Re: fan issues with system76 gazelle running gentoo

[Michael Butash]

If lmsensors doesn't see the fans, how about in the bios?  Bios should 
show the rpm there, if not, that sounds like the hardware monitoring 
chip died.  Not exactly the most sophisticated things.


If bios sees it, but os cannot, I'd check there isn't a bios update for 
"feature upgrades" related to acpi monitoring.  Vendor bios acpi 
implementations always leave something to be desired here, and they 
probably had some workaround in place with whatever they shipped it with.


This is where windows laptop vendors always tweak drivers for their 
units, but no such attention from most vendors for linux. This is what 
dell does for their "developer edition" laptops that come with tweaked 
distro installs and their own repos, and others that support linux like 
system76.  As I often find, they don't always "just work" otherwise.


-mb


On 11/24/2016 01:56 AM, herminio.hernande...@gmail.com wrote:

I am gentoo installed on my system76 gazelle laptop. I just got it this week
and for some reason I cannot control the fan speed.Even when idle the fan
runs. I installed lm_sensors, however it does not detect the fan (see below).
Has anyone ran into something similar before?

Thanks!

gentoo-gazelle ~ # sensors
acpitz-virtual-0
Adapter: Virtual device
temp1:+37.0°C  (crit = +120.0°C)

coretemp-isa-
Adapter: ISA adapter
Physical id 0:  +37.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 0: +34.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 1: +35.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 2: +36.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 3: +33.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)


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Re: new external drive

[Michael Butash]

  
  
I'd say you have a bad unit.  Try pulling the drive out of it and
  connecting it direct to a sata bus and see if that works to get a
  response to the bus.  Either the drive, or the usb converter chip
  could be dead.

I began to find at one point years ago my chances of buying those
  cheap external enclosure "backup drives" meant more than likely
  they would be doa, die soon, or otherwise cause me grief (like
  causing systems not to post with them connected) indicating some
  sort of electrical short.  More often than not, usb drives are
  crap.

What I have found is vendors sell _garbage_ drives as "usb", most
  have signfiicantly lower warranties (6mo-1yr vs 3-5yr) and mtbf
  rates.  This means you're usually buying the stuff that doesn't
  otherwise cut muster for desktop or enterprise use.  

More simply: Expect they will die, and fast.
What I do here is buy a normal desktop drive with a good 
  
  warranty, get an enclosure myself, put it together myself, and run
  them this way.  I rarely lose a disk, much better quality over
  all.

-mb


On 11/24/2016 12:03 PM, Michael wrote:


  
I got a problem. This new drive won't format. Linux saw it
  when I first plugged it in. I then tried copying some files to
  it which resulted in an error appearing after 5-10 minutes
  telling me to open windows and run 'chkdsk \f' on the device.
  Then I plugged it into windows10 and couldn't figure out how
  to open a terminal so I decided to format it. But it wouldn't
  format. When I attempt to it flashes twice a second for a
  little then a long flash then again quickly. So I figured I
  would attempt the format with Linux but Linux doesn't see the
  drive now so no formatting with it. Can someone help?
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nvidia + linux

[Michael Butash]

So far I am NOT impressed with my choice to go with nvidia, as the 
graphics change from amd has caused everything to become entirely 
unstable again.


KDE neon is a basketcase, again with these nvidia binary drivers.  
Installing what I thought would have been generally resolved from 5.7.4 
on my amd build, with nvidia it's doing all the weird "unable to keep 
displays straight in the wm" problem, and causes me to reboot daily when 
plasma components finally just crash.  This seems partially due to 
nvidia drivers not playing well, as amd oss drivers were perfect when 
last I'd used 5.7.4.


Eventually since it *was* working with my old intel mobo (z97+intel i7 
haswell cpu), I literally just popped in my old ssd and install I was 
using for a year, installed nvidia drivers, and went to work with the 
new system, a dual cpu xeon e5 v4 mobo. Yep, same buggy as hell with a 
clean neon install as with my old ubuntu 16.04 with neon ppa overlays.  
Totally different beast, bugs, instability, I couldn't even get luks to 
unlock my disk at splash properly with this system.  I got it working 
booting single-user and disabling grub splash, but every time I power 
off displays, kde entirely poops the bed and crashes.  Wonderful, thanks 
guys.


Game-wise, once I got to a workable os with my old ubuntu, The Witcher 2 
ran great with nvidia, much prettier than my amd with all the effects 
cranked even at 3840x2160.  Then I play Portal 2 and it crashes as soon 
as I begin actually moving around past the intro.  Shadow of Mordor was 
as broken with nvidia binaries as it was with amd oss drivers, not 
rendering half the main mesh object constructs in the game, including 
most of my armor and the ground map.  Not seeing most of the ground did 
give me a slight tactical advantage in playing it, but not exactly the 
way I wished to do so.


All in all, my new system is proving most challenging to get anything to 
behave on, and I'm thinking this 1070gtx card is just another whole new 
devil I don't know, and debating if I even want to.


Is this a consistent experience using nvidia and kde for others? Or 
nvidia + other wm...?  Curious what people are using, and not being 
driven insane with catastrophic bugs, if folks *do * use multiple displays.


I'm thinking I need to re-explore wm's as kde figures out their 
multi-monitor brokenness.  As broken as it is, everything else only 
seems more so, hopefully others are winning where kde is not.


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grub + gpt (and arch, oh my)

[Michael Butash]

So taking to heart that perhaps I have simply outgrown ubuntu and its 
ilk, I decide to explore arch again.  So far, it's been painful.


In "the good old days" of everything being 512byte sectors, circular 
geometry, and new-fangled ssd with this ^2 thing, I adapted my installs 
to align things with fdisk, but most things indicated to "just use gpt" 
that "does it automagically".  Ok, except I can't seem to make it work, 
years ago last time I tried, or apparently now.


Using gdisk, I adhered to arch docs to create a small 1mb partition 
first that grub can install itself into after mbr and before the actual 
grub disk.  I thus ended up with 3 partitions, sdx1 for the bios slice, 
sdx2 for a 1g /boot slice with ext3, and the rest into sdx3 I make for 
luks+lvm pv for root and everything else.  I build this using gpt, build 
all partitions, mount them in /mnt, and pacstrap everything 
successfully.  I make the initrd, install grub to the disk, all goes 
flawlessly showing no errors.


Except my system refuses to boot off it.

Bios boot order specified that disk as first, and with my neon install, 
it did.  I ssd secure-erased with hdparm, and rebuilt with the prior 
layout, and this just refuses to work with grub, and what I presume is 
gpt complication.


Info on using gpt and NOT EFI for bios-based legacy boot systems seems 
really scarce... am I just doing something wrong here? Really just 
following these guides for arch here, the install seems ok itself, 
mostly just can't figure out why grub is being odd.  This was step one 
with an old disk and using to experiment some before I have my actual 
usage drives, ideally a mdraid set of two of these that is waiting on 
shipping atm.


https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/installation_guide

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#BIOS_systems

I did find some ambiguity about *which* grub to use, trying both "pacman 
-S grub" or using grub-bios packages, neither made the mobo even think 
about booting off it.


I did find some other notes in using fdisk still after gdisk makes them 
to set them bootable, which I did as well - still nada.


I'm open to some suggestions here wtf I'm doing wrong from arch, and 
general power users that have attempted using gpt.


-mb


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Re: nvidia + linux

[Michael Butash]

  
  
How many displays do you run Stephen?  Do they ever disconnect, or
go away like a laptop being detached between home and work?

Do you use kde display to manage them, nvidia-settings, some
combination of both?  Do you have it write an xorg.conf?

Quick test if you'd humor me - detach a display hard that the system
is setup for, and tell me how bad kde freaks out in moving stuff
around if you do so a few times.  Even better, detach all of them,
and reconnect them all back, which is what mine effectively do.  My
samsung tv's show disconnected to the gpu when I power them down, so
the desktop is essentially left with "no displays", and then loses
its mind.

KDE usually handles me disconnecting displays once, randomly moving
the task bar around, resetting my wallpapers, and moving my in-use
windows about.  It puts things back in a pretty wishy-washy fashion,
but another disconnect of the displays causes it to lose its mind
entirely, crashing to usually even get displays showing anything
again.  Reboot time then.

I went to 16.04 with plasmas 5 because plasma4 was so fundamentally
broken with xrandr it would never work right for placement of
displays (abandoned support for kde4), and plasma5 while attempts
to, is still horribly broken it seems.  Can't seem to win with it.

There is a novel-length bug posted on this behavior myself and
others have been posting information to KDE folks for, but oddly
just doesn't seem most people have run into this when displays "go
away".

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356225

-mb


On 11/25/2016 03:01 PM, Stephen
  Partington wrote:


  
I have had no issues running Kbuntu and the
  1070 with the binary drivers from repo.


  
  
On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 3:00 PM,
  Michael Butash <m...@butash.net>
  wrote:
  So far I
am NOT impressed with my choice to go with nvidia, as the
graphics change from amd has caused everything to become
entirely unstable again.
  

  


  

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Another example of why not to use microsoft products

[Michael Butash]

The grinch that encrypted most of San Francisco Municipal's subway 
systems over black friday:


http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/11/26/you-hacked-cyber-attackers-crash-muni-computer-system-across-sf/

Like a good little worm, it just worked its way into everything it 
could, and here it found a ripe network full of windoze systems.


Do you *really* trust this couldn't happen to your 
business|house|government|life built on Microsoft technology?


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Re: yet one more reason why windows cannot be trusted.

[Michael Butash]

Great minds think alike.

It is a bit horrifying, though anyone that has been on the admin end of 
windoze, either directly or indirectly, knows how bad it can be.  This 
really is a prime example of why not to use it, imho.


Linux, it's not just for those tinfoil hat people anymore.

-mb


On 11/27/2016 06:13 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

ooop. only when I dug down into my smart mail folder did I realize that someone 
else had also posted this.

-eric

On Nov 27, 2016, at 6:03 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:


I read it and still am aghast at the level of infiltration (and I am not just 
talking the worm either).

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/11/26/you-hacked-cyber-attackers-crash-muni-computer-system-across-sf/

-eric (at the home office of the technomage guild)

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Re: Another example of why not to use microsoft products

[Michael Butash]

It was quite malicious, with a big "fu, pay me!" message and where to 
send fund negotiations via email.  Stakes go up some if City of San 
Francisco wants to collect toll on their subways come tomorrow morning 
hitting work day.


This is a gigantic burn to them, something the SF Muni IT themselves 
likely can't handle recovery in any mass scale themselves (being 
probably just run of the mill underpaid government windoze admins).  No 
one really knows how anything in Cali stays afloat with revenue they 
have let alone now they can't even collect what they should thanks to 
every windows system letting itself be owned.


I'm really interested to see what comes of this.  It should be a 
foreboding tale of things to come for others.


-mb


On 11/27/2016 07:18 PM, Keith Smith wrote:



Civil disobedience of the computer kind!! I'm going to guess they were 
not malicious, which makes this humorous.





On 2016-11-27 14:33, Michael Butash wrote:

The grinch that encrypted most of San Francisco Municipal's subway
systems over black friday:

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/11/26/you-hacked-cyber-attackers-crash-muni-computer-system-across-sf/ 



Like a good little worm, it just worked its way into everything it
could, and here it found a ripe network full of windoze systems.

Do you *really* trust this couldn't happen to your
business|house|government|life built on Microsoft technology?

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Re: Another example of why not to use microsoft products

[Michael Butash]

  
  
That is probably like saying government should be sued for being
  inept.
-mb


On 11/27/2016 08:59 PM, Michael wrote:


  maybe microsoft could be sued for the ease  it can
be hacked?
  
On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 9:36 PM,
  Michael Butash <m...@butash.net>
  wrote:
  It was
quite malicious, with a big "fu, pay me!" message and where
to send fund negotiations via email.  Stakes go up some if
City of San Francisco wants to collect toll on their subways
come tomorrow morning hitting work day.

This is a gigantic burn to them, something the SF Muni IT
themselves likely can't handle recovery in any mass scale
themselves (being probably just run of the mill underpaid
government windoze admins).  No one really knows how
anything in Cali stays afloat with revenue they have let
alone now they can't even collect what they should thanks to
every windows system letting itself be owned.

I'm really interested to see what comes of this.  It should
be a foreboding tale of things to come for others.

-mb

  


On 11/27/2016 07:18 PM, Keith Smith wrote:

  
  
  Civil disobedience of the computer kind!! I'm going to
  guess they were not malicious, which makes this
  humorous.
  
  
  
  
          On 2016-11-27 14:33, Michael Butash wrote:
  
The grinch that encrypted most of San Francisco
Municipal's subway
systems over black friday:

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/11/26/you-hacked-cyber-attackers-crash-muni-computer-system-across-sf/


Like a good little worm, it just worked its way into
everything it
could, and here it found a ripe network full of
windoze systems.

Do you *really* trust this couldn't happen to your
business|house|government|life built on Microsoft
technology?

-mb

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Re: NOTHING WILL COMPLETE (ipv6)

[Michael Butash]

  
  
Ah, your system got a v6 autoconfig address or something that it
  thinks it's functional enough to use.  I've seen this before, your
  stack is wanting to use v6, but v6 no workie in reality.  More
  than a few companies spontaneously broke with this sort of
  behavior at large when a network guy randomly plays with v6
  features in the router.

Problem is v6 is still a sad state of affairs as a whole, and
  _not_ automagical to work without some serious elbow grease plus
  giving a damn still.
Best to usually just disable it until you have need to otherwise
  use it specifically that you're going to ensure it works.  I've
  seen this wreak havoc in a network with partial (ahem, someone
  screwing around) enabling v6 that hosts start trying to use it,
  but really can't.  Usually it's disabled locally in the network
  config or via GPO push for windoze, under linux using a kernel
  flag.


sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1
sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6=1

Far as I know cox doesn't still support ipv6 in residential (their
folks and vendors can't figure it out either), so unless you're
tunneling a device to a v6 provider with a real good reason to do
so, there isn't much point.  Keeping v6 on and default also leaves
your system potentially open to exploit (no one is administratively
preventing attacks against you here either probably), most best
practices state to disable it unless you enable with reason.

As a network guy, dealing with the 128bit v6 addressing makes my
head hurt, I just hope to retire before I really have to care about
supporting it in reality.  Vendors still can't get clients to play
well universally, even android is one of the biggest offenders of
this still, each has quirks (autoconfigure vs dhcpv6?), and
generally only used where there is no option.  Everyone who could
hoarded most of the v4 addresses, they now sell like gold while
everyone else struggles with v6 doom.

-mb


On 12/01/2016 07:16 AM, Michael wrote:


  figured it out... the modem needed a refresh.
  
On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Michael
  
  wrote:
  
I restarted the computer and things load as
  normal but I have no connectivity. So I restarted and load
  windows to see if it was a Linux problem. After windows
  finally started Google and Facebook were the only pages
  that would load of five or six. What does it sound like
  the problem is?

  

  On Nov 30, 2016 9:48 PM,
"Stephen Partington" 
wrote:

  
sounds
  like connectivity issues with IPv6
  
  
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at
  6:18 PM, Michael 
  wrote:
  
it froze again. last line:
  
89% [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com
  (2001:67c:1560:8001::11)]            
    
  
  
  


  

  On Wed, Nov
30, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Michael 
wrote:

   Well, I don't know
about "nothing" but I try to
open a libreoffice calc document
and it won't open all the way.
Theprogress bar goes almost all
the way but not quite. So I
try to open another but the same
thing happens. And another
and another. Then I try to
update the computer but it
won't. Then I try  to update
with apt but it freezes on
apt-get update... this is the
last line: 


 

Alternative FS OS Installs (btrfs, zfs)

[Michael Butash]

Anyone using "alternative" file system methods like btrfs or zfs to boot 
with?  Nothing seems too native, but can be made to work it seems, just 
wondering if this is one of those "should do" vs. "can do".


The notion of something that can do raid, encryption, volume management, 
and snapshot features is attractive, but I've always layered mdraid, 
luks encryption, lvm, then ext atop that.  This has been pretty solid 
when the ssd's don't die 3-6 months later, even with aligning partition 
to block boundaries and such, trim, etc.  I'd love to have one single 
encrypted partitions I can use volumes within for the os mounts, btrfs 
and zfs in theory do most of this now.


How well is really the question...

Commentary appreciated!

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Re: Alternative FS OS Installs (btrfs, zfs)

[Michael Butash]

  
  
Are you using it as a single partition install, and/or any raid
  with btrfs?  

