Re: I don't know what to do.

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

Play a game called Factorio.

On Fri, Jun 14, 2024, 2:34 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
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> Any ideas?
>
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Re: Firefox and VM

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

Flatpak is an alternate to snap.
Try them both out and see what you like best.

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 6:22 PM Ted Gould via PLUG-discuss <
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> On Nov 29 2023, at 3:34 pm, Steve B via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
> Is anyone here doing something similar? Looking for suggestions as to
> which OS to use.
>
>
> Not a VM, but I just use the Snap version of Firefox which runs it under
> Apparmor and a bunch of other filesystem chroots. That's on Ubuntu. You'd
> have to make sure the Snap setup for your distro has confinement setup
> correctly.
>
> Also, if you run your other desktop apps as Snaps you get that same
> confinement on those.
>
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Re: Stammtisch Tuesday

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

No, We don't think the disease itself is political, Although it might be
kind of cute to imagine little germs all standing in line waiting to vote
on their favorite mass killer We think that people have used it for
political purposes.

If it's my own volition I will happily mask up on occasion. The logic of
masking while eating in between bites is stupid. Either mask up and stay
masked up, or don't bother masking up in the first place. If we're really
worried about someone contracting a disease, we shouldn't be meeting in a
public space where we might interact with someone else who has a disease.

Let's not pull Christians into anything for there are Jews, Muslims,
Hindis, Buddhists, Atheists, and etc. etc. that have their own opinions on
things like masks and a few other topics.

I try to look out for people in my sphere of influence, for instance I'm
going to help a little old lady with some yard work this weekend, Just
because my way of looking out for others isn't what you want it to be,
doesn't mean I don't look out for others.

I hope you have a good and blessed day. Stay safe out there.

-M

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 12:34 PM Nathan via PLUG-discuss <
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> What's crazy is there are still people who think a disease/virus is
> political.
>
> What's really crazy is there are people who think doing anything even
> slightly
> inconvenient for the sake/well being/health of others is political.
>
> What's really really crazy is those same people consider themselves to be
> Christians.
>
> More sad than crazy that we need a reason to look out for others well
> being
> rather than doing so by default, but what do I know.
>
>
> On Tuesday, 21 November 2023 12:47:26 CST Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > I wonder who these medical professionals are, if the masks are only 2%
> > effective while adding other issues. Why is it that doctors have been
> > wearing them during surgery forever? You you would think someone in the
> > medical profession would have blown the whistle a long time ago at least
> > way before COVID.
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Re: Stammtisch Tuesday

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

Does Stammtish even see anyone? Seems kind of dead.

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:56 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
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> Ok,
>
> I get it.  However I have also read that some medical professionals say
> the mask is only 2% effective while adding other issues.
>
> Basically Covid is the Flu and has become a political issue.  I could
> write a book about all the stuff I've read.
>
> Hope your friends feel better.
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> On 2023-11-21 08:36, der.hans wrote:
> > Am 21. Nov, 2023 schwätzte Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss so:
> >
> > moin moin,
> >
> >> Has masking become mandatory again?
> >
> > PLUG has members with immunity compromising health issues. I want them
> > to
> > be welcome to participate as well.
> >
> > The courtesy of masking shows consideration for those with underlying
> > health concerns.
> >
> > Covid and RSV are still very active. Friends of mine were just out for
> > a
> > week with RSV.
> >
> > The precaution of masking helps reduce spread of these dangerous
> > illnesses.
> >
> > ciao,
> >
> > der.hans
> >
> >> On 2023-11-20 21:52, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>> moin moin,
> >>>
> >>> Stammtisch is Tuesday at Boulders on Southern starting at 19:00.
> >>>
> >>> I'm going to try to be there, on call willing.
> >>>
> >>> Physical location - Boulders on Southern, 1010 W Southern Ave, Mesa,
> >>> AZ
> >>>
> >>> Please mask when not eating
> >>>
> >>> Covid is not over, I want Stammtisch to be a relatively safe event
> >>> for
> >>> everyone
> >>>
> >>> Masking is a good way to help protect others
> >>>
> >>> If you are not feeling well, please stay home. You could join us in
> >>> #BBB
> >>>
> >>> https://lufthans.bigbluemeeting.com/plu-yuk-7xx
> >>>
> >>> ciao,
> >>>
> >>> der.hans
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Re: Kernel Panic

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

Have you done a nuke and pave install or are you limping your /home along?
you could have some form of corrupted config file in your home that might
be causing problems. worth a thought. and a stroll through your home dir.

Thanks for the update. Keep up the troubleshooting spirit!

TTFN
Matthew

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 10:23 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I spoke too soon. It boot into busybox this morning. So it is looking like
> it is the hard drive after all. One mor operating system to try before I
> buy the new hard drive. I was told arch works best so (while not arch)
> manjaro is what I will try. I tried to install arch but it failed while I
> was installing it.
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 5:12 AM Michael  wrote:
>
>> okay, here is a little update. I installed 20.3 and ran it like two days
>> with no busybox error. I then update the operating system (not
>> dist-upgrade) and the next boot gave the hardware splashscreen and then it
>> went black. So I can live with the computer but can't update it. Oh well.
>> It will only be for a year!
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 6:30 PM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> eh. Just pointed you in the right direction. Good luck in your
>>> distro-hop.
>>>
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 3:28 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks so much for taking the time out of your day to teach me how I
>>>> should have looked into the error  and you solved my problem. So I’ll
>>>> distro hop till I find something that doesn’t panic.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 5:21 PM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss <
>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Salutations.
>>>>> Taking a peek at a quick internet search for the keywords "initramfs
>>>>> zstd compression" and perusing the listings with the knowledge that 
>>>>> Michael
>>>>> is using Mint21 (I'm assuming it's similarly labeled following it's parent
>>>>> of Ubuntu) it seems likely that there is an issue with the compression
>>>>> being run on that particular hardware. Then I found this article by
>>>>> Phoronix which gives added weight to the theory that it is a compression
>>>>> problem: Ubuntu Rethinking Its Initramfs Compression Strategy -
>>>>> Phoronix
>>>>> <https://www.phoronix.com/news/Ubuntu-Initramfs-Zstd-Too-High>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's likely that Mint22 or even Ubuntu21.xx LTS will not have the same
>>>>> problem. That's just my theory though. Use at your own discretion.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for this little jewel of disdain ridden text: "Who ever needed init
>>>>> system support before systemd?" Literally anyone who wasn't familiar with
>>>>> the technology and didn't RTFM.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just the thoughts of a Gentoo-Juvenile-now-Fedora-Adult.
>>>>> Michael, Hope you find a solution you like for your woes.
>>>>> Steve, Stay Sassy friend.
>>>>>
>>>>> TTFN
>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 1:13 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
>>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 19:47 +, T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > You could go to a distro which has something other than systemd for
>>>>>> init,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes yes yes yes, YES!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > but recognize  you will be missing some features (which could
>>>>>> probably be done
>>>>>> > with something else), the daemon services will be written and
>>>>>> managed differently,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> s/differently/better/ in the case of the runit init system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > and there are a lot fewer people available for support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who ever needed init system support before systemd?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Unfortunately, a bit of FLOSSware is written with the assumption
>>>>>> you&

Re: Kernel Panic

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

eh. Just pointed you in the right direction. Good luck in your distro-hop.

Matthew

On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 3:28 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Thanks so much for taking the time out of your day to teach me how I
> should have looked into the error  and you solved my problem. So I’ll
> distro hop till I find something that doesn’t panic.
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 5:21 PM Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Salutations.
>> Taking a peek at a quick internet search for the keywords "initramfs zstd
>> compression" and perusing the listings with the knowledge that Michael is
>> using Mint21 (I'm assuming it's similarly labeled following it's parent of
>> Ubuntu) it seems likely that there is an issue with the compression being
>> run on that particular hardware. Then I found this article by Phoronix
>> which gives added weight to the theory that it is a compression problem: 
>> Ubuntu
>> Rethinking Its Initramfs Compression Strategy - Phoronix
>> <https://www.phoronix.com/news/Ubuntu-Initramfs-Zstd-Too-High>
>>
>> It's likely that Mint22 or even Ubuntu21.xx LTS will not have the same
>> problem. That's just my theory though. Use at your own discretion.
>>
>> As for this little jewel of disdain ridden text: "Who ever needed init
>> system support before systemd?" Literally anyone who wasn't familiar with
>> the technology and didn't RTFM.
>>
>> Just the thoughts of a Gentoo-Juvenile-now-Fedora-Adult.
>> Michael, Hope you find a solution you like for your woes.
>> Steve, Stay Sassy friend.
>>
>> TTFN
>> Matthew
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 1:13 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 19:47 +, T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > You could go to a distro which has something other than systemd for
>>> init,
>>>
>>> Yes yes yes yes, YES!!!
>>>
>>> > but recognize  you will be missing some features (which could probably
>>> be done
>>> > with something else), the daemon services will be written and managed
>>> differently,
>>>
>>> s/differently/better/ in the case of the runit init system.
>>>
>>> > and there are a lot fewer people available for support.
>>>
>>> Who ever needed init system support before systemd?
>>>
>>> > Unfortunately, a bit of FLOSSware is written with the assumption
>>> you're using
>>> > systemd.
>>>
>>> Who needs Gnome and the Snap packager anyway?
>>>
>>> > I tried Artix for a hot minute but decided ultimately it wasn't for me
>>> because
>>> > either a) I am dependent on the distributers to maintain their
>>> repositories which
>>> > are often missing packages for configuring daemon services or b) I
>>> would be
>>> > compiling packages for myself and writing my own init scripts.
>>>
>>> Try Void Linux. All major software, and even some minor software, is
>>> supported. Void
>>> uses the Runit init system. With runit, writing your own init scripts
>>> (called run
>>> scripts) is trivial --- easier than writing a systemd Unit File.
>>>
>>> Note that the s6 init system is a little more complicated and
>>> featureful, but what I
>>> said about runit is true of s6 too.
>>>
>>> SteveT
>>> A happy Void and Runit user for 7 years
>>>
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Re: Kernel Panic

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

Salutations.
Taking a peek at a quick internet search for the keywords "initramfs zstd
compression" and perusing the listings with the knowledge that Michael is
using Mint21 (I'm assuming it's similarly labeled following it's parent of
Ubuntu) it seems likely that there is an issue with the compression being
run on that particular hardware. Then I found this article by Phoronix
which gives added weight to the theory that it is a compression problem: Ubuntu
Rethinking Its Initramfs Compression Strategy - Phoronix


It's likely that Mint22 or even Ubuntu21.xx LTS will not have the same
problem. That's just my theory though. Use at your own discretion.

