Re: Topic split. Arch on laptops.
i know using LVM I had to hand-write my hooks to include the lvm components. On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 7:10 PM Michael Butash wrote: > Secureboot is disabled, but uefi is still used. I didn't see another way > to do it at the time, still don't know if there is a way to keep secureboot > on fully. Not terribly missed either way. > > It's almost like the hooks aren't building into the kernel properly, or > grub isn't playing ball, but still boots ubuntu and its kernel just fine, > same with windoze. > > -mb > > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:49 PM Stephen Partington > wrote: > >> Interesting on both issues. I am assuming you use UEFI and secureboot? >> >> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 9:19 PM Michael Butash wrote: >> >>> The ubuntu issue making me switch with vitriol is somewhat different. I >>> simply can't switch to another DE now under ubuntu, and I hate what ubuntu >>> did to gnome3. Any other DE but ubuntu's simply crashes and dumps me back >>> to login. No idea why, and oddly I can't find much about it from others. >>> It was merely impetus to evacuate ubuntu further, but like crack I can't >>> seem to break free. >>> >>> I ran 16.04 before on my xps15. Old kernels worked ok with bumblebee, >>> but sucked at everything else, including my dell thunderbolt/usb3 dock. >>> I'd get random network timeouts, the usb bus would just sorta die >>> randomly. Lovely feature, really. >>> >>> Upgrading it fixed TB3, but fubar'd bumblebee/gpu interaction, and >>> powertop just sorta said I was causing planetary doom with consumption all >>> the time. It worked, but used power like crazy. I'd be lucky to get an >>> hour of batter life, mostly due to the stupid intel vs. nvidia vs. >>> bumblebee issues on it. Stable network and function vs. heat - I'll take >>> it. I was hoping moving to arch they might have fixed some of this >>> stupidity ubuntu could obviously never figure out. >>> >>> Why do I hate 18.04? Other than above gpu issues, I upgrade to find my >>> right click on the touchpad not working, a distinct lack of a minimize >>> button on my windows, and various things that simply didn't work out of box >>> I needed to find workarounds for. Upgrading out of sheer morbid curiosity >>> to 18.10 didn't fix anything, and in fact made most worse. I just hate >>> ubuntu now, and would really like to never deal with it again. >>> >>> I need to make a decent arch linux vm image I can clone and reuse, as >>> ubuntu is even more annoying with failed upgrades as a server. I really >>> hate having to rebuild everything every few years, but it does keep me in >>> practice. >>> >>> -mb >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 8:00 PM Stephen Partington >>> wrote: >>> To follow up Mike's Conversation earlier about arch on a laptop I am actually curious about the issue you had. I have had really good success with arch on laptops lately. And with the release of Ubuntu 18.04 Ubuntu has been really amenable. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> --- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: PLUG-discuss Digest, Vol 165, Issue 3
What are your networking issues? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 7, 2019, at 2:21 AM, Stephen Partington wrote: > > Right now Grub is about the only thing working right. i am having the > weirdest time trying to learn how to do networking the arch way. their > documentation has decidedly gotten worse. > >> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 7:16 PM Michael Butash wrote: >> What sort of FS structure do you use for yours? Arch and it's grub >> configuration is highly broken for me, and many other folks right now, so >> I'm sure it's something particular to my build. >> >> I've been afraid to update my dekstop lately just in case same issues there >> now, but there is little difference between them at this point I can find >> that one works, and the other does not, other than a lack of raid. >> >> -mb >> >>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 3:11 PM Stephen Partington >>> wrote: >>> I had Nvidia/Intel working on a Lattitude 5580 with bumblebee working well. >>> In the case of my specific AW it is a G-Sync enabled display, so there is >>> no Mux chip to swap between intel and Nvidia graphics. Native screen and >>> all physical connectors are connected directly to the nvidia GPU, and the >>> Intel chip does not do much unless you have thunderbolt working. But it >>> worked well with Ubuntu so i don't expect much with regards to Arch. Arch >>> will likely have more behavior issues with Wifi. >>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 11:54 AM Eric Oyen wrote: Speaking of BSD environments… Well, Theo DeRaadt still won’t make his OS accessible. In fact, he expects someone like me to go through the process of coding the apps, patching and finally submitting to the ports system (for lengthly review, etc.). All I wanted was to have BrilTTY included as a possible startup option on the installation disks for OpenBSD. Now, there is an accessibility project going over at NetBSD, but I haven’t had a lot of time to download and try it out. The forums are still abuzz with technical issues