My idea is to replace mdadm, the fact I have to make /boot first,
  and all the other complexities of the layers that come with.  I'm
  not fond of the notion of file-based encryption with encfs, I
  prefer the whole disk as with SSD, I see no performance
  degradation as with a spinner+encryption.
Much like yourself, I was intending to play with lvmcache with
  this build around my bigger spinners (damn game installs are huge
  these days to keep on ssd), but otherwise really would love to
  just do away with all of that and use zfs/btrfs in one suite for
  the disk management for all that can do the caching internally
  too.

ZFS is attractive for zpool functionality, but much of it is in
  theory same as what btrfs offers so I don't have much of a pref. 
  I'll be using these on some nvme drives, so I doubt I'd need
  another fast(er) disk to cache zilog too, but would be nice for
  some 2tb disks I'm putting in for games and such would be nice.
-mb


On 12/03/2016 12:33 PM, Stephen
  Partington wrote:


  So far btrfs has been treating my server very
nicely 
  
On Dec 3, 2016 12:22 PM, "Michael
  Butash" <m...@butash.net> wrote:
  Anyone
using "alternative" file system methods like btrfs or zfs to
boot with?  Nothing seems too native, but can be made to
work it seems, just wondering if this is one of those
"should do" vs. "can do".

The notion of something that can do raid, encryption, volume
management, and snapshot features is attractive, but I've
always layered mdraid, luks encryption, lvm, then ext atop
that.  This has been pretty solid when the ssd's don't die
3-6 months later, even with aligning partition to block
boundaries and such, trim, etc.  I'd love to have one single
encrypted partitions I can use volumes within for the os
mounts, btrfs and zfs in theory do most of this now.

How well is really the question...

Commentary appreciated!

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Re: Alternative FS OS Installs (btrfs, zfs)

[Michael Butash]

Interesting notes on this, more ways ubuntu tends to keep fscking with 
me, though seems more systemic too.


So I have noted ubuntu and arch both have "how-to" guides to booting 
zfs, so word up, lets do it, my neon system keeps getting worse.  Nope.


Ubuntu apparently doesn't know how to recognize my NVMe drives still to 
enumerate them via /dev/disk/by-* in their 4.4.* kernel, and forcing it 
up to 4.8.12 kernel doesn't help either.  Which coincidentally most 
things like zfs tend to sanity-check against with moving hardware 
devices and relying on uuid symlinks.  Bad assumption by ZFS.


This is a udev thing, adding rules should work, done this before, this 
problem has existed since 2015.  Nope.


Two days later, I can't seem to figure out how to trick ubuntu udev into 
actually making the damn nvme drives enumerate with udev enough to 
appear.  Tried adding udev rules approved myself everywhere, rebaking 
initrd images with rules, they just refuse to work.


Finally tried arch's iso and hacking around the default iso to add 
arch-zfs libs/repos to even build the pool there natively, and they 
won't install zfs kernel libs compatible with the iso initrd.  Great.


The joys of new hardware and laggard distros.  I think it would work if 
I could just build the damn zpools and make udev notice they were 
there.  Argh!


I'm starting to read up on btrfs, apparently the NVMe drives on Linux 
are broken enough to mess with every distro.  Hopefully btrfs doesn't 
have the same broken assumptions of udev.


-mb


On 12/03/2016 12:22 PM, Michael Butash wrote:
Anyone using "alternative" file system methods like btrfs or zfs to 
boot with?  Nothing seems too native, but can be made to work it 
seems, just wondering if this is one of those "should do" vs. "can do".


The notion of something that can do raid, encryption, volume 
management, and snapshot features is attractive, but I've always 
layered mdraid, luks encryption, lvm, then ext atop that.  This has 
been pretty solid when the ssd's don't die 3-6 months later, even with 
aligning partition to block boundaries and such, trim, etc.  I'd love 
to have one single encrypted partitions I can use volumes within for 
the os mounts, btrfs and zfs in theory do most of this now.


How well is really the question...

Commentary appreciated!

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Re: Alternative FS OS Installs (btrfs, zfs)

[Michael Butash]

  
  
I thought I'd read there was some native encryption in btrfs
  added at some point, but seems they indicate to just continue to
  use luks here too.  All in all, I'm trying to remove these
  "layers", otherwise I'm pretty good with just sticking to my
  current mechanisms.  This is what they seem to indicate doing, but
  now I still need either efi or grub partitions again.  Ugh.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#Creating_btrfs_subvolumes

Encryption is a big component for me, with raid and volume
management secondary.  Simplicity would be nice, but manageable
complexity would be nice as well, as this has worked for me for the
past 10 years.

The whole gpt thing even with a regular sata ssd I just simply could
not get to work with arch, which was a bit disappointing.  I really
want to make arch work, it always sounds great, but I've never made
it work for me long enough I haven't gotten annoyed with some form
of brokenness too.

Maybe I'll just stick to mbr+mdadm/luks/lvm/ext4, still seems the
best, most reliable thing going as far as linux is concerned.

-mb


On 12/04/2016 04:22 PM, Kevin Fries
  wrote:


  I have tried both, and the built in nature of
BTRFS has sold me over ZFS. Both worked great for me, but BTRFS
is batteries included.  That being said, I pretty much
exclusively use Arch which tends to have much more current
everything than Ubuntu.


Kevin
  
  
    On Dec 3, 2016 12:22 PM, "Michael
  Butash" <m...@butash.net> wrote:
  Anyone
using "alternative" file system methods like btrfs or zfs to
boot with?  Nothing seems too native, but can be made to
work it seems, just wondering if this is one of those
"should do" vs. "can do".

The notion of something that can do raid, encryption, volume
management, and snapshot features is attractive, but I've
always layered mdraid, luks encryption, lvm, then ext atop
that.  This has been pretty solid when the ssd's don't die
3-6 months later, even with aligning partition to block
boundaries and such, trim, etc.  I'd love to have one single
encrypted partitions I can use volumes within for the os
mounts, btrfs and zfs in theory do most of this now.

How well is really the question...

Commentary appreciated!

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Re: USB Booting Woes

[Michael Butash]

  
  
Your situation sounds a bit like mine with a disk a few years
  ago.

I had a 2tb usb drive a few years ago, a WD usb disk that worked
  for about a week in my system without issue.  One day I had to
  reboot, and found the system just simply wouldn't even post bios
  or anything.  I'd actually forgotten about the disk as "the last
  new thing added" and began to freak out that my mobo died. 
  Eventual rational troubleshooting kicked, and I began removing
  hardware, which was just usb connections.  Rebooting it then it
  came right up, and narrowing things down, found it was that damn
  disk.
I ended up voiding the warranty and gutting the disk from their
  crappy enclosure to test in another generic one I had around, and
  it worked fine.
All I could presume was that the crappy little mass-mass produced
  usb chip was more unstable chinese garbage shipped in ignorance by
  vendors, and simply wrote it off.  It was a big reason I don't buy
  WD drives today, and or "pre-made" usb drives in general.
Almost every one I've ever had has been crap, and gets a fraction
  of the life of any other drive.  I presume disk vendors use thei
  mobility as an excuse to sell off the crap that doesn't pass
  enterprise or desktop QA, and thus gets shrifted down into
  something people expect to fail.
Best I can say is get a real desktop disk with a real warranty
  (more than the 1yr only usb disks always give you - with reason),
  and get yourself an external enclosure to diy.
-mb


On 12/10/2016 08:23 AM, Mark Phillips
  wrote:


  

  I have an old laptop running Linux version 4.8.0-1-amd64
(Debian 5.4.1-3) that I use as a "headless" server for
backups and Plex. It has two USB drives attached to it for
the backups and the media files. 

  
  I have issues whenever I reboot the laptop. It appears to be
  trying to boot off the backup USB drive for hours, then gives
  up and goes to the internal hard drive and boots the rest of
  the way. It freezes in the initial bios boot up screen. F2 and
  F12 do not respond...it is as if the machine is frozen or
  dead, but eventually it does complete booting up. The last
  entry in the bios screen is the name of the back up USB drive,
  then it hangs for a long time. Eventually it gets to the next
  entry for the bios screen which is enabling the touchpad, and
  continues to boot from there.
  

* In the bios, I changed the boot order to start with the
  internal hard drive, then the CD/DVD, and then the USB devices
  are disabled.
  

* I moved mounting the usb drives from /etc/fstab to
  autofs, which seems to work just fine. Once the machine is
  running, I can access the two drives. I had the same booting
  issues when the drives were listed in /etc/fstab.
  

* If I remove the backup USB drive and then reboot, the
  laptop boots normally and does not hang in the initial bios
  screen. 
  

* I tried moving the backup USB drive to another port
  (there are four in the laptop), but nothing changes. 
  

Any thoughts you might have on fixing this annoyance would
  be greatly appreciated!
  

Mark

  
  
  
  
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Re: H1B Visa (disney!)

[Michael Butash]

Long since tuned this thread out as far too political to care and long 
since said my piece, but found this amusing to share to those still 
following:


http://www.computerworld.com/article/3149535/it-outsourcing/disney-it-workers-in-lawsuit-claim-discrimination-against-americans.html

Now everyone run out and see Star Wars (or any other drivel they 
release) this Christmas to pay for Disney's slave H1B labor!  They need 
every last cent of profit for such a hurting organization.


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Arch migration (success!!)

[Michael Butash]

I figured if I'm going to anything, I'd prefer to go to something I can
control more, which always seems to bring me back to Arch, and more than a
few of you seem to use it too.  I attempted before and failed, but this
weekend I got there, got stable, and then found more or less all the same
desktop bugs and more, particularly with KDE, with far more pain than I'm
used to with Ubuntu or other debian derivatives.  Figured I would share
some of the experiences for better and worse even if TL:DR, but HTH someone
too.

I like certain things about Arch, but found getting it working to be a
dismal process, and one that kept teaching me just how different (or
broken) every distribution's process can be.  I simply can't imagine most
people using Arch that aren't simply diehard sysadmins, primarily even
getting it to work outside of the most basic installations.

Biggest things that totally screwed me up were my want to use GPT, these
new-fangled nvme disks that aren't still fully baked into linux, adapting
my disk/volume setup to all of this, and finding it really didn't like me
making /usr a separate partition.

GPT as far as I can tell simply doesn't work outside EFI, especially as a
legacy bios thing that has been MBR-based for eons.  Usage of GPT seems to
ass-u-me/implies it is being paired with EFI which knows these things.
Trying everything with this intel board, it simply would never boot off it,
and apparently most legacy bios are cranky about booting gpt, particularly
intel boards.  I wasted thanksgiving long weekend attempting last time,
even without raid or anything else on a standard non-nvme ssd, and never
worked.  I give up as I didn't really need GPT, but more curiosity to keep
alignment proper for ssd geometry.

I got a pair of Samsung NVME-based 950 Pro M.2 disks as my end-goal, as
their attachment to the pci-bus direct seems to be the future.
Unfortunately the tech is still new, most tools like udev still aren't
baked to detect them, and even when rigging it with rules to do so, fails
because of other things around udev not baked in either.  This includes
thins like hdparm, smart tools, any monitoring apps looking for drives at
only sd[a-z]*, zfs libs (because udev won't build /dev/disk/by-* links off
them), and most anything else looking for disks !=sd*.  Even samsung's own
firmware utility "magician" doesn't know what they are under linux.

Adapting my disk formula was actually fairly easy giving up on GPT and ZFS
already, combining MBR+ traditional linux fs tools, mdadm, luks/cryptsetup,
and lvm2 didn't so much care.  What last broke my booting linux was
combinations of mdadm and luks, and my typical habit of building /usr as a
separate partition.  I found out the hard way mdraid builds different from
initrd or a fully-booted kernel, and arch didn't seem to want to work via
UUID with grub, as it unlocks luks volumes differently in initrd than
ubuntu does (poorly in arch, imho).  Once I created a static mdadm.conf for
it, pointed grub to unlock it, it would work.  Then die on not finding /usr
to init systemd.

The usr problem was far more annoying, and took some digging, where all
recommendations I found simply didn't work.  Arch devs just never presumed
anyone would want to do that, and really have no good method of supporting
it.  Quick fix was relenting and keeping /usr on root anyways, though
annoying it wasn't so obvious with boot dying because of not getting
/sbin/init to work (really a symlink to /usr/lib/systemd/systemd or like).

After everything, I have mdraided nvme disks, luks encryption, lvm, and
ext4 atop that, so I'm at least no worse off.  ZFS was my first choice, but
linux tools not understanding nvme drives broke that as viable.  BTRFS
didn't seem to get me much with chicken and egg issues around encryption
that it would be simpler, but would have at least offered lzo compression,
if not brokenness like ZFS+udev with nvme.

Once at a desktop again, KDE with latest packages ala neon are still a
clusterfsck though, still getting my taskbar flipping around with displays
coming/going, but not Arch's fault, and at least I'm stable off of Ubuntu
so far otherwise.  I probably need to try cinnamon or mate again, something
the developers have tested more than a single monitor and video card with.

I cannot say it's been terribly worth it so far moving to Arch, but this is
only really my second full day of just simply "using it".  The fact it
really is so minimal has been a bit painful, as it requires literally
anything you might actually need to be installed, even with full desktop
meta packages.  Actually need a terminal app with kde - need to add
konsole.  Want screenshots with spectacle or music with banshee?  Need to
figure out AUR, or yaourt as I did.

Thankfully I've already learned their stupid app names for linux software
to even begin to find most (like baobab, my favorite disk space utility
with the most horrid name), but I don't expect most would/could but the
most diehard l

Re: Arch migration (success!!)

[Michael Butash]

I really had no idea GPT was such an anomaly still.  Everything I read was
like "just do it!".  Not.

First time I dealt with GPT was a laptop my work had gotten me, which was
an asus that had good resolution and dual ssd I could raid.  It was
otherwise a basketcase, acpi bugs galore, no legacy boot, and forced into
EFI booting otherwise quite annoying - I'm now pretty much F-Asus for
anything.  I stayed using my old HP Folio that I thought was bad until
that, but somewhat worked until I quit.  I really developed quite the
aversion to EFI there as yet another microsoft abortion.  GPT I figured was
an evolution of MBR, but seems more of another unwanted upsell forced upon
people during EFI/Windoze migrations too.

I think I'll stay with mbr until we have 3tb and higher SSD's to deal with
at a price point that makes them rational, and hopefully bios vendors make
not-difficult by then.  Mine are only 512gb, and GPT seems just another
unnecessary (microsoft) evil until I'm forced to boot off 3tb disks or
higher.

-mb

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> Good information, however "GPT as far as I can tell simply doesn't work
> outside EFI" this is kind of the norm.
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 6:30 PM, Michael Butash 
> wrote:
>
>> I figured if I'm going to anything, I'd prefer to go to something I can
>> control more, which always seems to bring me back to Arch, and more than a
>> few of you seem to use it too.  I attempted before and failed, but this
>> weekend I got there, got stable, and then found more or less all the same
>> desktop bugs and more, particularly with KDE, with far more pain than I'm
>> used to with Ubuntu or other debian derivatives.  Figured I would share
>> some of the experiences for better and worse even if TL:DR, but HTH someone
>> too.
>>
>> I like certain things about Arch, but found getting it working to be a
>> dismal process, and one that kept teaching me just how different (or
>> broken) every distribution's process can be.  I simply can't imagine most
>> people using Arch that aren't simply diehard sysadmins, primarily even
>> getting it to work outside of the most basic installations.
>>
>> Biggest things that totally screwed me up were my want to use GPT, these
>> new-fangled nvme disks that aren't still fully baked into linux, adapting
>> my disk/volume setup to all of this, and finding it really didn't like me
>> making /usr a separate partition.
>>
>> GPT as far as I can tell simply doesn't work outside EFI, especially as a
>> legacy bios thing that has been MBR-based for eons.  Usage of GPT seems to
>> ass-u-me/implies it is being paired with EFI which knows these things.
>> Trying everything with this intel board, it simply would never boot off it,
>> and apparently most legacy bios are cranky about booting gpt, particularly
>> intel boards.  I wasted thanksgiving long weekend attempting last time,
>> even without raid or anything else on a standard non-nvme ssd, and never
>> worked.  I give up as I didn't really need GPT, but more curiosity to keep
>> alignment proper for ssd geometry.
>>
>> I got a pair of Samsung NVME-based 950 Pro M.2 disks as my end-goal, as
>> their attachment to the pci-bus direct seems to be the future.
>> Unfortunately the tech is still new, most tools like udev still aren't
>> baked to detect them, and even when rigging it with rules to do so, fails
>> because of other things around udev not baked in either.  This includes
>> thins like hdparm, smart tools, any monitoring apps looking for drives at
>> only sd[a-z]*, zfs libs (because udev won't build /dev/disk/by-* links off
>> them), and most anything else looking for disks !=sd*.  Even samsung's own
>> firmware utility "magician" doesn't know what they are under linux.
>>
>> Adapting my disk formula was actually fairly easy giving up on GPT and
>> ZFS already, combining MBR+ traditional linux fs tools, mdadm,
>> luks/cryptsetup, and lvm2 didn't so much care.  What last broke my booting
>> linux was combinations of mdadm and luks, and my typical habit of building
>> /usr as a separate partition.  I found out the hard way mdraid builds
>> different from initrd or a fully-booted kernel, and arch didn't seem to
>> want to work via UUID with grub, as it unlocks luks volumes differently in
>> initrd than ubuntu does (poorly in arch, imho).  Once I created a static
>> mdadm.conf for it, pointed grub to unlock it, it would work.  Then die on
>> not finding /usr to init systemd.
>>
>> The usr problem was far more a

Re: Arch migration (success!!)