As for this little jewel of disdain ridden text: "Who ever needed init
system support before systemd?" Literally anyone who wasn't familiar with
the technology and didn't RTFM.

Just the thoughts of a Gentoo-Juvenile-now-Fedora-Adult.
Michael, Hope you find a solution you like for your woes.
Steve, Stay Sassy friend.

TTFN
Matthew

On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 1:13 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 19:47 +, T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >
> > You could go to a distro which has something other than systemd for
> init,
>
> Yes yes yes yes, YES!!!
>
> > but recognize  you will be missing some features (which could probably
> be done
> > with something else), the daemon services will be written and managed
> differently,
>
> s/differently/better/ in the case of the runit init system.
>
> > and there are a lot fewer people available for support.
>
> Who ever needed init system support before systemd?
>
> > Unfortunately, a bit of FLOSSware is written with the assumption you're
> using
> > systemd.
>
> Who needs Gnome and the Snap packager anyway?
>
> > I tried Artix for a hot minute but decided ultimately it wasn't for me
> because
> > either a) I am dependent on the distributers to maintain their
> repositories which
> > are often missing packages for configuring daemon services or b) I would
> be
> > compiling packages for myself and writing my own init scripts.
>
> Try Void Linux. All major software, and even some minor software, is
> supported. Void
> uses the Runit init system. With runit, writing your own init scripts
> (called run
> scripts) is trivial --- easier than writing a systemd Unit File.
>
> Note that the s6 init system is a little more complicated and featureful,
> but what I
> said about runit is true of s6 too.
>
> SteveT
> A happy Void and Runit user for 7 years
>
>
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Re: Old Rack Server ...

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

I was merely offering to help transport it to an interested party. I myself
am not interested in a rack mounted server. As I have no rack for it.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 12:37 PM Harold Hartley 
wrote:

> Yes I am interested in the server.
> On 4/13/22 12:36, Snyder, Alexander J wrote:
>
> So anyway, LOL -- I'm the one with the server!
>
> I'm in the East Valley. NW Gilbert.
> McQueen/Guadalupe.
>
> Harold was first, so he has priority if he chooses. Matt is next, if
> Harold declines.
>
> Thanks,
> Alexander
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 09:52 Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> You see my address on my emails showing I live in Phoenix.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, at 09:49, Matthew Gibson wrote:
>> > In the Phoenix Valley, no conditions. Outside the Phoenix valley, help
>> > with gas money or a soda pop or two. Outside Arizona... we'd  need to
>> > discuss times, locations, etc.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 9:45 AM Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss
>> >  wrote:
>> >> What condition is that.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, at 09:37, Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> >> > I'm happy to help facilitate a transfer of equipment if an
>> arrangement
>> >> > hasn't been made yet. Certain conditions apply.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 8:49 AM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss
>> >> >  wrote:
>> >> >> Community --
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have an old SuperMicro rack server that I'm looking to either
>> donate or correctly recycle.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I tried to sell it for parts on here so time back -- which garnered
>> no interest -- and now it's just sitting in my garage taking up space.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I would like to donate it to anyone interested, obviously free of
>> charge (*you just have to come to get it*) -- or if someone can please
>> recommend a quality electronics recycling center they have used, preferably
>> in the East Valley -- that would be much appreciated.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
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>> >> >> Alex.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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Re: Old Rack Server ...

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

In the Phoenix Valley, no conditions. Outside the Phoenix valley, help with
gas money or a soda pop or two. Outside Arizona... we'd  need to discuss
times, locations, etc.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 9:45 AM Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss <
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> What condition is that.
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, at 09:37, Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > I'm happy to help facilitate a transfer of equipment if an arrangement
> > hasn't been made yet. Certain conditions apply.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 8:49 AM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss
> >  wrote:
> >> Community --
> >>
> >> I have an old SuperMicro rack server that I'm looking to either donate
> or correctly recycle.
> >>
> >> I tried to sell it for parts on here so time back -- which garnered no
> interest -- and now it's just sitting in my garage taking up space.
> >>
> >> I would like to donate it to anyone interested, obviously free of
> charge (*you just have to come to get it*) -- or if someone can please
> recommend a quality electronics recycling center they have used, preferably
> in the East Valley -- that would be much appreciated.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks,
> >> Alex.
> >>
> >>
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Re: Old Rack Server ...

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

I'm happy to help facilitate a transfer of equipment if an arrangement
hasn't been made yet. Certain conditions apply.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 8:49 AM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Community --
>
> I have an old SuperMicro rack server that I'm looking to either donate or
> correctly recycle.
>
> I tried to sell it for parts on here so time back -- which garnered no
> interest -- and now it's just sitting in my garage taking up space.
>
> I would like to donate it to anyone interested, obviously free of charge (*you
> just have to come to get it*) -- or if someone can please recommend a
> quality electronics recycling center they have used, preferably in the East
> Valley -- that would be much appreciated.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Alex.
>
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Re: Ubuntu moving to rolling releases

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

As someone who cut their linux teeth on Gentoo, This is good news. The
option to have the most up to date software is a boon to all users. As for
the dreaded monthly or when-ever-user-gets-around-to-it updates/upgrades.
It's usually a simple task to ping the server and see what needs updating.
Then you can execute the update at your leisure.

-Matt

On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 8:52 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> This is interesting news - ubuntu moving to rolling releases.
>
>
> https://www.neowin.net/news/ubuntu-becomes-a-rolling-release-with-rolling-rhino/
>
> This is largely what drove me to using arch, as every release upgrade of
> ubuntu was a goddamn nightmare, and haven't really considered ubuntu
> outside of purpose-built (and destructible) vm servers since.  My love of
> arch is not without issues, upgrades can be painful at times too unless
> you're the kind to reboot often and upgrade weekly, but just isn't how I
> work, so interested how ubuntu fares with the rolling releases.
>
> -mb
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Re: ot - gas price

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

I tell you what, let's not discuss politics in an email chain. If you wanna
talk politics, let's join up for beers or sodas and we can have a
discussion about the goings on in world and local news. It's  too easy to
get mad and pull out the keyboard warrior mentality in email. It's not
productive. I'm open to meeting up though somewhere for drinks and
discussion. Anybody else?

Matt

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 8:24 PM JD Austin via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Show them you get your news from only one side without telling them... (I
> couldn't resist):
> https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
> Looks like you're living in an echo chamber of mostly one bias which is
> just opposite of Greg's.
>
>- https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias
>- https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/
>- https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/
>- https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/
>- The convenience.org link seems to be a blog of some sort for the
>NACS magazine. It seems mostly balanced on bias from what I can tell.
>The reason "Donald Trump was a relative success story, with prices
>climbing a mere 6 cents during his time in office ($2.33 on Jan. 23,
>2017; $2.39 on Jan. 25, 2021)." is because he opened domestic oil
>production to offset when foreign sources reduce the oil supply for our
>refineries. Biden shut it down again.
>
> It doesn't take a huge stretch of logic to understand that shutting down
> domestic crude oil in place and pipelines in development adversely
> affected the price of fuel in America.
> When Biden shut down domestic oil and pipelines to get oil from closer
> sources we lost all the control he had over the topic since we rely on
> foreign sources which might not really be so friendly to America
> otherwise.  I agree that it's not all Biden's fault... our house and
> senate made a mess of this country playing politics and I don't have a ton
> of faith in their leadership.  Only 2 years until it gets really ugly again.
>
> JD
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:05 PM Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot.
>>
>>
>> https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/dont-blame-biden-for-gas-prices.html
>>
>> https://www.convenience.org/Media/conveniencecorner/Does-the-President-Control-Gas-Prices
>>
>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-higher-gas-prices-due-national-and-seasonal-demand/5253346001/
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-biden-gas.html
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/
>>
>> On 3/17/22 17:12, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>
>> Lets go Brandon!
>>
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Re: Seeking a Jr/Mid MySQL Database Admin - Remote work. Must know Linux

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

Bryan,

Is this still open?
I don't have much if any experience with databases, But I have a firm grasp
of linux and am willing to quickly learn database management and python
programming.

