Re: Keyboard-Centric workflow: was GNOME or KDE?
Thanks, Steve! Just installed dmenu (actually dmenu_run) from the Debian repo, and it is great! My "keyboard centric" workflow up to now has simply been to launch programs with Alt-F2. This is waay better. Ever closer to getting rid of the darn mouse ... On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 7:18 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Joe Neglia via PLUG-discuss said on Wed, 23 Mar 2022 12:27:51 -0700 > > >Glad to see some love for LXDE. Been using it for many years now. It > >is simple and small. Would be interested in hearing more about your > >"keyboard centric workflow" for LXDE. I'm using xmodmap to emulate > >the beloved and venerable WordStar keyboard diamond to minimize mouse > >usage, but am curious what you are using. > > Hi Joe, > > The stuff I say here is applicable to any WM/DE (Window Manager or > Desktop Environment) that allows you to assign hotkeys to both WM/DE > functions and external commands, and LXDE is very definitely in that > set. > > The central tool of my keyboard centricity is a program called dmenu > from Suckless Tools. Dmenu takes a list as input, and narrows that list > as you type in letters. Via a shellscript, the list I give it is the > executable files on $PATH. My shellscript invokes dmenu to display > vertically instead of the default horizontally, and tells dmenu to > disregard capitalization in the letters I type and the list items it > rules out as I type more and more letters. If I want to abort the > dmenu operation, I press Escape, dmenu returns non-zero, and my > shellscript does nothing. I've assigned hotkey Shift+Ctrl+semicolon. > > I also use hotkeys for other things. > > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > March 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition > http://www.troubleshooters.com/mmm > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Keyboard-Centric workflow: was GNOME or KDE?
Joe Neglia via PLUG-discuss said on Wed, 23 Mar 2022 12:27:51 -0700 >Glad to see some love for LXDE. Been using it for many years now. It >is simple and small. Would be interested in hearing more about your >"keyboard centric workflow" for LXDE. I'm using xmodmap to emulate >the beloved and venerable WordStar keyboard diamond to minimize mouse >usage, but am curious what you are using. Hi Joe, The stuff I say here is applicable to any WM/DE (Window Manager or Desktop Environment) that allows you to assign hotkeys to both WM/DE functions and external commands, and LXDE is very definitely in that set. The central tool of my keyboard centricity is a program called dmenu from Suckless Tools. Dmenu takes a list as input, and narrows that list as you type in letters. Via a shellscript, the list I give it is the executable files on $PATH. My shellscript invokes dmenu to display vertically instead of the default horizontally, and tells dmenu to disregard capitalization in the letters I type and the list items it rules out as I type more and more letters. If I want to abort the dmenu operation, I press Escape, dmenu returns non-zero, and my shellscript does nothing. I've assigned hotkey Shift+Ctrl+semicolon. I also use hotkeys for other things. SteveT Steve Litt March 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mmm --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: GNOME or KDE?
I can give a 10 to 15 minute presentation showing off my no-frills Openbox workflow setup. SteveT Samuel Stavole-Carter via PLUG-discuss said on Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:40:51 -0700 >Seems to me like this thread could be a good topic for a presentation >for one of the PLUG sessions if anyone feels inspired. :) > >On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 3:16 PM Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss < >plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> On 2022-03-23 08:49, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 10:45 AM Brian Cluff wrote: >> >> Strictly speaking, yes you can install KDE and GNOME at the >> >> same time, but it can lead to the 2 desktops fighting for >> >> which desktop gets to handle settings on the other and which >> >> programs are the default as well as other quirks >> >> This seems like it shouldn't happen. However, I really can't speak >> from personal experience here since I have said "Gnope!" to GNOME >> since it went systemd-required. >> >> > This is very true, I have found if both are installed SDM handles >> > this better than LightDM and GDM (Personal experience only) >> >> Did you mean sddm? That is in x11-misc here, not part of KDE or >> GNOME, though it does depend on Qt and it's the default DM for KDE. >> It has a set of text config files in /usr/share/xsession/ that >> determine what gets executed. I currently have >> /etc/X11/Sessions/Xsession and /usr/bin/startplasma-x11 as available >> "what gets run after successful login" options. >> >> -- >> Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress >> There is no Darkness in Eternity >> But only Light too dim for us to see. >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: GNOME or KDE?
truly. mine doesn't have minimal overlapping but the one it does use (cursor)should be good enough (if I can remember what I set). lol On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 2:07 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Thanks for ending years of frustration. > > On 3/24/22 15:10, Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > Settings->Window Management->Window Behavior->Advanced. You may want > > a window placement of "minimal overlapping". That means a new > > application will show up in the place that has the least amount of > > stuff in it. Or maybe "centered" if you want all applications to show > > up in one place when you launch them. Try the various options, see > > which one works best? > > > > Also "allow KDE apps to remember the positions of their own windows" > > will probably help the KDE things remember where they're supposed to > > be. I could potentially have the TV as a second monitor here, but > > "mirror monitor to the TV" is a lot more practical AFAICT. > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: GNOME or KDE?
