Re: Modular laptop concept
On 6/9/24 4:54 PM, Arun Khan wrote: A friend of mine has bought it and swears by the hardware flexibility (mix and match). I am contemplating it for my next laptop, although my 6-year-old Thinkpad is still going strong :) I got my Framework 16 a couple of months ago. Quite happy with it except for the battery life when under load, but with a dedicated GPU on board I'm not sure what I expected. It's definitely not a lightweight computer, but it's not so heavy that it's a bother. My only complaints besides the battery are minor nitpicks and not enough to diminish from the overall experience. Highly recommended if you can afford it. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Modular laptop concept
Am 18. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss so: moin moin Hawk, I would like to try one of these, but I’m not sure how much they cost. Also, are these windows or Lennox and if Lennox, will they run the The 13 was about $1300 for self-assemble. Pre-assembled is another 2 or 3 hundred dollars. They default to windows, but several Linux distributions are supported. I don't know about screen readers. For another install today I saw that the new LTS version of Ubuntu asked about accessibility and included screen reader as an option, but that was several screens in. ciao, der.hans screen reader orca? If Windows, will they accept NVDA? If other, what accessibility options are available. I’d like to get one of these just as a test case to see how well it actually works for me. – Eric From the offices of the Technomage guild, equipment, procurement, and testing department. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2024, at 6:58 PM, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote: Am 12. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss so: moin moin, "I haven't yet tried it in an airplane seat. Driver's seat of a car was annoying due to steering wheel, but passenger and back seats were fine." those pesky steering wheels getting in the way of real work, The car was parked and off, which made it fairly easy to switch to the passenger seat :). Passenger seat is also better for nap mode. Importantly with the Framework, it handled the heat just fine. It didn't fry my legs or overheat in an unairconditioned car. It's also done fine sitting out in the heat for our Summer afternoons and evenings. ciao, der.hans On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 10:14 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: Am 09. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss so: moin moin, I have several Framework (both AMD and Intel) laptops including the Framework 16 and they're great. Yeah there's some small fit an finish issues that some have pointed out but IMO is an acceptable tradeoff for being repairable and upgradable. How's the 16 for heft and mobility? I have the 13 and it's quite dainty. It's light and easy to use pretty well anywhere. I haven't yet tried it in an airplane seat. Driver's seat of a car was annoying due to steering wheel, but passenger and back seats were fine. It's also been fine for all the desktop stuff I've done on it. Haven't gone up over a few instances of Firefox running at the same time and have kept them all under 20 tabs, so it's been pretty light for browsing. I haven't yet started putting containers or databases on it, so haven't exercised it much that way either. If anything, the ability to change out the ports is great. Imagine the situation where you're sitting at a table, plugged in, and someone comes by and kicks your power cable ripping it out of the computer. In a lot of cases with other laptops, you're now going to have to replace that port as it's going to at the very least break the solder joints; and you're not going to be able to replace just that port as it's soldered to the motherboard. Now you have a $500+ repair minimum to replace the motherboard in your laptop. With the Framework, you likely just damaged the $10 expansion card. So you pull it out, replace it with another one, and move on with your day. Yeah, extra layer of protection. I just went for 4 USB C ports and the USB C hubs I always carry with me anyway. If the network port didn't stick out I'd get one of those. ciao, der.hans On Sun, Jun 9, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Arun Khan via PLUG-discuss wrote: On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 9:27 PM Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: On 2021-02-27 00:03, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: This actually looks rather cool, thought I'd share with fellow geeks. https://frame.work/ Might look at one of these if/when they come about. -mb How time flies. Three years later and Framework Computer Inc still seems to be going strong. A friend of mine has bought it and swears by the hardware flexibility (mix and match). I am contemplating it for my next laptop, although my 6-year-old Thinkpad is still going strong :) -- Arun Khan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- # https://www.SpiralArray.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # "No software design or plan survives contact with reality." # -- Lars Wirzenius, 2012Feb19 http://identi.ca/notice/90842065 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- # https://www.SpiralArray.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # "You want weapons? We're in a library! Books! The best weapons in the
Re: Ignore him, correct him offlist, or killfile him and move on
