Re: suggestions for good wiki?

2015-07-23 Thread Ed
I like Semantic-Mediawiki[1] but plain old Mediawiki[2] might work for
you. If you are in a dev environment, the included wiki in Trac[3] is
very good.

[1] https://semantic-mediawiki.org
[2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki
[3] http://trac.edgewall.org/

A great commercial wiki is Confluence -
https://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/

For real document management look at Alfresco - great M$, email & docs
integration - https://www.alfresco.com/   and
https://www.alfresco.com/products/community/download

Ed

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Sesso  wrote:
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> On Jul 23, 2015, at 9:39 AM, JD Austin  wrote:
>
> Not something I've set up but there seems to be a lot of them:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wikis
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_software
>
>
>
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> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 8:06 AM, rustyca...@descomp.com
>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm about to pull my hair out (and I don't have a LOT to spare!).
>>
>> I'm trying to find something with:
>>
>> - better search capabilities than TWiki
>> - better table and post editing than Horde
>> - ability to store files in the wiki, especially with drag-and-drop.
>>
>> Things that would be nice:
>>
>> - Ability to put my (archived) email into it and search it for stuff.
>>
>> Clients run Windows almost exclusively.  Server is Linux Mint 17
>>
>> Twiki is nice on the editing front, but the search capability STINKS
>> badly.
>> TikiWiki looked good, but had bad... um, editing?  Search?  I don't
>> remember now.
>>
>> Purpose:
>>
>> Primarily to allow us to 'remember' things we've learned or know in a way
>> that everyone can find and thus 'remember' those same things.
>>
>> There may be some amount of 'discussion' in the wiki as well, for example
>> we've got something we're going to be designing that we're writing
>> requirements for using the wiki...
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
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Re: Buying hardware cheep

2015-07-23 Thread David Schwartz
Actually, since you brought this up …

A couple of years ago, I picked up a killer deal on an Asus laptop at Best Buy 
just as Windows 8 was being released.

Seems retailers all over were flushing out stock of everything that had Windows 
7 installed.

So this might simply be an indicator that they’re doing the same thing right 
now, as Windows 10 is due to ship the 29th — next Wednesday.

If it works the same as last time, they don’t want retailers to have ANY 
machines out for sale that don’t have Windows 10 installed already.

So keep your eyes out for deals all over the place for the next week, 
especailly this weekend.

The laptop I got was a refurbished item that I think cost me $189. The full 
retail price on them was around $400.

-David "The Tool Wiz" Schwartz



> On Jul 23, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Keith Smith  wrote:
> 
> 
> I only buy when I can get a really good deal.  I own this exact laptop as 
> does my wife.  I run Mint on mine.  I wish I would have gotten this good of a 
> deal.  I got a deal, however not this good.
> 
> http://www.staples.com/Dell-Inspiron-Laptop-156-500GB-Hard-Drive-4GB-Memory-Intel-i3/product_1075790?cid=BNR:CORP:8689192:1037702:117501376:290360272:0
> 
> Deals like this do not come along often.
> 
> 
> -- 
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Re: O/T : Looking for an entry level LAMP developer for contract work.

2015-07-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 07:23:13 -0700
Keith Smith  wrote:

> 
> der.hans, is there a solution to this and if so what is it? Great
> piece by the way.

By "this", I assume you mean the ridiculous job requirements
discussed by der.hans and David Schwartz. And I'd like to point out one
very telling item in David Schwartz' post:

===
My question: How in the hell does anybody get hired ANYWHERE without
flat out LYING about stuff on their resume?
===

David's question gets right to the meat of the matter, and I think
every job seeker needs to consider how "honest" s/he wants to be, and
the cost of his/her honesty. Because I'm as sure as I can be without
conducting a statistically valid study that in most cases, the
successful candidate stretched the truth quite hard, or else s/he did
an end run around HR by knowing or meeting someone.

If you are totally truthful in a situation with unfulfillable
requirements, who gains? The employer? Probably not: Likely as not the
successful candidate is not as productive as you (assuming the job
is something you can really do, and you usually know).

So, as a prospective employee, one way to "solve" this is to make the
truth a little maleable.

Sometimes you can add some truth to your resume with Rapid Learning. I
sell books on the subject.

Another way is to be a freelance hired gun. That's what I used to do.
I'd walk in, get some requirements, agree on an hourly rate, and deliver
something that worked plausibly in a day or two. Then I'd keep
improving it according to the client's needs. HR doesn't deal with
vendors, and if you're a freelance hired gun, you're a vendor who gets
to talk to the project's principals.

Speaking of principals, working for small businesses often gets you
right in to see the person who signs the check and the person
supervising you, and it's often the same person. Now that preexisting
conditions in health insurance are a thing of the past, working for
small companies is doable even if you or someone in the family has
diabetes etc.

If you're an employer, you need to evaluate the true cost of "hit the
ground running", because you're likely to pay top dollar for a
disppointing employee who likely will hit the ground crawling, or
perhaps pay a little less for a slave-labor H1-B whose main value is
cost. If you want a budding rock star who's happy to give his all for
$22/hr, frequent community colleges, user groups, and the like. Find
the right candidate, test the heck out of him/her, then when you've
decided, tell HR to make the hire. Does it take work? You'd better
believe it. Does it pay off? You bet it does: I once hired a dirt cheap
guy who was very productive, I mentored him, and he blossemed quickly.
And there were more where he came from, although I would have had to go
up a smidge in salary (but still cheap).

There are ways to solve it, but they all depend on the technologically
supervisor guiding the search, and HR rubber stamping it. And sometimes
HR just doesn't like that.

SteveT

Steve Litt 
July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century
http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21
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Buying hardware cheep

2015-07-23 Thread Keith Smith


I only buy when I can get a really good deal.  I own this exact laptop 
as does my wife.  I run Mint on mine.  I wish I would have gotten this 
good of a deal.  I got a deal, however not this good.


http://www.staples.com/Dell-Inspiron-Laptop-156-500GB-Hard-Drive-4GB-Memory-Intel-i3/product_1075790?cid=BNR:CORP:8689192:1037702:117501376:290360272:0

Deals like this do not come along often.


