Re: POLICE WEB APPLICATION DEVELOPER

[Stephen Partington]

"Thanks for posting this Keith. I don't make it to the mailing list very
often any more.
Just as a reminder the position closes this Friday so please power the
application site to get your name in."

This may be part of why you might not have heard back...

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Shawn Badger  wrote:

> Thanks for posting this Keith. I don't make it to the mailing list very
> often any more.
> Just as a reminder the position closes this Friday so please power the
> application site to get your name in.
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Keith Smith 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Last night at the meeting several people said they were looking to hire.
>> One of the positions is with the Chandler police department.
>>
>> They need a PHP programmer to do WordPress programming.
>>
>> Looks to be a great opportunity.
>>
>> http://www.chandleraz.gov/default.aspx?pageid=97
>>
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Re: POLICE WEB APPLICATION DEVELOPER

[Shawn Badger]

Thanks for posting this Keith. I don't make it to the mailing list very
often any more.
Just as a reminder the position closes this Friday so please power the
application site to get your name in.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Keith Smith 
wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
>
> Last night at the meeting several people said they were looking to hire.
> One of the positions is with the Chandler police department.
>
> They need a PHP programmer to do WordPress programming.
>
> Looks to be a great opportunity.
>
> http://www.chandleraz.gov/default.aspx?pageid=97
>
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Re: POLICE WEB APPLICATION DEVELOPER

[Keith Smith]

My Pleasure Shawn!!

I've talked with Shawn several times about this position.  This is a 
great opportunity for someone. At the PLUG meeting he said they would 
consider anyone who can program.


In visiting the job posting and benefits page, I think it said:
- $69,505.00 - $97,280.00 Annually
- 11 paid holidays
- 12 days of vacation entry level and I suspect it that amount increases 
with longevity.

- 12 paid sick days a year
- State retirement - after 30 years you could take home 1/2 your salary 
for the rest of your life.  ** this is huge

- and more

At a prior meeting one of the people from this department said upon hire 
they take you to the Apple store and YOU pick out what computer YOU 
want.


Job Posting : http://www.chandleraz.gov/default.aspx?pageid=97

Benefits : http://www.chandleraz.gov/default.aspx?pageid=98





On 2015-10-14 08:36, Shawn Badger wrote:

Thanks for posting this Keith. I don't make it to the mailing list
very often any more.
Just as a reminder the position closes this Friday so please power the
application site to get your name in.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Keith Smith
 wrote:


Hi,

Last night at the meeting several people said they were looking to
hire. One of the positions is with the Chandler police department.

They need a PHP programmer to do WordPress programming.

Looks to be a great opportunity.

http://www.chandleraz.gov/default.aspx?pageid=97 [1]

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Re: RHEL 8

[Brian Cluff]

On 10/13/2015 06:14 PM, Phil Waclawski wrote:

Yes, and the UNITY thing on Ubuntu also beat windows 8 to the punch.
That was when I switched to Kubuntu.  I've had a student testing kubuntu
15 and it looks like the customizations I normally do to KDE have been
disabled (or hidden) in KDE 5may start looking at Mint or something
else.


Just curious, what customizations are you finding that are missing? In 
my option Kubuntu 15.04 was really a rough release and I haven't 
recommend it to much of anyone. Plasma 5 appears to have been adopted 
about 2 months too soon to make it the default desktop in Kubuntu. After 
about 2 months you could load the Kubuntu backports PPA and that would 
make things fairly nice.


There are a small handful of plasmoids that didn't make the port over to 
the plasma 5 environment, one of my favorites being the the 
"quicklaunch" plasmoid. At first I was pissed, but on doing some 
research I found out that the quicklaunch plasmoid has been abandoned by 
the author for years so it was bound to get dropped anyway. The good 
thing is that the effective functionality of the quicklaunch plasmoid 
has been pulled into the folderview plasmoid which changes it's behavior 
if it's put into a panel.