-Matt

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 5:24 PM Bryan O'Neal via PLUG-discuss <
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> Must be able to script in bash, preferably program in python or go.
> Must know something about relational databases, preferably MySQL - Like
> can you dump/import/set up replication? Then you have something!
> Any Teraform, AWS, GCP, puppet, jenkins, or ansible experience is a huge
> plus.
>
> Pay is pretty good
>
> https://careers.box.com/us/en/job/3707806/Database-Engineer
>
>
> PLEASE I am getting people who don't know linux applying so if you know
> anyone who wants to be a DBA - please send them our way!
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Re: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/59-million-americans-prohibited-buying-high-end-dell-gaming-pcs

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

While this is true,  perhaps we could be more considerate of those who
prefer not to engage in political discourse and retain their heads buried
in the sand while the world changes around them.

We should also move our legendary battle to a dark alley and let our psu
power cord nun-chucks and circuit board katanas do our arguing for us.

Ronin Matt

On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 8:16 AM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Like it or not, politics drives everything in our world.
> especially technology.
>
> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021, 10:39:07 AM EDT, Michael Butash via
> PLUG-discuss  wrote:
>
>
> Ugh, these pseudo political/religious threads are best served elsewhere,
> perhaps create a plug-politics group so the CNN vs. Fox News crowds to
> argue in.  Otherwise, can we just go back to technology and not how much
> the world sucks these days?  Tired of checking the list for new updates
> with this drivel, if I wanted politics, I'd hit a cancerous mailing list
> built for it.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 7:15 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> In spite of my beliefs that there is no global warming I would like to
> convert my house to all electric and put as much solar on my roof as it
> will take.  My goal is net zero house budget.
> If possible I'd like to have no electric or gas bill and generate enough
> electricity that my rebate would pay for my property taxes and
> water/sewer bill.
>
> This is the right thing to do for me.  I do not like all the chemicals
> that go into solar ... but what are you going to do?
>
> I see there are a number of auto manufactures that are getting into the
> electric vehicle production.  I'd like one as a toy.  What I really
> would like for my daily driver is a 1969 SS 396 4 speed nova.  I had a
> number of muscle cars and it has been my goal to own another one before
> I die.
>
> Some want to bring the left and the right together.  I think it is
> impossible.  Steve you believe in global warming and potentially a
> number of other left leaning ideologies.  I on the other hand do not
> believe in a lot of that stuff and just want to live free.
>
> Another thing we need as Americans is revival.  We need to turn back to
> God and make Jesus our Lord and Savior.
>
> Why has the USA driven the global markets for some time in the past?
> God's provision.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2021-08-02 12:21, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Matthew Gibson said on Mon, 2 Aug 2021 11:56:48 -0700
> >
> >> And if you have your way we will be looking a lot like Venezuela or
> >> Cuba.
> >
> > And if you have your way, 2060 Americans would gleefully trade places
> > with today's Venezuelans or Cubans.
> >
> >
> >> Now, aside from attempting to force your will upon me and society,
> >> what can you personally do to lower your carbon footprint?
> >
> > The preceding is a good question, one that I and every other person
> > needs to consider and answer.
> >
> > Already I use LED bulbs everywhere, I drive my 2.0 liter Jeep less than
> > 8000 miles a year, I run my summer thermostat at 78 farenheit. That's
> > the starting point.
> >
> > Due to this discussion I've been watching my activities. I currently
> > use purified cold water from the fridge to make my hot tea. That's
> > stupid: I need to find a way to filter water without refrigerating it.
> >
> > I can get better attic insulation. This costs quite a bit of money, but
> > it's the right thing to do and will save money in the long run.
> >
> > I can keep my backup server turned off except when doing backups. I
> > already do this most of the time: I could do it all of the time.
> >
> > I can get my ceiling fans repaired/replaced so we can run the
> > thermostat at 79 or 80 degrees.
> >
> > I'll continue contemplating your question. It's an excellent one.
> >
> > SteveT
> >
> > Steve Litt
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Re: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/59-million-americans-prohibited-buying-high-end-dell-gaming-pcs

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

No. No one who has experienced the freedom found in America will willing
trade places worth someone living under communist rule.  Otherwise we would
see a mass exodus of communist sympathizers to communist countries.  2060
Americans most likely will figure out a different solution than your doom
and gloom.


Those sound like reasonable actions for you to take.  Allow others to
measure their own reasonable decisions,  even if those decisions end up
with energy intensive computer hardware.



On Mon, Aug 2, 2021, 12:21 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Matthew Gibson said on Mon, 2 Aug 2021 11:56:48 -0700
>
> >And if you have your way we will be looking a lot like Venezuela or
> >Cuba.
>
> And if you have your way, 2060 Americans would gleefully trade places
> with today's Venezuelans or Cubans.
>
>
> >Now, aside from attempting to force your will upon me and society,
> >what can you personally do to lower your carbon footprint?
>
> The preceding is a good question, one that I and every other person
> needs to consider and answer.
>
> Already I use LED bulbs everywhere, I drive my 2.0 liter Jeep less than
> 8000 miles a year, I run my summer thermostat at 78 farenheit. That's
> the starting point.
>
> Due to this discussion I've been watching my activities. I currently
> use purified cold water from the fridge to make my hot tea. That's
> stupid: I need to find a way to filter water without refrigerating it.
>
> I can get better attic insulation. This costs quite a bit of money, but
> it's the right thing to do and will save money in the long run.
>
> I can keep my backup server turned off except when doing backups. I
> already do this most of the time: I could do it all of the time.
>
> I can get my ceiling fans repaired/replaced so we can run the
> thermostat at 79 or 80 degrees.
>
> I'll continue contemplating your question. It's an excellent one.
>
> SteveT
>
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Re: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/59-million-americans-prohibited-buying-high-end-dell-gaming-pcs

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

And if you have your way we will be looking a lot like Venezuela or Cuba.

Now, aside from attempting to force your will upon me and society,  what
can you personally do to lower your carbon footprint?

On Mon, Aug 2, 2021, 11:49 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss said on Mon, 2 Aug 2021 10:02:13 -0700
>
>
> >There's a reason people are pouring over the southern border and
> >waiting in droves to properly immigrate here. Because of the freedom
> >and opportunity that can be found here.
>
> And if you have your way, in 50 years Americans will be pouring over
> the Canadian border just to feel a cool breeze every few weeks.
>
> SteveT
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Re: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/59-million-americans-prohibited-buying-high-end-dell-gaming-pcs

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

So let's see our global neighbors take up more of the slack in cutting
their carbon emmissions, while America continues to invest in technology
that will benefit the globe and do so at market rates.  Instead of by royal
dictate that lines the pockets of corrupt government members.

There's a reason people are pouring over the southern border and waiting in
droves to properly immigrate here. Because of the freedom and opportunity
that can be found here. The freedom and opportunity some members of our
citizenry are so quick to sacrifice to a farce of a government promise of
safety or security.

On Mon, Aug 2, 2021, 9:42 AM Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> On 8/2/21 9:19 AM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:
> >
> > I think we are missing the point.
> >
> > This is America!!  We have lost our way.
>
> Except... this is a global issue, and not just an American issue.
>
> Looking at it through the lens of America first, and blinding yourself
> to the global ramifications, is super short sighted.
>
> As a member of a Linux mailing list, I would hope that we are
> remembering to look up once in awhile and remember our global neighbors.
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Re: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/59-million-americans-prohibited-buying-high-end-dell-gaming-pcs

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

greg zegan via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 27 Jul 2021 14:16:27 +
(UTC)

>
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/59-million-americans-prohibited-buying-high-end-dell-gaming-pcs
>

Allow me to change the headline of this article to...

"Six States Responsible Enough to Limit Computer Power Consumption"

Anyone prioritizing their video game performance over the starvation,
water wars, crop failures, climate refugees, underwater cities, deserts
replacing farmland, and normalization of cat 5 hurricanes that will
surely come if we don't handle this situation correctly, is an ethical
cripple.

And anyone, who just has to have that superburner computer, of an age
not likely to live until 2060 is just borrowing on a future they know
they won't repay.

And it's not like you can't wait 4 years and have a computer using a
couple hundred wats that performs like today's 1000 watt gargantuan.

SteveT

Steve Litt
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Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques




mm No, I reject your attempt at gas-lighting the discussion away from
liberty infringing regulations. I reject your blithe attempt to validate
power hungry government attempts to slowly curtail the freedoms of
Americans.

All of those crises can and will be addressed by private industry and not
by some pencil pushing bureaucratic cubicle rat. The Federal Government
(one could also include state governments) will never ever be able to
address problems faster than private industry will be able to. Look into
FEMA’s response to hurricane Katrina back in the late 2000’s as a prime
example. Look into that same organizations response to Puerto Rico and
their recent natural disaster.

The climate changes. Humans need to adapt. To think that we can hold back
change of this magnitude is hubris. We need to take better care of our
things. Yes. But we also need to take care of ourselves while we do that.
You think a family in India, or Africa is going to give a hoot about a 2
degree C increase in global temperatures over the next 100 years? I suggest
you rethink that methodology if you do. Those families are only concerned
about where their next meal will come from.

Anyone who wants a superburner computer and has the capital to spend on it
should be able to purchase it, and then also worry about how they will
power it. It is unethical to restrict another human’s right to their
pursuit of happiness so long as that pursuit doesn’t directly infringe on
another’s right to life, liberty, and their own pursuit of happiness.

I think it’s an amazing thing that technology makes such marvelous advances
in such a short time. Not a reason to limit someone else’s liberty at this
date.




Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 27 Jul 2021 15:04:58 -0700

>Those are some dangerous statements.

Dangerous statements? What, are my statements going to insurance rates
going up?

