Re: gimp and nef

[Matthew Crews]

Install the UFRAW plugin for GIMP, and it should be able to load nef files.

At least that's what a quick Google search suggests.

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On Nov 12, 2017, 18:13, Michael wrote:

> that is what I was thinking. I really just want to see if I can get Gimp to 
> do what darktable seems to be doing (rebooting my system).
>
> On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Stephen Partington  
> wrote:
>
>> Because gimp is not a RAW processor. That is why darktable and lightroom are 
>> so important. You use them as your raw processor then export to gimp.
>>
>> This article is for Adobe products but it explains the basics well
>>
>> https://www.photoshopessentials.com/photo-editing/camera-raw-vs-photoshop/
>>
>> On Nov 12, 2017 5:08 PM, "Michael"  wrote:
>>
>>> Why doesn't gimp open nef correctly? The image it opens is 100x200 pxls and 
>>> when I zoom in it is all pixelated.
>>>
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Re: Free to good home - Rack equipment

[Aaron Jones]

Yup. I can pick it up. How do we setup this so I can pick it up? Thanks a 
bunch

> On Nov 12, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Aaron Jones  wrote:
> 
> I would like the wall mount rack if I can get shawnba to help me pick it up. 
> I dont have a truck. 
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2017, at 11:55 AM, Nathan-plug  wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone who is interested,
>> 
>> I have a 7' 45U 4 post CPI rack with cable management and a 24x36x25 wall 
>> mount rack taking up space at my house and would love to provide a new home 
>> to anyone who might need/want them.  Please let me know as soon as possible 
>> otherwise my wife may make me take more drastic measures to dispose of them.
>> 
>> Nathan
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Re: Free to good home - Rack equipment

[Aaron Jones]

I would like the wall mount rack if I can get shawnba to help me pick it up. I 
dont have a truck. 

> On Nov 12, 2017, at 11:55 AM, Nathan-plug  wrote:
> 
> Anyone who is interested,
> 
> I have a 7' 45U 4 post CPI rack with cable management and a 24x36x25 wall 
> mount rack taking up space at my house and would love to provide a new home 
> to anyone who might need/want them.  Please let me know as soon as possible 
> otherwise my wife may make me take more drastic measures to dispose of them.
> 
> Nathan
> 
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Re: gimp and nef

[Michael]

that is what I was thinking. I really just want to see if I can get Gimp to
do what darktable seems to be doing (rebooting my system).

On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> Because gimp is not a RAW processor. That is why darktable and lightroom
> are so important. You use them as your raw processor then export to gimp.
>
> This article is for Adobe products but it explains the basics well
>
> https://www.photoshopessentials.com/photo-editing/camera-raw-vs-photoshop/
>
> On Nov 12, 2017 5:08 PM, "Michael"  wrote:
>
>> Why doesn't gimp open nef correctly? The image it opens is 100x200 pxls
>> and when I zoom in it is all pixelated.
>>
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Re: gimp and nef

[Stephen Partington]

Because gimp is not a RAW processor. That is why darktable and lightroom
are so important. You use them as your raw processor then export to gimp.

This article is for Adobe products but it explains the basics well

https://www.photoshopessentials.com/photo-editing/camera-raw-vs-photoshop/

On Nov 12, 2017 5:08 PM, "Michael"  wrote:

> Why doesn't gimp open nef correctly? The image it opens is 100x200 pxls
> and when I zoom in it is all pixelated.
>
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gimp and nef

[Michael]

Why doesn't gimp open nef correctly? The image it opens is 100x200 pxls and
when I zoom in it is all pixelated.

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Re: how to nail down error

[Michael]

Would top be of any help?
this is my attempt:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1PKClNE40-Btr34dtT2HN5f9p77OjlCsR

On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Michael  wrote:

> My machine is rebooting after Darktable runs for 10-30 minutes. I think it
> is the videocard but from the list they say it can be a number of reasons
> it does thiis. What can I do to nail down the reason for the reboot/crash
> (did I mention that sometimes the system crashes)?  The reason I think it
> is the video card is because it only restarts when I'm running darktable
> and have made a few modifications to the image. I would hate to replace the
> card only to find that wasn't the problem. This crashing thing only
> recently began.
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how to nail down error

[Michael]

My machine is rebooting after Darktable runs for 10-30 minutes. I think it
is the videocard but from the list they say it can be a number of reasons
it does thiis. What can I do to nail down the reason for the reboot/crash
(did I mention that sometimes the system crashes)?  The reason I think it
is the video card is because it only restarts when I'm running darktable
and have made a few modifications to the image. I would hate to replace the
card only to find that wasn't the problem. This crashing thing only
recently began.

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Re: png or tiff

[Matthew Crews]

Also from a FOSS perspective, PNG was built from the ground up as an open 
format. TIFF I think has opened up, but once upon a time it was patent 
encumbered to a degree, like GIF.

Upon further research I have learned that (at least in GIMP) you can save TIFFs 
using the same compression algorithm as PNG, and file size difference between 
the two will he negligible.