Anyway, cut to the as unreleased Kubunutu 15.10... It's a whole 
different beast compared to the 15.04 rlease, and in my opinion is what 
should have been the initial plasma 5 desktop release. All the crashes 
are now gone. Most of the missing features are back and the still 
missing ones are most likely your least used features and should be back 
in shortly. The desktop is silky smooth and noticeably faster than the 
14.x versions of KDE. Of course it could also be argued that Kubuntu 
wouldn't have been in such a good state if it hadn't released plasma 5 
to the wild when it did... oh well, it is what it is.


If you are currently running 14.04LTS then I believe that by the time 
you upgrade to the next LTS in 6 months, the desktop should be just a 
faster, smoother version of what you already know... only better.
If you are looking to upgrade sooner, then I think you'll still find the 
desktop in excellent shape... It might be missing a few minor features 
right now, but there is often a workaround till the feature gets added 
back in in the near future.


Probably the biggest change that might bite you is that KDE is now 
storing it's configurations in more standard locations like .config, 
.local, etc and a small number of other paths have changed as well, like 
the path to the service menus. A quick mv and a softlink quickly take 
care of the legacy location on an updated box.


Brian Cluff

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Re: RHEL 8

[Brian Cluff]

Those 2 things are both still there.

For the menu selection, it has been moved slightly to a better location. 
 You now right click on the K icon and select "Alternatives" and then 
you are given a list of ALL the menu alternatives that exist.  The 
"Alternatives" selection seems to be a configuration design that they 
have carried across everything that can or does have multiple options. 
It should make less obvious options noticeable to more people.


For the desktop, they have combined all the different desktop types into 
a single versatile desktop.  So to get a classic desktop with icons on 
it, go to the "Wallpaper" tab under the desktop settings and change it 
from "Desktop" to "Folderview".  I have noticed that the folder view 
specific setting don't appear in the desktop settings area until you 
exit out of the desktop settings and then go back in.


Brian Cluff

On 10/14/2015 02:09 PM, Phil Waclawski wrote:

Well, for one, I dislike the tabbed menu KDE has by default, so I
usually do a right click and "Classic Menu Style". Student said that was
gone (I haven't tried out 15  yet). Also that you can't easily set the
desktop to "folder view" either.  If those are true, that's not a good
sign for the rest of it. I need to get the live DVD and test it myself.

Phil W

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Brian Cluff > wrote:

On 10/13/2015 06:14 PM, Phil Waclawski wrote:

Yes, and the UNITY thing on Ubuntu also beat windows 8 to the punch.
That was when I switched to Kubuntu.  I've had a student testing
kubuntu
15 and it looks like the customizations I normally do to KDE
have been
disabled (or hidden) in KDE 5may start looking at Mint or
something
else.


Just curious, what customizations are you finding that are missing?
In my option Kubuntu 15.04 was really a rough release and I haven't
recommend it to much of anyone. Plasma 5 appears to have been
adopted about 2 months too soon to make it the default desktop in
Kubuntu. After about 2 months you could load the Kubuntu backports
PPA and that would make things fairly nice.

There are a small handful of plasmoids that didn't make the port
over to the plasma 5 environment, one of my favorites being the the
"quicklaunch" plasmoid. At first I was pissed, but on doing some
research I found out that the quicklaunch plasmoid has been
abandoned by the author for years so it was bound to get dropped
anyway. The good thing is that the effective functionality of the
quicklaunch plasmoid has been pulled into the folderview plasmoid
which changes it's behavior if it's put into a panel.

Anyway, cut to the as unreleased Kubunutu 15.10... It's a whole
different beast compared to the 15.04 rlease, and in my opinion is
what should have been the initial plasma 5 desktop release. All the
crashes are now gone. Most of the missing features are back and the
still missing ones are most likely your least used features and
should be back in shortly. The desktop is silky smooth and
noticeably faster than the 14.x versions of KDE. Of course it could
also be argued that Kubuntu wouldn't have been in such a good state
if it hadn't released plasma 5 to the wild when it did... oh well,
it is what it is.