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a27180829/global-warming-is-already-costing-the-insurance-industry-historic-amounts/

Insurance rates? Why is that even being brought up? It’s a problem for the
insurer and the insuree to discuss. If the insurer doesn’t like the risk of
insuring someone’s hair brained idea to build on the coast as the coast
recedes….. sounds like a problem for the person with the hair brained idea
to build where climate change is going to destroy their hair brained idea.
Only dangerous to that person…



Perhaps my statements could cause an increase in annual hurricane
energy:

https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/2020-11-18-top-10-most-extreme-hurricane-seasons-2020

Oh, I know. My statements are dangerous because they caused 20 years of
drought to the farmers in Western Colorado:

https://www.cpr.org/2021/07/23/western-slope-drought-cattle-ranching/

It must be nice to be able to wave your hand and claim adverse weather as
proof to support your theories of what is dangerous. Here’s a theory you
can prove: living is dangerous and fraught with risk at all points of life.

I wasn't discussing China, but since you brought it up: Why in the
WORLD should China go through the inconvenience of reducing carbon
emissions and all forms of pollution if the US doesn't reduce energy
use everywhere it can: Cars, airplanes, trucks, busses, lightbulbs, and
yes, computers?

Why should China reduce their carbon footprint? Maybe because they are the
worst offender of greenhouse gas emissions? Maybe because Their reduction
of emissions will actually do more for your cause than severely hampering
America’s economy will? How many days did they need to shut down their
industry leading up to the 2008 Olympics for clear skies?

List of countries by greenhouse gas emissions - Wikipedia


if you don’t like Wikipedia, maybe this site? Greenhouse Gas Emissions By
Country 2021 (worldpopulationreview.com)

Re: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/59-million-americans-prohibited-buying-high-end-dell-gaming-pcs

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

Because they need all that energy for charging their beloved coal and gas
powered electric cars.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 7:39 AM kelly stephenson via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> This is pretty funny since those states push power hungry electric
> vehicles.
>
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 at 07:27, Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Imagine having to stand on the corner looking for law enforcement as you
>> rush to someone’s car window, hand them a GPU, and they slip you some cash.
>> You pat the door of their car and say “be careful bro” before looking up
>> and seeing a cop car round the corner. Snatching up your back pack you jump
>> the fence near by and run as the words “LAPD! Stop!” echo off the walls.
>> You don’t make it far, because your backpack is weighed down with 800 watt
>> power supplies and nvidia graphics cards, plus your pushing 40 years old
>> and work a desk job when you aren’t “slangin pixels” as they now call it.
>> “You thought you were going to get away with this in my town!?” The officer
>> screams into your ear as he pins you to the ground and cuffs you. “No one
>> gets more than 24 FPS in LA!”
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2021, at 7:16 AM, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> https://www.zerohedge.com/political/59-million-americans-prohibited-buying-high-end-dell-gaming-pcs
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Re: Electrical costs to run a home web server

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

Is Dreamhost a terrible abuser of privacy?

On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 9:24 AM Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Please use literally anyone but Dreamhost.
>
> On Jul 23, 2021, at 8:13 AM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
> 
> I hit send too soon, All of this hosting aside. I have 3 dedicated
> servers, one is a dual Xeon server with 80-some GB ram, it runs as a VM
> host for all sorts of things for me. and 2 mac mini's one is a windows
> server (I know but professionally speaking this is a good thing for me to
> keep in touch with). and the other is a linux server. they are a great
> low-power solution. (look for older 2012 models if you go this route)
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 8:09 AM Stephen Partington 
> wrote:
>
>> For cost/efficiency, it is hard to beat some of the online hosting
>> options. Dreamhost has a shared plan with unlimited everything and a domain
>> for 9 per month (down to 3 for 1 or 3 years paid upfront) 10 per month Ifor
>> a VPS.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 3:45 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I think you'll find that server of yours used closer to $500 than $120.
>>> Based on the 600watt number that you gave your usage would look like this
>>> on SRP right now under their normal flat rate plan:
>>> Months Number of Days Kwh Cost Machine Load in Kilo watts Cost per
>>> hour(KWH cost times wattage) Cost per day(Cost per hour time 24 hours) Total
>>> Cost (Cost per time period)
>>> May, Jun, Sep, Oct 122 0.1091 0.6 0.06546 1.57104 191.66688
>>> Jul,Aug 62 0.1157 0.6 0.06942 1.66608 103.29696
>>> Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar, April 182 0.0782 0.6 0.04692 1.12608 204.94656
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Grand Total 499.9104
>>> Even if you machine used half the power you specified it would still be
>>> about twice what you thought it was.
>>>
>>> I always recommend that people don't use their old computers when it
>>> comes to use cases like using them for routers  because it's MUCH cheaper
>>> to buy something like a PI or a dedicated router than it is pay for power
>>> to feel a machine that uses waaay more than you need to.
>>> With a raspberry pi under worst case useage with it being use to 100%
>>> capacity you'd only get charged $6.32 per year, but it would most likely be
>>> closer to it's idling cost of $2.82 for power:
>>> Months Number of Days Kwh Cost Machine Load in Kilo watts Cost per
>>> hour(KWH cost times wattage) Cost per day(Cost per hour time 24 hours) Total
>>> Cost (Cost per time period)
>>> May, Jun, Sep, Oct 122 0.1091 0.0076 0.00082916 0.01989984 2.42778048
>>> Jul,Aug 62 0.1157 0.0076 0.00087932 0.02110368 1.30842816
>>> Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar, April 182 0.0782 0.0076 0.00059432 0.01426368
>>> 2.59598976
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Grand Total 6.3321984
>>>
>>> Brian Cluff
>>>
>>> On 7/21/21 3:50 PM, Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>
>>> Back when I ran a home server on my Athlon X2 with 1500 W supply, the 
>>> machine never drew that much. Even with several disks spinning, 8 VMWare 
>>> instances going and a few other goodies, that machine never drew more than 
>>> 600w at maximum. I kept it live 24/7 for a few years and it added less than 
>>> $120 yearly to the electrical bill. These days, that machine is out of 
>>> service and is only good for parts. My Mac mini, which draws at most 100 W 
>>> under full load is on 24/7 and I don’t even see it add that much to the 
>>> electrical bill here. There are really only 3 high draw appliances in this 
>>> house now:
>>> 1. The refrigerator
>>> 2. The stove/oven
>>> 3. The master cool evaporative cooler. Everything else either runs on wall 
>>> warts or only gets used occasionally. In fact, we spend less than $150 a 
>>> month here for electric. Now, if I put that Athlon X2 back into service, we 
>>> might see $10 a month in extra use. I am still contemplating putting it 
>>> back up and using it as my go to linux development machine.
>>>
>>> -Eric
>>> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Utilities Dept.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2021, at 7:33 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss 
>>>   wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I just read this quote about the electrical costs to run a web server from 
>>> home:
>>>
>>> Cost: While it may sound cheaper to use that computer lying around doing 
>>> nothing when creating your web server, when you factor in the cost of 
>>> powering an old computer 24 hours a day, it can get very expensive. A 250W 
>>> desktop computer running 24 hours per day at 12 cents per KW/h is a 
>>> whopping $262.00 per year!
>>>
>>> ---
>>> I think their math is wrong.
>>>
>>> The average residential electricity rate in Chandler is 10.85¢/kWh.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking a low traffic PHP web server running on an old Dell with a 400 
>>> watt power supply is not using but maybe 100 watts on average.  I've read 
>>> that the computer should use no more than half the power supp

Re: Electrical costs to run a home web server

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

Anime and Linux = a nerds best friend

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 10:40 AM Retro64XYZ via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Anime? A LOTTT of anime?
>
> On 7/21/21 10:34 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >
> > I am curious... what could you be doing at home that might require a
> > R730xd?
> >
> >
> > On 2021-07-21 07:55, Snyder, Alexander J wrote:
> >> I run a Dell R730xd, a switch, a hardware FW, a NAS and a 3000VA UPS.
> >>
> >> On 24/7, obviously.
> >>
> >> I barely notice the extra power on my monthly bill.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Alexander.
> >>
> >> Sent from my Samsung S20+ 5G
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 07:34 Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I just read this quote about the electrical costs to run a web
> >>> server
> >>> from home:
> >>>
> >>> Cost: While it may sound cheaper to use that computer lying around
> >>> doing
> >>> nothing when creating your web server, when you factor in the cost
> >>> of
> >>> powering an old computer 24 hours a day, it can get very expensive.
> >>> A
> >>> 250W desktop computer running 24 hours per day at 12 cents per KW/h
> >>> is a
> >>> whopping $262.00 per year!
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> I think their math is wrong.
> >>>
> >>> The average residential electricity rate in Chandler is 10.85¢/kWh.
> >>>
> >>> I'm thinking a low traffic PHP web server running on an old Dell
> >>> with a
> >>> 400 watt power supply is not using but maybe 100 watts on average.
> >>> I've
> >>> read that the computer should use no more than half the power supply
> >>>
> >>> capacity.  Is this correct?
> >>>
> >>> If my home web server is using 100 watts an hour that mean 100 watts
> >>> *
> >>> 30 days * 24 hours or 72K watts.
> >>>
> >>> I'm thinking 72 * .1085 = $7.81 a month.
> >>>
> >>> Any thoughts are much appreciated.
> >>>
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Re: Steam Deck

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Yes, but can I compile Gentoo on it. :')

It certainly is exciting to see the progression of gaming on Linux. It will
be fun to see how this is received among the community.