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Re: suggestions for good wiki?

2015-07-23 Thread Sesso
We use samepage.io

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2015, at 9:39 AM, JD Austin  wrote:
> 
> Not something I've set up but there seems to be a lot of them:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wikis
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_software
> 
> 
> 
> -- JD Austin
> Voice: 480.269.4335 (480 2MY Geek)
> j...@twingeckos.com
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 8:06 AM, rustyca...@descomp.com 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> I'm about to pull my hair out (and I don't have a LOT to spare!).
>> 
>> I'm trying to find something with:
>> 
>> - better search capabilities than TWiki
>> - better table and post editing than Horde 
>> - ability to store files in the wiki, especially with drag-and-drop.
>> 
>> Things that would be nice:
>> 
>> - Ability to put my (archived) email into it and search it for stuff.
>> 
>> Clients run Windows almost exclusively.  Server is Linux Mint 17
>> 
>> Twiki is nice on the editing front, but the search capability STINKS badly.
>> TikiWiki looked good, but had bad... um, editing?  Search?  I don't remember 
>> now.
>> 
>> Purpose:
>> 
>> Primarily to allow us to 'remember' things we've learned or know in a way 
>> that everyone can find and thus 'remember' those same things.
>> 
>> There may be some amount of 'discussion' in the wiki as well, for example 
>> we've got something we're going to be designing that we're writing 
>> requirements for using the wiki...
>> 
>> Any suggestions?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
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Re: suggestions for good wiki?

2015-07-23 Thread JD Austin
Not something I've set up but there seems to be a lot of them:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wikis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_software



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On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 8:06 AM, rustyca...@descomp.com <
rustyca...@descomp.com> wrote:

>
>
> I'm about to pull my hair out (and I don't have a LOT to spare!).
>
> I'm trying to find something with:
>
> - better search capabilities than TWiki
> - better table and post editing than Horde
> - ability to store files in the wiki, especially with drag-and-drop.
>
> Things that would be nice:
>
> - Ability to put my (archived) email into it and search it for stuff.
>
> Clients run Windows almost exclusively.  Server is Linux Mint 17
>
> Twiki is nice on the editing front, but the search capability STINKS badly.
> TikiWiki looked good, but had bad... um, editing?  Search?  I don't remember 
> now.
>
> Purpose:
>
> Primarily to allow us to 'remember' things we've learned or know in a way 
> that everyone can find and thus 'remember' those same things.
>
> There may be some amount of 'discussion' in the wiki as well, for example 
> we've got something we're going to be designing that we're writing 
> requirements for using the wiki...
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
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Fwd: suggestions for good wiki?

2015-07-23 Thread rustyca...@descomp.com
 
I'm about to pull my hair out (and I don't have a LOT to spare!).

I'm trying to find something with:

- better search capabilities than TWiki
- better table and post editing than Horde 
- ability to store files in the wiki, especially with drag-and-drop.

Things that would be nice:

- Ability to put my (archived) email into it and search it for stuff.

Clients run Windows almost exclusively.  Server is Linux Mint 17

Twiki is nice on the editing front, but the search capability STINKS badly.
TikiWiki looked good, but had bad... um, editing?  Search?  I don't remember now.

Purpose:

Primarily to allow us to 'remember' things we've learned or know in a way that everyone can find and thus 'remember' those same things.

There may be some amount of 'discussion' in the wiki as well, for example we've got something we're going to be designing that we're writing requirements for using the wiki...

Any suggestions?

Thanks!


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Re: LVM and raid

2015-07-23 Thread Stephen Partington
A couple of things i have set up for. The initital install is on LVM
already so most of that was in place (including /) and i have no data on
this. so if it wrecked its only an install away to start over.

But this is a good start for some reading, thank you!

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Matt Graham  wrote:

> On 2015-07-21 13:28, Stephen Partington wrote:
>
>> Ubuntu 15.04 installed and am looking to find out if there is a way
>> to migrate to raid on a running system.
>>
>> In theory i should be able to do this by creating a degraded portion
>> of the raid volume on the empty disk, extend/move my LVM to that disk
>> then rebuild the original disk as part of that raid volume.
>>
>
> This is a softRAID-1, right?  That makes the most sense for what you've
> said.
>
>  I was wondering if anyone had some documentation of information i
>> could read about this scenario.
>>
>
> I did something like this when I moved my stuff from just 1 disk on
> regular partitions to softRAID-1.  First, back up all your junk, because
> there are multiple points in this where you could scribble all over your
> disks.  Second, make sure you have a LiveCD or LiveUSB disk to boot from if
> the bootloader goes wonky.
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Complete_Handbook/Software_RAID should be
> pretty applicable to working with softRAID and applicable to distros that
> are not Gentoo.
>
> You'd first take the new disk and partition it.  I would think you'd need
> at least 2 partitions since having /boot on LVM is not going to work, and
> possibly 3 because having / on LVM has more fiddly bits than having it on a
> regular partition.
>
> So, fdisk /dev/sdb , set it up with 2 or 3 partitions (whichever), and
> then set up the RAID.  This'll assume that your largest partition (the one
> that'll be your PV) is /dev/sdb2 .  You'd then do
>
> mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb2 missing
>
> This'll set up an array in degraded mode on /dev/md0.  You'd then pvcreate
> /dev/md0 , then vgextend $VG_NAME /dev/md0 , then pvmove
> /dev/$OLD_PV_LOCATION .  Then vgreduce $VG_NAME /dev/$OLD_PV_LOCATION  and
> pvremove /dev/$OLD_PV_LOCATION to remove the old PV from lvm's config.
> Then you'd add the old PV back to the md0 with mdadm /dev/md0 --add
> /dev/$OLD_PV_LOCATION .  The disk sync will probably take a while.
>
> You'll have to set things up so that the bootloader can figure everything
> out.  Are you going to put / on LVM?  That requires that the initrd have
> all the LVM tools on it.  I don't know if Ubuntu can handle that
> automatically or not--I would guess so, but ICBW.
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Re: LVM and raid

2015-07-23 Thread Matt Graham

On 2015-07-21 13:28, Stephen Partington wrote:

Ubuntu 15.04 installed and am looking to find out if there is a way
to migrate to raid on a running system.