Guys, I am totally blind, and that’s partly due to traumatic brain injury back in 1989. I’ve also had my moments where I am exceedingly curse when it comes to some subjects. I also tend to be a little bit obsessive, compulsive, and that happens to be the autistic side of my nature which I’ve had all my life. I am a bit unusual, but science and technology are my thing so I tend not to ask too many questions because I’ve already done most of the research. However, sometimes research isn’t enough and I may end up having gas questions here. So, one should look past some of the commentary on here and recognize and realize those of us were traumatic brain. Injuries may not necessarily operate in a normal fashion. I happen to be one of the few exceptions because the area of the brain and question for me that was damaged with my visual cortex. Also, as an aside, I also have prosthetic eyes, so it doesn’t matter what my visual cortex does because I wouldn’t be able to perceive anything anyway. In any case, this really hasn’t slowed me down much in both the accessibility and Lennox fields. I’ve been writing a bunch of scripts, especially for . Comes in handy when I want to download a video from YouTube and then listen to it using VLC. Makes a lot easier than having to deal with the stupid app and their commercials. Anyway, that’s my opinion on this subject and now we should probably get back to Lennox and what it can be used for and how accessible it really is. – Eric From the central offices of the Technomage Guild, Opinions and research department. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 16, 2024, at 6:22 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > > I hear about and read about everyone wanting to get along. I am old enough > to know that is impossible. I tend to get political and my views are at odds > with some or maybe most on the list. > > Here is what I came to say. Shame on you all. You need to take an inventory > for what you have. Most of you can run me in the ground. I struggle with > technology. I always have. > > I talked with Mike about 10 years ago. Apparently you do not know that Mike > experienced a traumatic brain injury. > > Mike do not let this get to you. It is just junior and senior high BS. > > I've been on this list since 1999 or 2000. Some of the questions I ask are > probably annoying. I use Google and as of late have started using ChatGPT > (AI) to seek information. The latter seems to do a better job. > > I believe we are all here because of our common goal to work with, learn, and > enjoy Open Source - I know I am. I also know we do not live in a vacuum. > Other things overflow that are not Open Source. > > We are a community. I could go as far as to say we are a family. I heard a > pastor say once that families prepare us for the world. I guess families > have a lot of strife. > > Keith > > >> On 2024-06-15 22:54, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> There's been a long thread of people mocking somebody who asked a >> stupid question. Yeah, the guy's annoying; annoying Open Sourceenough that I >> piped >> all his posts to /dev/null starting two or three years ago. This thread >> worsens the list's signal to noise, and personally, it constantly >> reminds me of the annoying person I killfiled years ago. >> I have a suggestion. If the guy annoys you, either ignore him, correct >> him offlist, or killfile him and move on. There's no need to mess up >> the list with mockery. Whether you believe, as I do, that he's an >> attention seeking troll who thinks his stupidity is cute, or whether >> you believe his behavior is entirely caused by some sort of brain >> injury, either way, the on-list mockery does no good for anybody. >> Ignore him, correct him offlist, or killfile him and move on. >> SteveT >> Steve Litt >> Autumn 2023 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: VMware Workstation Pro: Now Available Free for Personal Use
I’m going to have to check with a few people I know on a couple of other mailing list such as Blind – apples and [MacVisionaries]. Those guys have missed around with VMware on Apple equipment (which I happen to be running currently) and they’ve been able to use Lennox with a screen reader from inside the VMware session. Mostly, I’m gonna have to get the keyboard shortcuts so that I can actually interact inside said VMware session. It would be nice to be able to run Lennox here again on something other than its own tiny little laptop, which is significantly underpowered and therefore overworked. – Eric From the central offices of the Technomage guild, Virtual machines and research department. Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2024, at 6:41 AM, Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > > > https://blogs.vmware.com/workstation/2024/05/vmware-workstation-pro-now-available-free-for-personal-use.html > > All the talk in a thread and using Virtual Box reminded me of this story I > heard any yesterday. Personally, I've always preferred VMWare Workstation > over VirtualBox, and have Even purchased my own pro license twice in the > past, but now it's free! > > > -- > Thanks, > Alexander > > Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Modular laptop concept