Matt

On Fri, Jul 16, 2021, 8:35 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> SteamOS was built for the creation of Steam Gaming consoles. And while
> they never quite took off as the hardware vendors wanted to steamos has not
> gone away.
>
> https://store.steampowered.com/steamos/
>
> But based on some reading SteamOS 3.0 is coming, and the way it is talked
> about makes it sound like arch is the thing. Although I am not seeing any
> hard announcement of SteamOS 3.0 yet
>
> This si also really interesting to ready through
> https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/steamdeck
>
> On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 7:16 AM murph via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> - Original message -
>> From: Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss 
>> On 7/16/21 12:41 AM, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > moin moin,
>> >
>> >
>> > It's Linux-based and they claims to support installing 3rd party
>> software
>> > and even other Operating Systems.
>> >
>> > That'll make games even more dynamic since NPC won't respawn, they'll
>> > recompile :).
>> >
>> > https://social.gould.cx/@ted/106586487578801896
>> >
>>
>> This is a *huge* win for Linux and Linux Gaming. Here's hoping that it
>> is popular and does well.
>>
>> -Matt
>> ---
>>
>>
>> *May* be a huge win.  Haven't we seen a few Linux-based consoles come out
>> and not really move the needle at all?  Wasn't one of them from Valve?
>>
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Re: CentOS 8 error

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

Understood. What's the output from 'uname -a'?

Matt

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> Hello,
>  I am just following instructions from the web sites for mysql,
> postgresql, and the Red Hat site.
> Never had this issue with my Debian machine.
> thanks,
> Greg
>
>
> On Thursday, July 15, 2021, 10:53:33 AM CDT, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>   as per my previous email here is more details on the error I am getting:
> How to register and subscribe a system to the Red Hat Customer Portal
> using Red Hat Subscription-Manager - Red Hat Customer Portal
> 
>
> How to register and subscribe a system to the Red Hat Customer Portal us...
>
> How to register a new Red Hat Enterprise Linux system to the Customer
> Portal using Red Hat Subscription-Manager ...
> 
>
> [root@GreenRoom ~]# subscription-manager attach
> This system is not yet registered. Try 'subscription-manager register
> --help' for more information.
> [root@GreenRoom ~]# subscription-manager register
> Registering to: subscription.rhsm.redhat.com:443/subscription
> Username: gzegan
> Password:
> Unable to verify server's identity: [SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED]
> certificate verify failed (_ssl.c:897)
> [root@GreenRoom ~]#
>
>
> please advise.
> thanks,
> Greg
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Re: CentOS 8 error

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

Looks like he's got a bintray ookla rhel repository he is pulling from. I'm
not able to deep dive on this but it seems like that may be the source of
his issue. If not is there another repo he can pull from to grab MySQL?

Matt

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 9:32 AM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Why are you having to register or otherwise subscribe a CentOS box?!
> That's the part that is confusing me the most!
>
> Thanks,
> Alexander.
>
> Sent from my Samsung S20+ 5G
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 08:53 greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>   as per my previous email here is more details on the error I am getting:
>> How to register and subscribe a system to the Red Hat Customer Portal
>> using Red Hat Subscription-Manager - Red Hat Customer Portal
>> 
>>
>> How to register and subscribe a system to the Red Hat Customer Portal
>> us...
>>
>> How to register a new Red Hat Enterprise Linux system to the Customer
>> Portal using Red Hat Subscription-Manager ...
>> 
>>
>> [root@GreenRoom ~]# subscription-manager attach
>> This system is not yet registered. Try 'subscription-manager register
>> --help' for more information.
>> [root@GreenRoom ~]# subscription-manager register
>> Registering to: subscription.rhsm.redhat.com:443/subscription
>> Username: gzegan
>> Password:
>> Unable to verify server's identity: [SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED]
>> certificate verify failed (_ssl.c:897)
>> [root@GreenRoom ~]#
>>
>>
>> please advise.
>> thanks,
>> Greg
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Re: Password Management Services

[Matthew Gibson via PLUG-discuss]

I have been using BitWarden since it was reviewed/recommended by Noah
Cheliah on the  asknoahshow .
It has the ability to be hosted on your own infrastructure as far as the
cloud goes. I've been happy with its services so far. I don't have any
problems using it across my device ecosystem, works like a charm on linux,
android, windows, and I assume mac although I haven't personally used it
there.

Hope my 2 cents helps.

Good Luck.

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> Am 24. May, 2020 schwätzte Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss so:
>
> moin moin,
>
> I have been happily using and giving presentations on KeePassX for more
> than a decade. It isn't cloudy, so you have to provide your own sync. To
> me this is good as it encourages different files for different reasons,
> e.g. I have a travel file with just a few passwords, a file I share with
> the family and files for different non-profits I work with.
>
> If you use KeePassX, I recommend the KeePassXC fork, but there's a
> consistent lockup bug in the Ubuntu Bionic distro, so stick with KeePassX
> there. Both are good, but KeePassXC has more people actively working on it
> and is getting more updates.
>
> As to cloudy services, I tested two different password manager apps
> available for NextCloud. I was going to use one for a project, but stopped
> working on that project.
>
> There's also BitWarden. I haven't used it, but have gotten good reviews of
> it from people at conferences.
>
> https://bitwarden.com/
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
>
> > I've been using LastPass for 5 years, as I purchased a 5yr subscription
> > initially liking the product so much.  Since then, they've been through
> > acquisition by LogMeIn/GoToMeeting, which I hate, first thing jacking
> > prices, had security resets due to dubious levels of being hacked, and
> just
> > both the UI and the service have gotten worse over the past few years
> since
> > GTM bought them.  I don't trust it'll get better from here.
> >
> > What are you all using for password management, particularly full-time
> > linux users?  I like the cloud sync options, but I really don't trust any
> > of these companies fully, and would like something easier to sync with
> > across platforms minus a cloud.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > -mb
> >
>
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Re: CentOS 8

[Matthew Gibson]

I've run into a snag trying to deploy it to my apple pro tower I use as a
server. The installation medium doesn't have macefi and so it fails.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 12:55 PM Snyder, Alexander J <
alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:

> Has anyone done any real work with CentOS 8 yet?
>
> I've played around with it on a VM, but nothing substantial.
>
> I'm preparing to move my home servers over to it on the 1st.  Can anyone
> share any pitfalls they've had with it?  Anything to avoid, or anything I
> need to know, would be very helpful.
>
> Home Servers will be running SabNZB, Sonarr, Radarr, and Plex.
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: Bootable CD ...

[Matthew Gibson]

Does it have the ability to boot from network? Didn't you say that the
laptop has an internal DVD/CD drive? Could your install media need to be
locked in some way after the burn is complete? Is the ISO too new to work
with old hard ware?

These are a few of my thoughts. I'll see if I can find my own drives to
burn a disc for you.

On Sun, Aug 4, 2019, 8:57 AM Snyder, Alexander J 
wrote:

> I wasn't able to go to Installfest, we had guests.
>
> After they left, I went hunting in the garage and found an old DVD-R
> (USB). I went to Best Buyand got a few blank DVDs. So, it won't read from a
> 2019 USB-SSD, but it'll boot from a ~2015 USB-DVD drive?
>
> I can get into the CentOS 7 setup but it fails to verify the media, and
> refuses to continue. When I skip verify, it still fails by saying the media
> is not fit for install.
>
> So now I'm really confused.
>
> Thanks,
> Alexander
>
> Sent from my Galaxy S10+
>
> On Sun, Aug 4, 2019, 08:43 Matt Graham  wrote:
>
>> On 2019-08-03 10:49, Snyder, Alexander J wrote:
>> > Does anyone have a bootable Linux CD?
>> > I don't have a burner, or discs. So I'm asking for help!
>> > Can someone burn CentOS7 minimal for me?
>>
>> Did you get a CD from Installfest?  If not, I have a DVD+-RW and a CD-R
>> blank somewhere around here.  Reply with your snail-mail address if you
>> still need help.
>>
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Re: instagram

[Matthew Gibson]

Is ipados going to be backwards compatible as far as hardware?

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019, 6:37 PM Harold Hartley  wrote:

> Around September they usually come out with upgrades, most likely around
> the 16th or 17th.
> They also coming out with iPadOS too. Yes iPad is going to have it’s own
> OS and different from iPhone.
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019, at 18:00, Manisha Venkatesan wrote:
>
> When is iOS 13 coming out??
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 6, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Harold Hartley 
> wrote:
>
> > What about when iOS 13 comes out will have photo editing. How is
> Instagram going to control that.
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 6, 2019, at 12:04, Michael wrote:
> >> bummer
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 3:01 PM Matt Graham 
> wrote:
> >> > On 2019-07-06 11:45, Michael wrote:
> >> > > how about uploading pictures [to Instagram] from your computer?
> >> >
> >> > The developers of Instagram don't want you to do that. The original
> >> > idea was that all pictures uploaded to Instagram would be taken
> directly
> >> > from your phone, via their Instagram android/iphone applications, so
> no
> >> > image editing would take place. That way, people would look "real"
> >> > instead of photoshopped to the Nth degree. You can see how well this
> >> > has worked out in reality.
> >> >
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RE: Would like to hire a video editor tutor ...

[Matthew Gibson]

Joe, 

I myself have some small experience from back in high school, I am happy to 
help look at what you’re trying to do and offer pointers. I might be able to 
delve into a project or two.

I also do have a contact who is a professional, I’m not sure what his schedule 
is like, But I’m willing to pass along your request and contact information to 
him.

-Matt

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Joe Lowder
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:31 PM
To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Subject: OT: Would like to hire a video editor tutor ...