In theory i should be able to do this by creating a degraded portion
of the raid volume on the empty disk, extend/move my LVM to that disk
then rebuild the original disk as part of that raid volume.


This is a softRAID-1, right?  That makes the most sense for what you've 
said.



I was wondering if anyone had some documentation of information i
could read about this scenario.


I did something like this when I moved my stuff from just 1 disk on 
regular partitions to softRAID-1.  First, back up all your junk, because 
there are multiple points in this where you could scribble all over your 
disks.  Second, make sure you have a LiveCD or LiveUSB disk to boot from 
if the bootloader goes wonky.  
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Complete_Handbook/Software_RAID should be 
pretty applicable to working with softRAID and applicable to distros 
that are not Gentoo.


You'd first take the new disk and partition it.  I would think you'd 
need at least 2 partitions since having /boot on LVM is not going to 
work, and possibly 3 because having / on LVM has more fiddly bits than 
having it on a regular partition.


So, fdisk /dev/sdb , set it up with 2 or 3 partitions (whichever), and 
then set up the RAID.  This'll assume that your largest partition (the 
one that'll be your PV) is /dev/sdb2 .  You'd then do


mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb2 missing

This'll set up an array in degraded mode on /dev/md0.  You'd then 
pvcreate /dev/md0 , then vgextend $VG_NAME /dev/md0 , then pvmove 
/dev/$OLD_PV_LOCATION .  Then vgreduce $VG_NAME /dev/$OLD_PV_LOCATION  
and pvremove /dev/$OLD_PV_LOCATION to remove the old PV from lvm's 
config.  Then you'd add the old PV back to the md0 with mdadm /dev/md0 
--add /dev/$OLD_PV_LOCATION .  The disk sync will probably take a while.


You'll have to set things up so that the bootloader can figure 
everything out.  Are you going to put / on LVM?  That requires that the 
initrd have all the LVM tools on it.  I don't know if Ubuntu can handle 
that automatically or not--I would guess so, but ICBW.


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Re: O/T : Looking for an entry level LAMP developer for contract work.

2015-07-23 Thread Michael Butash

On 07/23/2015 06:46 AM, David Schwartz wrote:

My question: How in the hell does anybody get hired ANYWHERE without flat out 
LYING about stuff on their resume?
Resume gets you a call and sort of the foot in the door from internal or 
external recruiters.  Problem is 3rd party recruiters, most all suck.  
As you state, they amount to slightly better than call-center level 
outbound dialing from keyword searches, most in town I save their 
numbers and simply block.  It's lucrative, 15-30% sometimes they'll make 
off your salary if they place you, so better than discover card collections.


I will only deal with a few recruiters I know that when they call me 
it's actually something I do and know it'll be at a rate I want.  If you 
want the job they call for, consider it an exercise in social engineering.


From there, make sure you're actually suited to get the job when going 
for an interview.

Everybody is hiring for experience with the latest tooks and buzzwords.
It's the same for me in networking, so I pepper them into resumes and 
such.  SDN (software-defined networking) is one of those, everyone reads 
about out, wants it, yet really don't know what what it does yet.  Very 
few use it, nowhere near purported capabilities, and only in specific 
use cases, but they still want it.  So I read about various products, 
know the hardware integration points, and sound like I know what I'm 
doing if people ask.


When you can show you know at least as much as they do about it, which 
is usually little, you can both laugh that no one really uses it yet 
anyways and move on what kind of mess they have waiting for you to fix.

It’s really messed up. When I go to job fairs there are mostly foreigners and 
older folks. And recruiters basically admitting that nobody is hiring into 
junior roles to learn new stuff except college grads. Everybody says they want 
to hire someone who can “hit the ground running”, which makes no sense to me 
because I’ve never had a job where I didn’t have to spend several weeks (if not 
months) learning their software apps first (mostly by reading the code b/c they 
don’t like their devs wasting time writing documentation).
I do mostly consulting, and I've had those moments you show up, and they 
expect you to know everything instantly, and fix something wrong within 
the next hour.  Those are sort of fun, but not a way you want to start a 
long-term job.


I'd presume that really just amounts to "we code in x here, you do know 
x correct?".  If they throw you some tidbit of work to fix something, 
you don't need to spend the next month learning that task.

-David



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Re: O/T : Looking for an entry level LAMP developer for contract work.

2015-07-23 Thread Keith Smith


Yours and der.hans' post compliment each other.  Add in what Nathan said 
about his organization having several openings makes me wonder if being 
independent has more value than we might think.  And if corporate 
America is willing to contract in place of hire.


I think everyone should read 
http://www.amazon.com/Purple-Cow-New-Edition-Remarkable-Includes/dp/1591843170 
, find their niche and go for it.


I wonder if part of the cause is high turn over.  I understand the 
average American stays at a job 2 to 3 years.  If this is the case in 
the tech world, I can see why no one is willing to train or coach 
someone.


Sure makes sense to me to hire someone with C++ experience for a Java 
position -- if they are going to stay for 5 or 6 years.


Recruiting, hiring, and training is a very painful process and cost lots 
in time and money.


So to summarize There is a shortage, possibly created by a broken 
hiring system, and no one can get hired Ok,  I feel better now.





On 2015-07-23 06:46, David Schwartz wrote:

The current process of matching resumes with job reqs passed from
managers to HR to recruiters / web sites to developers and back is
totally broken.

We have hiring managers on one end who have been out of the loop for a
while and don’t seem to understand a lot of the tech used by the
people they manage.

