Re: Password Management Services

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

The current and last few nextcloud iterations have been awesome for sync
needs, and the mobile app has been great.



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On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:57 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
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> It's been a good while since looking at KeePassXC, but looks like it's
> come a long way here.  The "database merge" function sounds interesting for
> what I need, as well as it has a browser plugin it seems...  How good is
> the question?  Lastpass in the browser is pretty sharp about noticing input
> fields, referencing the right accounts, multi-computer sync, things like
> that.
>
> I used KeePass, and later KeePassX for a good 10 years or so before the
> last 5yr of Lastpass, but it was always quirky to replicate between
> computers (not to mention fscking mono).  It just didn't work when I had
> 3-4 separate systems that needed to work with it and rsyncing.  I'm used to
> versioning and replicating my work data, which passwords are largely a part
> of here, but if I make a change on my desktop, before I sync it to my
> laptop while I'm on the road for a week or two, I have source of truth
> issues and someone loses with no atomic updates in a flat file.
>
> Moving to Lastpass fixed this, and holy crap, the browser plugins can
> autofill?  Word.
>
> Remove the cloud, it needs a database or api-sort of constant CRUD-type of
> feed for all endpoint clients still ideally.  I can do this with VPN, but
> not found something like a client/server application to replicate what
> lastpass or onepass bring.  I'll have to see if KeePassXC does anything
> like this, as simply rsync a flat file between hosts is never good, and has
> caused me grief.  I can always run a small db on my synology ideally, or
> some cheap cloud instance.  Give me a reason to set up a Nebula
> 
> network to keep everything talking...
>
> I tried nextcloud on my synology, it was just weird to use - didn't like
> it.  Syncing files was problematic I found, really I just wanted to dump my
> phone pictures out between phone devices, and never could get it to work.
> I just sort of abandoned it years ago, but another thing perhaps to look at
> if there are features for password management.
>
> Never heard of BitWarden, but will look into it.
>
> Thanks Hans!
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 11:44 AM der.hans  wrote:
>
>> Am 24. May, 2020 schwätzte Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss so:
>>
>> moin moin,
>>
>> I have been happily using and giving presentations on KeePassX for more
>> than a decade. It isn't cloudy, so you have to provide your own sync. To
>> me this is good as it encourages different files for different reasons,
>> e.g. I have a travel file with just a few passwords, a file I share with
>> the family and files for different non-profits I work with.
>>
>> If you use KeePassX, I recommend the KeePassXC fork, but there's a
>> consistent lockup bug in the Ubuntu Bionic distro, so stick with KeePassX
>> there. Both are good, but KeePassXC has more people actively working on it
>> and is getting more updates.
>>
>> As to cloudy services, I tested two different password manager apps
>> available for NextCloud. I was going to use one for a project, but stopped
>> working on that project.
>>
>> There's also BitWarden. I haven't used it, but have gotten good reviews of
>> it from people at conferences.
>>
>> https://bitwarden.com/
>>
>> ciao,
>>
>> der.hans
>>
>> > I've been using LastPass for 5 years, as I purchased a 5yr subscription
>> > initially liking the product so much.  Since then, they've been through
>> > acquisition by LogMeIn/GoToMeeting, which I hate, first thing jacking
>> > prices, had security resets due to dubious levels of being hacked, and
>> just
>> > both the UI and the service have gotten worse over the past few years
>> since
>> > GTM bought them.  I don't trust it'll get better from here.
>> >
>> > What are you all using for password management, particularly full-time
>> > linux users?  I like the cloud sync options, but I really don't trust
>> any
>> > of these companies fully, and would like something easier to sync with
>> > across platforms minus a cloud.
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance!
>> >
>> > -mb
>> >
>>
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Re: Ebay port scans your pc on every visit.

[Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss]

That really gives a lot to think about at how many other sites are doing 
the same thing. But I close up ports that doesn't need to be open in 
order to make my system safe. You'd be surprised at how many ports are 
open that can leave a system open for attacks.