About a year ago, I posted a request here
to try to find and hire a video editor tutor
to help me get up to speed on doing this.

Never got any response to that request
and I'm still looking. So trying again ;)

If you know someone who might be available
to hire for this purpose ... or if you have
any suggestions how I might find someone,
please let me know.

I've tried craigslist and didn't find anyone.
Also tried some online sources to no avail.

Hope to find someone local (East Mesa).

PS: Also have some videos recorded on my phone
that I would gladly pay for help to get edited.



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Old Hardware

[Matthew Gibson]

My parents have been cleaning out their home and came across some 3 1/2
inch floppy disks, they also found some 5 inch floppies. Does anyone have
an appropriate drive for either of these media items? I am looking to
borrow, but I don't imagine it will be difficult to scrounge up the funds
to purchase a drive or two. All we are wanting us to pull what data we can
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Re: Microsoft infects defectors

[Matthew Gibson]

Stephen shared a fantastic Windows installation tool. Ninite.

As for willy-nilly searching ambiguously for "google chrome" I think you
deserve to have those results served to you. Since that lazy mentality is
the exact target of that attack vector. It is not that difficult to go to
the authorized webpage for the content you are seeking.

As users we should not fully trust the tools we use. It is nice to have
higher quality tools. But those higher quality tools can still be spoofed
to serve us malware. Bashing on Microsoft is not an appropriate use of
energy, electrons, or effort. Go do something more useful than ranting your
dislike, disdain, etc. of a company that does not meet your unrealistic
expectations.

-Matt

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 11:12 AM Mark Phillips 
wrote:

> I installed Ubuntu 18.04 on a Surface Pro 4 using this custom kernel
>
> https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface/
>
> and it works really well.
>
> Mark
>
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 10:49 AM Stephen Partington 
> wrote:
>
>> ninite installer (ninite.com) stashed on your installation media can
>> allow you to sidestep ever launching edge :-)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 12:51 AM Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>
>>> Wow.
>>> Guess that means they want you on their *ahem* browser and won’t take
>>> downloading another for an answer.
>>>
>>> I tried out edge on win10 with jaws. Forget it! Not very accessible and
>>> even win10 narrator wouldn’t do everything in there either. I haven’t tried
>>> out NVDA on that as yet (been doing a little troubleshooting of my mates
>>> machine here and the win10 desktop is a kludge of hit and miss
>>> accessibility using either narrator or jaws. SMH
>>>
>>> -Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 27, 2018, at 10:54 PM, Michael Butash  wrote:
>>>
>>> Saw this tonight, not so unbelievable, and yet such a dirtbag thing to
>>> see.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/10/27/stop-using-microsoft-edge-to-download-chrome-unless-you-want-malware/
>>>
>>> Exactly why I defected to linux.  I note when I install a windoze os
>>> still, launching edge to search "google chrome" results it in it begging
>>> you not to leave.  It's funny to me.
>>>
>>> I keep a dated old chrome and firefox around on a share to bootstrap off
>>> of so as not to even launch edge for a while now, at least at home.
>>>
>>> Now they just link you to malware.  Caveat emtor indeed.
>>>
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Re: Open Broadcast Software

[Matthew Gibson]

Matt, Thanks for the ideas.
Brian, That link made progress. the software is installed now and I can
load it. But it tells me my device is not connected or powered which is
scary since it is plugged into the PCIe slot. Do you have some time to
possibly meet me where this machine is located and help me more directly?
perhaps sunday afternoon or so. If you're interested, let me know. I am
certainly appreciative of the remote help.

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 10:04 AM Brian Cluff  wrote:

> I had been looking at the error and not the version of the driver. This
> message made me look at the version of the drivers you were trying to
> install and realized that they are very very old (released February 16th
> 2015).
>
> Download the latest version from:
>
> https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/support/download/28c40e5147c34a3eacb279d74d576630/Linux
>
> Just click on the "Download only" link in the lower left corner of the
> window.
>
> This will give the the version of the software that I have verified to
> work on my own ubuntu 18.04 machine.
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On 09/14/2018 09:52 AM, Matt Graham wrote:
> > On 2018-09-13 20:47, Matthew Gibson wrote:
> >> Sigh linux-headers-generic is already installed. still get this
> >> error: https://pastebin.com/fwb1mzLq [3]
> >> I've attached the make.log specified.
> > [much snippage, pasting some lines from make.log]
> >
> > /var/lib/dkms/blackmagic-io/10.3.7a4/build/bmio_client.c:95:40:
> > error: ‘struct file’ has no member named ‘f_dentry’; did you mean
> > ‘f_owner’?
> >   drv = bmio_driver_find_by_inode(filp->f_dentry->d_inode);
> >
> > Which kernel version was this thing supposed to be built against?
> > There is no f_dentry in struct file any more.
> > https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/issues/2959 says that was removed in
> > kernel 3.19 and people are supposed to use a different macro to do a
> > similar thing. https://github.com/iperry/blackmagic-io has a newer
> > version of this kernel module which may work better since it's got
> > "fix compilation for kernel >= 4.2" in it.
> >
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Re: InstallFest this Saturday, Sept 15

[Matthew Gibson]

Mark,

I also dislike nuke and paving my system everytime ubuntu notches up a
version number. That said 14 is reaching end of support if it hasnt
already. You will soon find no more security updates is a bad thing. You've
got time, go through and migrate things to your /home and then once you
have that done, you can proceed as Todd has suggested.

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018, 9:37 AM Mark Phillips 
wrote:

> Todd,
>
> Thanks for the information about the InstallFest. I forgot to mention that
> the system is set up with 2 mirrored 1 TB SSDs.
>
> I am not excited about a clean install because I will then have to install
> and configure all my applications again, and I know not all the important
> stuff is in /home.
>
> Perhaps I should just be content with 14.04.
>
> Mark
>
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 7:00 PM, Todd Cole  wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark
>>  Yes we will be meeting Sat at UAT 10-4PM
>> upgrade can be done but I suspect most will recommend clean install
>> 18.04   we normally back up /home   which contains all files and data docs
>> ect.  then install clean. Why?   Linux changes too fast 14.04 to 16.04
>> failed 50%
>> due to massive changes that were unable to be accounted for. 16.04 to
>> 18.04 works 90% backing up home and clean install 100% plus we can test it
>> before hand with live media. we will every thing to test upgrade or clean
>> install
>> so either way we should be able to get you current. Todd
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 6:39 PM, Mark Phillips <
>> m...@phillipsmarketing.biz> wrote:
>>
>>> Just checking to make sure the InstallFest is still happening this
>>> Saturday.
>>>
>>> I need some help upgrading my System76 Gazelle laptop from Ubuntu 14.04
>>> to 16.04 to 18.04. I spent a couple of hours on the phone with the System
>>> 76 support techs, and we could not get the updater to run. I am hoping
>>> there will be someone there who can help me! Or, is this a too advanced
>>> topic for the InstallFest?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Mark
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Re: Job opening - LDAP

[Matthew Gibson]

Ick. Well, good luck to them

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 9:36 PM George Toft  wrote:

> I-17 & 101.
>
> I just found out it's contract-to-hire, and they are making a decision
> tomorrow.  (That was fast!)
>
> Regards,
>
> George Toft
>
> On 9/12/2018 11:04 PM, Matthew Gibson wrote:
>
> How north valley are we talking George?
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 10:06 PM George Toft  wrote:
>
>> My intel says there is an LDAP position coming up real soon now in the
>> North Valley.  This position is operational in nature and requires an
>> understanding of a DIT and how to submit search queries.  Also required
>> is an understanding of LDAP as implemented in Active Directory.  The
>> team is responsible for overseeing the operation of four different LDAP
>> Directories.  Experience with Active Directory bridging technology for
>> Linux is a definite plus (and may be a requirement).  Intense curiosity
>> and a willingness to learn are welcomed.  Abandoning your myths &
>> legends and your "eeww - it's Microsoft" prejudice will clearly help you
>> here.  This is largely supposition based on my knowledge of the team
>> (and it was my job 4-6 years ago), and is subject to change. Incumbent
>> just delivered his 2 weeks notice.
>>
>> When I get the job req, I'll pass it on.  There may be a referral bonus
>> - if so, I'll post my work email and share the lootz (but ya gotta put
>> my name/email in the job app).
>>
>> --
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>>
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Re: Open Broadcast Software

[Matthew Gibson]

Sigh linux-headers-generic is already installed. still get this error:
https://pastebin.com/fwb1mzLq
I've attached the make.log specified.