They write a job req and give it to HR.

The HR people are handling job reqs for the entire company and tend to
not be very well-versed in tech either. They “polish up” the ads a bit
then post them online.

Recruiters get hold of them and tweak them a bit.

Then actual devs read them and cannot figure out why a job looking for
a “programmer” requires 3+ years working with the entire Adobe
Creative Suite including Photoshop and Fireworks, and why they say
they’re building a CMS but there’s no requirement for any database
experience.

So someone perfectly suited for the job responds and gets rejected
because they don’t have the requisite “design” expertise.

Last week I saw a job req for a junior web developer that requires,
“extensive experience with Adobe Creative Suite, php, perl, python,
MySQL (including stored procs), database design and administration,
Apache, TomCat, and HTML5/CSS3."

There was a position on Dice looking for “a minimum of 5 years of
demonstrable experience writing apps in Swift”.

I got an email from a recruiter last week (a young woman who probably
recently left a phone sales job with AmEx or Vanguard) who said, “I’ve
got a requirement for someone with extensive C++ programming
experience, including OOA and OOD. I don’t see a lot of people with
OOA and OOD experience listed in their resume, so you probably have a
really great shot at this position!” [never heard back]

Job req stated: “Java experience helpful”.  Me: “What version of Java
are they using?” Recruiter: “They just said Java. Does it matter what
version?”

Recruiter: “I see you have some php experience in your background. We
have a web developer position that I think you’d be a great fit for.”
Me: “Do they require any graphic arts or visual design experience?”
Recruiter: “No, they don’t mention that.” Job req: “Requires: 5+ years
Adobe Creative Suite, including Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Fireworks,
etc.”

Job req: “We’re looking for a seasoned senior devleoper with 10+ years
of C++ expertise.” Recruiter: “They’re looking for someone with recent
C++ experience; you haven’t worked with it in several years.” Me:
“What version of C++ are they using?” Recruiter: “It doesn’t say…”
Next day: “I checked with the manager and he said they’re using
C++99.” Me: “I worked with that version for quite a while.” Recruiter:
“I’m sorry, they really want someone with recent experience.”

HR: “We’re looking for someone with experience in Java, specifically
lambdas and closures.” Me: “So you’re using Java 8?” HR: “No, this is
for a Java 6 role. But you have to have experience with lambdas and
closures. I don’t see that on your resume.” [Lambdas and closures are
mostly new to Java 8, and not present in Java 6.]

My question: How in the hell does anybody get hired ANYWHERE without
flat out LYING about stuff on their resume?

Everybody is hiring for experience with the latest tooks and
buzzwords. Nobody cares that you’ve got 10+ years of OOA/OOD/OOP
expertise if you cannot write code in the latest language du jour with
your eyes closed. They prefer college kids with no depth of experience
but one semester of some language over senior people with tons of
experience and nothing as current as the college kid has. And from
what I can tell, I could spend the next two years working with
everything under the sun on my own, and nobody will give a rip because
I have no “on the job experience” with any of it.

It’s really messed up. When I go to job fairs there are mostly
foreigners and older folks. And recruiters basically admitting that
nobody is hiring into junior roles to learn new stuff except college
grads. Everybody says they wan

Re: O/T : Looking for an entry level LAMP developer for contract work.

2015-07-23 Thread Keith Smith


David,

You always have great insight into the tech community.

Keith


On 2015-07-23 06:46, David Schwartz wrote:

The current process of matching resumes with job reqs passed from
managers to HR to recruiters / web sites to developers and back is
totally broken.

We have hiring managers on one end who have been out of the loop for a
while and don’t seem to understand a lot of the tech used by the
people they manage.

They write a job req and give it to HR.

The HR people are handling job reqs for the entire company and tend to
not be very well-versed in tech either. They “polish up” the ads a bit
then post them online.

Recruiters get hold of them and tweak them a bit.

Then actual devs read them and cannot figure out why a job looking for
a “programmer” requires 3+ years working with the entire Adobe
Creative Suite including Photoshop and Fireworks, and why they say
they’re building a CMS but there’s no requirement for any database
experience.

So someone perfectly suited for the job responds and gets rejected
because they don’t have the requisite “design” expertise.

Last week I saw a job req for a junior web developer that requires,
“extensive experience with Adobe Creative Suite, php, perl, python,
MySQL (including stored procs), database design and administration,
Apache, TomCat, and HTML5/CSS3."

There was a position on Dice looking for “a minimum of 5 years of
demonstrable experience writing apps in Swift”.

I got an email from a recruiter last week (a young woman who probably
recently left a phone sales job with AmEx or Vanguard) who said, “I’ve
got a requirement for someone with extensive C++ programming
experience, including OOA and OOD. I don’t see a lot of people with
OOA and OOD experience listed in their resume, so you probably have a
really great shot at this position!” [never heard back]

Job req stated: “Java experience helpful”.  Me: “What version of Java
are they using?” Recruiter: “They just said Java. Does it matter what
version?”

Recruiter: “I see you have some php experience in your background. We
have a web developer position that I think you’d be a great fit for.”
Me: “Do they require any graphic arts or visual design experience?”
Recruiter: “No, they don’t mention that.” Job req: “Requires: 5+ years
Adobe Creative Suite, including Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Fireworks,
etc.”

Job req: “We’re looking for a seasoned senior devleoper with 10+ years
of C++ expertise.” Recruiter: “They’re looking for someone with recent
C++ experience; you haven’t worked with it in several years.” Me:
“What version of C++ are they using?” Recruiter: “It doesn’t say…”
Next day: “I checked with the manager and he said they’re using
C++99.” Me: “I worked with that version for quite a while.” Recruiter:
“I’m sorry, they really want someone with recent experience.”

HR: “We’re looking for someone with experience in Java, specifically
lambdas and closures.” Me: “So you’re using Java 8?” HR: “No, this is
for a Java 6 role. But you have to have experience with lambdas and
closures. I don’t see that on your resume.” [Lambdas and closures are
mostly new to Java 8, and not present in Java 6.]

