of some language over senior people with tons of experience and nothing as current as the college kid has. And from what I can tell, I could spend the next two years working with everything under the sun on my own, and nobody will give a rip because I have no “on the job experience” with any of it. It’s really messed up. When I go to job fairs there are mostly foreigners and older folks. And recruiters basically admitting that nobody is hiring into junior roles to learn new stuff except college grads. Everybody says they want to hire someone who can “hit the ground running”, which makes no sense to me because I’ve never had a job where I didn’t have to spend several weeks (if not months) learning their software apps first (mostly by reading the code b/c they don’t like their devs wasting time writing documentation). -David On Jul 22, 2015, at 10:40 PM, der.hans wrote: Am 22. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Nathan England so: moin moin, The company I currently work for has 3 developer position openings and in 4 months we've had only two candidates apply. That seems to me a real need for developers. Either that or the job description is too complicated for them to get past. ( None of this is pointing at any specific person or company, it just seems like the best place in the thread to mention it. ) There's an open secret about tech unemployment, it's been really low for years, even when general unemployment was really high. Du
Re: O/T : Looking for an entry level LAMP developer for contract work.
On 2015-07-22 22:57, der.hans wrote: Am 22. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Keith Smith so: moin moin, first off, job listings from PLUG members are not OT. We want people to get jobs. We want Free Software jobs to find good candidates. Good to know. Job listings from drive by recruiters is spam, but most of the recuiters we've run into over the years have either participated in the group or at least asked politely if they can post something. Second, I just forwarded this to a few people. Sorry for the delay, I thought I sent it out after the original post, but my sent-mail claims that I did not. Appreciate you doing so. ciao, der.hans Hi, I posted for an entry level LAMP developer a week or so ago figuring I would find a number of people wanting to break into LAMP development. What I received was a lackluster response. I was offering $22/hr 1099 with the potential to bill 40 hours a week. I figured by the time that person pays for health insurance figured at $250/mo, pays he self employment tax, and takes some vacation time and holiday time off, this compensation would be about $18 an hour W2 or $36,000 a year. Here is the contract description: I am looking for an entry level LAMP developer. Would like someone with entry level PHP skills and entry level Linux skills. Stuff like the ability to add a user, add a sudo user, and configure vhosts on apache. I will give directions with examples and they will be working on a development VPS so if they blow it we just spin up another. As for PHP skills if this person knows how to write a MySql connection string and is able to insert, update, delete and list this person could be what I am looking for. This is a maintenance job. This person would need to know some HTML and CSS. jQuery would be a plus. This contract could last as long as 2 or 3 years. At that point we would need to either up the compensation or understand when this person takes off for other opportunities. Is the compensation fair? Any ideas why I received such a lukewarm response? Your feedback is much appreciated. Keith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: O/T : Looking for an entry level LAMP developer for contract work.
Well if you are ever involved in the hiring process Take what was presented in this conversation and make that hiring manager aware of that information, It will help them hire people they ACTUALLY need. Pass it along to people in HR and the like. Spread the information. Be nice to have this posted someplace as a combined article/blog post that can be readily shared and linked to people that are involved in such things. On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Keith Smith wrote: > > der.hans, is there a solution to this and if so what is it? Great piece by > the way. > > > On 2015-07-22 22:40, der.hans wrote: > >> Am 22. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Nathan England so: >> >> moin moin, >> >> The company I currently work for has 3 developer position openings and >>> in 4 months we've had only two candidates apply. That seems to me a real >>> need for developers. Either that or the job description is too complicated >>> for them to get past. >>> >> >> ( None of this is pointing at any specific person or company, it just >> seems like the best place in the thread to mention it. ) >> >> There's an open secret about tech unemployment, it's been really low for >> years, even when general unemployment was really high. >> >> Due to this apparently being a secret, we get job descriptions that list >> every technology someone can cut and paste from Internet search results. >> >> But, since tech unemployment is actually low, it's hard to find >> candidates. >> >> In tech we're also usually looking for specialists. Do welding companies >> ask for someone expert in one particular welder? Are there dozens of >> brands of welders to choose from such that skills ( from the viewpoint of >> HR ) don't transfer to another brand of welder? Sorry, you only know java >> welders... >> >> So, we have a lack of candidates because people have jobs and don't >> need to look around and also because job descriptions are searching for >> unrealistic lists of skills while simultaneously focusing on narrow >> fields. >> >> Then, when candidates do appear, many get overlooked due to the narrow >> field view or lack of buzzwork bingo on their resumes. The habitually >> unemployed or new to the field seem are really up against heavy odds, even >> in the low unemployment state we've been in for years. >> >> Even an expert will have a learning curve to learn how your environment >> does it. The example I like to give is that if you hire Larry Wall to join >> your Perl team ( or Guido von Rossum for Python or Rasmus Lerdorf for >> PHP... ), he will need time to learn how your team works. Granted, if he >> then makes suggestions