On 5/24/20 8:15 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/ebay-port-scans-visitors-computers-for-remote-access-programs/

This was a bit disturbing to read today.  Ebay injects a few 
javascript connections back to your requesting system, measures a 
basic socket connection, telling them if the port is open or not, 
amounting to effectively a local host port scan for specified ports, 
behind a firewall, from a web page you visited.  They are doing this 
looking for remote admin applications in fact, rdp, vnc, teamviewer, 
many others.  Hmm.


So any public website can query any port from visiting a web page, and 
possibly interact with any sort of local or other api on my system?


I wouldn't think Javascript would be allowed to chain off a host like 
that, or at least have protections from certain abuse.  I suppose it's 
valid if linking to another site, but JS/Browsers allowing local 
random port use like this, seems ebay is probably not the only ones to 
abuse this in certain ways.  I know you can do some interesting things 
with websockets, seems chaining  via same methods to remote interact 
would be trivial.


This is pretty devious actually, I'm both a bit scared for ebay, not 
to mention all the other sites I "trust", let alone the ones I don't.  
Everyone else that just allows pervasively javascript is just hozed.  
Which is standard for everyone since javascript existed.


I use noscript pervasively, and whitelist only valid sites.  Ebay is a 
valid site, didn't think I had to protect myself, but how would you 
protect against this?  Curious also the take from web dev's on this, 
other than thanks for the tip.  :)


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Ebay port scans your pc on every visit.

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/ebay-port-scans-visitors-computers-for-remote-access-programs/

This was a bit disturbing to read today.  Ebay injects a few javascript
connections back to your requesting system, measures a basic socket
connection, telling them if the port is open or not, amounting to
effectively a local host port scan for specified ports, behind a firewall,
from a web page you visited.  They are doing this looking for remote admin
applications in fact, rdp, vnc, teamviewer, many others.  Hmm.

So any public website can query any port from visiting a web page, and
possibly interact with any sort of local or other api on my system?

I wouldn't think Javascript would be allowed to chain off a host like that,
or at least have protections from certain abuse.  I suppose it's valid if
linking to another site, but JS/Browsers allowing local random port use
like this, seems ebay is probably not the only ones to abuse this in
certain ways.  I know you can do some interesting things with websockets,
seems chaining  via same methods to remote interact would be trivial.

This is pretty devious actually, I'm both a bit scared for ebay, not to
mention all the other sites I "trust", let alone the ones I don't.
Everyone else that just allows pervasively javascript is just hozed.  Which
is standard for everyone since javascript existed.

I use noscript pervasively, and whitelist only valid sites.  Ebay is a
valid site, didn't think I had to protect myself, but how would you protect
against this?  Curious also the take from web dev's on this, other than
thanks for the tip.  :)

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Browser Memory Madness

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

Interesting thing today, I noticed my computer going a bit crazy, and
looked at a background htop, found my system running at 58gb of ram usage,
which means, it's about to start OOM'ing.  I just upgraded from 32 to 64gb,
on my laptop, and this is the first uptime since I put in the new ram.

Trying to determine who's using all that from htop is hard, outside of
killing stuff, so I have some scripts I've used for years to kill all the
memory hogs individually.  Here's where I started.

[image: image.png]

I had Chromium open, limited, I moved to firefox, so only a few tabs.
Killing that gave me back like less than a gig back.  Good, because it's
the reason I moved to firefox.

[image: image.png]

Next I killed firefox.  It freed up some 35gb of ram.

[image: image.png]

Restarting Firefox with all 4 profiles, total of 8 windows, and 59 tabs, it
comes back up at 28-29gb of ram.

[image: image.png]

There's a Windoze 10vm still open with 8gb of memory (visio, project), a
ton of libreoffice docs, zoom, slack, teams, and text editors for the rest
of that 23gb of space in use.  This is pretty normal for me.