[Michael Butash]

I agree, this is why I keep separate /usr partitions, both to allow for
growth, and to monitor my growth.  Another weird thing Arch has such a
difficult time booting with a separate /usr, more like the dev's ass-u-me
again no one will *ever* do this...

I started doing it as a means of checks for watching growth over the
years.  In the old days of 8.04, usually a 4gb partition for /usr was fine,
and less than a gig for actual root (/).  Now I fill /usr with at least 6gb
of data on install it seems, 7-8gb is more the norm.

Use of GPT is/was really trying to keep up with tech, where early days of
SSD, fdisk was terrible about alignment, where most things can and still do
say to use GPT.  Just no one tells you it is inherently broken still on
most platforms to consider booting off of.

I'd be more inclined to try EFI, but I'm fond of consistent raid
approaches, even for boot partitions, where the inflexible FatFS nature of
EFI partition just rubs me the wrong way as it can't be made natively
redundant like I can with /boot being on mdraid partitions happily booting
linux otherwise.  Curious what others do with redundancy around EFI desktop
drives...

Even without another shed of M$ on here, it still finds a way to screw
things up.

-mb

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Steve Litt 
wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 23:17:38 -0700
> Michael Butash  wrote:
>
> > I really had no idea GPT was such an anomaly still.  Everything I
> > read was like "just do it!".  Not.
>
> At this point in time, laptop hard disks still aren't big enough to
> require EFI, and desktops have multiple disks. So what I do on laptops
> that can still do MBR is MBR format the hard disk.
>
> With my daily driver desktop, with a 4TB disk, and a 3TB disk, and a
> 256GB SSD, I MBR boot to the SSD, which also contains the whole /usr
> and /etc tree for easy bootability in these days of symlinked /usr. So
> I get the advantages of GPT on my large disks, the simple booting of
> MBR on my SSD: It works fast and beautifully.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
> December 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21
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Re: Arch migration (success!!)

[Michael Butash]

How does one handle redundant disks *properly* or *officially* with EFI?

First/Last time I dealt with EFI was an asus that had 2x SSD's (factory
raid 0[!]) that I intended to raid 1 for redundancy vs. performance.  It
had no legacy boot option at all (shame, asus), so I was forced to work
with it.  I eventually got my recipe up on it with mdadm, crypto, and lvm
with ubuntu after weeks of fiddling with it, but never really figured out a
better way to deal with efi partition.  I had setup a cronjob to rsync the
efi directory, never really tested the actual failure scenario and/or
recovery however before I gave up on the laptop otherwise (and job).

Maybe that is/was good enough, just wasn't sure how well the efi bios would
switch up disks like that, as something at the time made me believe it
wouldn't.  I've read efi is somewhat fakeraid aware, perhaps that's an
option since mdadm works with fakeraids too...

Surely I'm not the only one to do redundant disks in desktops, but do seem
to be one of an odd few.

-mb

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Kevin Fries  wrote:

> I suspect the issue was more with UDev and those fancy new drives.  I just
> wiped then installed Arch on a brand new HP laptop with GPT, zero issues.
> I especially like the lack of a separate /boot partition by reusing the
> EFI/GPT boot sector.
>
> Personally, my install was very straightforward and stable as hell.
>
> Kevin
>
> On Dec 20, 2016 9:13 AM, "Michael Butash"  wrote:
>
>> I agree, this is why I keep separate /usr partitions, both to allow for
>> growth, and to monitor my growth.  Another weird thing Arch has such a
>> difficult time booting with a separate /usr, more like the dev's ass-u-me
>> again no one will *ever* do this...
>>
>> I started doing it as a means of checks for watching growth over the
>> years.  In the old days of 8.04, usually a 4gb partition for /usr was fine,
>> and less than a gig for actual root (/).  Now I fill /usr with at least 6gb
>> of data on install it seems, 7-8gb is more the norm.
>>
>> Use of GPT is/was really trying to keep up with tech, where early days of
>> SSD, fdisk was terrible about alignment, where most things can and still do
>> say to use GPT.  Just no one tells you it is inherently broken still on
>> most platforms to consider booting off of.
>>
>> I'd be more inclined to try EFI, but I'm fond of consistent raid
>> approaches, even for boot partitions, where the inflexible FatFS nature of
>> EFI partition just rubs me the wrong way as it can't be made natively
>> redundant like I can with /boot being on mdraid partitions happily booting
>> linux otherwise.  Curious what others do with redundancy around EFI desktop
>> drives...
>>
>> Even without another shed of M$ on here, it still finds a way to screw
>> things up.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Steve Litt 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 23:17:38 -0700
>>> Michael Butash  wrote:
>>>
>>> > I really had no idea GPT was such an anomaly still.  Everything I
>>> > read was like "just do it!".  Not.
>>>
>>> At this point in time, laptop hard disks still aren't big enough to
>>> require EFI, and desktops have multiple disks. So what I do on laptops
>>> that can still do MBR is MBR format the hard disk.
>>>
>>> With my daily driver desktop, with a 4TB disk, and a 3TB disk, and a
>>> 256GB SSD, I MBR boot to the SSD, which also contains the whole /usr
>>> and /etc tree for easy bootability in these days of symlinked /usr. So
>>> I get the advantages of GPT on my large disks, the simple booting of
>>> MBR on my SSD: It works fast and beautifully.
>>>
>>> SteveT
>>>
>>> Steve Litt
>>> December 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century
>>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21
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Re: Arch migration (success!!)

[Michael Butash]

Not overly familiar with the macs, but as long as it has a real usb3 or
higher port, I'd consider something like this externally to your 2 internal
spinners, usb 3+ to m.2/nvme drive adapter:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=
9SIA54G3RY3726&cm_re=m.2_usb-_-9SIA54G3RY3726-_-Product

Usb3 is 3-4 gigabit practical speed in theory and should sustain decent
enough i/o to make use of that.  If it's new enough to have a thunderbolt
3/usb3.1 connection, those are supposedly 10 gigabit capable for roughly 2x
the throughput.

Maybe Eric should head to west texas and sue them for infringement, with
Oyen Tech.  ;)

This looked nifty too for thunderbolt3/usb3.1...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817245003&cm_re=m.2_usb-_-17-245-003-_-Product

-mb

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> I have done it with my LVMcache based solution without issue. Currently am
> running that on a Mac mini server If i could get a pair of spinners in
> there with an SSD cache i would.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Michael Butash 
> wrote:
>
>> How does one handle redundant disks *properly* or *officially* with EFI?
>>
>> First/Last time I dealt with EFI was an asus that had 2x SSD's (factory
>> raid 0[!]) that I intended to raid 1 for redundancy vs. performance.  It
>> had no legacy boot option at all (shame, asus), so I was forced to work
>> with it.  I eventually got my recipe up on it with mdadm, crypto, and lvm
>> with ubuntu after weeks of fiddling with it, but never really figured out a
>> better way to deal with efi partition.  I had setup a cronjob to rsync the
>> efi directory, never really tested the actual failure scenario and/or
>> recovery however before I gave up on the laptop otherwise (and job).
>>
>> Maybe that is/was good enough, just wasn't sure how well the efi bios
>> would switch up disks like that, as something at the time made me believe
>> it wouldn't.  I've read efi is somewhat fakeraid aware, perhaps that's an
>> option since mdadm works with fakeraids too...
>>
>> Surely I'm not the only one to do redundant disks in desktops, but do
>> seem to be one of an odd few.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Kevin Fries 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect the issue was more with UDev and those fancy new drives.  I
>>> just wiped then installed Arch on a brand new HP laptop with GPT, zero
>>> issues.  I especially like the lack of a separate /boot partition by
>>> reusing the EFI/GPT boot sector.
>>>
>>> Personally, my install was very straightforward and stable as hell.
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>> On Dec 20, 2016 9:13 AM, "Michael Butash"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree, this is why I keep separate /usr partitions, both to allow for
>>>> growth, and to monitor my growth.  Another weird thing Arch has such a
>>>> difficult time booting with a separate /usr, more like the dev's ass-u-me
>>>> again no one will *ever* do this...
>>>>
>>>> I started doing it as a means of checks for watching growth over the
>>>> years.  In the old days of 8.04, usually a 4gb partition for /usr was fine,
>>>> and less than a gig for actual root (/).  Now I fill /usr with at least 6gb
>>>> of data on install it seems, 7-8gb is more the norm.
>>>>
>>>> Use of GPT is/was really trying to keep up with tech, where early days
>>>> of SSD, fdisk was terrible about alignment, where most things can and still
>>>> do say to use GPT.  Just no one tells you it is inherently broken still on
>>>> most platforms to consider booting off of.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be more inclined to try EFI, but I'm fond of consistent raid
>>>> approaches, even for boot partitions, where the inflexible FatFS nature of
>>>> EFI partition just rubs me the wrong way as it can't be made natively
>>>> redundant like I can with /boot being on mdraid partitions happily booting
>>>> linux otherwise.  Curious what others do with redundancy around EFI desktop
>>>> drives...
>>>>
>>>> Even without another shed of M$ on here, it still finds a way to screw
>>>> things up.
>>>>
>>>> -mb
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Steve Litt >>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 23:17:38 -0700
>>>>> Michael Butash  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > I really had no idea GPT was such an a

Re: Arch migration (success!!)

[Michael Butash]

I was thinking something more you could hide discretely behind it like that
little sleeve, or just double-side tape to it somewhere.  I was a bit
surprised to see just how small those nvme disks were unboxing them, sort
of like a long thumbdrive side, with a lot of potential speed.  Shame TB1-2
devices are still stupidly expensive, presuming they are seeking to take
advantage of already overpaying apple owners.

I was reading some threads about dell and intel working on getting
TB/USB-based pci-e bus extension working properly in the linux kernel to do
things like native access as a pci-extension for storage and graphics.
Dell/Alienware sell TB3 docks that are simply usb-c or usb3.1 devices that
can take a real video card, or extend displayport graphics over them, in
theory looking like it was plugged into a pci socket virtually.  Windoze
only until recently of course, but seems effort is being made.  Perhaps one
day...

Of course, this is also how people are dma attacking macs and other devices
for password recovery...

http://blog.frizk.net/2016/12/filevault-password-retrieval.html

-mb

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> The little booger has TB2 and USB3 so something like
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4P03C27102 would work
> pretty well for large scale storage expansion.
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Michael Butash 
> wrote:
>
>> Not overly familiar with the macs, but as long as it has a real usb3 or
>> higher port, I'd consider something like this externally to your 2 internal
>> spinners, usb 3+ to m.2/nvme drive adapter:
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA54G3RY37
>> 26&cm_re=m.2_usb-_-9SIA54G3RY3726-_-Product
>>
>> Usb3 is 3-4 gigabit practical speed in theory and should sustain decent
>> enough i/o to make use of that.  If it's new enough to have a thunderbolt
>> 3/usb3.1 connection, those are supposedly 10 gigabit capable for roughly 2x
>> the throughput.
>>
>> Maybe Eric should head to west texas and sue them for infringement, with
>> Oyen Tech.  ;)
>>
>> This looked nifty too for thunderbolt3/usb3.1...
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817245
>> 003&cm_re=m.2_usb-_-17-245-003-_-Product
>>
>> -mb
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Stephen Partington > > wrote:
>>
>>> I have done it with my LVMcache based solution without issue. Currently
>>> am running that on a Mac mini server If i could get a pair of spinners in
>>> there with an SSD cache i would.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Michael Butash 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How does one handle redundant disks *properly* or *officially* with EFI?
>>>>
>>>> First/Last time I dealt with EFI was an asus that had 2x SSD's (factory
>>>> raid 0[!]) that I intended to raid 1 for redundancy vs. performance.  It
>>>> had no legacy boot option at all (shame, asus), so I was forced to work
>>>> with it.  I eventually got my recipe up on it with mdadm, crypto, and lvm
>>>> with ubuntu after weeks of fiddling with it, but never really figured out a
>>>> better way to deal with efi partition.  I had setup a cronjob to rsync the
>>>> efi directory, never really tested the actual failure scenario and/or
>>>> recovery however before I gave up on the laptop otherwise (and job).
>>>>
>>>> Maybe that is/was good enough, just wasn't sure how well the efi bios
>>>> would switch up disks like that, as something at the time made me believe
>>>> it wouldn't.  I've read efi is somewhat fakeraid aware, perhaps that's an
>>>> option since mdadm works with fakeraids too...
>>>>
>>>> Surely I'm not the only one to do redundant disks in desktops, but do
>>>> seem to be one of an odd few.
>>>>
>>>> -mb
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Kevin Fries 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I suspect the issue was more with UDev and those fancy new drives.  I
>>>>> just wiped then installed Arch on a brand new HP laptop with GPT, zero
>>>>> issues.  I especially like the lack of a separate /boot partition by
>>>>> reusing the EFI/GPT boot sector.
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, my install was very straightforward and stable as hell.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 20, 2016 9:13 AM, "Michael Butash"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>&

Re: Arch migration (success!!)

[Michael Butash]

Those worlds as stated a few years ago might have saved me much grief, but
thank you for them now still.  This really is clear as mud to someone
outside looking in like me until recently and seeing fail trying still.  I
love me some futility.

Yeah, if I wanted to spend $2k per disk I think I can get a samsung 4tb
flash drive and potentially have to boot too, but really 512gb seems best
price/storage for me.  Enough to hold a plethora of vm images to boot, temp
drives for extracting things, place for few iop-hungry games and otherwise
tend to spinners, etc.

Like Stephen, I was thinking lvmcache either on flash or ram for some
bigger spinners to keep bloated games on and raided (redundancy achievement
earned!).

-mb

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Steve Litt 
wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 10:13:16 -0700
> Michael Butash  wrote:
>
>
> > Use of GPT is/was really trying to keep up with tech, where early
> > days of SSD, fdisk was terrible about alignment, where most things
> > can and still do say to use GPT.  Just no one tells you it is
> > inherently broken still on most platforms to consider booting off of.
>
> I've had great results with GPT on drives I'm not booting to. Huge
> files, huge numbers of files, everything's great. Based on the specs I
> found in Wikipedia, I wrote a program to back up the front GPT area and
> compare it to the rear EPT area, so it's like backing up the first 512
> bytes of a MBR formatted disk.
>
>
> > I'd be more inclined to try EFI,
>
> EFI is the booting method used to boot from a GPT formatted disk. You
> can't use EFI on a disk that isn't GPT. I could write a 2000 word essay
> on the many reasons EFI boot sucks.
>
> This is the logic...
>
> If you're booting to a GPT partitioned disk, you must use EFI boot (or
> maybe that phony compatibility MBR).
>
> If you're booting EFI, your boot disk must be GPT formatted.
>
> If you're booting MBR to an MBR formatted disk, any other disks on the
> system can be GPT formatted or MBR formatted, your choice.
>
>
> SteveT
>
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Re: Arch migration (success!!)

[Michael Butash]

Exactly - the notion of this little gpu enclosure and a svelt precision/xps
13 or razor blade laptop afflicted with only a shitty intel gpu as its only
crime in life excites me:

http://www.razerzone.com/store/razer-core

I could deal with only having a real gpu at home.  Or packing one if I
really had an itch needing scratched.

