Re: Housing
I presume "flash" == ssd of some sort, which yes, you can just get a bare usb disk enclosure, and use. You can do so for any 2.5 laptop drive, including ssd, as well as newer m.2 pci ssd drives. You just plug them into a usb port, and should show up like a normal drive. I have used them, they're handy. -mb On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 5:55 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > My dad was just telling me I could get old laptop flash and make a > drive with it. My little brain can't wrap itself around that. Anyone > know what he is talking about? > > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Housing
On 7/18/21 10:15 PM, Steven via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Perharps he was talking about turning an old laptop into a NAS? I've > occasionally thought about pulling out one of my old laptops and turning > it into a somewhat low power server with a built in battery backup good > enough for the OS to go, "Oh bleep! The power's out, if I start now I > just might have time to gracefully shut down." (I think my first laptop > was down to about seven minutes of battery life when I gave up on it) > > Advantages: > - You're not relying on the manufacturers choices of software and settings > - As mentioned, a built in battery backup > - You could run additional software beyond samba/nextcloud/syncthing, > such as a git server, web server, or your own local database server > > Disadvantages: > - Finding a good spot to put a laptop that's going to run 24/7 > - As mentioned, that built in battery backup is likely at low capacity > on an old laptop > - Most old laptops only have a single 2.5 inch drive bay > -- Sure you could attach external usb drives but those are additional > items taking up shelf/desk space > Using an old laptop as a NAS has its benefits, but you will need to invest heavily in USB-to-SATA enclosures, a high bandwidth USB hub, and enough wall sockets and physical space to hook them all up and store them. That is unless you just want to use it for a very low capacity (and very low redundancy) NAS. Hopefully whatever goes on it isn't irreplaceable. At the end of the day, its not really any more cost effective as just buying an old tower, other than the limited backup battery. Not to mention, depending on how old your laptop is, the battery or the battery charging circuit could be completely dead. I once had a System 76 laptop where the battery charging circuit was completely fried with no hope of repairing it short of a soldering iron and parts availability. But even if I got it working, they stopped making batteries for this particular laptop years ago, and even a new-in-box battery (if they still existed) were past their usable life. On the other hand, if you can forego the battery (not always possible), and disable the screen, you can potentially have a very low power system. Many laptops can run with only a couple of watts of power if the screen is off, the CPU is nearly idle, and there's no battery that needs to be charged. That's far, far less electricity than even the most energy-efficient NAS (other than perhaps a Raspberry Pi) without factoring in storage drives. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Housing
Perharps he was talking about turning an old laptop into a NAS? I've occasionally thought about pulling out one of my old laptops and turning it into a somewhat low power server with a built in battery backup good enough for the OS to go, "Oh bleep! The power's out, if I start now I just might have time to gracefully shut down." (I think my first laptop was down to about seven minutes of battery life when I gave up on it) Advantages: - You're not relying on the manufacturers choices of software and settings - As mentioned, a built in battery backup - You could run additional software beyond samba/nextcloud/syncthing, such as a git server, web server, or your own local database server Disadvantages: - Finding a good spot to put a laptop that's going to run 24/7 - As mentioned, that built in battery backup is likely at low capacity on an old laptop - Most old laptops only have a single 2.5 inch drive bay -- Sure you could attach external usb drives but those are additional items taking up shelf/desk space On 7/18/21 5:54 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: My dad was just telling me I could get old laptop flash and make a drive with it. My little brain can't wrap itself around that. Anyone know what he is talking about? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: LFS
Well, If I don't like it I can always compile sometnng else! On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 10:15 PM Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > If your looking for a smaller faster one. Have you thought about Xfce.. > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, at 19:05, Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > On 7/18/21 4:58 PM, Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > > Because it's more bloated as I see it. > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, at 16:33, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > >> You know I'm doing Linux From Scratch and I'm looking into Beyond > > >> Linux from Scratch. Well I look at KDE and I look at Gnome. Gnome has > > >> about twice the pAckages to compile. Why is that? > > > > > > From a bloat perspective, both are about equally bloated. > > > > However, KDE has incredible dependency-hell. Gnome is a bit more > > straight forward. > > --- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > -- > Harold Hartley > 17632 N. 5th place > Phoenix, AZ 85022 > wheelie...@ownmail.net > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Housing
I remember when they soldered some of them to the main board on some of those 486's... On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, at 19:06, Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss wrote: > On 7/18/21 5:54 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > My dad was just telling me I could get old laptop flash and make a > > drive with it. My little brain can't wrap itself around that. Anyone > > know what he is talking about? > > > > > Laptop hard drives are the same as desktop hard drives. You open the > laptop up, remove it, and you can reuse it on another machine (usually, > unless its soldered to the main board). > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Harold Hartley 17632 N. 5th place Phoenix, AZ 85022 wheelie...@ownmail.net --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: LFS
If your looking for a smaller faster one. Have you thought about Xfce.. On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, at 19:05, Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss wrote: > On 7/18/21 4:58 PM, Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > Because it's more bloated as I see it. > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, at 16:33, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: > >> You know I'm doing Linux From Scratch and I'm looking into Beyond > >> Linux from Scratch. Well I look at KDE and I look at Gnome. Gnome has > >> about twice the pAckages to compile. Why is that? > > > From a bloat perspective, both are about equally bloated. > > However, KDE has incredible dependency-hell. Gnome is a bit more > straight forward. > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Harold Hartley 17632 N. 5th place Phoenix, AZ 85022 wheelie...@ownmail.net --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Housing
On 7/18/21 5:54 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: > My dad was just telling me I could get old laptop flash and make a > drive with it. My little brain can't wrap itself around that. Anyone > know what he is talking about? > Laptop hard drives are the same as desktop hard drives. You open the laptop up, remove it, and you can reuse it on another machine (usually, unless its soldered to the main board). --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: LFS
On 7/18/21 4:58 PM, Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Because it's more bloated as I see it. > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, at 16:33, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> You know I'm doing Linux From Scratch and I'm looking into Beyond >> Linux from Scratch. Well I look at KDE and I look at Gnome. Gnome has >> about twice the pAckages to compile. Why is that? From a bloat perspective, both are about equally bloated. However, KDE has incredible dependency-hell. Gnome is a bit more straight forward. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Housing
Erase an "old" laptop and put Linux on it? Thanks, Alexander. Sent from my Samsung S20+ 5G On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 17:55 Michael via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > My dad was just telling me I could get old laptop flash and make a > drive with it. My little brain can't wrap itself around that. Anyone > know what he is talking about? > > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Housing
My dad was just telling me I could get old laptop flash and make a drive with it. My little brain can't wrap itself around that. Anyone know what he is talking about? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: LFS
Because it's more bloated as I see it. On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, at 16:33, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: > You know I'm doing Linux From Scratch and I'm looking into Beyond > Linux from Scratch. Well I look at KDE and I look at Gnome. Gnome has > about twice the pAckages to compile. Why is that? > > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Harold Hartley 17632 N. 5th place Phoenix, AZ 85022 wheelie...@ownmail.net --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
LFS
You know I'm doing Linux From Scratch and I'm looking into Beyond Linux from Scratch. Well I look at KDE and I look at Gnome. Gnome has about twice the pAckages to compile. Why is that? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