and the like and ORCA still would have to be patched and ported in order to work on an X Desktop there. So, unless things radically change, I am stuck with a few Linux Distros and not much hope for a more secure OS anytime soon. If I had a ride up to the black hat convention in Las Vegas next time Theo is there, I might meet with him in open forum and have him explain before a very public audience why it is that many blind users like me are left out of the picture on his OS. Perhaps it might spur him into action and to doing the right thing. Or, it might cause him to dig in and never do anything (I hope for the former, but expect the latter, if you know what I mean). We blind users expect to be able to use technology and there really is no longer any excuse not to make Operating systems accessible.. Anyway, that’s my take on the BSD world. And yes, like you, I don’t want to have to face breakages, moved items or removed items that I found useful. You know how it is with engineers, they just love to change things! -Eric From the central offices of the Technomage Guild, Technology for all Dept. > On Mar 5, 2019, at 12:39 AM, Thomas Scott > wrote: > > I've moved towards arch and even BSD in personal use over the past few > years away from ubuntu. I don't want massive changes, I want solid, slow > changes. Funny how when I first got into Linux a decade ago, I loved the > "cutting edge", now when I see something new, I'm more likely to yell at > my computer "You moved that WHERE?!". > > In the day (night) job, it's RH. As MB noted, when it comes to the > enterprise, it's still supreme. Especially with Openstack gaining as much > ground as it has, Canonical lags far behind RH and even Mirantis in > support. Kind of sad to see my old favorite dwindle so much. > >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 12:00 AM Eric Oyen wrote: >> Well, from an accessibility standpoint, Ubbuntu is one of the better >> distros around. ORCA screen reader, BrlTTY, speak, emacsspeak and >> several others are available and even the initial setup is accessible. I >> haven’t tried this on arch yet and until I research it, I can’t give a >> qualified opinion on arch. >> >> -Eric >> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Dept of Research and >> Development. >> >> >>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Michael Butash wrote: >>> >>> It's little things like that that make the distro to be honest. Don't >>> piss me off, don't die catastrophically randomly, don't upgrade and >>> leave me at some nebulous boot prompt. Ubuntu did that to me too many >>> times, Arch has been downright gentile by comparison, particularly for >>> as complex a setup as I have
Re: PLUG-discuss Digest, Vol 165, Issue 3
Right now Grub is about the only thing working right. i am having the weirdest time trying to learn how to do networking the arch way. their documentation has decidedly gotten worse. On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 7:16 PM Michael Butash wrote: > What sort of FS structure do you use for yours? Arch and it's grub > configuration is highly broken for me, and many other folks right now, so > I'm sure it's something particular to my build. > > I've been afraid to update my dekstop lately just in case same issues > there now, but there is little difference between them at this point I can > find that one works, and the other does not, other than a lack of raid. > > -mb > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 3:11 PM Stephen Partington > wrote: > >> I had Nvidia/Intel working on a Lattitude 5580 with bumblebee working >> well. In the case of my specific AW it is a G-Sync enabled display, so >> there is no Mux chip to swap between intel and Nvidia graphics. Native >> screen and all physical connectors are connected directly to the nvidia >> GPU, and the Intel chip does not do much unless you have thunderbolt >> working. But it worked well with Ubuntu so i don't expect much with regards >> to Arch. Arch will likely have more behavior issues with Wifi. >> >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 11:54 AM Eric Oyen wrote: >> >>> Speaking of BSD environments… >>> >>> Well, Theo DeRaadt still won’t make his OS accessible. In fact, he >>> expects someone like me to go through the process of coding the apps, >>> patching and finally submitting to the ports system (for lengthly review, >>> etc.). All I wanted was to have BrilTTY included as a possible startup >>> option on the installation disks for OpenBSD. >>> >>> Now, there is an accessibility project going over at NetBSD, but I >>> haven’t had a lot of time to download and try it out. The forums are still >>> abuzz with technical issues and the like and ORCA still would have to be >>> patched and ported in order to work on an X Desktop there. So, unless >>> things radically change, I am stuck with a few Linux Distros and not much >>> hope for a more secure OS anytime soon. >>> >>> If I had a ride up to the black hat convention in Las Vegas next time >>> Theo is there, I might meet with him in open forum and have him explain >>> before a very public audience why it is that many blind users like me are >>> left out of the picture on his OS. Perhaps it might spur him into action >>> and to doing the