-mb

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> Well they are trying to get the kernel to play nice with the PCIe
> redirection, which would be amazing.
>
> laptop with desktop GPU in its own enclosure why yes thank you.
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Michael Butash 
> wrote:
>
>> I was thinking something more you could hide discretely behind it like
>> that little sleeve, or just double-side tape to it somewhere.  I was a bit
>> surprised to see just how small those nvme disks were unboxing them, sort
>> of like a long thumbdrive side, with a lot of potential speed.  Shame TB1-2
>> devices are still stupidly expensive, presuming they are seeking to take
>> advantage of already overpaying apple owners.
>>
>> I was reading some threads about dell and intel working on getting
>> TB/USB-based pci-e bus extension working properly in the linux kernel to do
>> things like native access as a pci-extension for storage and graphics.
>> Dell/Alienware sell TB3 docks that are simply usb-c or usb3.1 devices that
>> can take a real video card, or extend displayport graphics over them, in
>> theory looking like it was plugged into a pci socket virtually.  Windoze
>> only until recently of course, but seems effort is being made.  Perhaps one
>> day...
>>
>> Of course, this is also how people are dma attacking macs and other
>> devices for password recovery...
>>
>> http://blog.frizk.net/2016/12/filevault-password-retrieval.html
>>
>> -mb
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Stephen Partington > > wrote:
>>
>>> The little booger has TB2 and USB3 so something like
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4P03C27102 would
>>> work pretty well for large scale storage expansion.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Michael Butash 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not overly familiar with the macs, but as long as it has a real usb3 or
>>>> higher port, I'd consider something like this externally to your 2 internal
>>>> spinners, usb 3+ to m.2/nvme drive adapter:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA54G3RY37
>>>> 26&cm_re=m.2_usb-_-9SIA54G3RY3726-_-Product
>>>>
>>>> Usb3 is 3-4 gigabit practical speed in theory and should sustain decent
>>>> enough i/o to make use of that.  If it's new enough to have a thunderbolt
>>>> 3/usb3.1 connection, those are supposedly 10 gigabit capable for roughly 2x
>>>> the throughput.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe Eric should head to west texas and sue them for infringement,
>>>> with Oyen Tech.  ;)
>>>>
>>>> This looked nifty too for thunderbolt3/usb3.1...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817245
>>>> 003&cm_re=m.2_usb-_-17-245-003-_-Product
>>>>
>>>> -mb
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Stephen Partington <
>>>> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have done it with my LVMcache based solution without issue.
>>>>> Currently am running that on a Mac mini server If i could get a pair of
>>>>> spinners in there with an SSD cache i would.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Michael Butash 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How does one handle redundant disks *properly* or *officially* with
>>>>>> EFI?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First/Last time I dealt with EFI was an asus that had 2x SSD's
>>>>>> (factory raid 0[!]) that I intended to raid 1 for redundancy vs.
>>>>>> performance.  It had no legacy boot option at all (shame, asus), so I was
>>>>>> forced to work with it.  I eventually got my recipe up on it with mdadm,
>>>>>> crypto, and lvm with ubuntu after weeks of fiddling with it, but never
>>>>>> really figured out a better way to deal with efi partition.  I had setup 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> cronjob to rsync the efi directory, never really tested the actual 
>>>>>> failure
>>>>>>

Re: KDE !fullscreen

[Michael Butash]

I ran across this in the settings recently, haven't had to use this, but I
think you can do so under Window Management/Window Rules there.  Size and
Position has fullscreen capabilities if it can detect your particular
window.  This is plasma 5.8.

I don't get this often outside of games luckily enough to pester me, but it
usually only happens once.  Old dark days of catalyst binaries, it would
break my multi-display desktop in odd ways, but these days not so much of
an issue.

-mb

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:05 AM, der.hans  wrote:

> Am 20. Dec, 2016 schwätzte Brian Cluff so:
>
> moin moin,
>
> that worked for the site that was annoying me yesterday. I would still
> like to have a way to tell KDE to never allow fullscreen when opening a
> new window.
>
> "Open new windows in a new tab instead" is checked in Firefox, but this
> link gets a new window anyway :(. Having that option work properly would
> have also fixed the current annoyance.
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
>
> Have you tried playing with some custom window settings for those
>> particular apps?  You should be able to force whatever window settings you
>> want on them and get them to do exactly what you would like automatically
>> in the future.
>> If you can't find it, I can show you where the settings are at Stammtisch
>> tonight.
>>
>> Brian Cluff
>>
>> On 12/20/2016 12:30 PM, der.hans wrote:
>>
>>> moin moin,
>>>
>>> I have a couple work apps ( some web, some standalone ) that insist on
>>> opening full screen. Is there a way to disable that in KDE?
>>>
>>> The only reason a normal app should go fullscreen is if I intentionally
>>> change it to fullscreen. Autofullscreen is really annoying and
>>> distracting.
>>>
>>> I currently don't care about other desktop environments. In fact, moving
>>> to KDE is how I permanently disabled fullscreen in Unity :).
>>>
>>> ciao,
>>>
>>> der.hans
>>>
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Phone pwn

[Michael Butash]

https://motherboard.vice.com/read/us-state-police-have-spent-millions-on-israeli-phone-cracking-tech-cellebrite

I've known about cellbrite for a bit, seems they've only gotten better (or
worse, relative) as a shill for your secrets to the highest bidder slurping
any/all mobile data for forensic capabilities.  Government, military,
police, or criminal, whoever can afford them.  You or I with enough enough
cash too.

So what does one do these days aside from accept that their phone can and
will be compromised with enough direct intent to do so?  This can/does
happen at some international waypoints I've read agents will "insist" they
take your phone somewhere (with a cellbrite I presume).  It seems rather
impossible to bother attempting to secure your data on any phone,
encryption or none.

Google doesn't seem to comment on what cellbrites markets as attacking
"any" android, and sadly better Apples where it's more cat and mouse, but
at least some attempt at denying it exists.  Blackberries seem to pride
themselves on secure android, but I wonder if it'd hold up to a cellbrite
ufed.

Is there really a *good* option out there that prevent this?  Why is that?

I'd just like to for once be confident in a product that it's not built
inherently with a conveniently exploitable backdoor for .gov where ever you
are, or all of them as probably more likely.  The fact cellbrite can simply
leech *any* android, and various apples as a cat and mouse effort is quite
disgusting.

Also, cellbrite's ufed tool seem capable of cloning sims, which means the
protocols in use for now gsm + probably lte are again flawed as allowing
the sim ki (private key of sorts) to be extracted from weaknesses in the
cryptographic storage internal to them (shh). Until around 2003, one could
clone gsm sims pretty trivially, only stronger crypto standards evolved to
protect it further, which I now suspect is broken too given this "tool"
existing at all.

We should crowdfund buying one to play with at an installfest, I see some
on ebay (search "cellbrite ufed").  Ebay also turns up searching it some
interesting sales of documents for test study results too.

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Re: Phone pwn

[Michael Butash]

I find these sorts of tools never stay under wraps.  I've gone digging and
found "factory-authorized only" qualcomm software to reprogram my cdma
radios over usb in the past to bring my sprint palm pre to verizon circa
2010 (sprint sucks horribly) and tweak around with windoze mobile phones at
the time too with the same tool.  I realized later what I was doing was
technically quite illegal, as software obscurity was the only real
protection they could offer to keep people from abusing cdma, cloning
phones, stealing service, etc.

Obviously not that much protection when I just found it on piratebay or
some equivalent at the time and some walkthroughs where others have done it
as well to follow.

This seems to be how most devices like cellbrite and other tools approach
exploiting the upstream os as well using "recovery" methods the
manufacturers leave in the radios and firmware for themselves (and those
that find them too).

In otherwords, I really don't think root or not, unlock or not matters
anymore.

-mb

On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> The issue with this, Is that it is now fully leaked and out there.
>
> Sadly i need to unroot my phone for it to be secure again.
>
> On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Michael Butash 
> wrote:
>
>> https://motherboard.vice.com/read/us-state-police-have-spent
>> -millions-on-israeli-phone-cracking-tech-cellebrite
>>
>> I've known about cellbrite for a bit, seems they've only gotten better
>> (or worse, relative) as a shill for your secrets to the highest bidder
>> slurping any/all mobile data for forensic capabilities.  Government,
>> military, police, or criminal, whoever can afford them.  You or I with
>> enough enough cash too.
>>
>> So what does one do these days aside from accept that their phone can and
>> will be compromised with enough direct intent to do so?  This can/does
>> happen at some international waypoints I've read agents will "insist" they
>> take your phone somewhere (with a cellbrite I presume).  It seems rather
>> impossible to bother attempting to secure your data on any phone,
>> encryption or none.
>>
>> Google doesn't seem to comment on what cellbrites markets as attacking
>> "any" android, and sadly better Apples where it's more cat and mouse, but
>> at least some attempt at denying it exists.  Blackberries seem to pride
>> themselves on secure android, but I wonder if it'd hold up to a cellbrite
>> ufed.
>>
>> Is there really a *good* option out there that prevent this?  Why is that?
>>
>> I'd just like to for once be confident in a product that it's not built
>> inherently with a conveniently exploitable backdoor for .gov where ever you
>> are, or all of them as probably more likely.  The fact cellbrite can simply
>> leech *any* android, and various apples as a cat and mouse effort is quite
>> disgusting.
>>
>> Also, cellbrite's ufed tool seem capable of cloning sims, which means the
>> protocols in use for now gsm + probably lte are again flawed as allowing
>> the sim ki (private key of sorts) to be extracted from weaknesses in the
>> cryptographic storage internal to them (shh). Until around 2003, one could
>> clone gsm sims pretty trivially, only stronger crypto standards evolved to
>> protect it further, which I now suspect is broken too given this "tool"
>> existing at all.
>>
>> We should crowdfund buying one to play with at an installfest, I see some
>> on ebay (search "cellbrite ufed").  Ebay also turns up searching it some
>> interesting sales of documents for test study results too.
>>
>> -mb
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Re: cyanogen/LineageOS phone recommendations

[Michael Butash]

I have been using Sony Xperia android phones for a long time now.  They are
one of the few that told microsoft to shove it with their patent extortion,
and their top-spec hardware is generally capable of being unlocked and
romable with xda love.

Currently using a Z5 Compact, haven't unlocked it to maintain security
updates, and not too annoying not having root.  Prior I had a Z1 Compact,
and a number of the Xperia Mini phones that were all bl-unlocked and
rommed.  I always prefer a small phone, the original mini's were 3"
androids, and still my favorite phones.  I have to settle for a large 4.6"
in the "compacts" now for modern hardware, but they're pretty nice, and the
bigger cousins for the giant phone crowds just have better displays.  They
usually do a 5.2" and a mega 6".

Only good reason to upgrade beyond a Z3 was the fingerprint reader, but Z5
is nice with it for a convenient security mechanism for using it.  The
current X Compact and XA bigger 5.2" were selling for less than 300 dollars
around black friday, deals can be had.

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Nathan  wrote:

> On 2016-12-28 12:52, Stephen Partington wrote:
>
>> The Samsung J7 is actually a good price point. As is the Moto G. and
>> they are popular enough to have some XDA love
>> http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-j7
>>
>>
>
> Yep, really gotta plug the Moto lines. That is all my wife and I have been
> using for the last several years. I can't say enough about them. I hope to
> soon upgrade to the Moto X Pure when I have the extra bucks. Hands down the
> best phone on the market.
>
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Re: Offline

[Michael Butash]

Just work your way up the network osi model in troubleshooting.  Everyone
should learn some networking these days, one way or another (speaking as a
bofh network guy that deals with non-networking app and developers folk
commonly - don't be part of the problem).


## Layer 1/2, got link? note "state"

> ip link

## If no link,  check cable plugged in for blinky lights


## Layer 3, got ip?

> ip addr

## If no ip, check dhcp on the network
## Optional: Set static ip for temporary troubleshooting, insert proper
subnets here:

ip addr add 192.168.1.100 255.255.255.0 dev eth0
ip route add default 192.168.1.1


## Layer 3, verify arp to gateway

ip nei | grep `ip route | grep default | awk '{ print $3 }'`

## If no arp for gateway, check router/switch network


## Layer 3, ping the gateway (whatever that is for you)

ping `ip route | grep default | awk '{ print $3 }'`

## If no response, check prior steps again


## Layer 3/4, verify resolv.conf dns resolution and life beyond default
route

ping google.com

## If no dns life outside router, check the router has connectivity to the
internet


## pull up a browser to google.com to test layer 4-7 stuff

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
wrote:

> I’ll guess that DHCP server on your router was dead.
>
>
>
> But to know for sure - are all your systems using DHCP, or are some using
> static?
>
>
>
> IF your windows side is set for static, and the Linux side is DHCP, then
> this would be expected - windows works, linux doesn’t.
>
>
>
> But I’m just guessing (however, I had a router once that would lose its
> DHCP server on a semi-regular basis.  I considered putting it on some sort
> of auto-reboot device (power cycle it once a day) - finally just replaced
> the stupid thing ;-)
>
>
>
> Rusty
>
>
>
> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Michael
> *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2017 1:42 PM
> *To:* PLUG
> *Subject:* Re: Offline
>
>
>
> I'm back. I just had to reset the router. but why would that work if
> windows still worked?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Michael  wrote:
>
> The TV server, also linux, is still online. It is part of the same network.
>
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2017 11:22 AM, "Michael"  wrote:
>
> I am now offline in my Linux box. Windows is up and happy and the modem is
> up and happy too. Heck, the network connection shows I'm connected too. I
> don't know what to do. What led up to this is I was trying something with
> th faulty SD card. .. grated said to run, chkdsk /f , twice so I boot into
> Windows to do that ,couldn't do it though. Then when I boot back to Linux
> to reformat it there was no connectivity.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Offline

[Michael Butash]

MTR began being installed by default in place of traceroute.  If you don't
know mtr, get it in your life.  It's usually how I know when cox has
saturation issues at their peering with buffers killing my internet, and
replaces traceroute in any number of ways.

> mtr google.com

> mtr --report -c 5 google.com
Start: Tue Jan  3 13:11:33 2017
HOST: host   Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
 1.|-- fw1.peoria1.unifiedconver  0.0% 50.3   0.3   0.2   0.3   0.0
 2.|-- ???   100.0 50.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0
 3.|-- 100.127.69.154 0.0% 59.3   9.1   8.2  10.6   0.7
 4.|-- 72.215.229.22  0.0% 59.1  11.0   9.1  13.4   2.0
 5.|-- langbprj02-ae1.0.rd.la.co  0.0% 5   21.7  21.7  21.2  22.5   0.0
 6.|-- 72.14.215.221  0.0% 5   21.1  21.4  21.1  22.1   0.0
 7.|-- 216.239.51.33  0.0% 5   22.9  22.0  21.4  22.9   0.5
 8.|-- 209.85.246.187 0.0% 5   22.2  21.7  20.6  22.4   0.5
 9.|-- 64.233.174.207 0.0% 5   37.3  37.5  36.3  40.8   1.7
10.|-- 209.85.246.39  0.0% 5   36.4  36.8  35.7  37.8   0.7
11.|-- 108.170.243.1  0.0% 5   39.7  36.9  35.5  39.7   1.5
12.|-- 108.170.237.1050.0% 5   35.9  36.1  35.0  37.6   0.9
13.|-- sfo03s01-in-f206.1e100.ne  0.0% 5   36.7  36.7  35.4  38.2   1.0

-mb

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Carruth, Rusty 
wrote:

> Excellent step-by-step!  +100 upvotes! ;-)
>
>
>
> The only thing I’d add is that, if you can get an external IP address
> (e.g. 204.110.11.131 (inficad.com - don’t ask) or 216.58.194.206 (one
> possible value for google.com) and then do a traceroute -n to that
> address, you can see (without needing DNS) if the packets get out, and how
> far they get if they don’t get all the way out….
>
>
>
> So, “traceroute -n 216.58.194.206”
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, traceroute is not always installed by default - GO DO THAT
> NOW!!! ;-) Since when you need it, you won’t be able to get it!
>
>
>
> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Michael Butash
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2017 12:34 PM
> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
> *Subject:* Re: Offline
>
>
>
> Just work your way up the network osi model in troubleshooting.  Everyone
> should learn some networking these days, one way or another (speaking as a
> bofh network guy that deals with non-networking app and developers folk
> commonly - don't be part of the problem).
>
>
> 
>
> ## Layer 1/2, got link? note "state"
>
>
>
> > ip link
>
>
>
> ## If no link,  check cable plugged in for blinky lights
>
>
> 
>
> ## Layer 3, got ip?
>
>
>
> > ip addr
>
>
>
> ## If no ip, check dhcp on the network
>
> ## Optional: Set static ip for temporary troubleshooting, insert proper
> subnets here:
>
>
>
> ip addr add 192.168.1.100 255.255.255.0 dev eth0
>
> ip route add default 192.168.1.1
>
>
> 
>
> ## Layer 3, verify arp to gateway
>
>
>
> ip nei | grep `ip route | grep default | awk '{ print $3 }'`
>
>
>
> ## If no arp for gateway, check router/switch network
>
>
> 
>
> ## Layer 3, ping the gateway (whatever that is for you)
>
>
>
> ping `ip route | grep default | awk '{ print $3 }'`
>
>
>
> ## If no response, check prior steps again
>
>
> 
>
> ## Layer 3/4, verify resolv.conf dns resolution and life beyond default
> route
>
>
>
> ping google.com
>
>
>
> ## If no dns life outside router, check the router has connectivity to the
> internet
>
>
>
> 
>
> ## pull up a browser to google.com to test layer 4-7 stuff
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
> wrote:
>
> I’ll guess that DHCP server on your router was dead.
>
>
>
> But to know for sure - are all your systems using DHCP, or are some using
> static?
>
>
>
> IF your windows side is set for static, and the Linux side is DHCP, then
> this would be expected - windows works, linux doesn’t.
>
>
>
> But I’m just guessing (however, I had a router once that would lose its
> DHCP server on a semi-regular basis.  I considered putting it on some sort
> of auto-reboot device (power cycle it once a day) - finally just replaced
> the stupid thing ;-)
>
>
>
> Rusty
>
>
>
> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Michael
> *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2017 1:42 PM
> *To:* PLUG
> *Subject:* Re: Offline
>
>
>
> I'm back. I just had to reset the router..