My question: How in the hell does anybody get hired ANYWHERE without
flat out LYING about stuff on their resume?

Everybody is hiring for experience with the latest tooks and
buzzwords. Nobody cares that you’ve got 10+ years of OOA/OOD/OOP
expertise if you cannot write code in the latest language du jour with
your eyes closed. They prefer college kids with no depth of experience
but one semester of some language over senior people with tons of
experience and nothing as current as the college kid has. And from
what I can tell, I could spend the next two years working with
everything under the sun on my own, and nobody will give a rip because
I have no “on the job experience” with any of it.

It’s really messed up. When I go to job fairs there are mostly
foreigners and older folks. And recruiters basically admitting that
nobody is hiring into junior roles to learn new stuff except college
grads. Everybody says they want to hire someone who can “hit the
ground running”, which makes no sense to me because I’ve never had a
job where I didn’t have to spend several weeks (if not months)
learning their software apps first (mostly by reading the code b/c
they don’t like their devs wasting time writing documentation).

-David




On Jul 22, 2015, at 10:40 PM, der.hans  wrote:

Am 22. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Nathan England so:

moin moin,

The company I currently work for has 3 developer position openings 
and in 4 months we've had only two candidates apply. That seems to me 
a real need for developers. Either that or the job description is too 
complicated for them to get past.


( None of this is pointing at any specific person or company, it just
seems like the best place in the thread to mention it. )

There's an open secret about tech unemployment, it's been really low 
for

years, even when general unemployment was really high.

Du

Re: O/T : Looking for an entry level LAMP developer for contract work.

2015-07-23 Thread Keith Smith

On 2015-07-22 22:57, der.hans wrote:

Am 22. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Keith Smith so:

moin moin,

first off, job listings from PLUG members are not OT. We want people to
get jobs. We want Free Software jobs to find good candidates.


Good to know.



Job listings from drive by recruiters is spam, but most of the 
recuiters
we've run into over the years have either participated in the group or 
at

least asked politely if they can post something.

Second, I just forwarded this to a few people. Sorry for the delay, I
thought I sent it out after the original post, but my sent-mail claims
that I did not.



Appreciate you doing so.


ciao,

der.hans


Hi,

I posted for an entry level LAMP developer a week or so ago figuring I 
would find a number of people wanting to break into LAMP development.  
What I received was a lackluster response.  I was offering $22/hr 1099 
with the potential to bill 40 hours a week.  I figured by the time 
that person pays for health insurance figured at $250/mo, pays he self 
employment tax, and takes some vacation time and holiday time off, 
this compensation would be about $18 an hour W2 or $36,000 a year.


Here is the contract description:

I am looking for an entry level LAMP developer.  Would like someone 
with entry level PHP skills and entry level Linux skills.  Stuff like 
the ability to add a user, add a sudo user, and configure vhosts on 
apache.  I will give directions with examples and they will be working 
on a development VPS so if they blow it we just spin up another.  As 
for PHP skills if this person knows how to write a MySql connection 
string and is able to insert, update, delete and list this person 
could be what I am looking for.  This is a maintenance job.   This 
person would need to know some HTML and CSS.  jQuery would be a plus.


This contract could last as long as 2 or 3 years.  At that point we 
would need to either up the compensation or understand when this 
person takes off for other opportunities.


Is the compensation fair?  Any ideas why I received such a lukewarm 
response?



Your feedback is much appreciated.

Keith





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Re: O/T : Looking for an entry level LAMP developer for contract work.

2015-07-23 Thread Stephen Partington
Well if you are ever involved in the hiring process Take what was presented
in this conversation and make that hiring manager aware of that
information, It will help them hire people they ACTUALLY need. Pass it
along to people in HR and the like. Spread the information.

Be nice to have this posted someplace as a combined article/blog post that
can be readily shared and linked to people that are involved in such things.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Keith Smith 
wrote:

>
> der.hans, is there a solution to this and if so what is it? Great piece by
> the way.
>
>
> On 2015-07-22 22:40, der.hans wrote:
>
>> Am 22. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Nathan England so:
>>
>> moin moin,
>>
>>  The company I currently work for has 3 developer position openings and
>>> in 4 months we've had only two candidates apply. That seems to me a real
>>> need for developers. Either that or the job description is too complicated
>>> for them to get past.
>>>
>>
>> ( None of this is pointing at any specific person or company, it just
>> seems like the best place in the thread to mention it. )
>>
>> There's an open secret about tech unemployment, it's been really low for
>> years, even when general unemployment was really high.
>>
>> Due to this apparently being a secret, we get job descriptions that list
>> every technology someone can cut and paste from Internet search results.
>>
>> But, since tech unemployment is actually low, it's hard to find
>> candidates.
>>
>> In tech we're also usually looking for specialists. Do welding companies
>> ask for someone expert in one particular welder? Are there dozens of
>> brands of welders to choose from such that skills ( from the viewpoint of
>> HR ) don't transfer to another brand of welder? Sorry, you only know java
>> welders...
>>
>> So, we have a lack of candidates because people have jobs and don't
>> need to look around and also because job descriptions are searching for
>> unrealistic lists of skills while simultaneously focusing on narrow
>> fields.
>>
>> Then, when candidates do appear, many get overlooked due to the narrow
>> field view or lack of buzzwork bingo on their resumes. The habitually
>> unemployed or new to the field seem are really up against heavy odds, even
>> in the low unemployment state we've been in for years.
>>
>> Even an expert will have a learning curve to learn how your environment
>> does it. The example I like to give is that if you hire Larry Wall to join
>> your Perl team ( or Guido von Rossum for Python or Rasmus Lerdorf for
>> PHP... ), he will need time to learn how your team works. Granted, if he
>> then makes suggestions your team should probably listen intently :).
>>
>> For entry and junior level positions, look for candidates that are good at
>> technology and learning, then give them room to grow into the specific
>> position. You need that anyway because your environment *is* different.
>>
>> For senior positions, find those who know the field, then see if you think
>> they can become the expert you need. The most likely reason we're looking
>> is to do something new :).
>>
>> Also, please cross-train so when someone does leave the rest of the team
>> isn't left with huge gaps in knowledge and experience!
>>
>> ciao,
>>
>> der.hans
>>
>>  Nathan
>>>
>>> On 2015-07-22 10:45, Keith Smith wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 I posted for an entry level LAMP developer a week or so ago figuring I
 would find a number of people wanting to break into LAMP development.
 What I received was a lackluster response.  I was offering $22/hr 1099
 with the potential to bill 40 hours a week.  I figured by the time
 that person pays for health insurance figured at $250/mo, pays he self
 employment tax, and takes some vacation time and holiday time off,
 this compensation would be about $18 an hour W2 or $36,000 a year.