Thanks for ending years of frustration. On 3/24/22 15:10, Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss wrote: Settings->Window Management->Window Behavior->Advanced. You may want a window placement of "minimal overlapping". That means a new application will show up in the place that has the least amount of stuff in it. Or maybe "centered" if you want all applications to show up in one place when you launch them. Try the various options, see which one works best? Also "allow KDE apps to remember the positions of their own windows" will probably help the KDE things remember where they're supposed to be. I could potentially have the TV as a second monitor here, but "mirror monitor to the TV" is a lot more practical AFAICT. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: GNOME or KDE?
Many times I've gone online to find out how to configure something. I'll open a link and read somebody asking for help with an issue similar to the one I have. It seems like the first 47 comments are people saying not to do that and explaining how they think it's a bad idea. Finally, somebody answers the question that original poster asked. On 3/24/22 18:14, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> I never know on which monitor an application will launch in after I start it. Funny, this is one of my biggest complaints about KDE since the 4.x days. I use a thunderbolt dock for my 2 external displays, and occasionally will lose power or accidentally wiggle the laptop too much, power down the displays, or just want to save on power/heat to power off myself, all hell breaks loose. Often once they come back up, it'll do some random combination of one or all of 1) reverse the order of the displays, 2) reset all settings of my displays (like resolution/hz), 3) jumble every damn window of mine to random places, 4) move everything to one display only, and 5) resize all my windows only on my 3rd display only to be 1px wide. This is a 4k monitor with not very thick window borders to begin with to do so! Freakin' maddening, particularly #5 makes me want 5 finger death punch my display when I have to manually resize a few dozen windows on it! Even worse about #5 above, once I resize the window, if I try to move the window vs. resize it, it snaps like a rubberband to be 1px wide again. What the hell would you even begin with to troubleshoot *that*?. Is it kde base, kwin, video drivers/card, hdmi vs. displayport, mesa, or xorg? They all blame each other, or me for being fancy with my hardware, so I gave up trying. Trying to describe these to resolve in a bugtracker only nets me somewhere between a confused wtf sort of answer or "ohh, mr fancy with 3x 4k displays, none of us have that to test with, sorry not sorry". It's like that Dave Chappelle episode teaching customer service at the printers, "If the customer says they have windows, tell them you only know mac. If they say they have mac, tell them you only know windows. If they say they have windows and mac, tell them you only know linux!" I've tried gnome shell (hate it), cinnamon (tolerate it, has it's own display issues), mate (like it, but missing functionality I'm used to in Cinnamon and/or KDE), and unity (hated it, thankfully rip), still come back to KDE even with maddening persistent multi-monitor flaws for well over a decade now. I've tried xfce, i3, some others, but just never "got it". I am not a developer and understand why they prefer the tiling - I just don't work that way 98% of the time. I move windows lots, and keep a lot of apps open buried in layers, calling them forth from my dock as needed, for that KDE + Cairo-Dock work great, so long as I keep the displays powered up 24/7. -mb --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: GNOME or KDE?
Thanks. I'll try these options today. On 3/24/22 15:10, Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss wrote: On 2022-03-24 14:40, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote: I have Kubuntu installed on my machine. I like it but the only thing that bugs me about KDE is that I have 2 monitors on this machine and I never know on which monitor an application will launch in after I start it. Settings->Window Management->Window Behavior->Advanced. You may want a window placement of "minimal overlapping". That means a new application will show up in the place that has the least amount of stuff in it. Or maybe "centered" if you want all applications to show up in one place when you launch them. Try the various options, see which one works best? Also "allow KDE apps to remember the positions of their own windows" will probably help the KDE things remember where they're supposed to be. I could potentially have the TV as a second monitor here, but "mirror monitor to the TV" is a lot more practical AFAICT. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