Re: wifi to cable

[Michael Butash]

Keep in mind, if they're saying your internet is "wifi", than they run the
infrastructure in-house, and might not allow you to bridge behind their
service.  Most wifi setups limit you to a single mac, so simply bridging
through isn't good enough, you'll need to NAT out the wifi.  This is a bit
backward from how ddwrt does it, and will require some special/custom
config.

Sort of crappy they "only" provide you a wifi-only option - is this some
sort of apartment, dorms, or...?  Considering most hotels I've been in run
the worst wifi experiences I can find, I can't imagine any MDU operations
properly manage wireless oversubscription and overuse properly to keep the
entire experience anything less than crap as a primary means of
connectivity.

You can always get one of these to deal with those pesky wifi hog
neighbors...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5JVQ-m5Kd0

Just kidding, well, sorta...

-mb

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

> not sure about that, but if you can find a DD-wrt router cheaply, you can
> burn that image on it, then set it up in bridge mode so that you can run
> able in your house and bridge to the AP from your wifi node.
>
> -eric
> from the central office of the Technomage Guild, Technical Services Dept.
>
> On Apr 2, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Michael wrote:
>
> I am going to be moving soon.  Internet is soon a part of the new location
> but it is wifi... I want cabled. I have an actiontec wps pk5000 router. I
> read that to do this I need to put dd-wrt on the boX I remember a couple of
> years ago a thread you had going where you said that we will brick it if
> you mess up. I also reAd that the pk5000 was not compatible with dd-wrt.
> Any real world experience and advise?
>
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Re: Wow... Unity, Mir, Ubuntu phone/tablet all going bye bye

[Michael Butash]

I too am a bit annoyed they threw in behind gnome, I've never been able to
use it and not be instantly annoyed since it's come out.  I've tried many
times, I just simply don't get it.  Better than Unity, but not by much, and
since I've stopped deploying ubuntu 6 months ago, much happier in general.

I've been trying to use KDE for the past 3-4 years, but I finally set a
fire to it mentally for it's sheer inability ever, EVER, figure out
multi-monitor capabilities despite hundreds of bug reports on the same
thing.  Kwin compositing is still another persistent issue, combined with
the inability to properly support multimonitor configs became too
frustrating to fsck with anymore.

I'm back to Cinnamon on Arch, which seems to be so far my best experience
with a multi-monitor desktop in years.  Compsiting is a bit wonky, get some
random pattern flashing every now and then that might give someone a
seizure, but only in some parts of the screen, and usually in some
peripheral area of my desktop that doesn't bother me much.  I can however
actually shut off my displays, turn them back on (effectively plug/unplug
the hdmi), and have it restore my desktop almost perfectly, which KDE
simply can/could never do without crashing or breaking itself in ugly ways
since 4.0.

-mb

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Nathan  wrote:

> On 2017-04-05 14:02, Brian Cluff wrote:
>
> I'm a little split.  While ultimately I think that not having Unity
>> around will better focus development at a more common level; it's sad
>> to see so much development time and energy spend on something just to
>> have it abandoned.  Hopefully the good parts of Unity will make it
>> into other projects so that they can live on.
>>
>
>
> It's interesting that you say that. It seems to me we (people in general)
> have really bad memories. Didn't they ultimately decide to fork and leave
> Gnome because the developers of Gnome refused to work with and or cooperate
> with the Canonical guys? The Gnome people haven't changed one bit, so
> Canonical must have forgotten and they suddenly think the Gnome guys will
> welcome their code bits? I don't see that happening at all. It is a shame
> the development will be lost, and more of a shame that future development
> will just be a complete waste.
>
>
>
> Too bad they couldn't have decided to shift to KDE... but that's just
>> my own self service opinion. :-)
>>
>
> I am a proud Gnome hater. I am an even prouder KDE supporter, so I second
> your opinion!
>
>
> --
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>
> Nathan
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Re: Wifi adapter

[Michael Butash]

Seeing the passthrough comment reminded me I have a weird issue with my usb
wlan nic doing something odd, might affect you doing much the same.  I
forget the flavor of nic, but once I plug it into linux, the drivers would
kick in and start locking the device.  My goal usually with it is to tend
to a windoze instance that also runs some wireless spectrum analyzer tools,
but I end up having to rmmod the driver prior to giving it to virtualbox or
windows just sees it as a broken driver state with the angry (!).

Might be something like that why it doesn't always come and go?

-mb

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Jerry Snitselaar 
wrote:

>
> Stephen M @ 2017-04-13 04:45 GMT:
>
> I went and picked one of these up at Fry's since they were $10.
> Using usb passthrough from my fedora host to the ubuntu vm, I
> can get the device to come up with either the r8188eu driver that
> comes with Ubuntu, or the 8188eu driver that tp-link provides.
>
> One thing I had to do when rebooting the vm was remove and reinsert
> the device, but that could just be an issue with using it through
> usb passthrough.
>
> This is with 14.04.3 running 3.19.0-25-generic
>
> Perhaps if you want to use the tp-link provided one, maybe blacklist
> the Ubuntu driver.
>
> snits
>
>
>
> jsnitsel@ubuntu14-32:~$ lsmod | grep 8188
> jsnitsel@ubuntu14-32:~$ lsusb
> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0bda:8179 Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0627:0001 Adomax Technology Co., Ltd
> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> jsnitsel@ubuntu14-32:~$ find /lib/modules -type f -name 8188eu.ko
> jsnitsel@ubuntu14-32:~$ cd Downloads/Driver/
> jsnitsel@ubuntu14-32:~/Downloads/Driver$ ls
> 8188eu.ko 8188eu.o  core include   modules.order   platform
>  wpa_0_8.conf
> 8188eu.mod.c  bin   hal  Kconfig   Module.symvers  runwpa
> 8188eu.mod.o  clean ifcfg-wlan0  Makefile  os_dep  wlan0dhcp
> jsnitsel@ubuntu14-32:~/Downloads/Driver$ sudo cp 8188eu.ko
> /lib/modules/`uname -r`/extra/
> [sudo] password for jsnitsel:
> jsnitsel@ubuntu14-32:~/Downloads/Driver$ sudo depmod -a
> jsnitsel@ubuntu14-32:~/Downloads/Driver$
> jsnitsel@ubuntu14-32:~/Downloads/Driver$ sudo modprobe 8188eu
> jsnitsel@ubuntu14-32:~/Downloads/Driver$ ip a show
> 1: lo:  mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group
> default
> link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
> inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> inet6 ::1/128 scope host
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> 2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
> state UP group default qlen 1000
> link/ether 52:54:00:e0:39:64 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> inet6 fe80::5054:ff:fee0:3964/64 scope link
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> 3: wlan0:  mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP
> group default qlen 1000
> link/ether d4:6e:0e:19:87:a3 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> inet 192.168.1.163/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global wlan0
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> inet6 fe80::d66e:eff:fe19:87a3/64 scope link
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> jsnitsel@ubuntu14-32:~/Downloads/Driver$ cd /sys/class/net/wlan0/device
> jsnitsel@ubuntu14-32:/sys/class/net/wlan0/device$ cat uevent
> DEVTYPE=usb_interface
> DRIVER=rtl8188eu
> PRODUCT=bda/8179/0
> TYPE=0/0/0
> INTERFACE=255/255/255
> MODALIAS=usb:v0BDAp8179ddc00dsc00dp00icFFiscFFipFFin00
> jsnitsel@ubuntu14-32:/sys/class/net/wlan0/device$ lsmod | grep 8188
> 8188eu933888  0
> cfg80211  450560  1 8188eu
> jsnitsel@ubuntu14-32:/sys/class/net/wlan0/device$ ping -c 5 google.com
> PING google.com (216.58.217.206) 56(84) bytes of data.
> 64 bytes from lax17s05-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.217.206): icmp_seq=1
> ttl=55 time=23.6 ms
> 64 bytes from lax17s05-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.217.206): icmp_seq=2
> ttl=55 time=29.9 ms
> 64 bytes from lax17s05-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.217.206): icmp_seq=3
> ttl=55 time=28.3 ms
> 64 bytes from lax17s05-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.217.206): icmp_seq=4
> ttl=55 time=22.0 ms
> 64 bytes from lax17s05-in-f14.1e100.net (216.58.217.206): icmp_seq=5
> ttl=55 time=22.6 ms
>
> --- google.com ping statistics ---
> 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4005ms
> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 22.064/25.314/29.975/3.209 ms
> jsnitsel@ubuntu14-32:/sys/class/net/wlan0/device$ uname -r
> 3.19.0-25-generic
> jsnitsel@ubuntu14-32:/sys/class/net/wlan0/device$ find /lib/modules -type
> f -name 8188eu.ko
> /lib/modules/3.19.0-25-generic/extra/8188eu.ko
> jsnitsel@ubuntu14-32:~$ cd /etc/modprobe.d/
> jsnitsel@ubuntu14-32:/etc/modprobe.d$ cat blacklist-r8188eu.conf
> blacklist r8188eu
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Final Credit Card (with random number generations for vendor isolation)

[Michael Butash]

So, I don't normally try to sell friends (or enemies) into banking slavery
or anything else really, but for those that need a card to buy things
online and other sketchy places, I found Final to be rather compelling
geeky solution.  I'd heard about what it does, and found it a service I've
waited for for a long time.  https://getfinal.com/

I got signed up on the waiting list a while back and got in recently, and
they're now sending some "friend" codes out to get others in.  Seems some
folks here might appreciate the solution too, I'm liking it so far.

Don't blame me for your credit, but if you're interested, go to
http://signup.getfinal.com and use this code to get in:

ea80be9810603cabf7aa.

What sold me on it?  I am sick of replacing my card every 3 months with
every new leak of my PCI data, so this allows me to create a unique
one-time, or vendor-locked card id to a give each unique merchant you deal
with.

Ideally if the number is compromised, you only lose the one use/vendor
anyways, plus you know who sucked and gave up your data in theory.  The
android app is basic, but works well for managing and creating the card
number profiles per merchant.

I rather hate the fact every time I have to change my card, and be
inconvenienced resetting it across 50 other merchants, that I am at least
not told what merchant was compromised, therefore banks protecting their
inept customers, insecure organizations doing so.  I'm hoping this helps me
identify the stupid to never do business with them again.

Sadly no other/real bank really offers anything remotely like this.  HTH!

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Re: NFS Issues

[Michael Butash]

I've had odd issues like this in the past with KDE/Dolphin, but lately I've
moved to Cinnamon, and using Nemo file manager, I've still seen the same
results lately with NFS files not appearing with it too occasionally.  It
isn't alone.

I have some other systems that move data around for me, when I look and
expect to see a file/folder there, I don't, but checking via cli or even
just another file browser, it *is* there.  Restarting Nemo with killall
works, but is annoying none the less. I had this as well with even Kodi not
seeing files updated remotely, which leads me to believe it's more at the
local client kernel level, but I've seen this across many revs of kernels
now from 3.x to now 4.10 on my current desktop.

Not sure if NFS modules or the clients viewing the fs are more to blame,
but interested in feedback too if anyone notices the same, or how to fix.

-mb

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Nathan  wrote:

>
> Once again I am having NFS issues with Dolphin and a different user.
> I must say up front that I can traverse the directory structure using
> midnight-commander and any other command line tool just fine. I have also
> used the Xfce file manager Thunar and it works just fine. I know my
> permissions are correct, only Dolphin is having a problem.
>
> I generally have permissions 750 on folders and 640 on files.
>
> I have users:
>
> nathan:x:500:500:Nathan:/home/nathan:/bin/bash
> classroom:x:507:507:Classroom:/home/classroom:/bin/bash
>
> and groups:
>
> nathan:x:500:
> classroom:x:507:
>
>
> These are the same on all the clients and the server hosting the nfs share.
> I have the following directory structure on my server
>
> /Vault (drwxr-xr-x9 nobody users 4.0K Feb 22 14:49 Vault)
> /Vault/Media (drwxr-x---  11 nathan users4.0K May 25 14:08 Media)
> /Vault/Media/Movies (drwxr-x---  2 nathan parents24K May 25 14:14
> Movies)
> /Vault/Media/Children (drwxr-x---  4 nathan classroom 4.0K May 25 14:09
> Children)
> /Vault/Media/Children/Movies (drwxr-x---  2 nathan classroom 4.0K May 25
> 14:09 Movies)
> /Vault/Media/Children/Shows (drwxr-x---  7 nathan classroom 4.0K May 25
> 14:09 Shows)
>
> The classroom user has a default group of classroom and I manually added
> classroom to the /etc/group file to make sure it is a member of the group.
>
> I open Dolphin on any of my clients while logged in as the "classroom"
> user and navigate to /Vault/Media/Children and then there is nothing in
> there. It's empty. If I press F4 to open the konsole integration with
> dolphin I can see the two folders with ls. If I manually enter either one
> (cd Shows) and then type ls it shows the additional folders and Dolphin
> registers I'm in the new directory in the url bar, but still nothing shows
> up.
>
> Again, thunar, mc, and everything else I've tried work, anything KDE
> related does not.
> I just don't want to switch over to Xfce and stop using KDE. Maybe it's a
> principal thing, but this should be working, so I want it to work!
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
>
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>
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Re: YouTube TV streaming in Phx today ...

[Michael Butash]

This is why Cox has now imposed a 1.5tb bandwidth cap on users.  They know
everyone is cutting off their overpriced video, and now they're going to
charge you for the massive bandwidth that things like netflix use to recoup
some of that.  Nothing is "free", so caveat emptor.

Case in point, my aunt pinged me when Cox sent her the threat of overage
charges, where she really only does tv streaming.  She was at least a 1tb
over their "normal" limit now, and would be charged accordingly.  Only
things she really does is use Netflix and Vue for tv, but apparently enough
bandwith to exceed their cap, and she doesn't even do 4k content or have
kids soaking it up, where many do.  I can only imagine the bandwidth needs
with a house full of kids doing the same, plus gaming and everything else...

Still cheaper than paying for cable tv, but I presume their charging will
only rapidly escalate to offset their dying video/telephony services and
lack of anything else they can really charge for.  Since every other
carrier is dogpiling in to slaughter and feast on the corpse of net
neutrality, Cox decided in their own interests to hop on he bandwagon too.
Thanks for all the fish, Trump.

-mb

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Saul  wrote:

> I prefer Playstation Vue.
>
> On 7/20/2017 5:00 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:
>
>> Just signed up for YouTube TV streaming today
>> and cancelled DirecTV Now. YouTube is far,
>> far superior in every way plus unlimited DVR.
>>
>>
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Re: YouTube TV streaming in Phx today ...

[Michael Butash]

IF gigablast is available to you, and not all places are.

"We are going to charge you overages unless you upgrade to a service you
cannot have, we hope you understand."

Now that is shady.