 Here is the contract description:

 I am looking for an entry level LAMP developer.  Would like someone
 with entry level PHP skills and entry level Linux skills.  Stuff like
 the ability to add a user, add a sudo user, and configure vhosts on
 apache.  I will give directions with examples and they will be working
 on a development VPS so if they blow it we just spin up another.  As
 for PHP skills if this person knows how to write a MySql connection
 string and is able to insert, update, delete and list this person
 could be what I am looking for.  This is a maintenance job.   This
 person would need to know some HTML and CSS.  jQuery would be a plus.

 This contract could last as long as 2 or 3 years.  At that point we
 would need to either up the compensation or understand when this
 person takes off for other opportunities.

 Is the compensation fair?  Any ideas why I received such a lukewarm
 response?


 Your feedback is much appreciated.

 Keith

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Re: O/T : Looking for an entry level LAMP developer for contract work.

2015-07-23 Thread Keith Smith


der.hans, is there a solution to this and if so what is it? Great piece 
by the way.


On 2015-07-22 22:40, der.hans wrote:

Am 22. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Nathan England so:

moin moin,

The company I currently work for has 3 developer position openings and 
in 4 months we've had only two candidates apply. That seems to me a 
real need for developers. Either that or the job description is too 
complicated for them to get past.


( None of this is pointing at any specific person or company, it just
seems like the best place in the thread to mention it. )

There's an open secret about tech unemployment, it's been really low 
for

years, even when general unemployment was really high.

Due to this apparently being a secret, we get job descriptions that 
list
every technology someone can cut and paste from Internet search 
results.


But, since tech unemployment is actually low, it's hard to find 
candidates.


In tech we're also usually looking for specialists. Do welding 
companies

ask for someone expert in one particular welder? Are there dozens of
brands of welders to choose from such that skills ( from the viewpoint 
of
HR ) don't transfer to another brand of welder? Sorry, you only know 
java

welders...

So, we have a lack of candidates because people have jobs and don't
need to look around and also because job descriptions are searching for
unrealistic lists of skills while simultaneously focusing on narrow
fields.

Then, when candidates do appear, many get overlooked due to the narrow
field view or lack of buzzwork bingo on their resumes. The habitually
unemployed or new to the field seem are really up against heavy odds, 
even

in the low unemployment state we've been in for years.

Even an expert will have a learning curve to learn how your environment
does it. The example I like to give is that if you hire Larry Wall to 
join

your Perl team ( or Guido von Rossum for Python or Rasmus Lerdorf for
PHP... ), he will need time to learn how your team works. Granted, if 
he

then makes suggestions your team should probably listen intently :).

For entry and junior level positions, look for candidates that are good 
at

technology and learning, then give them room to grow into the specific
position. You need that anyway because your environment *is* different.

For senior positions, find those who know the field, then see if you 
think
they can become the expert you need. The most likely reason we're 
looking

is to do something new :).

Also, please cross-train so when someone does leave the rest of the 
team

isn't left with huge gaps in knowledge and experience!

ciao,

der.hans


Nathan

On 2015-07-22 10:45, Keith Smith wrote:

Hi,

I posted for an entry level LAMP developer a week or so ago figuring 
I

would find a number of people wanting to break into LAMP development.
What I received was a lackluster response.  I was offering $22/hr 
1099

with the potential to bill 40 hours a week.  I figured by the time
that person pays for health insurance figured at $250/mo, pays he 
self

employment tax, and takes some vacation time and holiday time off,
this compensation would be about $18 an hour W2 or $36,000 a year.

Here is the contract description:

I am looking for an entry level LAMP developer.  Would like someone
with entry level PHP skills and entry level Linux skills.  Stuff like
the ability to add a user, add a sudo user, and configure vhosts on
apache.  I will give directions with examples and they will be 
working

on a development VPS so if they blow it we just spin up another.  As
for PHP skills if this person knows how to write a MySql connection
string and is able to insert, update, delete and list this person
could be what I am looking for.  This is a maintenance job.   This
person would need to know some HTML and CSS.  jQuery would be a plus.

This contract could last as long as 2 or 3 years.  At that point we
would need to either up the compensation or understand when this
person takes off for other opportunities.

Is the compensation fair?  Any ideas why I received such a lukewarm 
response?



Your feedback is much appreciated.

Keith

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Re: O/T : Looking for an entry level LAMP developer for contract work.