If you are currently running 14.04LTS then I believe that by the
time you upgrade to the next LTS in 6 months, the desktop should be
just a faster, smoother version of what you already know... only better.
If you are looking to upgrade sooner, then I think you'll still find
the desktop in excellent shape... It might be missing a few minor
features right now, but there is often a workaround till the feature
gets added back in in the near future.

Probably the biggest change that might bite you is that KDE is now
storing it's configurations in more standard locations like .config,
.local, etc and a small number of other paths have changed as well,
like the path to the service menus. A quick mv and a softlink
quickly take care of the legacy location on an updated box.

Brian Cluff

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Re: RHEL 8

[Phil Waclawski]

Well, for one, I dislike the tabbed menu KDE has by default, so I usually
do a right click and "Classic Menu Style". Student said that was gone (I
haven't tried out 15  yet). Also that you can't easily set the desktop to
"folder view" either.  If those are true, that's not a good sign for the
rest of it. I need to get the live DVD and test it myself.

Phil W

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Brian Cluff  wrote:

> On 10/13/2015 06:14 PM, Phil Waclawski wrote:
>
>> Yes, and the UNITY thing on Ubuntu also beat windows 8 to the punch.
>> That was when I switched to Kubuntu.  I've had a student testing kubuntu
>> 15 and it looks like the customizations I normally do to KDE have been
>> disabled (or hidden) in KDE 5may start looking at Mint or something
>> else.
>>
>
> Just curious, what customizations are you finding that are missing? In my
> option Kubuntu 15.04 was really a rough release and I haven't recommend it
> to much of anyone. Plasma 5 appears to have been adopted about 2 months too
> soon to make it the default desktop in Kubuntu. After about 2 months you
> could load the Kubuntu backports PPA and that would make things fairly nice.
>
> There are a small handful of plasmoids that didn't make the port over to
> the plasma 5 environment, one of my favorites being the the "quicklaunch"
> plasmoid. At first I was pissed, but on doing some research I found out
> that the quicklaunch plasmoid has been abandoned by the author for years so
> it was bound to get dropped anyway. The good thing is that the effective
> functionality of the quicklaunch plasmoid has been pulled into the
> folderview plasmoid which changes it's behavior if it's put into a panel.
>
> Anyway, cut to the as unreleased Kubunutu 15.10... It's a whole different
> beast compared to the 15.04 rlease, and in my opinion is what should have
> been the initial plasma 5 desktop release. All the crashes are now gone.
> Most of the missing features are back and the still missing ones are most
> likely your least used features and should be back in shortly. The desktop
> is silky smooth and noticeably faster than the 14.x versions of KDE. Of
> course it could also be argued that Kubuntu wouldn't have been in such a
> good state if it hadn't released plasma 5 to the wild when it did... oh
> well, it is what it is.
>
> If you are currently running 14.04LTS then I believe that by the time you
> upgrade to the next LTS in 6 months, the desktop should be just a faster,
> smoother version of what you already know... only better.
> If you are looking to upgrade sooner, then I think you'll still find the
> desktop in excellent shape... It might be missing a few minor features
> right now, but there is often a workaround till the feature gets added back
> in in the near future.
>
> Probably the biggest change that might bite you is that KDE is now storing
> it's configurations in more standard locations like .config, .local, etc
> and a small number of other paths have changed as well, like the path to
> the service menus. A quick mv and a softlink quickly take care of the
> legacy location on an updated box.
>
> Brian Cluff
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Re: RHEL 8

[Phil Waclawski]

good to know, thank you
Phil W

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Brian Cluff  wrote:

> Those 2 things are both still there.
>
> For the menu selection, it has been moved slightly to a better location.
> You now right click on the K icon and select "Alternatives" and then you
> are given a list of ALL the menu alternatives that exist.  The
> "Alternatives" selection seems to be a configuration design that they have
> carried across everything that can or does have multiple options. It should
> make less obvious options noticeable to more people.
>
> For the desktop, they have combined all the different desktop types into a
> single versatile desktop.  So to get a classic desktop with icons on it, go
> to the "Wallpaper" tab under the desktop settings and change it from
> "Desktop" to "Folderview".  I have noticed that the folder view specific
> setting don't appear in the desktop settings area until you exit out of the
> desktop settings and then go back in.
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On 10/14/2015 02:09 PM, Phil Waclawski wrote:
>
>> Well, for one, I dislike the tabbed menu KDE has by default, so I
>> usually do a right click and "Classic Menu Style". Student said that was
>> gone (I haven't tried out 15  yet). Also that you can't easily set the
>> desktop to "folder view" either.  If those are true, that's not a good
>> sign for the rest of it. I need to get the live DVD and test it myself.
>>
>> Phil W
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Brian Cluff > > wrote:
>>
>> On 10/13/2015 06:14 PM, Phil Waclawski wrote:
>>
>> Yes, and the UNITY thing on Ubuntu also beat windows 8 to the
>> punch.
>> That was when I switched to Kubuntu.  I've had a student testing
>> kubuntu
>> 15 and it looks like the customizations I normally do to KDE
>> have been
>> disabled (or hidden) in KDE 5may start looking at Mint or
>> something
>> else.
>>
>>
>> Just curious, what customizations are you finding that are missing?
>> In my option Kubuntu 15.04 was really a rough release and I haven't
>> recommend it to much of anyone. Plasma 5 appears to have been
>> adopted about 2 months too soon to make it the default desktop in
>> Kubuntu. After about 2 months you could load the Kubuntu backports
>> PPA and that would make things fairly nice.
>>
>> There are a small handful of plasmoids that didn't make the port
>> over to the plasma 5 environment, one of my favorites being the the
>> "quicklaunch" plasmoid. At first I was pissed, but on doing some
>> research I found out that the quicklaunch plasmoid has been
>> abandoned by the author for years so it was bound to get dropped
>> anyway. The good thing is that the effective functionality of the
>> quicklaunch plasmoid has been pulled into the folderview plasmoid
>> which changes it's behavior if it's put into a panel.
>>
>> Anyway, cut to the as unreleased Kubunutu 15.10... It's a whole
>> different beast compared to the 15.04 rlease, and in my opinion is
>> what should have been the initial plasma 5 desktop release. All the
>> crashes are now gone. Most of the missing features are back and the
>> still missing ones are most likely your least used features and
>> should be back in shortly. The desktop is silky smooth and
>> noticeably faster than the 14.x versions of KDE. Of course it could
>> also be argued that Kubuntu wouldn't have been in such a good state
>> if it hadn't released plasma 5 to the wild when it did... oh well,
>> it is what it is.
>>
>> If you are currently running 14.04LTS then I believe that by the
>> time you upgrade to the next LTS in 6 months, the desktop should be
>> just a faster, smoother version of what you already know... only
>> better.
>> If you are looking to upgrade sooner, then I think you'll still find
>> the desktop in excellent shape... It might be missing a few minor
>> features right now, but there is often a workaround till the feature
>> gets added back in in the near future.
>>
>> Probably the biggest change that might bite you is that KDE is now
>> storing it's configurations in more standard locations like .config,
>> .local, etc and a small number of other paths have changed as well,
>> like the path to the service menus. A quick mv and a softlink
>> quickly take care of the legacy location on an updated box.
>>
>> Brian Cluff
>>
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Re: POLICE WEB APPLICATION DEVELOPER

[Ed]

So, job 1 is install Linux on Apple hardware...   ;)