-mb

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> Cos is limiting all but their Gigablast service to 1T. Gigablast customers
> have 2T. With the overages thankfully it is available and it will save me
> money to run Gigablast vs ultimate and overages.
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Saul  wrote:
>
>> Interesting info.  Cox in Mesa is limiting me to 1tb.
>>
>>
>> On 7/22/2017 9:18 AM, Michael Butash wrote:
>>
>> This is why Cox has now imposed a 1.5tb bandwidth cap on users.  They
>> know everyone is cutting off their overpriced video, and now they're going
>> to charge you for the massive bandwidth that things like netflix use to
>> recoup some of that.  Nothing is "free", so caveat emptor.
>>
>> Case in point, my aunt pinged me when Cox sent her the threat of overage
>> charges, where she really only does tv streaming.  She was at least a 1tb
>> over their "normal" limit now, and would be charged accordingly.  Only
>> things she really does is use Netflix and Vue for tv, but apparently enough
>> bandwith to exceed their cap, and she doesn't even do 4k content or have
>> kids soaking it up, where many do.  I can only imagine the bandwidth needs
>> with a house full of kids doing the same, plus gaming and everything else...
>>
>> Still cheaper than paying for cable tv, but I presume their charging will
>> only rapidly escalate to offset their dying video/telephony services and
>> lack of anything else they can really charge for.  Since every other
>> carrier is dogpiling in to slaughter and feast on the corpse of net
>> neutrality, Cox decided in their own interests to hop on he bandwagon too.
>> Thanks for all the fish, Trump.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Saul  wrote:
>>
>>> I prefer Playstation Vue.
>>>
>>> On 7/20/2017 5:00 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just signed up for YouTube TV streaming today
>>>> and cancelled DirecTV Now. YouTube is far,
>>>> far superior in every way plus unlimited DVR.
>>>>
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Re: sporadic connectivity

[Michael Butash]

If you're dropping often, it's probably more an RF issue, ie. coverage
isn't sufficient.

In linux, it's easy to see your levels, use iwconfig when connected to
wifi, and look at your Signal Level.  It'll be represented as a negative
integer, say -50 dBm.  The higher the number (remember, this is negative),
the better the connection.  For instance, Cisco recommends voice coverage
isn't lower than -65dBm for voice quality on wifi clients, so I tend to use
that as a watermark for good/bad, but usually -40 to -65 is acceptable,
anything over -75 means you're too far away, or there is interference to
keep the connection.

If your levels are good, and you're still dropping, I'd say look at the
drivers and/or other causes.  Watching your syslog file at networkmanager
output when connecting/disconnecting can be telling.

Also, if you're using 2.4ghz wifi (802.11b/g/n), then you're very
susceptible to interference - microwaves, fluorescent ballasts, all sorts
of things can cause EMI.  Better to use 5ghz, but also less range than
2.4ghz with the higher frequency.

There is a big difference in wifi dongles, usb ones in particular tend to
be variably craptastic.  This was a good look at testing between different
usb dongles as they use them for testing wifi in enterprises I found
recently.  Long story short, try an Asus usb wifi nic, they seem to test
best.

https://netbeez.net/2016/06/01/iperf-wifi-comparison-on-raspberry-pi-raspberry-pi-3-vs-asus-vs-hawking-vs-linksys-vs-tp-link/

HTH!

-mb

On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Michael  wrote:

> I moved into a new place which offers free wifi (I'm renting a room). I
> have my wifi dongle plugged in and sometimes wifi works and sometimes it
> doesn't. Could it be something with Linux because the woman who owns the
> house says wifi works fine for her.  I am on a guest account.
>
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Re: sporadic connectivity

[Michael Butash]

Using 2 usb nics will not help here, in fact, it's just going to probably
freak out your system.  Just don't do that as a friendly recommendation.

Atheros and Realtek tend to have good linux support these days, I can't
remember the last time I picked up a random usb stick and did NOT have it
work.  Definitely better than 5-10 years ago with hacks and manual patching
kernels.  If nothing else, figure out the vendor wifi chip the units have
(the googles tend to find this with some persistence in searching), and
then search that plus linux.

Someone prior mentioned getting a usb nic with external antennas, I second
that.  I have an atheros-based chip with dual antennas I got years ago I
use for wireless surveys, you can unscrew those and put up a bigger gain
antenna if needed, or an extension cable with a free-standing antenna if
you want to get fancy.

-mb

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Michael  wrote:

> well I decided on:
> 2 of Netis WF2118 Wireless N 300Mbps PCI Adapter with Two 5dBi Antennas
> and Low-profile Bracket
> the price was right and they seem to work on Linux.
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> What about
>> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-us
>> b-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usb ?
>> Will I likely have the same issue?
>> I don't really want to spend $76 on two
>> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-pc
>> i-card-v5-w-full-low-profile-brackets .
>> And what is the difference between the previously mentioned donge and
>> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-g-usb-adapter ?
>> I see one uses N and one uses G but what does that mean? google seems to
>> imply n is better. So do you think two of the N dongles will fix the
>> problem?
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Brien Dieterle  wrote:
>>
>>> Don't buy anything unless you can confirm it has 100% linux support.
>>> The PCI version of that card says it has linux support, but PCIe version
>>> looks suspicious.  I don't think PCIe cards will work in a PCI slot.
>>>
>>> Just get a card from here:
>>>
>>> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/catalog/wireless-networking-gnulinux
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>>
 I can't get a manufacturer from this on but it says it is a pci-e card.
 What do you think should I get it?

 On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Michael  wrote:

> I hate it. I need to reconnect often!
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> This one will work. What do you think?
>> https://www.amazon.com/Netis-Wireless-Advanced-Antennas-Low-
>> profile/dp/B0051PZSX8/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1502406163&sr=
>> 8-14&keywords=low+profile+wireless+pci+card
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:24 PM, Brian Cluff 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> More than likely you just need a pcie card.  They have antennas on
>>> them that are much more powerful than the tiny little antennas that are
>>> built into the USB dongles.  I've got a dongle that won't pick on the
>>> access point at the other end of my house even though my laptop and a
>>> computer with a PCIe card pick them up fine.
>>>
>>> Brian Cluff
>>>
>>> On 08/10/2017 04:17 PM, Michael wrote:
>>>
>>> I was speaking with my father about this and he said that I probably
>>> need to update my drivers. Being on Linux means my drivers are updated
>>> everytimeI update the computer I think. He then said that sometimes they
>>> work and sometimes they don't and the same thing goes for the cards. So 
>>> I
>>> need to ask what cards have people had success with?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>>
 I changed on goals and they think it's appears to have made it
 better. What do you mean by put to sleep

 On Aug 8, 2017 11:19 AM, "Stephen Partington" 
 wrote:

> If there is an issue with the dongle or your system trying to put
> the USB chain to sleep.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> Do you think the problem could be the dongle? Would getting a
>> wireless card resolve the problem?
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> I went to cnn.com with no problems to repoport
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 8:45 PM, Michael 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 no I didn't have to do that. this is a private residence with a
 non business network

 On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Brien Dieterle <
 bri...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do you have to click agree on a sign in page when using
> guest?  Try going to a url like CNN.com and see if that brings up 
> the
> captive portal sign on page.

Re: sporadic connectivity

[Michael Butash]

Like these...

http://www.wirelesshack.org/best-kali-linux-compatible-usb-adapter-dongles-2016.html

-mb

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Michael  wrote:

> well I decided on:
> 2 of Netis WF2118 Wireless N 300Mbps PCI Adapter with Two 5dBi Antennas
> and Low-profile Bracket
> the price was right and they seem to work on Linux.
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> What about
>> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-us
>> b-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usb ?
>> Will I likely have the same issue?
>> I don't really want to spend $76 on two
>> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-pc
>> i-card-v5-w-full-low-profile-brackets .
>> And what is the difference between the previously mentioned donge and
>> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-g-usb-adapter ?
>> I see one uses N and one uses G but what does that mean? google seems to
>> imply n is better. So do you think two of the N dongles will fix the
>> problem?
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Brien Dieterle  wrote:
>>
>>> Don't buy anything unless you can confirm it has 100% linux support.
>>> The PCI version of that card says it has linux support, but PCIe version
>>> looks suspicious.  I don't think PCIe cards will work in a PCI slot.
>>>
>>> Just get a card from here:
>>>
>>> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/catalog/wireless-networking-gnulinux
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>>
 I can't get a manufacturer from this on but it says it is a pci-e card.
 What do you think should I get it?

 On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Michael  wrote:

> I hate it. I need to reconnect often!
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> This one will work. What do you think?
>> https://www.amazon.com/Netis-Wireless-Advanced-Antennas-Low-
>> profile/dp/B0051PZSX8/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1502406163&sr=
>> 8-14&keywords=low+profile+wireless+pci+card
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:24 PM, Brian Cluff 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> More than likely you just need a pcie card.  They have antennas on
>>> them that are much more powerful than the tiny little antennas that are
>>> built into the USB dongles.  I've got a dongle that won't pick on the
>>> access point at the other end of my house even though my laptop and a
>>> computer with a PCIe card pick them up fine.
>>>
>>> Brian Cluff
>>>
>>> On 08/10/2017 04:17 PM, Michael wrote:
>>>
>>> I was speaking with my father about this and he said that I probably
>>> need to update my drivers. Being on Linux means my drivers are updated
>>> everytimeI update the computer I think. He then said that sometimes they
>>> work and sometimes they don't and the same thing goes for the cards. So 
>>> I
>>> need to ask what cards have people had success with?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>>
 I changed on goals and they think it's appears to have made it
 better. What do you mean by put to sleep

 On Aug 8, 2017 11:19 AM, "Stephen Partington" 
 wrote:

> If there is an issue with the dongle or your system trying to put
> the USB chain to sleep.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> Do you think the problem could be the dongle? Would getting a
>> wireless card resolve the problem?
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> I went to cnn.com with no problems to repoport
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 8:45 PM, Michael 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 no I didn't have to do that. this is a private residence with a
 non business network

 On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Brien Dieterle <
 bri...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do you have to click agree on a sign in page when using
> guest?  Try going to a url like CNN.com and see if that brings up 
> the
> captive portal sign on page.
>
> On Aug 6, 2017 5:30 PM, "Michael"  wrote:
>
>> I moved into a new place which offers free wifi (I'm renting
>> a room). I have my wifi dongle plugged in and sometimes wifi 
>> works and
>> sometimes it doesn't. Could it be something with Linux because 
>> the woman
>> who owns the house says wifi works fine for her.  I am on a 
>> guest account.
>>
>> --
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Re: sporadic connectivity

[Michael Butash]

You need to have a pci-e slot, they are not compatible with legacy pci.
The wiki for the pci express spec should tell you all.

-mb

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Brien Dieterle  wrote:

> No it won't matter for you, just get whatever fits the slot you have
>
> On Aug 12, 2017 5:33 AM, "Michael"  wrote:
>
>> maybe I'm confused is the pci-e standard new. From the photographs of
>> it it looks to short to fit in the slots that are like that (the extension
>> with two tabs that drop down). Like this:
>> __
>> |  |
>> |  |
>> |__   _ |
>> |   |_|   |___ |
>>
>>  more to the point how many different pci cards are there? the one
>> computer has NO room for more cards and I will need to remove a pci card
>> but the main computer has a few free slots. one pci and a few of the other;
>> are those pci-e?
>>
>> Well I just googled it  and it appears those are pci-e slots.Is it
>> really that critical I have pci-e? I mean should I cancel my order and
>> change it?
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> I need two because I have two computers. the tv server and my work
>>> horse.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 6:58 PM, Michael Butash 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Using 2 usb nics will not help here, in fact, it's just going to
>>>> probably freak out your system.  Just don't do that as a friendly
>>>> recommendation.
>>>>
>>>> Atheros and Realtek tend to have good linux support these days, I can't
>>>> remember the last time I picked up a random usb stick and did NOT have it
>>>> work.  Definitely better than 5-10 years ago with hacks and manual patching
>>>> kernels.  If nothing else, figure out the vendor wifi chip the units have
>>>> (the googles tend to find this with some persistence in searching), and
>>>> then search that plus linux.
>>>>
>>>> Someone prior mentioned getting a usb nic with external antennas, I
>>>> second that.  I have an atheros-based chip with dual antennas I got years
>>>> ago I use for wireless surveys, you can unscrew those and put up a bigger
>>>> gain antenna if needed, or an extension cable with a free-standing antenna
>>>> if you want to get fancy.
>>>>
>>>> -mb
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> well I decided on:
>>>>> 2 of Netis WF2118 Wireless N 300Mbps PCI Adapter with Two 5dBi
>>>>> Antennas and Low-profile Bracket
>>>>> the price was right and they seem to work on Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What about
>>>>>> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-us
>>>>>> b-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usb ?
>>>>>> Will I likely have the same issue?
>>>>>> I don't really want to spend $76 on two
>>>>>> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-pc
>>>>>> i-card-v5-w-full-low-profile-brackets .
>>>>>> And what is the difference between the previously mentioned donge and
>>>>>> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-g-usb-adapter
>>>>>> ? I see one uses N and one uses G but what does that mean? google seems 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> imply n is better. So do you think two of the N dongles will fix the
>>>>>> problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Brien Dieterle 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't buy anything unless you can confirm it has 100% linux
>>>>>>> support.  The PCI version of that card says it has linux support, but 
>>>>>>> PCIe
>>>>>>> version looks suspicious.  I don't think PCIe cards will work in a PCI 
>>>>>>> slot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just get a card from here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/catalog/wireless-networking-gnulinux
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>&

Re: Cheap Domain Renewals

[Michael Butash]

I second google domains, I have almost all mine there now.

After I quit working at Godaddy a second time in '14, I figured it was time
enough to divest myself of contributing to their financial success all
together, and found that migrating to and using Google domains was
painless, cheap, and well suited to provide the same level of
administration, even a better UI.  Even working at GD, I always hated their
websites and admin tools...  I hate putting all my eggs into one Google
basket, but I've seen and tried much worse over the years.

-mb

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> I just moved a domain over to google domains, and they have a very nice
> service set up there. including some goodies to allow for Dynamic  Name
> Clients.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 1:03 PM, JD Austin  wrote:
>
>> I don't let them expire :)  I move them just before.
>>
>> -- JD Austin
>> Voice: 480.269.4335 <(480)%20269-4335> (480 2MY Geek)
>> j...@twingeckos.com
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Mark Phillips <
>> m...@phillipsmarketing.biz> wrote:
>>
>>> JD,
>>>
>>> I just read this in the "fine print". Not sure if you were aware of this
>>> ICANN rule, but you mentioned moving domains as they expires.
>>>
>>> If your domain expired with your previous registrar, and you've
>>> reactivated it (renewed after expiration) with them, please do not transfer
>>> it within 45 days of the previous expiration date. According to ICANN, the
>>> domain will be renewed for 1 year by the new registrar, but the
>>> reactivation year added to your domain by the previous registrar will be
>>> revoked. You may also lose renewal fees paid to the previous registrar.
>>> Check more information here
>>> .
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:31 PM, JD Austin  wrote:
>>>
 Namecheap has been great for me.
 I don't use any of the 'value added' features from Godaddy so I don't
 know.
 As they come up to expire I'm migrating my domains away from Godaddy.

 -- JD Austin
 Voice: 480.269.4335 <(480)%20269-4335> (480 2MY Geek)
 j...@twingeckos.com


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 m...@phillipsmarketing.biz> wrote:

> I have a number of domains registered with GoDaddy, and the renewal
> prices are getting expensive - ~$20 for .biz, .com, .org, etc. I have
> always used GoDaddy, but the price of renewals leads me to look for 
> another
> registrar. I don't use any of the hosting services or any other services
> from GoDaddy - just domain name registration.
>
> I googled cheap domain name renewal, and stumbled on CheapNames (
> https://www.namecheap.com/domains/transfer.aspx).
>
> Anyone use this service? Am I missing some value added services from
> GoDaddy as a domain registrar that I will regret not having at CheapNames?
>
> Should I look at another domain registrar beyond CheapNames?
>
> Before I do a bulk transfer of my domains (~50) to CheapNames, I
> wanted to make sure people have had good experiences with this registrar.
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: OT: Best cell phone plan for light use?

[Michael Butash]

I read the thread, and was going to recommend Fi, but the phone lock
sucks.  I tend to use an unlocked phone, as I tend to like small phones,
and all I can get are tablet-sized phones anymore.  Fi not supporting
general phones, and their smallest being the Pixel at 5.anything inches
beyond my caring.