your team should probably listen intently :). >> >> For entry and junior level positions, look for candidates that are good at >> technology and learning, then give them room to grow into the specific >> position. You need that anyway because your environment *is* different. >> >> For senior positions, find those who know the field, then see if you think >> they can become the expert you need. The most likely reason we're looking >> is to do something new :). >> >> Also, please cross-train so when someone does leave the rest of the team >> isn't left with huge gaps in knowledge and experience! >> >> ciao, >> >> der.hans >> >> Nathan >>> >>> On 2015-07-22 10:45, Keith Smith wrote: >>> Hi, I posted for an entry level LAMP developer a week or so ago figuring I would find a number of people wanting to break into LAMP development. What I received was a lackluster response. I was offering $22/hr 1099 with the potential to bill 40 hours a week. I figured by the time that person pays for health insurance figured at $250/mo, pays he self employment tax, and takes some vacation time and holiday time off, this compensation would be about $18 an hour W2 or $36,000 a year. Here is the contract description: I am looking for an entry level LAMP developer. Would like someone with entry level PHP skills and entry level Linux skills. Stuff like the ability to add a user, add a sudo user, and configure vhosts on apache. I will give directions with examples and they will be working on a development VPS so if they blow it we just spin up another. As for PHP skills if this person knows how to write a MySql connection string and is able to insert, update, delete and list this person could be what I am looking for. This is a maintenance job. This person would need to know some HTML and CSS. jQuery would be a plus. This contract could last as long as 2 or 3 years. At that point we would need to either up the compensation or understand when this person takes off for other opportunities. Is the compensation fair? Any ideas why I received such a lukewarm response? Your feedback is much appreciated. Keith >>> --- >>> PLUG-discuss m
Re: O/T : Looking for an entry level LAMP developer for contract work.
der.hans, is there a solution to this and if so what is it? Great piece by the way. On 2015-07-22 22:40, der.hans wrote: Am 22. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Nathan England so: moin moin, The company I currently work for has 3 developer position openings and in 4 months we've had only two candidates apply. That seems to me a real need for developers. Either that or the job description is too complicated for them to get past. ( None of this is pointing at any specific person or company, it just seems like the best place in the thread to mention it. ) There's an open secret about tech unemployment, it's been really low for years, even when general unemployment was really high. Due to this apparently being a secret, we get job descriptions that list every technology someone can cut and paste from Internet search results. But, since tech unemployment is actually low, it's hard to find candidates. In tech we're also usually looking for specialists. Do welding companies ask for someone expert in one particular welder? Are there dozens of brands of welders to choose from such that skills ( from the viewpoint of HR ) don't transfer to another brand of welder? Sorry, you only know java welders... So, we have a lack of candidates because people have jobs and don't need to look around and also because job descriptions are searching for unrealistic lists of skills while simultaneously focusing on narrow fields. Then, when candidates do appear, many get overlooked due to the narrow field view or lack of buzzwork bingo on their resumes. The habitually unemployed or new to the field seem are really up against heavy odds, even in the low unemployment state we've been in for years. Even an expert will have a learning curve to learn how your environment does it. The example I like to give is that if you hire Larry Wall to join your Perl team ( or Guido von Rossum for Python or Rasmus Lerdorf for PHP... ), he will need time to learn how your team works. Granted, if he then makes suggestions your team should probably listen intently :). For entry and junior level positions, look for candidates that are good at technology and learning, then give them room to grow into the specific position. You need that anyway because your environment *is* different. For senior positions, find those who know the field, then see if you think they can become the expert you need. The most likely reason we're looking is to do something new :). Also, please cross-train so when someone does leave the rest of the team isn't left with huge gaps in knowledge and experience! ciao, der.hans Nathan On 2015-07-22 10:45, Keith Smith wrote: Hi, I posted for an entry level LAMP developer a week or so ago figuring I would find a number of people wanting to break into LAMP development. What I received was a lackluster response. I was offering $22/hr 1099 with the potential to bill 40 hours a week. I figured by the time that person pays for health insurance figured at $250/mo, pays he self employment tax, and takes some vacation time and holiday time off, this compensation would be about $18 an hour W2 or $36,000 a year. Here is the contract description: I am looking for an entry level LAMP developer. Would like someone with entry level PHP skills and entry level Linux skills. Stuff like the ability to add a user, add a sudo user, and configure vhosts on apache. I will give directions with examples and they will be working on a development VPS so if they blow it we just spin up another. As for PHP skills if this person knows how to write a MySql connection string and is able to insert, update, delete and list this person could be what I am looking for. This is a maintenance job. This person would need to know some HTML and CSS. jQuery would be a plus. This contract could last as long as 2 or 3 years. At that point we would need to either up the compensation or understand when this person takes off for other opportunities. Is the compensation fair? Any ideas why I received such a lukewarm response? Your feedback is much appreciated. Keith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: O/T : Looking for an entry level LAMP developer for contract work.