I sort of laugh when I hear systems using "only* 8gb or 16gb of ram, but
still makes me wonder why linux is such a memory hog and how windoze/mac
seem to make this work.

I hear so often "my computer is slow" or "I have to reboot all the time",
makes me wonder just if some pervasive resource perversion by the browser
vendors.  How do other systems *not* use this sort of memory consumption?
Seems when I open the floodgate with more ram, it just uses more.

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Re: Password Management Services

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

It's been a good while since looking at KeePassXC, but looks like it's come
a long way here.  The "database merge" function sounds interesting for what
I need, as well as it has a browser plugin it seems...  How good is the
question?  Lastpass in the browser is pretty sharp about noticing input
fields, referencing the right accounts, multi-computer sync, things like
that.

I used KeePass, and later KeePassX for a good 10 years or so before the
last 5yr of Lastpass, but it was always quirky to replicate between
computers (not to mention fscking mono).  It just didn't work when I had
3-4 separate systems that needed to work with it and rsyncing.  I'm used to
versioning and replicating my work data, which passwords are largely a part
of here, but if I make a change on my desktop, before I sync it to my
laptop while I'm on the road for a week or two, I have source of truth
issues and someone loses with no atomic updates in a flat file.

Moving to Lastpass fixed this, and holy crap, the browser plugins can
autofill?  Word.

Remove the cloud, it needs a database or api-sort of constant CRUD-type of
feed for all endpoint clients still ideally.  I can do this with VPN, but
not found something like a client/server application to replicate what
lastpass or onepass bring.  I'll have to see if KeePassXC does anything
like this, as simply rsync a flat file between hosts is never good, and has
caused me grief.  I can always run a small db on my synology ideally, or
some cheap cloud instance.  Give me a reason to set up a Nebula

network to keep everything talking...

I tried nextcloud on my synology, it was just weird to use - didn't like
it.  Syncing files was problematic I found, really I just wanted to dump my
phone pictures out between phone devices, and never could get it to work.
I just sort of abandoned it years ago, but another thing perhaps to look at
if there are features for password management.

Never heard of BitWarden, but will look into it.

Thanks Hans!

-mb


On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 11:44 AM der.hans  wrote:

> Am 24. May, 2020 schwätzte Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss so:
>
> moin moin,
>
> I have been happily using and giving presentations on KeePassX for more
> than a decade. It isn't cloudy, so you have to provide your own sync. To
> me this is good as it encourages different files for different reasons,
> e.g. I have a travel file with just a few passwords, a file I share with
> the family and files for different non-profits I work with.
>
> If you use KeePassX, I recommend the KeePassXC fork, but there's a
> consistent lockup bug in the Ubuntu Bionic distro, so stick with KeePassX
> there. Both are good, but KeePassXC has more people actively working on it
> and is getting more updates.
>
> As to cloudy services, I tested two different password manager apps
> available for NextCloud. I was going to use one for a project, but stopped
> working on that project.
>
> There's also BitWarden. I haven't used it, but have gotten good reviews of
> it from people at conferences.
>
> https://bitwarden.com/
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
>
> > I've been using LastPass for 5 years, as I purchased a 5yr subscription
> > initially liking the product so much.  Since then, they've been through
> > acquisition by LogMeIn/GoToMeeting, which I hate, first thing jacking
> > prices, had security resets due to dubious levels of being hacked, and
> just
> > both the UI and the service have gotten worse over the past few years
> since
> > GTM bought them.  I don't trust it'll get better from here.
> >
> > What are you all using for password management, particularly full-time
> > linux users?  I like the cloud sync options, but I really don't trust any
> > of these companies fully, and would like something easier to sync with
> > across platforms minus a cloud.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > -mb
> >
>
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Re: Synaptic question re Firefox

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Update via Firefox?