2015-07-23 Thread Stephen Partington
For all of the weirdness in the Pearson hiring process the Hiring Manager
writes the requirements in full for any posting. Not HR or whomever.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:46 AM, David Schwartz 
wrote:

> The current process of matching resumes with job reqs passed from managers
> to HR to recruiters / web sites to developers and back is totally broken.
>
> We have hiring managers on one end who have been out of the loop for a
> while and don’t seem to understand a lot of the tech used by the people
> they manage.
>
> They write a job req and give it to HR.
>
> The HR people are handling job reqs for the entire company and tend to not
> be very well-versed in tech either. They “polish up” the ads a bit then
> post them online.
>
> Recruiters get hold of them and tweak them a bit.
>
> Then actual devs read them and cannot figure out why a job looking for a
> “programmer” requires 3+ years working with the entire Adobe Creative Suite
> including Photoshop and Fireworks, and why they say they’re building a CMS
> but there’s no requirement for any database experience.
>
> So someone perfectly suited for the job responds and gets rejected because
> they don’t have the requisite “design” expertise.
>
> Last week I saw a job req for a junior web developer that requires,
> “extensive experience with Adobe Creative Suite, php, perl, python, MySQL
> (including stored procs), database design and administration, Apache,
> TomCat, and HTML5/CSS3."
>
> There was a position on Dice looking for “a minimum of 5 years of
> demonstrable experience writing apps in Swift”.
>
> I got an email from a recruiter last week (a young woman who probably
> recently left a phone sales job with AmEx or Vanguard) who said, “I’ve got
> a requirement for someone with extensive C++ programming experience,
> including OOA and OOD. I don’t see a lot of people with OOA and OOD
> experience listed in their resume, so you probably have a really great shot
> at this position!” [never heard back]
>
> Job req stated: “Java experience helpful”.  Me: “What version of Java are
> they using?” Recruiter: “They just said Java. Does it matter what version?”
>
> Recruiter: “I see you have some php experience in your background. We have
> a web developer position that I think you’d be a great fit for.” Me: “Do
> they require any graphic arts or visual design experience?” Recruiter: “No,
> they don’t mention that.” Job req: “Requires: 5+ years Adobe Creative
> Suite, including Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, etc.”
>
> Job req: “We’re looking for a seasoned senior devleoper with 10+ years of
> C++ expertise.” Recruiter: “They’re looking for someone with recent C++
> experience; you haven’t worked with it in several years.” Me: “What version
> of C++ are they using?” Recruiter: “It doesn’t say…” Next day: “I checked
> with the manager and he said they’re using C++99.” Me: “I worked with that
> version for quite a while.” Recruiter: “I’m sorry, they really want someone
> with recent experience.”
>
> HR: “We’re looking for someone with experience in Java, specifically
> lambdas and closures.” Me: “So you’re using Java 8?” HR: “No, this is for a
> Java 6 role. But you have to have experience with lambdas and closures. I
> don’t see that on your resume.” [Lambdas and closures are mostly new to
> Java 8, and not present in Java 6.]
>
> My question: How in the hell does anybody get hired ANYWHERE without flat
> out LYING about stuff on their resume?
>
> Everybody is hiring for experience with the latest tooks and buzzwords.
> Nobody cares that you’ve got 10+ years of OOA/OOD/OOP expertise if you
> cannot write code in the latest language du jour with your eyes closed.
> They prefer college kids with no depth of experience but one semester of
> some language over senior people with tons of experience and nothing as
> current as the college kid has. And from what I can tell, I could spend the
> next two years working with everything under the sun on my own, and nobody
> will give a rip because I have no “on the job experience” with any of it.
>
> It’s really messed up. When I go to job fairs there are mostly foreigners
> and older folks. And recruiters basically admitting that nobody is hiring
> into junior roles to learn new stuff except college grads. Everybody says
> they want to hire someone who can “hit the ground running”, which makes no
> sense to me because I’ve never had a job where I didn’t have to spend
> several weeks (if not months) learning their software apps first (mostly by
> reading the code b/c they don’t like their devs wasting time writing
> documentation).
>
> -David
>
>
>
> > On Jul 22, 2015, at 10:40 PM, der.hans  wrote:
> >
> > Am 22. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Nathan England so:
> >
> > moin moin,
> >
> >> The company I currently work for has 3 developer position openings and
> in 4 months we've had only two candidates apply. That seems to me a real
> need for developers. Either that or the job description is too complicated
> for them to get past.

Re: O/T : Looking for an entry level LAMP developer for contract work.

2015-07-23 Thread Stephen Partington
The amount of Truth in this is daunting.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:40 PM, der.hans  wrote:

> Am 22. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Nathan England so:
>
> moin moin,
>
>  The company I currently work for has 3 developer position openings and in
>> 4 months we've had only two candidates apply. That seems to me a real need
>> for developers. Either that or the job description is too complicated for
>> them to get past.
>>
>
> ( None of this is pointing at any specific person or company, it just
> seems like the best place in the thread to mention it. )
>
> There's an open secret about tech unemployment, it's been really low for
> years, even when general unemployment was really high.
>
> Due to this apparently being a secret, we get job descriptions that list
> every technology someone can cut and paste from Internet search results.
>
> But, since tech unemployment is actually low, it's hard to find candidates.
>
> In tech we're also usually looking for specialists. Do welding companies
> ask for someone expert in one particular welder? Are there dozens of
> brands of welders to choose from such that skills ( from the viewpoint of
> HR ) don't transfer to another brand of welder? Sorry, you only know java
> welders...
>
> So, we have a lack of candidates because people have jobs and don't
> need to look around and also because job descriptions are searching for
> unrealistic lists of skills while simultaneously focusing on narrow
> fields.
>
> Then, when candidates do appear, many get overlooked due to the narrow
> field view or lack of buzzwork bingo on their resumes. The habitually
> unemployed or new to the field seem are really up against heavy odds, even
> in the low unemployment state we've been in for years.
>
> Even an expert will have a learning curve to learn how your environment
> does it. The example I like to give is that if you hire Larry Wall to join
> your Perl team ( or Guido von Rossum for Python or Rasmus Lerdorf for
> PHP... ), he will need time to learn how your team works. Granted, if he
> then makes suggestions your team should probably listen intently :).
>
> For entry and junior level positions, look for candidates that are good at
> technology and learning, then give them room to grow into the specific
> position. You need that anyway because your environment *is* different.
>
> For senior positions, find those who know the field, then see if you think
> they can become the expert you need. The most likely reason we're looking
> is to do something new :).
>
> Also, please cross-train so when someone does leave the rest of the team
> isn't left with huge gaps in knowledge and experience!
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
>
>  Nathan
>>
>> On 2015-07-22 10:45, Keith Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I posted for an entry level LAMP developer a week or so ago figuring I
>>> would find a number of people wanting to break into LAMP development.
>>> What I received was a lackluster response.  I was offering $22/hr 1099
>>> with the potential to bill 40 hours a week.  I figured by the time
>>> that person pays for health insurance figured at $250/mo, pays he self
>>> employment tax, and takes some vacation time and holiday time off,
>>> this compensation would be about $18 an hour W2 or $36,000 a year.
>>>
>>> Here is the contract description:
>>>
>>> I am looking for an entry level LAMP developer.  Would like someone
>>> with entry level PHP skills and entry level Linux skills.  Stuff like
>>> the ability to add a user, add a sudo user, and configure vhosts on
>>> apache.  I will give directions with examples and they will be working
>>> on a development VPS so if they blow it we just spin up another.  As
>>> for PHP skills if this person knows how to write a MySql connection
>>> string and is able to insert, update, delete and list this person
>>> could be what I am looking for.  This is a maintenance job.   This
>>> person would need to know some HTML and CSS.  jQuery would be a plus.
>>>
>>> This contract could last as long as 2 or 3 years.  At that point we
>>> would need to either up the compensation or understand when this
>>> person takes off for other opportunities.
>>>
>>> Is the compensation fair?  Any ideas why I received such a lukewarm
>>> response?
>>>
>>>
>>> Your feedback is much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
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Re: O/T : Looking for an entry level LAMP developer for contract work.