I use StraightTalk @ 45/mo, where I pay monthly still because I'm lazy to
change to a yearly plan.  I've been with them 2.some years, it's att on the
back end (not an incentive as always the first to drop their shorts at a
government request), but all in all is really good service, imho.  It never
*not* works, and only when I get into a 20 story building in phoenix do I
ever see an issue.

I think about shopping it some, $10/mo for voice/text/data sounds riotous,
and if I just have to enable something via an app or api call ultimately,
I'd just look at hacking around it to enable.  When last I told Verizon to
fsck themselves and shopped it, $40 was the cheapest I could find for a
decent, usable service with straighttalk, or 45 month-to-month that I do.
I don't know how low att resells their mvno services per user, as really
straighttalk pays them, and the margin is their profit, but ultimately I
look at costs knowing a few things about telecomm industries, ~40 still
seems to be the bar for something not shady, at least last time I cared.

I too am interested in what others here use. And looking up this
AirVoiceWireless.  Assume everyone cheap is shady and probably hacked them
for better data service if janky, probably submitting the how to doing so
themselves somewhere on the intertubes.

-mb

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 6:10 PM, AZ Pete  wrote:

> I've been using Google Fi and have been very happy with their service (my
> wife and son also use it).
> $20/mo unlimited talk & text
> $10/mo for 1GB of data. Unused data is credited back the next month.
> Since I use such a small amount of data, I always get a credit of $8-9
> each month and my bill averages around $25 each month (including all the
> taxes).
> Downside is you can only use Nexus phones (but I've found them very good).
> Peter
>
>
> On 8/17/2017 5:20 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:
>
> What do y'all recommend as the best cell phone plan
> for "light" use?
>
> I have been using a AirVoiceWireless.com no-contract,
> pay-as-you-go plan for several years and it has generally
> met my needs. I pay only $10 every 3 months for voice,
> text, and data and rarely need to add time. However it
> requires me to turn on "mobile" to get data access and
> that is a nuisance and data does not always work.
>
> I've searched for options and ConsumerCellular.com with
> an advertised average $25/month seems reasonable ...
> but I would appreciate hearing your recommendations.
>
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Re: OT: Best cell phone plan for light use?

[Michael Butash]

Yep, hopefully mine is already on the way, I was an early backer as soon as
I saw the jelly.

I had a neptune pine as well that was interesting, but not terribly useful
being rather underpowered, buggy, and shipped with an outdated OS that
quickly made it irrelevant with lack of updates, ever.

-mb

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Ed  wrote:

> Michael, your small phone dreams may become reality - if the Jelly
> phone ships - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jellyphone/jelly-the-
> smallest-4g-smartphone
> also
> if IF you can get VoIP to work (sorry Apple profit centers) your phone
> bill could be $35-50/year - not including WiFi - or free w/
> Google.Voice/Hangouts
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 7:04 PM, Michael Butash 
> wrote:
> > I read the thread, and was going to recommend Fi, but the phone lock
> sucks.
> > I tend to use an unlocked phone, as I tend to like small phones, and all
> I
> > can get are tablet-sized phones anymore.  Fi not supporting general
> phones,
> > and their smallest being the Pixel at 5.anything inches beyond my caring.
> >
> > I use StraightTalk @ 45/mo, where I pay monthly still because I'm lazy to
> > change to a yearly plan.  I've been with them 2.some years, it's att on
> the
> > back end (not an incentive as always the first to drop their shorts at a
> > government request), but all in all is really good service, imho.  It
> never
> > *not* works, and only when I get into a 20 story building in phoenix do I
> > ever see an issue.
> >
> > I think about shopping it some, $10/mo for voice/text/data sounds
> riotous,
> > and if I just have to enable something via an app or api call ultimately,
> > I'd just look at hacking around it to enable.  When last I told Verizon
> to
> > fsck themselves and shopped it, $40 was the cheapest I could find for a
> > decent, usable service with straighttalk, or 45 month-to-month that I
> do.  I
> > don't know how low att resells their mvno services per user, as really
> > straighttalk pays them, and the margin is their profit, but ultimately I
> > look at costs knowing a few things about telecomm industries, ~40 still
> > seems to be the bar for something not shady, at least last time I cared.
> >
> > I too am interested in what others here use. And looking up this
> > AirVoiceWireless.  Assume everyone cheap is shady and probably hacked
> them
> > for better data service if janky, probably submitting the how to doing so
> > themselves somewhere on the intertubes.
> >
> > -mb
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 6:10 PM, AZ Pete  wrote:
> >>
> >> I've been using Google Fi and have been very happy with their service
> (my
> >> wife and son also use it).
> >>
> >> $20/mo unlimited talk & text
> >> $10/mo for 1GB of data. Unused data is credited back the next month.
> >> Since I use such a small amount of data, I always get a credit of $8-9
> >> each month and my bill averages around $25 each month (including all the
> >> taxes).
> >> Downside is you can only use Nexus phones (but I've found them very
> good).
> >> Peter
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/17/2017 5:20 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:
> >>
> >> What do y'all recommend as the best cell phone plan
> >> for "light" use?
> >>
> >> I have been using a AirVoiceWireless.com no-contract,
> >> pay-as-you-go plan for several years and it has generally
> >> met my needs. I pay only $10 every 3 months for voice,
> >> text, and data and rarely need to add time. However it
> >> requires me to turn on "mobile" to get data access and
> >> that is a nuisance and data does not always work.
> >>
> >> I've searched for options and ConsumerCellular.com with
> >> an advertised average $25/month seems reasonable ...
> >> but I would appreciate hearing your recommendations.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: Well.... I think my power-supply is going.

[Michael Butash]

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Carruth, Rusty 
wrote:

> Personally, 5 years is nothing in the life of a power supply, unless it is
> overloaded.
>

Two words - Chinese Crap.   I've had PSU's last 6 months to 10 years, it's
just really random anymore.  Nothing is guaranteed with the crap coming
over seas anymore, regardless what you spend or what brand.

>
> Look in syslog and see if it says anything interesting (syslog, messages,
> whatever).
>

Agree, see if the system gives you any errors prior to the reboot looking
at times leading up to immediate the reboot.

>
>
> Do you have lmsensors installed?  Does it show anything bad?
>

Voltage should be reflected, but usually this will look normal until under
load.  If that's normal and still pops off like that, it sounds like a bad
capacitor is destabilizing and the system shuts down under load, which
wouldn't be indicated by the voltage readings.

It does sound a bit like a PSU from what I'm hearing where under demand
it'll just shut off...


>
> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Michael
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 4:45 PM
> *To:* PLUG
> *Subject:* Re: Well I think my power-supply is going.
>
>
>
> is five years about the life span of a power supply?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
> I'm thinking this is a darktable thing as it has been 30 minutes since the
> restart and when it was restarting it went about five minutes. Any ideas as
> to what to do?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
> The computer keeps shutting itself off. :(
>
> So I remembered that I had a blower for this and I blew it out and we'll
> see what happens. The funny thing is that it only seems to do it after I
> start darktable. I am guessing that it is because dt uses the cpu more. I
> don't know. Well, we'll start darktable now and see what happens.
> darn. it shut itself off! so this does sound like the power supply?
>
>
>
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Re: netis wf2118

[Michael Butash]

Look at the pci devices with lspci, grep for network devices:

>> lspci | grep Network
>> 02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless
Network Adapter (rev 32)

You should see a like device there, your new card.  If it's not being
detected properly, search dmesg output looking for an unknown device, might
be a firmware thing or something.  Dmesg should at least tell you what
pci-id, vendor, or model of chip to then google why that doesn't load under
your os.

-mb


On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Michael  wrote:

> I got two wireless cards (netis wf2118) for two computers. both computers
> have mint. One card is pci the other pci-e. the pci-e card works great. the
> pci not so much. the green connectivity light on the pci card is happily a
> solid green. Any ideas on how to get it to work?
>
> I just googled it and the one hit I got said he had a dead card. How can I
> tell if it is dead?
>
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Re: netis wf2118

[Michael Butash]

Need to make sure the system sees it as a usable network device.  Do:

iwconfig  ## verifies if the system sees it as a proper 802.11 device,
and/or ap association
ip link  ## sees the nic as a real interface
ip addr  ## shows ip layer data, if it has an address
cat /var/log/syslog | grep NetworkManager  ## verfies if network-manager is
trying to do anything with it

Also, does the systray applet show the network scanning for any wifi
devices?  You should see *some* ssid's being found.

-mb

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Michael  wrote:

> or more as it is being detected just not transmitting data. what should I
> do?
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> lspci sees SOMETHING at least. It says
>> 03:00.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT5362 PCI 802.11n Wireless
>> Network Adapter
>>
>> so it is detected.
>>
>> The card in the other computer is almost identical It is pci-e wile the
>> one not being detected is a pci card.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Michael Butash 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Look at the pci devices with lspci, grep for network devices:
>>>
>>> >> lspci | grep Network
>>> >> 02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac
>>> Wireless Network Adapter (rev 32)
>>>
>>> You should see a like device there, your new card.  If it's not being
>>> detected properly, search dmesg output looking for an unknown device, might
>>> be a firmware thing or something.  Dmesg should at least tell you what
>>> pci-id, vendor, or model of chip to then google why that doesn't load under
>>> your os.
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I got two wireless cards (netis wf2118) for two computers. both
>>>> computers have mint. One card is pci the other pci-e. the pci-e card works
>>>> great. the pci not so much. the green connectivity light on the pci card is
>>>> happily a solid green. Any ideas on how to get it to work?
>>>>
>>>> I just googled it and the one hit I got said he had a dead card. How
>>>> can I tell if it is dead?
>>>>
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Re: netis wf2118

[Michael Butash]

Hmm, well it looks supported...

https://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/RT2X00.html

Per your lspci, you have a RT5362 chip, using the RT2x00 driver, and looks
supported in most modern kernels.  What kernel are you using?

You're going to want to look through your dmesg, grepping for that RT5362
or pci-id to find what is going on when it's probing the hardware to load
the kernel modules.  Perhaps there's an anomaly to the build that udev
isn't handling it properly.  Might look at your lsmod output and see if
that rt2x00 driver is loading too, or manually loading that driver to see
what happens.

Any number of reasons why it might fail, but as I said, *looks* supported...

-mb

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 5:08 AM, Michael  wrote:

> no scanning at all unless I plug a wifi dongle in
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Michael Butash 
> wrote:
>
>> Need to make sure the system sees it as a usable network device.  Do:
>>
>> iwconfig  ## verifies if the system sees it as a proper 802.11 device,
>> and/or ap association
>> ip link  ## sees the nic as a real interface
>> ip addr  ## shows ip layer data, if it has an address
>> cat /var/log/syslog | grep NetworkManager  ## verfies if network-manager
>> is trying to do anything with it
>>
>> Also, does the systray applet show the network scanning for any wifi
>> devices?  You should see *some* ssid's being found.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> or more as it is being detected just not transmitting data. what should
>>> I do?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>>
>>>> lspci sees SOMETHING at least. It says
>>>> 03:00.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT5362 PCI 802.11n Wireless
>>>> Network Adapter
>>>>
>>>> so it is detected.
>>>>
>>>> The card in the other computer is almost identical It is pci-e wile the
>>>> one not being detected is a pci card.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Michael Butash 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Look at the pci devices with lspci, grep for network devices:
>>>>>
>>>>> >> lspci | grep Network
>>>>> >> 02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac
>>>>> Wireless Network Adapter (rev 32)
>>>>>
>>>>> You should see a like device there, your new card.  If it's not being
>>>>> detected properly, search dmesg output looking for an unknown device, 
>>>>> might
>>>>> be a firmware thing or something.  Dmesg should at least tell you what
>>>>> pci-id, vendor, or model of chip to then google why that doesn't load 
>>>>> under
>>>>> your os.
>>>>>
>>>>> -mb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I got two wireless cards (netis wf2118) for two computers. both
>>>>>> computers have mint. One card is pci the other pci-e. the pci-e card 
>>>>>> works
>>>>>> great. the pci not so much. the green connectivity light on the pci card 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> happily a solid green. Any ideas on how to get it to work?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just googled it and the one hit I got said he had a dead card. How
>>>>>> can I tell if it is dead?
>>>>>>
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Re: netis wf2118

[Michael Butash]

If the drivers are loading properly, it should show up as a proper netlink
device, ie ip link and iwconfig as a proper 80211 device, but aren't.  That
seems like either a bad driver, or a bad device.

I would manually rmmod-ing  each of the related rt2x00pci modules, and
modprobe them all back in.  You'll have to figure out the order, but from
the lsmod, remove each, and then modprobe each until they're all back.  See
what happens along the way, as something isn't loading properly for you if
not netlink devices are occurring.

I'd recommend finding something intel or atheros based...

Side note, you can always get a pci-e to mini-pci host-based adapter, and
simply get a typical intel, atheros, or any other mini-pci device used in a
laptop.  You will probably find those, particularly atheros and intel will
be well supported due to laptop inclusion vs. random 3rd party usb or pci
cards.

Much like this kit, with everything, or assemble yourself with the parts
individually:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=details&O=&Q=&ap=y&c3api=1876%2C%7Bcreative%7D%2C%7Bkeyword%7D&gclid=EAIaIQobChMImN6D5J_41QIVxQcqCh1sdwGkEAkYASABEgJMEPD_BwE&is=REG&m=Y&sku=1221212

-mb


On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Michael  wrote:

> any advice as to what to do?
>
> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:13 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> and I just did it with lsmod no hits
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> that is actually what I did with dmesg. The grep thing was just to show
>>> there were no hits.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:00 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll write it to a file and saearch with a word processor
>>>> `
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Carruth, Rusty <
>>>> rusty.carr...@smartm.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And you might want to do it case-INsensitive, just to be sure you
>>>>> don’t miss it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] *On
>>>>> Behalf Of *Bob Elzer
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 25, 2017 3:11 PM
>>>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: netis wf2118
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> doing a grep will not show adjacent lines that have errors on them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> you need to use the less or more commands and search for those same
>>>>> things and read the lines before and after, to see if there are any 
>>>>> errors.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> keep searching for the next occurrence, until you reach the end of file
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 25, 2017 1:43 PM, "Michael"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The driver appears to be loading:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> $ lsmod| grep rt2x00
>>>>>
>>>>> rt2x00pci  13287  1 rt2800pci
>>>>>
>>>>> rt2x00mmio 13603  2 rt2800pci,rt2800mmio
>>>>>
>>>>> rt2x00lib  55307  5 rt2x00pci,rt2800lib,rt2800pci,
>>>>> rt2800mmio,rt2x00mmio
>>>>>
>>>>> mac80211  626489  6 rtl_usb,rtlwifi,rt2x00lib,rt2x
>>>>> 00pci,rt2800lib,rtl8192cu
>>>>>
>>>>> cfg80211  484040  3 mac80211,rtlwifi,rt2x00lib
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  and pci-id and RT5362 do not appear in dmesg:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  $ dmesg |grep RT5362
>>>>>
>>>>>  $ dmesg |grep pci-id
>>>>>
>>>>>  $
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> $ iwconfig
>>>>>
>>>>> lono wireless extensions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> iwconfig doesn't see it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> O

Re: Warranty!!?!?!?!?!

[Michael Butash]

I just went through this with a new dell, where I used the local windoze
tools to make a usb backup imagine with their software to a 16gb drive, and
just tossed it in a drawer if I ever need to restore things.  That
supposedly restores their recovery partitions and windoze itself, which
should be everything...

I'd not put faith in some tier 1 rep telling you linux voids the warranty.
It was probably one of those "What is linux?  Yeah, don't do that." sort of
comments ignorant agents might spew, but otherwise shouldn't matter.  If
you restore the disk and bios to prior function, they should be none the
wiser anyways.

-mb

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:37 AM, irb  wrote:

> * Carruth, Rusty (aka rusty.carr...@smartm.com) used 15K on Tue, 05 Sep
> 2017 at 17:21 + to say:
> >
> > (By the way – does anyone remember the ‘windows refund day’ many years
> back?
> > System vendors refused to honor the refund clause stated in the EULA (or
> > whatever it was), claiming that Microsoft had to honor it, and Micro$oft
> > claimed that it was the responsibility of the system vendors (which,
> indeed,
> > it was).  But as far as I know, NOBODY got their refund….  Again, where’s
> > the lawyers)
>
> I remember that, as part of BALUG many years ago. I never got a refund and
> Microsoft tried to turn it to their advantage by setting up a booth. I
> think
> there's a documentary out there somewhere.
>
> When dealing with warranty crap from laptop vendors I just take an image of
> the drive. If I have to send it in I don't include the drive anyway, and
> I've
> never been given grief over it. Still, having an original hardware backup
> like that is kinda cool.
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Re: Warranty!!?!?!?!?!