For all of the weirdness in the Pearson hiring process the Hiring Manager writes the requirements in full for any posting. Not HR or whomever. On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:46 AM, David Schwartz wrote: > The current process of matching resumes with job reqs passed from managers > to HR to recruiters / web sites to developers and back is totally broken. > > We have hiring managers on one end who have been out of the loop for a > while and don’t seem to understand a lot of the tech used by the people > they manage. > > They write a job req and give it to HR. > > The HR people are handling job reqs for the entire company and tend to not > be very well-versed in tech either. They “polish up” the ads a bit then > post them online. > > Recruiters get hold of them and tweak them a bit. > > Then actual devs read them and cannot figure out why a job looking for a > “programmer” requires 3+ years working with the entire Adobe Creative Suite > including Photoshop and Fireworks, and why they say they’re building a CMS > but there’s no requirement for any database experience. > > So someone perfectly suited for the job responds and gets rejected because > they don’t have the requisite “design” expertise. > > Last week I saw a job req for a junior web developer that requires, > “extensive experience with Adobe Creative Suite, php, perl, python, MySQL > (including stored procs), database design and administration, Apache, > TomCat, and HTML5/CSS3." > > There was a position on Dice looking for “a minimum of 5 years of > demonstrable experience writing apps in Swift”. > > I got an email from a recruiter last week (a young woman who probably > recently left a phone sales job with AmEx or Vanguard) who said, “I’ve got > a requirement for someone with extensive C++ programming experience, > including OOA and OOD. I don’t see a lot of people with OOA and OOD > experience listed in their resume, so you probably have a really great shot > at this position!” [never heard back] > > Job req stated: “Java experience helpful”. Me: “What version of Java are > they using?” Recruiter: “They just said Java. Does it matter what version?” > > Recruiter: “I see you have some php experience in your background. We have > a web developer position that I think you’d be a great fit for.” Me: “Do > they require any graphic arts or visual design experience?” Recruiter: “No, > they don’t mention that.” Job req: “Requires: 5+ years Adobe Creative > Suite, including Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, etc.” > > Job req: “We’re looking for a seasoned senior devleoper with 10+ years of > C++ expertise.” Recruiter: “They’re looking for someone with recent C++ > experience; you haven’t worked with it in several years.” Me: “What version > of C++ are they using?” Recruiter: “It doesn’t say…” Next day: “I checked > with the manager and he said they’re using C++99.” Me: “I worked with that > version for quite a while.” Recruiter: “I’m sorry, they really want someone > with recent experience.” > > HR: “We’re looking for someone with experience in Java, specifically > lambdas and closures.” Me: “So you’re using Java 8?” HR: “No, this is for a > Java 6 role. But you have to have experience with lambdas and closures. I > don’t see that on your resume.” [Lambdas and closures are mostly new to > Java 8, and not present in Java 6.] > > My question: How in the hell does anybody get hired ANYWHERE without flat > out LYING about stuff on their resume? > > Everybody is hiring for experience with the latest tooks and buzzwords. > Nobody cares that you’ve got 10+ years of OOA/OOD/OOP expertise if you > cannot write code in the latest language du jour with your eyes closed. > They prefer college kids with no depth of experience but one semester of > some language over senior people with tons of experience and nothing as > current as the college kid has. And from what I can tell, I could spend the > next two years working with everything under the sun on my own, and nobody > will give a rip because I have no “on the job experience” with any of it. > > It’s really messed up. When I go to job fairs there are mostly foreigners > and older folks. And recruiters basically admitting that nobody is hiring > into junior roles to learn new stuff except college grads. Everybody says > they want to hire someone who can “hit the ground running”, which makes no > sense to me because I’ve never had a job where I didn’t have to spend > several weeks (if not months) learning their software apps first (mostly by > reading the code b/c they don’t like their devs wasting time writing > documentation). > > -David > > > > > On Jul 22, 2015, at 10:40 PM, der.hans wrote: > > > > Am 22. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Nathan England so: > > > > moin moin, > > > >> The company I currently work for has 3 developer position openings and > in 4 months we've had only two candidates apply. That seems to me a real > need for developers. Either that or the job description is too complicated > for them to get past.