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Keith Smith  wrote:
>
> My Pleasure Shawn!!
>
> I've talked with Shawn several times about this position.  This is a great
> opportunity for someone. At the PLUG meeting he said they would consider
> anyone who can program.
>
> In visiting the job posting and benefits page, I think it said:
> - $69,505.00 - $97,280.00 Annually
> - 11 paid holidays
> - 12 days of vacation entry level and I suspect it that amount increases
> with longevity.
> - 12 paid sick days a year
> - State retirement - after 30 years you could take home 1/2 your salary for
> the rest of your life.  ** this is huge
> - and more
>
> At a prior meeting one of the people from this department said upon hire
> they take you to the Apple store and YOU pick out what computer YOU want.
>
> Job Posting : http://www.chandleraz.gov/default.aspx?pageid=97
>
> Benefits : http://www.chandleraz.gov/default.aspx?pageid=98
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2015-10-14 08:36, Shawn Badger wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for posting this Keith. I don't make it to the mailing list
>> very often any more.
>> Just as a reminder the position closes this Friday so please power the
>> application site to get your name in.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Keith Smith
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Last night at the meeting several people said they were looking to
>>> hire. One of the positions is with the Chandler police department.
>>>
>>> They need a PHP programmer to do WordPress programming.
>>>
>>> Looks to be a great opportunity.
>>>
>>> http://www.chandleraz.gov/default.aspx?pageid=97 [1]
>>>
>>> Keith
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Re: POLICE WEB APPLICATION DEVELOPER

[Brian Cluff]

I don't think it's got to be an apple product.  The guy that said that, 
Aaron, is an apple fan.


I would read that more as that they are willing to pay Apple prices for 
a work computer :)


Brian

On 10/14/2015 06:25 PM, Ed wrote:

So, job 1 is install Linux on Apple hardware...   ;)

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Keith Smith  wrote:

My Pleasure Shawn!!

I've talked with Shawn several times about this position.  This is a great
opportunity for someone. At the PLUG meeting he said they would consider
anyone who can program.

In visiting the job posting and benefits page, I think it said:
- $69,505.00 - $97,280.00 Annually
- 11 paid holidays
- 12 days of vacation entry level and I suspect it that amount increases
with longevity.
- 12 paid sick days a year
- State retirement - after 30 years you could take home 1/2 your salary for
the rest of your life.  ** this is huge
- and more

At a prior meeting one of the people from this department said upon hire
they take you to the Apple store and YOU pick out what computer YOU want.

Job Posting : http://www.chandleraz.gov/default.aspx?pageid=97

Benefits : http://www.chandleraz.gov/default.aspx?pageid=98





On 2015-10-14 08:36, Shawn Badger wrote:

Thanks for posting this Keith. I don't make it to the mailing list
very often any more.
Just as a reminder the position closes this Friday so please power the
application site to get your name in.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Keith Smith
 wrote:


Hi,

Last night at the meeting several people said they were looking to
hire. One of the positions is with the Chandler police department.

They need a PHP programmer to do WordPress programming.

Looks to be a great opportunity.

http://www.chandleraz.gov/default.aspx?pageid=97 [1]

Keith
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Re: POLICE WEB APPLICATION DEVELOPER

[David Schwartz]

When it comes to looking for work, I’m far more interested in technical 
challenges than holidays, vacation, sick days, or retirement.

Most job descriptions today all sound the same. Half is benefits, the other 
half is boilerplate BS about how great a work environment they have, all the 
fancy schmancy stuff they use, and many subtle ways they try to avoid saying 
the job mainly deals with maintaining old code vs. developing new code.

I have not seen a single job req in … well, years … that says anything about 
the employer’s commitment to extending your skill set (unless it’s a job like a 
barista at Starbucks and they’re touting their college reimbursement plan). 
What’s their policy around sending folks to technical conferences? Buying 
technical books? Taking online courses? 

The more direct answer is pretty obvious: you cannot even interview for the job 
unless you have more checks next to the tools in their toolstack than most 
other candidates. 

I’ve been looking at learning Java to get into that arena, but every java shop 
I’ve talked with is still using Java 6, with some “testing” of new stuff in 
Java 7. 

My expertise is Delphi (Object Pascal) and the vast majority of work (as little 
as there is) pretty much all involves maintaining code written in Delphi 6, 
which was released in 2002. I’m just finishing up on a short-term project that 
was started in February to migrate an app from D6 to D2007. 

You hear about all of these fancy frameworks and dev environments and 
technologies, and while employers mention names in their job ads, when you peel 
back the surface, you find out they’re using ancient libraries and tools with 
no plans to move forward.

This is a php gig. There’s no mention of any tools, or even if they’re still 
using php 4 of something newer.