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 11:28 AM Brian Cluff  wrote:

> I've installed the blackmagic drivers on my machine (kubuntu 18.04) that
> is using the exact same kernel successfully, and without problems
>
> Perhaps the driver is failing the DKMS driver compilation because you are
> missing the kernel headers.
>
> Try doing:
>
> sudo apt install linux-headers-generic
>
> That should allow the drivers to compile successfully.
>
> Hope that helps,
> Brian
>
> On 09/08/2018 01:03 PM, Matthew Gibson wrote:
>
> so, As I have been working on this problem. There are no snaps for the
> specified software: desktopvideo, desktopvideo-gui, mediaexpress. While
> attempting to install them via the deb, I get dependency problems revolving
> around dkms. While attempting an 'apt --fix-broken install' I get this
> output: https://pastebin.com/AtwWb8UR (note: paste will be up only 1 week
> from this email send date)
>
> So at this time All I want is to be able to use the capture device with
> OBS. I imagine I am attempting to go the long way to get to where I want to
> be.
> lspci -vv outputs: 02:00.0 Multimedia video controller: Blackmagic Design
> Intensity Pro
> Subsystem: Blackmagic Design Intensity Pro
> Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
> Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
> Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort-
> SERR-  Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 255
> Region 0: Memory at f7c0 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled]
> [size=1M]
> Region 1: Memory at f7b0 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled]
> [size=1M]
> Capabilities: 
> I'm going to start poking around for how to build a kernel module to
> enable the blackmagic design card
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 10:43 AM Matthew Gibson <
> guanjun.de.geliq...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> None that I observed or detected. I will be working on it again tomorrow
>> morning.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018, 9:55 AM Brian Cluff  wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/05/2018 01:34 PM, Matthew Gibson wrote:
>>> > The software debs I found at the blackmagic website will start to be
>>> > installed through ubuntus software management application, but no joy
>>> > as far as a runnable package.
>>>
>>> Did you get errors while installing?  If so, what were they?
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
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DKMS make.log for blackmagic-io-10.3.7a4 for kernel 4.15.0-34-generic (x86_64)
Thu Sep 13 20:34:18 MST 2018
make -C /lib/modules/4.15.0-34-generic/build M=/var/lib/dkms/blackmagic-io/10.3.7a4/build
make[1]: Entering directory '/usr/src/linux-headers-4.15.0-34-generic'
  CC [M]  /var/lib/dkms/blackmagic-io/10.3.7a4/build/bmio_client.o
  CC [M]  /var/lib/dkms/blackmagic-io/10.3.7a4/build/bmio_dev.o
  CC [M]  /var/lib/dkms/blackmagic-io/10.3.7a4/build/bmio_driver.o
  CC [M]  /var/lib/dkms/blackmagic-io/10.3.7a4/build/bmio_serial.o
  CC [M]  /var/lib/dkms/blackmagic-io/10.3.7a4/build/bmio_export.o
  CC [M]  /var/lib/dkms/blackmagic-io/10.3.7a4/build/bm_locks.o
  CC [M]  /var/lib/dkms/blackmagic-io/10.3.7a4/build/bm_mm.o
  CC [M]  /var/lib/dkms/blackmagic-io/10.3.7a4/build/bm_pci.o
/var/lib/dkms/blackmagic-io/10.3.7a4/build/bm_locks.c:190:14: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘bm_rmutex_lock’
 void __sched bm_rmutex_lock(struct bm_rmutex* mutex)
  ^~
scripts/Makefile.build:332: recipe for target '/var/lib/dkms/blackmagic-io/10.3.7a4/build/bm_locks.o' failed
make[2]: *** [/var/lib/dkms/blackmagic-io/10.3.7a4/build/bm_locks.o] Error 1
make[2]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
/var/lib/dkms/blackmagic-io/10.3.7a4/build/bm_mm.c: In function ‘bm_get_user_pages’:
/var/lib/dkms/blackmagic-io/10.3.7a4/build/bm_mm.c:105:24: warning: passing argument 1 of

Re: Job opening - LDAP

[Matthew Gibson]

I am. Sounds fun.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 7:32 AM Thomas Scott 
wrote:

> Are you still in the East Valley Matt? We can carpool! I drive up to Deer
> Valley M-F
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 11:04 PM Matthew Gibson <
> guanjun.de.geliq...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> How north valley are we talking George?
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 10:06 PM George Toft  wrote:
>>
>>> My intel says there is an LDAP position coming up real soon now in the
>>> North Valley.  This position is operational in nature and requires an
>>> understanding of a DIT and how to submit search queries.  Also required
>>> is an understanding of LDAP as implemented in Active Directory.  The
>>> team is responsible for overseeing the operation of four different LDAP
>>> Directories.  Experience with Active Directory bridging technology for
>>> Linux is a definite plus (and may be a requirement).  Intense curiosity
>>> and a willingness to learn are welcomed.  Abandoning your myths &
>>> legends and your "eeww - it's Microsoft" prejudice will clearly help you
>>> here.  This is largely supposition based on my knowledge of the team
>>> (and it was my job 4-6 years ago), and is subject to change. Incumbent
>>> just delivered his 2 weeks notice.
>>>
>>> When I get the job req, I'll pass it on.  There may be a referral bonus
>>> - if so, I'll post my work email and share the lootz (but ya gotta put
>>> my name/email in the job app).
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> George Toft
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Re: Job opening - LDAP

[Matthew Gibson]

How north valley are we talking George?

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 10:06 PM George Toft  wrote:

> My intel says there is an LDAP position coming up real soon now in the
> North Valley.  This position is operational in nature and requires an
> understanding of a DIT and how to submit search queries.  Also required
> is an understanding of LDAP as implemented in Active Directory.  The
> team is responsible for overseeing the operation of four different LDAP
> Directories.  Experience with Active Directory bridging technology for
> Linux is a definite plus (and may be a requirement).  Intense curiosity
> and a willingness to learn are welcomed.  Abandoning your myths &
> legends and your "eeww - it's Microsoft" prejudice will clearly help you
> here.  This is largely supposition based on my knowledge of the team
> (and it was my job 4-6 years ago), and is subject to change. Incumbent
> just delivered his 2 weeks notice.
>
> When I get the job req, I'll pass it on.  There may be a referral bonus
> - if so, I'll post my work email and share the lootz (but ya gotta put
> my name/email in the job app).
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> George Toft
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Re: Containers

[Matthew Gibson]

I had been planning to show up at the linux install fest this saturday.
However, I had my plans for Saturday wiped by a request from my father for
some help. Sadly I will have to wait another little while to see you all at
install fest.

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018, 3:07 PM James Mcphee  wrote:

> I finally got the danged thing to work.  Forgot that xfs on cent7 doesn't
> support the overlay2 d_type dependency.  So, what I did as root was the
> following.  created 2 ext4 lv's.  moved everything in /var/lib/docker to
> one and mounted it up on /var/lib/docker.  the other was blank and I
> mounted it up on /opt/seafile-data.  That got it to start.  The root
> webpage doesn't have a redirect, so you have to poke around a bit.  
> http:// hostname or ip>/accounts/login/
>
> if the d_type thing is your problem, it'll be hanging around in your
> journald logs.
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 11:23 PM Matthew Gibson <
> guanjun.de.geliq...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I haven't necessarily tried to recreate an environment as I have
>> attempted to use an image provided by seafile.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 4:08 PM James Mcphee  wrote:
>>
>>> I use docker quite a bit.  It's an intentionally crippled version of
>>> containers that forces you to obey certain design patterns.  Sure you CAN
>>> get around them, but they exist for a reason.  For sanity's sake, I suggest
>>> using docker-compose or some other form of automation to recreate your
>>> environments correctly each time.  Puppet or whatnot is also perfectly
>>> acceptable.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 3:39 PM Todd Cole  wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1St I have not used docker as of yet.
>>>> I have been using LXC for over 3 years and with a bit of a learning
>>>> curve I enjoy it, containers are faster than kvm smaller and easy to move
>>>> and migrate or duplicate
>>>> I use turnkey linux for a few of the prebuilt containers.
>>>> a easy inrto is to use Proxmox as a gui to kvm/lxc and after updates
>>>> you can click install turnkey linux containers
>>>> stop by the installfest for a demo or to assist building it and there
>>>> may be a docker person there also
>>>>
>>>> Todd
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 1:26 PM, Matthew Gibson <
>>>> guanjun.de.geliq...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 你们好。
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I understand that containers are a good thing. I have been trying
>>>>> to install seafile via docker, following the guide found online at
>>>>> seafile's website. However when I attempt to invoke the dock with it
>>>>> utilizing /opt/seafile as the root directory for the instance, I get 
>>>>> errors
>>>>> that the dock can't create directories during the initialization.
>>>>>
>>>>> At this point I'm ready to give up on trying to use containers and
>>>>> simply install upon the bare metal. Thoughts? Ideas?
>>>>> Any requests for specific error output will be delivered when I can
>>>>> get back home and get to it from my computer instead of my phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Matt
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Re: Open Broadcast Software

[Matthew Gibson]

so, As I have been working on this problem. There are no snaps for the
specified software: desktopvideo, desktopvideo-gui, mediaexpress. While
attempting to install them via the deb, I get dependency problems revolving
around dkms. While attempting an 'apt --fix-broken install' I get this
output: https://pastebin.com/AtwWb8UR (note: paste will be up only 1 week
from this email send date)

So at this time All I want is to be able to use the capture device with
OBS. I imagine I am attempting to go the long way to get to where I want to
be.
lspci -vv outputs: 02:00.0 Multimedia video controller: Blackmagic Design
Intensity Pro
Subsystem: Blackmagic Design Intensity Pro
Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- SERR- 
I'm going to start poking around for how to build a kernel module to enable
the blackmagic design card


On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 10:43 AM Matthew Gibson <
guanjun.de.geliq...@gmail.com> wrote:

> None that I observed or detected. I will be working on it again tomorrow
> morning.
>
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018, 9:55 AM Brian Cluff  wrote:
>
>> On 09/05/2018 01:34 PM, Matthew Gibson wrote:
>> > The software debs I found at the blackmagic website will start to be
>> > installed through ubuntus software management application, but no joy
>> > as far as a runnable package.
>>
>> Did you get errors while installing?  If so, what were they?
>>
>> Brian
>>
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Re: Open Broadcast Software

[Matthew Gibson]

None that I observed or detected. I will be working on it again tomorrow
morning.