right thing. Or, it might cause him to dig in and never do >>> anything (I hope for the former, but expect the latter, if you know what I >>> mean). We blind users expect to be able to use technology and there really >>> is no longer any excuse not to make Operating systems accessible.. >>> >>> Anyway, that’s my take on the BSD world. And yes, like you, I don’t want >>> to have to face breakages, moved items or removed items that I found >>> useful. You know how it is with engineers, they just love to change things! >>> >>> -Eric >>> From the central offices of the Technomage Guild, Technology for all >>> Dept. >>> >>> >>> On Mar 5, 2019, at 12:39 AM, Thomas Scott >>> wrote: >>> >>> I've moved towards arch and even BSD in personal use over the past few >>> years away from ubuntu. I don't want massive changes, I want solid, slow >>> changes. Funny how when I first got into Linux a decade ago, I loved the >>> "cutting edge", now when I see something new, I'm more likely to yell at my >>> computer "You moved that WHERE?!". >>> >>> In the day (night) job, it's RH. As MB noted, when it comes to the >>> enterprise, it's still supreme. Especially with Openstack gaining as much >>> ground as it has, Canonical lags far behind RH and even Mirantis in >>> support. Kind of sad to see my old favorite dwindle so much. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 12:00 AM Eric Oyen wrote: >>> Well, from an accessibility standpoint, Ubbuntu is one of the better distros around. ORCA screen reader, BrlTTY, speak, emacsspeak and several others are available and even the initial setup is accessible. I haven’t tried this on arch yet and until I research it, I can’t give a qualified opinion on arch. -Eric From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Dept of Research and Development. On Mar 4, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Michael Butash wrote: It's little things like that that make the distro to be honest. Don't piss me off, don't die catastrophically randomly, don't upgrade and leave me at some nebulous boot prompt. Ubuntu did that to me too many times, Arch has been downright gentile by comparison, particularly for as complex a setup as I have here. I'm fairly particular about breaking down os partitions, /, /boot, /var, /var/log, /usr, /home, and anything else plugged in. I would always use 200mb for my /boot, then some point kernels got huge and couldn't store more than 3 on that. Leaving auto-upgrade on ubuntu for 6
Re: PLUG-discuss Digest, Vol 165, Issue 3
What sort of FS structure do you use for yours? Arch and it's grub configuration is highly broken for me, and many other folks right now, so I'm sure it's something particular to my build. I've been afraid to update my dekstop lately just in case same issues there now, but there is little difference between them at this point I can find that one works, and the other does not, other than a lack of raid. -mb On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 3:11 PM Stephen Partington wrote: > I had Nvidia/Intel working on a Lattitude 5580 with bumblebee working > well. In the case of my specific AW it is a G-Sync enabled display, so > there is no Mux chip to swap between intel and Nvidia graphics. Native > screen and all physical connectors are connected directly to the nvidia > GPU, and the Intel chip does not do much unless you have thunderbolt > working. But it worked well with Ubuntu so i don't expect much with regards > to Arch. Arch will likely have more behavior issues with Wifi. > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 11:54 AM Eric Oyen wrote: > >> Speaking of BSD environments… >> >> Well, Theo DeRaadt still won’t make his OS accessible. In fact, he >> expects someone like me to go through the process of coding the apps, >> patching and finally submitting to the ports system (for lengthly review, >> etc.). All I wanted was to have BrilTTY included as a possible startup >> option on the installation disks for OpenBSD. >> >> Now, there is an accessibility project going over at NetBSD, but I >> haven’t had a lot of time to download and try it out. The forums are still >> abuzz with technical issues and the like and ORCA still would have to be >> patched and ported in order to work on an X Desktop there. So, unless >> things radically change, I am stuck with a few Linux Distros and not much >> hope for a more secure OS anytime soon. >> >> If I had a ride up to the black hat convention in Las Vegas next time >> Theo is there, I might meet with him in open forum and have him explain >> before a very public audience why it is that many blind users like me are >> left out of the picture on his OS. Perhaps it might spur him into action >> and to doing the right thing. Or, it might cause him to dig in and never do >> anything (I hope for the former, but expect the latter, if you know what I >> mean). We blind users expect to be able to use technology and there really >> is no longer any excuse not to make Operating systems accessible.. >> >> Anyway, that’s my take on the BSD world. And yes, like you, I don’t want >> to have to face breakages, moved items or removed items that I found >> useful. You know how it is with engineers, they just love to change things! >> >> -Eric >> From the