On Sun, May 24, 2020, 1:45 PM Joe Lowder via PLUG-discuss <
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> On my Linux Mint system (which is up to date), synaptic
> shows Firefox 66.0.3 as the latest version, as shown in
> this link image: https://upquick.com/temp/ffversion.jpg
>
> But as you can also see in that link image, when I open
> a google document with Firefox, I see the message that says
> "This version of Firefox is no longer supported."
>
> So what can I or should I do about that?
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Mint Application Launcher Menu question ...

[Joe Lowder via PLUG-discuss]

As you can see in this image link:

https://upquick.com/temp/gdoclink.jpg

On my Linux Mint Application Launcher Menu
there is a link for: "temp - Google Docs"

I don't know how that link got there, but I would like
to know how to add an additional link to open a second
or different google document to this launcher menu.

Also, how can I change what occurs when I click on that
link? For example, when I click on that "temp" link now,
if I have a chrome browser open, that "temp" document opens
as a new tab in that currently open chrome browser. But if
there is no chrome browser open, the "temp" link does not
open at all.

Also, how can I set that link to open in a new chrome window
or perhaps open into a firefox browser tab?

How could I achieve that?


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Synaptic question re Firefox

[Joe Lowder via PLUG-discuss]

On my Linux Mint system (which is up to date), synaptic
shows Firefox 66.0.3 as the latest version, as shown in
this link image: https://upquick.com/temp/ffversion.jpg

But as you can also see in that link image, when I open
a google document with Firefox, I see the message that says
"This version of Firefox is no longer supported."

So what can I or should I do about that?


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Re: Password Management Services

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Does keepassX have any good browser plugins?


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On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 11:44 AM der.hans via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Am 24. May, 2020 schwätzte Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss so:
>
> moin moin,
>
> I have been happily using and giving presentations on KeePassX for more
> than a decade. It isn't cloudy, so you have to provide your own sync. To
> me this is good as it encourages different files for different reasons,
> e.g. I have a travel file with just a few passwords, a file I share with
> the family and files for different non-profits I work with.
>
> If you use KeePassX, I recommend the KeePassXC fork, but there's a
> consistent lockup bug in the Ubuntu Bionic distro, so stick with KeePassX
> there. Both are good, but KeePassXC has more people actively working on it
> and is getting more updates.
>
> As to cloudy services, I tested two different password manager apps
> available for NextCloud. I was going to use one for a project, but stopped
> working on that project.
>
> There's also BitWarden. I haven't used it, but have gotten good reviews of
> it from people at conferences.
>
> https://bitwarden.com/
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
>
> > I've been using LastPass for 5 years, as I purchased a 5yr subscription
> > initially liking the product so much.  Since then, they've been through
> > acquisition by LogMeIn/GoToMeeting, which I hate, first thing jacking
> > prices, had security resets due to dubious levels of being hacked, and
> just
> > both the UI and the service have gotten worse over the past few years
> since
> > GTM bought them.  I don't trust it'll get better from here.
> >
> > What are you all using for password management, particularly full-time
> > linux users?  I like the cloud sync options, but I really don't trust any
> > of these companies fully, and would like something easier to sync with
> > across platforms minus a cloud.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > -mb
> >
>
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Re: NextCloud multiple account sync android

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Am 24. May, 2020 schwätzte Stephen Partington so:

moin moin,


Let's try a real answer instead of an empty email this time.

It should be as simple as adding an additional account. Choose add
folder/sync connection.


Thanks! Figured it out. the hamburger menu on the upper left brings up
a list of things to do with the current account. If you select the down
arrow on the account you're using it brings up an up arrow.


From there you can add accounts, manage accounts or now that I have

multiple accounts I can choose the other account.

Now I need to work on getting other NextCloud apps to use the proper
accounts :).

ciao,

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wrote:




On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 2:03 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss <
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moin moin,

I want to sync with multiple NextCloud accounts. I don't see a way in the
NextCloud android app to specify a different account.

Hopefully I'm just overlooking something.