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018, 9:55 AM Brian Cluff  wrote:

> On 09/05/2018 01:34 PM, Matthew Gibson wrote:
> > The software debs I found at the blackmagic website will start to be
> > installed through ubuntus software management application, but no joy
> > as far as a runnable package.
>
> Did you get errors while installing?  If so, what were they?
>
> Brian
>
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Re: Linux Mint Cinnamon

[Matthew Gibson]

Yes, you can set different backgrounds for different monitors and
workspaces. I have no idea about multi clocks

On Thu, Sep 6, 2018, 5:23 PM Jim  wrote:

> I'm trying out Linux Mint Cinnamon and I have a couple of questions.
>
>
> Is it possible to have a separate background image for each desktop?
>
> I like that the clock in the panel displays in a 24 hour format. However
> I want to see the time in multiple time zones.  I'd like multiple copies
> of a clock applet, each showing a different time zone.  Any ideas?
>
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Re: Containers

[Matthew Gibson]

I haven't necessarily tried to recreate an environment as I have attempted
to use an image provided by seafile.


On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 4:08 PM James Mcphee  wrote:

> I use docker quite a bit.  It's an intentionally crippled version of
> containers that forces you to obey certain design patterns.  Sure you CAN
> get around them, but they exist for a reason.  For sanity's sake, I suggest
> using docker-compose or some other form of automation to recreate your
> environments correctly each time.  Puppet or whatnot is also perfectly
> acceptable.
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 3:39 PM Todd Cole  wrote:
>
>> 1St I have not used docker as of yet.
>> I have been using LXC for over 3 years and with a bit of a learning curve
>> I enjoy it, containers are faster than kvm smaller and easy to move and
>> migrate or duplicate
>> I use turnkey linux for a few of the prebuilt containers.
>> a easy inrto is to use Proxmox as a gui to kvm/lxc and after updates you
>> can click install turnkey linux containers
>> stop by the installfest for a demo or to assist building it and there may
>> be a docker person there also
>>
>> Todd
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 1:26 PM, Matthew Gibson <
>> guanjun.de.geliq...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 你们好。
>>>
>>> So, I understand that containers are a good thing. I have been trying to
>>> install seafile via docker, following the guide found online at seafile's
>>> website. However when I attempt to invoke the dock with it utilizing
>>> /opt/seafile as the root directory for the instance, I get errors that the
>>> dock can't create directories during the initialization.
>>>
>>> At this point I'm ready to give up on trying to use containers and
>>> simply install upon the bare metal. Thoughts? Ideas?
>>> Any requests for specific error output will be delivered when I can get
>>> back home and get to it from my computer instead of my phone.
>>>
>>> -Matt
>>>
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>>
>>
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Open Broadcast Software

[Matthew Gibson]

你们好。

I'm trying to set up obs on an ubuntu 18 box using a blackmagic design
intense pro capture card to broadcast church services for my church to
another location. I'm having a difficult time with getting the card set up
in obs. Ubuntu detects the card via lspci. I was not seeing any problems
through journalctl or dmesg when I looked through those two briefly.

The software debs I found at the blackmagic website will start to be
installed through ubuntus software management application, but no joy as
far as a runnable package.

Help?

-Matt
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Containers

[Matthew Gibson]

你们好。

So, I understand that containers are a good thing. I have been trying to
install seafile via docker, following the guide found online at seafile's
website. However when I attempt to invoke the dock with it utilizing
/opt/seafile as the root directory for the instance, I get errors that the
dock can't create directories during the initialization.

At this point I'm ready to give up on trying to use containers and simply
install upon the bare metal. Thoughts? Ideas?
Any requests for specific error output will be delivered when I can get
back home and get to it from my computer instead of my phone.

-Matt
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Re: This month's meeting is special

[Matthew Gibson]

This one is thursday may 10th at 7pm, located in chandler at the desert
breeze police substation.

It would be a bit out of the way, but I am willing to make the trip, unless
there is another willing to bring you.

On Tue, May 8, 2018, 2:10 PM Eric Oyen  wrote:

> hmmm. you would still have to travel a ways west. I am out by avondale
> here.
>
> still, no one has mentioned the meeting location or time. the last one I
> attended was at the sequoia school and I am not even sure where that is.
>
> -eric
>
> On May 8, 2018, at 2:07 PM, Matthew Gibson wrote:
>
> I can possibly help with getting you there. I work in north scottsdale.
> Off by 5pm.
>
> On Tue, May 8, 2018, 9:04 AM Eric Oyen  wrote:
>
>> that can work. :)
>>
>> So, who wants to start?
>> btw, one important question: where, exactly, is the meeting location?
>> this is important especially if I end up taking local transit. I will need
>> to know where the nearest stop is.
>>
>> -eric
>>
>> On May 8, 2018, at 8:26 AM, Carruth, Rusty wrote:
>>
>> > Hey, Eric!  (And everyone else)
>> >
>> > If there's nobody out there who can make it here and back, maybe
>> someone can bring you here and someone else take you back.
>> >
>> > If you can get here, I might be able to get you back
>> >
>> > I'll leave part of my signature here so we can start a smaller direct
>> email list of those working on getting you here and back.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Rusty Carruth | Customer Support | rusty.carr...@smarth.com |
>> http://www.smarth.com
>> >
>> >
>> > See us on Storage Searchhttp://www.storagesearch.com/smart2.html
>> >
>> > 510-624-5391   | Fax: 480-926-5579   | 1325 N. Fiesta Blvd.  Suite 101
>> Gilbert, Az. 85233
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] On
>> Behalf Of Eric Oyen
>> > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 10:41 PM
>> > To: Main PLUG discussion list
>> > Subject: Re: This month's meeting is special
>> >
>> > well,
>> > it has been that long hasn't it?
>> >
>> > Hell, I was one of the original steering committee members that finally
>> formalized the users group. btw, I was the first founding member who was
>> (and still is) blind.
>> >
>> > Believe it or not, Linux was the first OS to have any real
>> accessibility available as software (pretty much long before Apple came
>> upon the accessibility market in 2005). Sure, there was JAWS, Window Eyes,
>> Thunder, System Access… All of those were closed source and all exceedingly
>> expensive (and in 3 cases, requiring external hardware to work most
>> effectively).  So, yeah, I have the best reason that I used (and still do
>> in some fashion) linux..
>> >
>> > Anyway, I would like a ride to this meeting and event. I am asking now
>> (since this is not last minute). I would like the ride. I am still located
>> out here on the st side (near 83rd ave and Indianschool rd). I would take
>> the bus, but that system isn't quite so reliable. It takes longer than 2
>> hours to get to the east side of town from here (including wait times,
>> transfers and other nonsense). Getting back would prove even more
>> problematic as service cuts off after 9 PM in most locations.
>> >
>> > So, I am requesting this ride (it would be far faster carpooling anyway
>> and less of a hazard for me as crossing streets around here is no longer as
>> safe as it once was).
>> >
>> > btw, I can be contacted by return email or via phone at (623)399-5635.
>> Please don't forget.
>> >
>> > -eric
>> >
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Re: This month's meeting is special

[Matthew Gibson]

I can possibly help with getting you there. I work in north scottsdale. Off
by 5pm.

On Tue, May 8, 2018, 9:04 AM Eric Oyen  wrote:

> that can work. :)
>
> So, who wants to start?
> btw, one important question: where, exactly, is the meeting location? this
> is important especially if I end up taking local transit. I will need to
> know where the nearest stop is.
>
> -eric
>
> On May 8, 2018, at 8:26 AM, Carruth, Rusty wrote:
>
> > Hey, Eric!  (And everyone else)
> >
> > If there's nobody out there who can make it here and back, maybe someone
> can bring you here and someone else take you back.
> >
> > If you can get here, I might be able to get you back
> >
> > I'll leave part of my signature here so we can start a smaller direct
> email list of those working on getting you here and back.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rusty Carruth | Customer Support | rusty.carr...@smarth.com |
> http://www.smarth.com
> >
> >
> > See us on Storage Searchhttp://www.storagesearch.com/smart2.html
> >
> > 510-624-5391   | Fax: 480-926-5579   | 1325 N. Fiesta Blvd.  Suite 101
> Gilbert, Az. 85233
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] On
> Behalf Of Eric Oyen
> > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 10:41 PM
> > To: Main PLUG discussion list
> > Subject: Re: This month's meeting is special
> >
> > well,
> > it has been that long hasn't it?
> >
> > Hell, I was one of the original steering committee members that finally
> formalized the users group. btw, I was the first founding member who was
> (and still is) blind.
> >
> > Believe it or not, Linux was the first OS to have any real accessibility
> available as software (pretty much long before Apple came upon the
> accessibility market in 2005). Sure, there was JAWS, Window Eyes, Thunder,
> System Access… All of those were closed source and all exceedingly
> expensive (and in 3 cases, requiring external hardware to work most
> effectively).  So, yeah, I have the best reason that I used (and still do
> in some fashion) linux..
> >
> > Anyway, I would like a ride to this meeting and event. I am asking now
> (since this is not last minute). I would like the ride. I am still located
> out here on the st side (near 83rd ave and Indianschool rd). I would take
> the bus, but that system isn't quite so reliable. It takes longer than 2
> hours to get to the east side of town from here (including wait times,
> transfers and other nonsense). Getting back would prove even more
> problematic as service cuts off after 9 PM in most locations.
> >
> > So, I am requesting this ride (it would be far faster carpooling anyway
> and less of a hazard for me as crossing streets around here is no longer as
> safe as it once was).
> >
> > btw, I can be contacted by return email or via phone at (623)399-5635.
> Please don't forget.
> >
> > -eric
> >
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