central offices of the Technomage Guild, Technology for all Dept. >> >> >> On Mar 5, 2019, at 12:39 AM, Thomas Scott >> wrote: >> >> I've moved towards arch and even BSD in personal use over the past few >> years away from ubuntu. I don't want massive changes, I want solid, slow >> changes. Funny how when I first got into Linux a decade ago, I loved the >> "cutting edge", now when I see something new, I'm more likely to yell at my >> computer "You moved that WHERE?!". >> >> In the day (night) job, it's RH. As MB noted, when it comes to the >> enterprise, it's still supreme. Especially with Openstack gaining as much >> ground as it has, Canonical lags far behind RH and even Mirantis in >> support. Kind of sad to see my old favorite dwindle so much. >> >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 12:00 AM Eric Oyen wrote: >> >>> Well, from an accessibility standpoint, Ubbuntu is one of the better >>> distros around. ORCA screen reader, BrlTTY, speak, emacsspeak and several >>> others are available and even the initial setup is accessible. I haven’t >>> tried this on arch yet and until I research it, I can’t give a qualified >>> opinion on arch. >>> >>> -Eric >>> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Dept of Research and >>> Development. >>> >>> >>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Michael Butash wrote: >>> >>> It's little things like that that make the distro to be honest. Don't >>> piss me off, don't die catastrophically randomly, don't upgrade and leave >>> me at some nebulous boot prompt. Ubuntu did that to me too many times, >>> Arch has been downright gentile by comparison, particularly for as complex >>> a setup as I have here. >>> >>> I'm fairly particular about breaking down os partitions, /, /boot, /var, >>> /var/log, /usr, /home, and anything else plugged in. I would always use >>> 200mb for my /boot, then some point kernels got huge and couldn't store >>> more than 3 on that. Leaving auto-upgrade on ubuntu for 6 months at a time >>> would fill the boot drive and start failed upgrades annoyingly, so >>> something like that in Fedora is appreciated. I've not trusted ubuntu >>> auto-upgrades, or ubuntu much at all since. >>> >>> Now I just throw /boot a gig, and typically about the same for EFI from >>> secureboot nonsense, so it works out. Arch doesn't
Re: Topic split. Arch on laptops.
Secureboot is disabled, but uefi is still used. I didn't see another way to do it at the time, still don't know if there is a way to keep secureboot on fully. Not terribly missed either way. It's almost like the hooks aren't building into the kernel properly, or grub isn't playing ball, but still boots ubuntu and its kernel just fine, same with windoze. -mb On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:49 PM Stephen Partington wrote: > Interesting on both issues. I am assuming you use UEFI and secureboot? > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 9:19 PM Michael Butash wrote: > >> The ubuntu issue making me switch with vitriol is somewhat different. I >> simply can't switch to another DE now under ubuntu, and I hate what ubuntu >> did to gnome3. Any other DE but ubuntu's simply crashes and dumps me back >> to login. No idea why, and oddly I can't find much about it from others. >> It was merely impetus to evacuate ubuntu further, but like crack I can't >> seem to break free. >> >> I ran 16.04 before on my xps15. Old kernels worked ok with bumblebee, >> but sucked at everything else, including my dell thunderbolt/usb3 dock. >> I'd get random network timeouts, the usb bus would just sorta die >> randomly. Lovely feature, really. >> >> Upgrading it fixed TB3, but fubar'd bumblebee/gpu interaction, and >> powertop just sorta said I was causing planetary doom with consumption all >> the time. It worked, but used power like crazy. I'd be lucky to get an >> hour of batter life, mostly due to the stupid intel vs. nvidia vs. >> bumblebee issues on it. Stable network and function vs. heat - I'll take >> it. I was hoping moving to arch they might have fixed some of this >> stupidity ubuntu could obviously never figure out. >> >> Why do I hate 18.04? Other than above gpu issues, I upgrade to find my >> right click on the touchpad not working, a distinct lack of a minimize >> button on my windows, and various things that simply didn't work out of box >> I needed to find workarounds for. Upgrading out of sheer morbid curiosity >> to 18.10 didn't fix anything, and in fact made most worse. I just hate >> ubuntu now, and would really like to never deal with it again. >> >> I need to make a decent arch linux vm image I can clone and reuse, as >> ubuntu is even more annoying with failed upgrades as a server. I really >> hate having to rebuild everything every few years, but it does keep me in >> practice. >> >> -mb >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 8:00 PM Stephen Partington >> wrote: >> >>> To follow up Mike's Conversation earlier about arch on a laptop I am >>> actually curious about the issue you had. >>> >>> I have had really good success with arch on laptops lately. And with the >>> release of Ubuntu 18.04 Ubuntu has been really amenable. >>> --- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Arch definition of simplicity?