Re: O/T : Looking for an entry level LAMP developer for contract work.
The amount of Truth in this is daunting. On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:40 PM, der.hans wrote: > Am 22. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Nathan England so: > > moin moin, > > The company I currently work for has 3 developer position openings and in >> 4 months we've had only two candidates apply. That seems to me a real need >> for developers. Either that or the job description is too complicated for >> them to get past. >> > > ( None of this is pointing at any specific person or company, it just > seems like the best place in the thread to mention it. ) > > There's an open secret about tech unemployment, it's been really low for > years, even when general unemployment was really high. > > Due to this apparently being a secret, we get job descriptions that list > every technology someone can cut and paste from Internet search results. > > But, since tech unemployment is actually low, it's hard to find candidates. > > In tech we're also usually looking for specialists. Do welding companies > ask for someone expert in one particular welder? Are there dozens of > brands of welders to choose from such that skills ( from the viewpoint of > HR ) don't transfer to another brand of welder? Sorry, you only know java > welders... > > So, we have a lack of candidates because people have jobs and don't > need to look around and also because job descriptions are searching for > unrealistic lists of skills while simultaneously focusing on narrow > fields. > > Then, when candidates do appear, many get overlooked due to the narrow > field view or lack of buzzwork bingo on their resumes. The habitually > unemployed or new to the field seem are really up against heavy odds, even > in the low unemployment state we've been in for years. > > Even an expert will have a learning curve to learn how your environment > does it. The example I like to give is that if you hire Larry Wall to join > your Perl team ( or Guido von Rossum for Python or Rasmus Lerdorf for > PHP... ), he will need time to learn how your team works. Granted, if he > then makes suggestions your team should probably listen intently :). > > For entry and junior level positions, look for candidates that are good at > technology and learning, then give them room to grow into the specific > position. You need that anyway because your environment *is* different. > > For senior positions, find those who know the field, then see if you think > they can become the expert you need. The most likely reason we're looking > is to do something new :). > > Also, please cross-train so when someone does leave the rest of the team > isn't left with huge gaps in knowledge and experience! > > ciao, > > der.hans > > Nathan >> >> On 2015-07-22 10:45, Keith Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I posted for an entry level LAMP developer a week or so ago figuring I >>> would find a number of people wanting to break into LAMP development. >>> What I received was a lackluster response. I was offering $22/hr 1099 >>> with the potential to bill 40 hours a week. I figured by the time >>> that person pays for health insurance figured at $250/mo, pays he self >>> employment tax, and takes some vacation time and holiday time off, >>> this compensation would be about $18 an hour W2 or $36,000 a year. >>> >>> Here is the contract description: >>> >>> I am looking for an entry level LAMP developer. Would like someone >>> with entry level PHP skills and entry level Linux skills. Stuff like >>> the ability to add a user, add a sudo user, and configure vhosts on >>> apache. I will give directions with examples and they will be working >>> on a development VPS so if they blow it we just spin up another. As >>> for PHP skills if this person knows how to write a MySql connection >>> string and is able to insert, update, delete and list this person >>> could be what I am looking for. This is a maintenance job. This >>> person would need to know some HTML and CSS. jQuery would be a plus. >>> >>> This contract could last as long as 2 or 3 years. At that point we >>> would need to either up the compensation or understand when this >>> person takes off for other opportunities. >>> >>> Is the compensation fair? Any ideas why I received such a lukewarm >>> response? >>> >>> >>> Your feedback is much appreciated. >>> >>> Keith >>> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> > -- > # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.PhxLinux.org/ > # Don't step in front of speeding cars, don't eat explosives > # and don't use m$ LookOut :). - der.hans > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- A mouse trap, placed on to
Re: O/T : Looking for an entry level LAMP developer for contract work.