I would like to try one of these, but I’m not sure how much they cost. Also, are these windows or Lennox and if Lennox, will they run the screen reader orca? If Windows, will they accept NVDA? If other, what accessibility options are available. I’d like to get one of these just as a test case to see how well it actually works for me. – Eric From the offices of the Technomage guild, equipment, procurement, and testing department. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2024, at 6:58 PM, der.hans via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > > Am 12. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss so: > > moin moin, > >> "I haven't yet tried it in an airplane seat. Driver's seat of a car was >> annoying due to steering wheel, but passenger and back seats were fine." >> >> those pesky steering wheels getting in the way of real work, > > The car was parked and off, which made it fairly easy to switch to the > passenger seat :). > > Passenger seat is also better for nap mode. > > Importantly with the Framework, it handled the heat just fine. It didn't > fry my legs or overheat in an unairconditioned car. It's also done fine > sitting out in the heat for our Summer afternoons and evenings. > > ciao, > > der.hans > >>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 10:14 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss < >>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >>> >>> Am 09. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss so: >>> >>> moin moin, >>> I have several Framework (both AMD and Intel) laptops including the Framework 16 and they're great. Yeah there's some small fit an finish issues that some have pointed out but IMO is an acceptable tradeoff for being repairable and upgradable. >>> >>> How's the 16 for heft and mobility? >>> >>> I have the 13 and it's quite dainty. It's light and easy to use pretty >>> well anywhere. >>> >>> I haven't yet tried it in an airplane seat. Driver's seat of a car was >>> annoying due to steering wheel, but passenger and back seats were fine. >>> >>> It's also been fine for all the desktop stuff I've done on it. Haven't >>> gone up over a few instances of Firefox running at the same time and have >>> kept them all under 20 tabs, so it's been pretty light for browsing. >>> >>> I haven't yet started putting containers or databases on it, so haven't >>> exercised it much that way either. >>> If anything, the ability to change out the ports is great. Imagine the situation where you're sitting at a table, plugged in, and someone comes by and kicks your power cable ripping it out of the computer. In a lot of cases with other laptops, you're now going to have to replace that port as it's going to at the very least break the solder joints; and you're not going to be able to replace just that port as it's soldered to the motherboard. Now you have a $500+ repair minimum to replace the motherboard in your laptop. With the Framework, you likely just damaged the $10 expansion card. So you pull it out, replace it with another one, and move on with your day. >>> >>> Yeah, extra layer of protection. >>> >>> I just went for 4 USB C ports and the USB C hubs I always carry with me >>> anyway. If the network port didn't stick out I'd get one of those. >>> >>> ciao, >>> >>> der.hans >>> On Sun, Jun 9, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Arun Khan via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 9:27 PM Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss < >>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >> On 2021-02-27 00:03, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>> This actually looks rather cool, thought I'd share with fellow geeks. >>> >>> https://frame.work/ >>> >>> Might look at one of these if/when they come about. >>> >>> -mb >> >> How time flies. Three years later and Framework Computer Inc still >>> seems >> to be going strong. > > A friend of mine has bought it and swears by the hardware flexibility >>> (mix and match). > I am contemplating it for my next laptop, although my 6-year-old >>> Thinkpad is still going strong :) > > -- > Arun Khan > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>> >>> -- >>> # https://www.SpiralArray.com https://www.PhxLinux.org >>> # "No software design or plan survives contact with reality." >>> # -- Lars Wirzenius, 2012Feb19 http://identi.ca/notice/90842065 >>> --- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >> >> >> > > -- > # https://www.SpiralArray.com https://www.PhxLinux.org > # "You want weapons? We're in a library! Books!
Re: Framework getting interesting again
>From the blog post: > This Mainboard is extremely compelling, but we want to be clear that in this > generation, it is focused primarily on enabling developers, tinkerers, and > hobbyists to start testing and creating on RISC-V. The peripheral set and > performance aren’t yet competitive with our Intel and AMD-powered Framework > Laptop Mainboards. *This board also has soldered memory and uses MicroSD > cards and eMMC for storage, both of which are limitations of the processor. > *It is a great way to start playing with RISC-V though inside of a thin, > light, refined laptop. Also, it's not very powerful; a Raspberry Pi 4 blows it out of the water: https://www.phoronix.com/review/visionfive2-riscv-benchmarks Unless you're just wanting to tinker with RISC-V, this isn't going to be your next laptop. On Tue, Jun 18, 2024, at 7:01 PM, Austin Godber via PLUG-discuss wrote: > I was hoping for an ARM option. > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 6:35 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss > wrote: >> Am 18. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss so: >> >> moin moin, >> >> > https://frame.work/blog/introducing-a-new-risc-v-mainboard-from-deepcomputing >> > >> > So now they have a RISC V CPU option coming... Interesting. >> >> Cool. It'd be fun to play with that :) >> >> More importantly to me, it's partner developed hardware. It shows >> Framework trying to build an ecosystem around modular hardware. >> >> ciao, >> >> der.hans >> -- >> # https://www.SpiralArray.com https://www.PhxLinux.org >> # "It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." >> # -- Albert Einstein--- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Framework getting interesting again