2015-07-23 Thread David Schwartz
The current process of matching resumes with job reqs passed from managers to 
HR to recruiters / web sites to developers and back is totally broken.

We have hiring managers on one end who have been out of the loop for a while 
and don’t seem to understand a lot of the tech used by the people they manage.

They write a job req and give it to HR. 

The HR people are handling job reqs for the entire company and tend to not be 
very well-versed in tech either. They “polish up” the ads a bit then post them 
online.

Recruiters get hold of them and tweak them a bit.

Then actual devs read them and cannot figure out why a job looking for a 
“programmer” requires 3+ years working with the entire Adobe Creative Suite 
including Photoshop and Fireworks, and why they say they’re building a CMS but 
there’s no requirement for any database experience.

So someone perfectly suited for the job responds and gets rejected because they 
don’t have the requisite “design” expertise.

Last week I saw a job req for a junior web developer that requires, “extensive 
experience with Adobe Creative Suite, php, perl, python, MySQL (including 
stored procs), database design and administration, Apache, TomCat, and 
HTML5/CSS3."

There was a position on Dice looking for “a minimum of 5 years of demonstrable 
experience writing apps in Swift”.

I got an email from a recruiter last week (a young woman who probably recently 
left a phone sales job with AmEx or Vanguard) who said, “I’ve got a requirement 
for someone with extensive C++ programming experience, including OOA and OOD. I 
don’t see a lot of people with OOA and OOD experience listed in their resume, 
so you probably have a really great shot at this position!” [never heard back]

Job req stated: “Java experience helpful”.  Me: “What version of Java are they 
using?” Recruiter: “They just said Java. Does it matter what version?”

Recruiter: “I see you have some php experience in your background. We have a 
web developer position that I think you’d be a great fit for.” Me: “Do they 
require any graphic arts or visual design experience?” Recruiter: “No, they 
don’t mention that.” Job req: “Requires: 5+ years Adobe Creative Suite, 
including Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, etc.”

Job req: “We’re looking for a seasoned senior devleoper with 10+ years of C++ 
expertise.” Recruiter: “They’re looking for someone with recent C++ experience; 
you haven’t worked with it in several years.” Me: “What version of C++ are they 
using?” Recruiter: “It doesn’t say…” Next day: “I checked with the manager and 
he said they’re using C++99.” Me: “I worked with that version for quite a 
while.” Recruiter: “I’m sorry, they really want someone with recent experience.”

HR: “We’re looking for someone with experience in Java, specifically lambdas 
and closures.” Me: “So you’re using Java 8?” HR: “No, this is for a Java 6 
role. But you have to have experience with lambdas and closures. I don’t see 
that on your resume.” [Lambdas and closures are mostly new to Java 8, and not 
present in Java 6.]

My question: How in the hell does anybody get hired ANYWHERE without flat out 
LYING about stuff on their resume?

Everybody is hiring for experience with the latest tooks and buzzwords. Nobody 
cares that you’ve got 10+ years of OOA/OOD/OOP expertise if you cannot write 
code in the latest language du jour with your eyes closed. They prefer college 
kids with no depth of experience but one semester of some language over senior 
people with tons of experience and nothing as current as the college kid has. 
And from what I can tell, I could spend the next two years working with 
everything under the sun on my own, and nobody will give a rip because I have 
no “on the job experience” with any of it.

It’s really messed up. When I go to job fairs there are mostly foreigners and 
older folks. And recruiters basically admitting that nobody is hiring into 
junior roles to learn new stuff except college grads. Everybody says they want 
to hire someone who can “hit the ground running”, which makes no sense to me 
because I’ve never had a job where I didn’t have to spend several weeks (if not 
months) learning their software apps first (mostly by reading the code b/c they 
don’t like their devs wasting time writing documentation).

-David



> On Jul 22, 2015, at 10:40 PM, der.hans  wrote:
> 
> Am 22. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Nathan England so:
> 
> moin moin,
> 
>> The company I currently work for has 3 developer position openings and in 4 
>> months we've had only two candidates apply. That seems to me a real need for 
>> developers. Either that or the job description is too complicated for them 
>> to get past.
> 
> ( None of this is pointing at any specific person or company, it just
> seems like the best place in the thread to mention it. )
> 
> There's an open secret about tech unemployment, it's been really low for
> years, even when general unemployment was really high.
> 
> Due to this apparently being a secret,