The current process of matching resumes with job reqs passed from managers to HR to recruiters / web sites to developers and back is totally broken. We have hiring managers on one end who have been out of the loop for a while and don’t seem to understand a lot of the tech used by the people they manage. They write a job req and give it to HR. The HR people are handling job reqs for the entire company and tend to not be very well-versed in tech either. They “polish up” the ads a bit then post them online. Recruiters get hold of them and tweak them a bit. Then actual devs read them and cannot figure out why a job looking for a “programmer” requires 3+ years working with the entire Adobe Creative Suite including Photoshop and Fireworks, and why they say they’re building a CMS but there’s no requirement for any database experience. So someone perfectly suited for the job responds and gets rejected because they don’t have the requisite “design” expertise. Last week I saw a job req for a junior web developer that requires, “extensive experience with Adobe Creative Suite, php, perl, python, MySQL (including stored procs), database design and administration, Apache, TomCat, and HTML5/CSS3." There was a position on Dice looking for “a minimum of 5 years of demonstrable experience writing apps in Swift”. I got an email from a recruiter last week (a young woman who probably recently left a phone sales job with AmEx or Vanguard) who said, “I’ve got a requirement for someone with extensive C++ programming experience, including OOA and OOD. I don’t see a lot of people with OOA and OOD experience listed in their resume, so you probably have a really great shot at this position!” [never heard back] Job req stated: “Java experience helpful”. Me: “What version of Java are they using?” Recruiter: “They just said Java. Does it matter what version?” Recruiter: “I see you have some php experience in your background. We have a web developer position that I think you’d be a great fit for.” Me: “Do they require any graphic arts or visual design experience?” Recruiter: “No, they don’t mention that.” Job req: “Requires: 5+ years Adobe Creative Suite, including Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, etc.” Job req: “We’re looking for a seasoned senior devleoper with 10+ years of C++ expertise.” Recruiter: “They’re looking for someone with recent C++ experience; you haven’t worked with it in several years.” Me: “What version of C++ are they using?” Recruiter: “It doesn’t say…” Next day: “I checked with the manager and he said they’re using C++99.” Me: “I worked with that version for quite a while.” Recruiter: “I’m sorry, they really want someone with recent experience.” HR: “We’re looking for someone with experience in Java, specifically lambdas and closures.” Me: “So you’re using Java 8?” HR: “No, this is for a Java 6 role. But you have to have experience with lambdas and closures. I don’t see that on your resume.” [Lambdas and closures are mostly new to Java 8, and not present in Java 6.] My question: How in the hell does anybody get hired ANYWHERE without flat out LYING about stuff on their resume? Everybody is hiring for experience with the latest tooks and buzzwords. Nobody cares that you’ve got 10+ years of OOA/OOD/OOP expertise if you cannot write code in the latest language du jour with your eyes closed. They prefer college kids with no depth of experience but one semester of some language over senior people with tons of experience and nothing as current as the college kid has. And from what I can tell, I could spend the next two years working with everything under the sun on my own, and nobody will give a rip because I have no “on the job experience” with any of it. It’s really messed up. When I go to job fairs there are mostly foreigners and older folks. And recruiters basically admitting that nobody is hiring into junior roles to learn new stuff except college grads. Everybody says they want to hire someone who can “hit the ground running”, which makes no sense to me because I’ve never had a job where I didn’t have to spend several weeks (if not months) learning their software apps first (mostly by reading the code b/c they don’t like their devs wasting time writing documentation). -David > On Jul 22, 2015, at 10:40 PM, der.hans wrote: > > Am 22. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Nathan England so: > > moin moin, > >> The company I currently work for has 3 developer position openings and in 4 >> months we've had only two candidates apply. That seems to me a real need for >> developers. Either that or the job description is too complicated for them >> to get past. > > ( None of this is pointing at any specific person or company, it just > seems like the best place in the thread to mention it. ) > > There's an open secret about tech unemployment, it's been really low for > years, even when general unemployment was really high. > > Due to this apparently being a secret,