I was hoping for an ARM option. On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 6:35 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Am 18. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss so: > > moin moin, > > > > https://frame.work/blog/introducing-a-new-risc-v-mainboard-from-deepcomputing > > > > So now they have a RISC V CPU option coming... Interesting. > > Cool. It'd be fun to play with that :) > > More importantly to me, it's partner developed hardware. It shows > Framework trying to build an ecosystem around modular hardware. > > ciao, > > der.hans > -- > # https://www.SpiralArray.com https://www.PhxLinux.org > # "It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." > # -- Albert Einstein--- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Modular laptop concept
Am 12. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss so: moin moin, "I haven't yet tried it in an airplane seat. Driver's seat of a car was annoying due to steering wheel, but passenger and back seats were fine." those pesky steering wheels getting in the way of real work, The car was parked and off, which made it fairly easy to switch to the passenger seat :). Passenger seat is also better for nap mode. Importantly with the Framework, it handled the heat just fine. It didn't fry my legs or overheat in an unairconditioned car. It's also done fine sitting out in the heat for our Summer afternoons and evenings. ciao, der.hans On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 10:14 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: Am 09. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss so: moin moin, I have several Framework (both AMD and Intel) laptops including the Framework 16 and they're great. Yeah there's some small fit an finish issues that some have pointed out but IMO is an acceptable tradeoff for being repairable and upgradable. How's the 16 for heft and mobility? I have the 13 and it's quite dainty. It's light and easy to use pretty well anywhere. I haven't yet tried it in an airplane seat. Driver's seat of a car was annoying due to steering wheel, but passenger and back seats were fine. It's also been fine for all the desktop stuff I've done on it. Haven't gone up over a few instances of Firefox running at the same time and have kept them all under 20 tabs, so it's been pretty light for browsing. I haven't yet started putting containers or databases on it, so haven't exercised it much that way either. If anything, the ability to change out the ports is great. Imagine the situation where you're sitting at a table, plugged in, and someone comes by and kicks your power cable ripping it out of the computer. In a lot of cases with other laptops, you're now going to have to replace that port as it's going to at the very least break the solder joints; and you're not going to be able to replace just that port as it's soldered to the motherboard. Now you have a $500+ repair minimum to replace the motherboard in your laptop. With the Framework, you likely just damaged the $10 expansion card. So you pull it out, replace it with another one, and move on with your day. Yeah, extra layer of protection. I just went for 4 USB C ports and the USB C hubs I always carry with me anyway. If the network port didn't stick out I'd get one of those. ciao, der.hans On Sun, Jun 9, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Arun Khan via PLUG-discuss wrote: On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 9:27 PM Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: On 2021-02-27 00:03, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: This actually looks rather cool, thought I'd share with fellow geeks. https://frame.work/ Might look at one of these if/when they come about. -mb How time flies. Three years later and Framework Computer Inc still seems to be going strong. A friend of mine has bought it and swears by the hardware flexibility (mix and match). I am contemplating it for my next laptop, although my 6-year-old Thinkpad is still going strong :) -- Arun Khan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- # https://www.SpiralArray.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # "No software design or plan survives contact with reality." # -- Lars Wirzenius, 2012Feb19 http://identi.ca/notice/90842065 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- # https://www.SpiralArray.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # "You want weapons? We're in a library! Books! The best weapons in the # world! This room's the greatest arsenal we could have - arm yourselves!" # -- the Doctor: Doctor Who, Tooth and Claw, 2006--- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Framework getting interesting again
Am 18. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss so: moin moin, https://frame.work/blog/introducing-a-new-risc-v-mainboard-from-deepcomputing So now they have a RISC V CPU option coming... Interesting. Cool. It'd be fun to play with that :) More importantly to me, it's partner developed hardware. It shows Framework trying to build an ecosystem around modular hardware. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.SpiralArray.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # "It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." # -- Albert Einstein--- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Stammtisch - on my wayish
moin moin, shop has a loaner for me, so I should be able to make it to Stammtisch afterall. ciao, der.hans -- # https://www.SpiralArray.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # veni, vidi, wiki - I came, I saw, I documented --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Framework getting interesting again
https://frame.work/blog/introducing-a-new-risc-v-mainboard-from-deepcomputing So now they have a RISC V CPU option coming... Interesting. -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