It’s sad that these guys can’t seem to attract any viable applicants. But if 
they’re looking for geeks, they might try describing the work in more technical 
details, and lay out a reason why someone would want to work for them for 
TECHNICAL reasons.

And as far as the “go to the Apple store and pick out a computer” goes, 
everybody seems to have a MacBook Pro these days (including me - a fully-loaded 
MBP from mid-2014).

As an aside, I’ve been getting calls from recruiters lately for gigs out of 
town. They dangle a mediocre hourly rate in your face, tell you it’s “W2 
all-inclusive” and that it’s up to you to fork over the dough to travel to 
their city, get a hotel, and cover 100% of your expenses until you start 
getting paid in a month. I can only imagine that there are people gullible 
enough (or rich enough) to accept these terms. 

I suggest that we all need to start asking the kinds of questions of employers 
that we’re most interested in knowing about prospective jobs, rather than 
simply reading these virtually meaningless job descriptions, chuckling to 
ourselves, and moving on.

Hey, this could be one of the most technically challenging roles in the entire 
Phoenix area right now!

But if it’s like most others, it’s mostly maintenance of old code with a 
6-month backlog of bugs that nobody wants to fix; swallowing a lot of political 
BS; a lot of resistance from upper management as far as any kind of rework, 
clean-up, and optimization; and if they decide you’re not too much of a danger 
to their status quo, they may give you some new stuff to work on that isn’t 
already over-specified by kids with MBAs who act as “analysts” to try to figure 
out what their users want.

Actually, those holidays, vacations, and sick days are looking a lot better now!

-David "The Tool Wiz" Schwartz



> On Oct 14, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Keith Smith  wrote:
> 
> 
> My Pleasure Shawn!!
> 
> I've talked with Shawn several times about this position.  This is a great 
> opportunity for someone. At the PLUG meeting he said they would consider 
> anyone who can program.
> 
> In visiting the job posting and benefits page, I think it said:
> - $69,505.00 - $97,280.00 Annually
> - 11 paid holidays
> - 12 days of vacation entry level and I suspect it that amount increases with 
> longevity.
> - 12 paid sick days a year
> - State retirement - after 30 years you could take home 1/2 your salary for 
> the rest of your life.  ** this is huge
> - and more
> 
> At a prior meeting one of the people from this department said upon hire they 
> take you to the Apple store and YOU pick out what computer YOU want.
> 
> Job Posting : http://www.chandleraz.gov/default.aspx?pageid=97
> 
> Benefits : http://www.chandleraz.gov/default.aspx?pageid=98
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2015-10-14 08:36, Shawn Badger wrote:
>> Thanks for posting this Keith. I don't make it to the mailing list
>> very often any more.
>> Just as a reminder the position closes this Friday so please power the
>> application site to get your name in.
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Keith Smith
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Last night at the meeting 

Re: POLICE WEB APPLICATION DEVELOPER

[Brian Cluff]

There have been quite a few applicants, but the chandler PD job requires 
a background check and all the applicants have been bombing it.
The job should be a very fun job, and the guys you would be working with 
are all good cool.  The Chandler PD is very FOSS friendly where they can 
be, and they do a lot of cool stuff.


If I could take on a full time job right now I would be all over this.  
The particular job they are hiring for won't last forever and then there 
is all the other cool stuff they do to work on.


Brian Cluff

On 10/14/2015 08:46 PM, David Schwartz wrote:

When it comes to looking for work, I’m far more interested in technical 
challenges than holidays, vacation, sick days, or retirement.

Most job descriptions today all sound the same. Half is benefits, the other 
half is boilerplate BS about how great a work environment they have, all the 
fancy schmancy stuff they use, and many subtle ways they try to avoid saying 
the job mainly deals with maintaining old code vs. developing new code.

I have not seen a single job req in … well, years … that says anything about 
the employer’s commitment to extending your skill set (unless it’s a job like a 
barista at Starbucks and they’re touting their college reimbursement plan). 
What’s their policy around sending folks to technical conferences? Buying 
technical books? Taking online courses?