Does anyone have NC sync from Android working with multiple accounts? If
so, how did you set it up?

ciao,

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Re: Password Management Services

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Am 24. May, 2020 schwätzte Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss so:

moin moin,

I have been happily using and giving presentations on KeePassX for more
than a decade. It isn't cloudy, so you have to provide your own sync. To
me this is good as it encourages different files for different reasons,
e.g. I have a travel file with just a few passwords, a file I share with
the family and files for different non-profits I work with.

If you use KeePassX, I recommend the KeePassXC fork, but there's a
consistent lockup bug in the Ubuntu Bionic distro, so stick with KeePassX
there. Both are good, but KeePassXC has more people actively working on it
and is getting more updates.

As to cloudy services, I tested two different password manager apps
available for NextCloud. I was going to use one for a project, but stopped
working on that project.

There's also BitWarden. I haven't used it, but have gotten good reviews of
it from people at conferences.

https://bitwarden.com/

ciao,

der.hans


I've been using LastPass for 5 years, as I purchased a 5yr subscription
initially liking the product so much.  Since then, they've been through
acquisition by LogMeIn/GoToMeeting, which I hate, first thing jacking
prices, had security resets due to dubious levels of being hacked, and just
both the UI and the service have gotten worse over the past few years since
GTM bought them.  I don't trust it'll get better from here.

What are you all using for password management, particularly full-time
linux users?  I like the cloud sync options, but I really don't trust any
of these companies fully, and would like something easier to sync with
across platforms minus a cloud.

Thanks in advance!

-mb



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Re: Password Management Services

[Ed via PLUG-discuss]

Keepass(xc) - It may be a fork of a fork of a...also, I like keeping
passwords in house. If you need it on the Intertubes, just push it up
to Tarsnap.  doubleplusgood

Have a Good Memorial Day everyone - much thanks and respect to all
that made this possible

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:38 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:
>
> I've been using LastPass for 5 years, as I purchased a 5yr subscription 
> initially liking the product so much.  Since then, they've been through 
> acquisition by LogMeIn/GoToMeeting, which I hate, first thing jacking prices, 
> had security resets due to dubious levels of being hacked, and just both the 
> UI and the service have gotten worse over the past few years since GTM bought 
> them.  I don't trust it'll get better from here.
>
> What are you all using for password management, particularly full-time linux 
> users?  I like the cloud sync options, but I really don't trust any of these 
> companies fully, and would like something easier to sync with across 
> platforms minus a cloud.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -mb
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Password Management Services

[Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss]

I've been using LastPass for 5 years, as I purchased a 5yr subscription
initially liking the product so much.  Since then, they've been through
acquisition by LogMeIn/GoToMeeting, which I hate, first thing jacking
prices, had security resets due to dubious levels of being hacked, and just
both the UI and the service have gotten worse over the past few years since
GTM bought them.  I don't trust it'll get better from here.

What are you all using for password management, particularly full-time
linux users?  I like the cloud sync options, but I really don't trust any
of these companies fully, and would like something easier to sync with
across platforms minus a cloud.

Thanks in advance!

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Re: NextCloud multiple account sync android

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Let's try a real answer instead of an empty email this time.

It should be as simple as adding an additional account. Choose add
folder/sync connection.



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On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 7:49 AM Stephen Partington 
wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 2:03 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> moin moin,
>>
>> I want to sync with multiple NextCloud accounts. I don't see a way in the
>> NextCloud android app to specify a different account.
>>
>> Hopefully I'm just overlooking something.
>>
>> Does anyone have NC sync from Android working with multiple accounts? If
>> so, how did you set it up?
>>
>> ciao,
>>
>> der.hans
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Re: NextCloud multiple account sync android

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 2:03 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> moin moin,
>
> I want to sync with multiple NextCloud accounts. I don't see a way in the
> NextCloud android app to specify a different account.
>
> Hopefully I'm just overlooking something.
>
> Does anyone have NC sync from Android working with multiple accounts? If
> so, how did you set it up?
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
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