On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 12:07:20 -0700 "Herminio Hernandez, Jr." wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 11:47 AM Steve Litt > wrote: > > > On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 14:15:14 -0700 > > Stephen Partington wrote: > > > > > From https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux > > > > > > "Arch Linux defines simplicity as *without unnecessary additions > > > or modifications*. > > > > Given such a definition, it would be interesting to hear Arch's > > explanation of substituting the million LOC systemd for the very > > skinny sysvinit, runit, s6, busybox or OpenRC init systems. > > > > SteveT > Here is a good thread from the arch forums > https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1149530#p1149530 The preceding link shows developer tomegun's enumeration of his perception of systemd benefits, but a search on the string "simpl" on his post shows up twice, both of which show up as the adjective "simply" rather than any reference to simple or simplicity. Perhaps the list of perceived advantages were intended as a reason to abandon simplicity. An examination of the truth and timeliness of the list as such a reason deserves its own thread. Secondly, it was written in August 2012, when, according to https://phoronix.com/misc/systemd-2017/lines.html , systemd had 200,000 lines of code, rather than its current 7 figure amount. And in 2012, the s6 init system wasn't widely distributed, and the runit init system, which was very capable at the time, for some reason had very little mindshare. SteveT --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Arch definition of simplicity?
Here is a good thread from the arch forums https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1149530#p1149530 On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 11:47 AM Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 14:15:14 -0700 > Stephen Partington wrote: > > > From https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux > > > > "Arch Linux defines simplicity as *without unnecessary additions or > > modifications*. > > Given such a definition, it would be interesting to hear Arch's > explanation of substituting the million LOC systemd for the very skinny > sysvinit, runit, s6, busybox or OpenRC init systems. > > SteveT > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Arch definition of simplicity?
There is a huge thread in the arch mailing list on this. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 6, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 14:15:14 -0700 > Stephen Partington wrote: > >> From https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux >> >> "Arch Linux defines simplicity as *without unnecessary additions or >> modifications*. > > Given such a definition, it would be interesting to hear Arch's > explanation of substituting the million LOC systemd for the very skinny > sysvinit, runit, s6, busybox or OpenRC init systems. > > SteveT > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Arch definition of simplicity?
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 14:15:14 -0700 Stephen Partington wrote: > From https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux > > "Arch Linux defines simplicity as *without unnecessary additions or > modifications*. Given such a definition, it would be interesting to hear Arch's explanation of substituting the million LOC systemd for the very skinny sysvinit, runit, s6, busybox or OpenRC init systems. SteveT --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Motherboard and graphics card recommendations for building a Linux Box
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 07:47:50 -0700 Aaron Jones wrote: > Times have changed. Most stuff works out of the box with little > tinkering. What do you plan to do with the box? Unless... Unless it has "Secure Boot" that can't be overridden. If no override, then you're limited to a very few major distros who have paid Microsoft for keys for secure boot keys. Or unless you go through a seven year old poorly documented procedure that's ten times harder than installing Arch and installing Gentoo put together. Make *sure* any secure boot can be overridden. SteveT --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