The more direct answer is pretty obvious: you cannot even interview for the job 
unless you have more checks next to the tools in their toolstack than most 
other candidates.

I’ve been looking at learning Java to get into that arena, but every java shop 
I’ve talked with is still using Java 6, with some “testing” of new stuff in 
Java 7.

My expertise is Delphi (Object Pascal) and the vast majority of work (as little 
as there is) pretty much all involves maintaining code written in Delphi 6, 
which was released in 2002. I’m just finishing up on a short-term project that 
was started in February to migrate an app from D6 to D2007.

You hear about all of these fancy frameworks and dev environments and 
technologies, and while employers mention names in their job ads, when you peel 
back the surface, you find out they’re using ancient libraries and tools with 
no plans to move forward.

This is a php gig. There’s no mention of any tools, or even if they’re still 
using php 4 of something newer.

It’s sad that these guys can’t seem to attract any viable applicants. But if 
they’re looking for geeks, they might try describing the work in more technical 
details, and lay out a reason why someone would want to work for them for 
TECHNICAL reasons.

And as far as the “go to the Apple store and pick out a computer” goes, 
everybody seems to have a MacBook Pro these days (including me - a fully-loaded 
MBP from mid-2014).

As an aside, I’ve been getting calls from recruiters lately for gigs out of 
town. They dangle a mediocre hourly rate in your face, tell you it’s “W2 
all-inclusive” and that it’s up to you to fork over the dough to travel to 
their city, get a hotel, and cover 100% of your expenses until you start 
getting paid in a month. I can only imagine that there are people gullible 
enough (or rich enough) to accept these terms.

I suggest that we all need to start asking the kinds of questions of employers 
that we’re most interested in knowing about prospective jobs, rather than 
simply reading these virtually meaningless job descriptions, chuckling to 
ourselves, and moving on.

Hey, this could be one of the most technically challenging roles in the entire 
Phoenix area right now!

But if it’s like most others, it’s mostly maintenance of old code with a 
6-month backlog of bugs that nobody wants to fix; swallowing a lot of political 
BS; a lot of resistance from upper management as far as any kind of rework, 
clean-up, and optimization; and if they decide you’re not too much of a danger 
to their status quo, they may give you some new stuff to work on that isn’t 
already over-specified by kids with MBAs who act as “analysts” to try to figure 
out what their users want.

Actually, those holidays, vacations, and sick days are looking a lot better now!

-David "The Tool Wiz" Schwartz




On Oct 14, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Keith Smith  wrote:


My Pleasure Shawn!!

I've talked with Shawn several times about this position.  This is a great 
opportunity for someone. At the PLUG meeting he said they would consider anyone 
who can program.

In visiting the job posting and benefits page, I think it said:
- $69,505.00 - $97,280.00 Annually
- 11 paid holidays
- 12 days of vacation entry level and I suspect it that amount increases with 
longevity.
- 12 paid sick days a year
- State retirement - after 30 years you could take home 1/2 your salary for the 
rest of your life.  ** this is huge
- and more

At a prior meeting one of the people from this department said upon hire they 
take you to the Apple store and YOU pick out what computer YOU 

MEETING: Free/Open Source Software Stammtisch on Tues 10/20

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Wikipedia describes a Stammtisch as:
A Stammtisch (German: "regulars table") is an informal group meeting 
held on a regular basis, and also the usually large, often round table 
around which the group meets. A Stammtisch is not a structured meeting, 
but rather a friendly get-together.


Or in other words, we get together at a restaurant and talk.  It's fun!

*We'll be meeting at Boulders On Southern at 7pm on Tuesday for the 
Free/Open Source Software Stammtisch.*


Please come and join us for some good conversation over good food and 
drinks, both of which are optional... Friends and family are all welcome.
Come see where the conversation leads this time, it doesn't just stick 
exclusively with Free Software and Linux.  Us geeks are interested in 
all sorts of things, so the conversation always leads to a good time.


If you have any problems, feel free to bring in your machine and we'll 
see what we can do to fix your problem...


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Located on the north side of Southern about 1/4 mile east of Alma School
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)

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