There may be some uses for saving pictures in TIFF format that I'm not aware 
of, I would do some research.

One important thing: most modern web browser support viewing PNG natively. Most 
web browser do NOT support TIFF, including the latest versions of Firefox and 
Chromium. If you want to post pictures on a website, PNG is the better choice.

Cheers,

Matt

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On Nov 12, 2017, 06:53, Matthew Crews wrote:

> TIFF is basically a bitmap format (1 pixel = 1 byte per color value, so 1 
> pixel = 3 bytes for a 24-bit image). TIFF does have a compression option,
>
> PNG is a lossless compression, not unlike a ZIP archive, but with an 
> efficient compression algorithm. Though not a perfect analogy, 1 pixel <= 3 
> bytes. PNG also supports an alpha layer (transparency), which isn't important 
> unless you want it to be.
>
> For example, I just took a screenshot of my desktop. Screen resolution is 
> 1920x1080 @ 32-bit, so 8,294,400 bytes of pixel information are required 
> (1920x1080 pixels * 4 bytes per pixel (RGB values + alpha value)) . The 
> corresponding PNG came out to 1,969,094 bytes, whereas an equivalent TIFF 
> with built-in compression is 2,371,201 bytes. An uncompressed TIF is 
> 8,294,843 bytes, slightly larger than the raw pixel information.
>
> There may be use cases where TIF is a better option, but for the lay person, 
> PNG is better.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Matt
>
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>> Original Message 
>>Subject: png or tiff
>>Local Time: November 12, 2017 6:28 AM
>>UTC Time: November 12, 2017 1:28 PM
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>>it was recommended to me to save lossless pictures as PNG. why not TIFF?
>>
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Re: png or tiff

[Stephen Partington]

I love PNG for many things. But when dealing with Raw portability sometimes
a Tiff is needed. The real challenge is what is your end goal and what are
you looking to do with it. I acutually use JPG to protect my images from
full theft because only i have access to the 100% RAW image. my Jpg's at
best go our as 80 of the original and at most 1/4th the resolution.
4000x6000 rendered to 1080x1920



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On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 6:53 AM, Matthew Crews 
wrote:

> TIFF is basically a bitmap format (1 pixel = 1 byte per color value, so 1
> pixel = 3 bytes for a 24-bit image). TIFF does have a compression option,
>
> PNG is a lossless compression, not unlike a ZIP archive, but with an
> efficient compression algorithm. Though not a perfect analogy, 1 pixel <= 3
> bytes. PNG also supports an alpha layer (transparency), which isn't
> important unless you want it to be.
>
> For example, I just took a screenshot of my desktop. Screen resolution is
> 1920x1080 @ 32-bit, so 8,294,400 bytes of pixel information are required
> (1920x1080 pixels * 4 bytes per pixel (RGB values + alpha value)) . The
> corresponding PNG came out to 1,969,094 bytes, whereas an equivalent TIFF
> with built-in compression is 2,371,201 bytes. An uncompressed TIF is
> 8,294,843 bytes, slightly larger than the raw pixel information.
>
> There may be use cases where TIF is a better option, but for the lay
> person, PNG is better.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Matt
>
>
>
> Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email.
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>
> > Original Message 
> >Subject: png or tiff
> >Local Time: November 12, 2017 6:28 AM
> >UTC Time: November 12, 2017 1:28 PM
> >From: bmi...@gmail.com
> >To: PLUG 
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> >it was recommended to me to save lossless pictures as PNG. why not TIFF?
> >
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Re: png or tiff

[Matthew Crews]

TIFF is basically a bitmap format (1 pixel = 1 byte per color value, so 1 pixel 
= 3 bytes for a 24-bit image). TIFF does have a compression option,

PNG is a lossless compression, not unlike a ZIP archive, but with an efficient 
compression algorithm. Though not a perfect analogy, 1 pixel <= 3 bytes. PNG 
also supports an alpha layer (transparency), which isn't important unless you 
want it to be.

For example, I just took a screenshot of my desktop. Screen resolution is 
1920x1080 @ 32-bit, so 8,294,400 bytes of pixel information are required 
(1920x1080 pixels * 4 bytes per pixel (RGB values + alpha value)) . The 
corresponding PNG came out to 1,969,094 bytes, whereas an equivalent TIFF with 
built-in compression is 2,371,201 bytes. An uncompressed TIF is 8,294,843 
bytes, slightly larger than the raw pixel information.

There may be use cases where TIF is a better option, but for the lay person, 
PNG is better.

Cheers,

-Matt



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> Original Message 
>Subject: png or tiff
>Local Time: November 12, 2017 6:28 AM
>UTC Time: November 12, 2017 1:28 PM
>From: bmi...@gmail.com
>To: PLUG 
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>it was recommended to me to save lossless pictures as PNG. why not TIFF?
>
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png or tiff

[Michael]

it was recommended to me to save lossless pictures as PNG. why not TIFF?

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