[Michael Butash]

That's one main reason I usually tend to buy Dell laptops, as they employ
guys like Mario Limoncello that commit to the kernel dev, and rarely have
issues with them over the past 10+ years of using linux on them.  Since
they've begun releasing linux laptops, I tend to gravitate to those models,
not so much getting them with ubuntu already, but getting them and putting
my own OS on them is about as painless most times.

I would buy with linux, but I always work deals/coupons on refurbs and
stacking 35-40% off coupons, so it ends up far cheaper to pay the m$ tax
where I never see ubuntu refurbs.

I just got an xps15 which has been great, took some work to get the gpu
switching going, but since it's been rock solid with ubuntu 17.04.  A
customer I'm consulting for currently has a guy running the xps13 with
ubuntu as well that he says is solid, as was my last Latitude e7240.  I
find most times someone else has figured out quirks for linux on most dells.

I went with an HP at one point, and it was a basketcase to work with for
linux, I'll never even consider them again.

-mb



On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Aaron Jones  wrote:

> You pay a premium for system 76 due to their dev work they do. They work
> with canonical to fix issues and improve the OS for their hardware.
>
>
>
> On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
> system76 is expensive too
>
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Re: Warranty!!?!?!?!?!

[Michael Butash]

And all the spyware you can handle out of the box!  Thanks Lenovo.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/09/ftc-slaps-lenovo-on-the-wrist-for-selling-computers-with-secret-adware/

-mb


On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
wrote:

> But then, the Lenovo was almost $3000.  Of course, it had a 1TB SSD as
> well as 16G of ram and the TOP video card…
>
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Re: Warranty!!?!?!?!?!

[Michael Butash]

Yup, the precision 3000/5000 is almost a direct clone of the xps13/15, just
with different graphics (geforce vs. quadro), wifi (atheros vs. intel), and
proc (xeon options).  Nothing else really different I could tell other than
price.  I went with the xps as consumer coupons go higher than precision
discounts.

I usually just shop bensbargains.com or dealnews, wait for a dell outlet
refurb coupon to go 35-40% around a holiday, and score a laptop then for
some steep savings.  I got this xps15 loaded with the 4k display, nvidia
gpu, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd for $1950 out the door.  Worst part of buying from
dell is sales tax.  :(

-mb

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> I have been seeing Ubuntu offered on their precision mobile workstations...
>
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
> wrote:
>
>> Actually, comparing the Alienware that I bought vs a very similar one at
>> System 76:
>>
>>
>>
>> Alienware: 16G RAM, 4K display, 1T rotating drive, 128G SSD, I7-7700:
>> List $2066, paid $1536
>>
>> System76:  16G RAM, 1080P, 2T rotating drive, 512G SSD, I7-7700:
>> list under $1500.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, double the rotator size, 4x the SSD size, and remove the 4K display –
>> and save around $500.  I’d say 76 isn’t bad, price-wise.  The primary
>> reason I got the alien was because of the 4K and similar price (I did a
>> side-by-side comparison at the store. 4K really is better, and when I got
>> home and booted Linux on it – whoa!).  (Don’t know which video card they
>> each had – I’m not going to be doing gaming (much?) so don’t care that
>> much… I think)
>>
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, live booting the Mint 17.3 DVD resulted in no Ethernet or
>> WiFi.  I’m downloading 18.2 now to see if that’s better, as a google search
>> seems to imply it is.  But the display!  Oh, my goodness!
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh, by the way – the alienware has only ONE ‘standard’ disk slot, but 3,
>> yes THREE M.2 slots – one very short, the other 2 full-length.  And only 2
>> RAM slots.  Which is too bad – my Lenovo for work (17” also) has 2 standard
>> slots and 2 M.2 slots (and 4 RAM slots) – I mean, its not like they don’t
>> have ROOM, for goodness sake!  But then, the Lenovo was almost $3000.  Of
>> course, it had a 1TB SSD as well as 16G of ram and the TOP video card…
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Michael
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 05, 2017 7:15 PM
>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>> *Subject:* Re: Warranty!!?!?!?!?!
>>
>>
>>
>> system76 is expensive too
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Phil Waclawski 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have a laptop from zareason that I've used for several years. It was a
>> touch pricey, but still powerful enough to do a lot. They also will install
>> different flavors of linux for you.
>>
>> Phil Waclawski
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Mark Phillips 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Rusty,
>>
>>
>>
>> Did you check out System 76 laptops? They come with Ubuntu installed, but
>> I think you can ask for any distro. I have been using their hardware for a
>> couple of years, and it is flawless.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Michael Butash 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I just went through this with a new dell, where I used the local windoze
>> tools to make a usb backup imagine with their software to a 16gb drive, and
>> just tossed it in a drawer if I ever need to restore things.  That
>> supposedly restores their recovery partitions and windoze itself, which
>> should be everything...
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd not put faith in some tier 1 rep telling you linux voids the
>> warranty.  It was probably one of those "What is linux?  Yeah, don't do
>> that." sort of comments ignorant agents might spew, but otherwise shouldn't
>> matter.  If you restore the disk and bios to prior function, they should be
>> none the wiser anyways.
>>
>>
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:37 AM, irb  wrote:
>>
>> * Carruth, Rusty (aka rusty.carr...@smartm.com) used 15K on Tue, 05 Sep
>> 2017 at 17:21 + to say:
>> >
>> > (By the way – does anyone remember the ‘windows refund day’ many years
>> back?
>> > System vendors refused to honor the refund clause stated in the EULA (or
>> > whatever it was), clai

Re: Warranty!!?!?!?!?!

[Michael Butash]

I do run a lot of VM's, almost always at least a windoze vm for visio and
crappy conferencing software, sometimes playing with firewall or other
network appliances, sometimes linux monitoring system appliances I've
built, etc.  That and I tend to run a lot of tabs, so 16gb of ram usually
just isn't enough from my last system.  I just moved to 128gb of ram in my
desktop as 32gb I'd depelete quick too.

I certain didn't need a 1tb ssd, but the cost difference was marginal
enough I said screw it.  My last few laptops and desktops with 512gb of ssd
is just fine for me.

I've tried the approach of running a vmware cluster at home for that
purpose with far more resources to run VM's in, but end of the day, the
heat/power wasn't worth it vs. just adding some ram and running what I
needed between my desktop and laptop.  Plus vmware management is shite
anymore related to vcenter/esx, so for my needs, virtualbox is just fine.

Another big reason for the ram is chrom[e|ium] is a fsck'ing pig still.
With my deskop usage, between chrome and vm's, it's not uncommon to run
around 50-60gb of ram all the time.  I got tired of hitting EOM's and weird
lag across the board as memory usage would fluctuate greatly in desktop use.

-mb

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:

>
> What are you doing that requires a top of the line CPU, 32G RAM, and a 1T
> SSD?
>
> I'm a developer and am seeing a trend toward the cloud.  PhpStorm provides
> for editing directly on the dev server, GIT for moving code onto the
> staging server and then onto the production server.  I'm moving to Plesk
> that allows me to run PHP 5.6 for older code and PHP 7 for newer code,
> while running Ubuntu 16.04lts.  Both versions of PHP on the same VPS.
>
> Given that a baseline laptop with decent graphics, 8G RAM, and a 128G SSD
> should be enough.
>
> Unless one is running many local virtual machines, doing some serious
> video or image work, or doing lots of compiling...  I am think the cloud
> and thin client hardware is the way to go.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
>
>
> On 2017-09-06 10:42, Michael Butash wrote:
>
> Yup, the precision 3000/5000 is almost a direct clone of the xps13/15,
> just with different graphics (geforce vs. quadro), wifi (atheros vs.
> intel), and proc (xeon options).  Nothing else really different I could
> tell other than price.  I went with the xps as consumer coupons go higher
> than precision discounts.
>
> I usually just shop bensbargains.com or dealnews, wait for a dell outlet
> refurb coupon to go 35-40% around a holiday, and score a laptop then for
> some steep savings.  I got this xps15 loaded with the 4k display, nvidia
> gpu, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd for $1950 out the door.  Worst part of buying from
> dell is sales tax.  :(
>
> -mb
>
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Stephen Partington 
> wrote:
>
>> I have been seeing Ubuntu offered on their precision mobile
>> workstations...
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Carruth, Rusty 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, comparing the Alienware that I bought vs a very similar one at
>>> System 76:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alienware: 16G RAM, 4K display, 1T rotating drive, 128G SSD, I7-7700:
>>> List $2066, paid $1536
>>>
>>> System76:  16G RAM, 1080P, 2T rotating drive, 512G SSD, I7-7700:
>>> list under $1500.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, double the rotator size, 4x the SSD size, and remove the 4K display
>>> – and save around $500.  I'd say 76 isn't bad, price-wise.  The primary
>>> reason I got the alien was because of the 4K and similar price (I did a
>>> side-by-side comparison at the store. 4K really is better, and when I got
>>> home and booted Linux on it – whoa!).  (Don't know which video card they
>>> each had – I'm not going to be doing gaming (much?) so don't care that
>>> much... I think)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, live booting the Mint 17.3 DVD resulted in no Ethernet or
>>> WiFi.  I'm downloading 18.2 now to see if that's better, as a google search
>>> seems to imply it is.  But the display!  Oh, my goodness!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, by the way – the alienware has only ONE 'standard' disk slot, but 3,
>>> yes THREE M.2 slots – one very short, the other 2 full-length.  And only 2
>>> RAM slots.  Which is too bad – my Lenovo for work (17" also) has 2 standard
>>> slots and 2 M.2 slots (and 4 RAM slots) – I mean, its not like they don't
>>> have ROOM, for goodness sake!  But then, the Lenovo was almost $3000.  Of
>&g

Re: Warranty!!?!?!?!?!

[Michael Butash]

So like right now on my laptop, I've got my windoze7 system I gave 8gb to,
two chromium user profiles logged in, about 40 tabs between them,
openoffice and plasma as the other big consumers, and it's using 21gb of
ram.  I do have a fair amount of extension in chromium installed to each
profile, but in total chromium is opening 51 threads on my system, chewing
about 12gb of that ram across them.  And that is light use (for me).

On my desktop at home, I'm usually logging into 3-4 chromium user profiles,
with tabs and apps active on each for various clients or personal, which
each profile has it's own separate set of extensions and memory space.
I've seen Chromium there chewing up 30-40gb of memory alone.  It is a
necessary evil unfortunately I find, that and I tend to not close things as
I likely should.  I started using "The Great Suspender" extension to halt
running tabs after some idle time that I just refocus to start again to
help this.

Check it out yourself with htop or ps aux | grep chrom.

-mb


On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 1:29 PM,  wrote:

> What is the trick?  If I open 12 tabs on Chrome or FF both become
> extremely slow, especially if I open Yahoo.com.  This happens on both Linux
> and Win10.  I have a 4 core i5, 16G RAM, and an SSD.  I seen to recall that
> under Linux I checked my memory and I was not putting a dent in it.
>
>
>
>
> On 2017-09-06 13:06, Michael Butash wrote:
>
> I do run a lot of VM's, almost always at least a windoze vm for visio and
> crappy conferencing software, sometimes playing with firewall or other
> network appliances, sometimes linux monitoring system appliances I've
> built, etc.  That and I tend to run a lot of tabs,
>
>
>
> so 16gb of ram usually just isn't enough from my last system.  I just
> moved to 128gb of ram in my desktop as 32gb I'd depelete quick too.
>
> I certain didn't need a 1tb ssd, but the cost difference was marginal
> enough I said screw it.  My last few laptops and desktops with 512gb of ssd
> is just fine for me.
>
> I've tried the approach of running a vmware cluster at home for that
> purpose with far more resources to run VM's in, but end of the day, the
> heat/power wasn't worth it vs. just adding some ram and running what I
> needed between my desktop and laptop.  Plus vmware management is shite
> anymore related to vcenter/esx, so for my needs, virtualbox is just fine.
>
> Another big reason for the ram is chrom[e|ium] is a fsck'ing pig still.
> With my deskop usage, between chrome and vm's, it's not uncommon to run
> around 50-60gb of ram all the time.  I got tired of hitting EOM's and weird
> lag across the board as memory usage would fluctuate greatly in desktop use.
>
> -mb
>
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:
>
>>
>> What are you doing that requires a top of the line CPU, 32G RAM, and a 1T
>> SSD?
>>
>> I'm a developer and am seeing a trend toward the cloud.  PhpStorm
>> provides for editing directly on the dev server, GIT for moving code onto
>> the staging server and then onto the production server.  I'm moving to
>> Plesk that allows me to run PHP 5.6 for older code and PHP 7 for newer
>> code, while running Ubuntu 16.04lts.  Both versions of PHP on the same VPS.
>>
>> Given that a baseline laptop with decent graphics, 8G RAM, and a 128G SSD
>> should be enough.
>>
>> Unless one is running many local virtual machines, doing some serious
>> video or image work, or doing lots of compiling...  I am think the cloud
>> and thin client hardware is the way to go.
>>
>> Your thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2017-09-06 10:42, Michael Butash wrote:
>>
>> Yup, the precision 3000/5000 is almost a direct clone of the xps13/15,
>> just with different graphics (geforce vs. quadro), wifi (atheros vs.
>> intel), and proc (xeon options).  Nothing else really different I could
>> tell other than price.  I went with the xps as consumer coupons go higher
>> than precision discounts.
>>
>> I usually just shop bensbargains.com or dealnews, wait for a dell outlet
>> refurb coupon to go 35-40% around a holiday, and score a laptop then for
>> some steep savings.  I got this xps15 loaded with the 4k display, nvidia
>> gpu, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd for $1950 out the door.  Worst part of buying from
>> dell is sales tax.  :(
>>
>> -mb
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Stephen Partington 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been seeing Ubuntu offered on their precision mobile
>>> workstations...
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Carruth, Rusty >> > wrote:
>>>
&g

Re: Warranty!!?!?!?!?!

[Michael Butash]

It keeps me employed as my business and personal both, less annoyance at
system instability slapping against the 32gb limit, and feeds my tech
fetishes, so it's worth it to me.  I cobbled it together myself from mostly
used/refurbed parts as cheap as possible (cpu/mobo/case/mem), rest like
ssd's and video were new, and was around $4k for the parts all together.
Pricey yes, but considering a similar server/workstation from dell easly
costs upward of $8-10k in a same config, I'm still money ahead.  I could
spend that much on some pos alienware system with glow-y lights and glitzy
things with half the functionality.

-mb

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Snyder, Alexander J <
a...@misteralexander.com> wrote:

> 50-60 GBs of RAM consistently?!? A LAPTOP with 128GB of memory?!!?
>
> I assume you go swimming in your pile of money each night after work, Mr.
> McDuck!
>
> ;-)
>
> Thanks,
> Alex.
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8+
>
> On Sep 6, 2017 13:07, "Michael Butash"  wrote:
>
>> I do run a lot of VM's, almost always at least a windoze vm for visio and
>> crappy conferencing software, sometimes playing with firewall or other
>> network appliances, sometimes linux monitoring system appliances I've
>> built, etc.  That and I tend to run a lot of tabs, so 16gb of ram usually
>> just isn't enough from my last system.  I just moved to 128gb of ram in my
>> desktop as 32gb I'd depelete quick too.
>>
>> I certain didn't need a 1tb ssd, but the cost difference was marginal
>> enough I said screw it.  My last few laptops and desktops with 512gb of ssd
>> is just fine for me.
>>
>> I've tried the approach of running a vmware cluster at home for that
>> purpose with far more resources to run VM's in, but end of the day, the
>> heat/power wasn't worth it vs. just adding some ram and running what I
>> needed between my desktop and laptop.  Plus vmware management is shite
>> anymore related to vcenter/esx, so for my needs, virtualbox is just fine.
>>
>> Another big reason for the ram is chrom[e|ium] is a fsck'ing pig still.
>> With my deskop usage, between chrome and vm's, it's not uncommon to run
>> around 50-60gb of ram all the time.  I got tired of hitting EOM's and weird
>> lag across the board as memory usage would fluctuate greatly in desktop use.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What are you doing that requires a top of the line CPU, 32G RAM, and a
>>> 1T SSD?
>>>
>>> I'm a developer and am seeing a trend toward the cloud.  PhpStorm
>>> provides for editing directly on the dev server, GIT for moving code onto
>>> the staging server and then onto the production server.  I'm moving to
>>> Plesk that allows me to run PHP 5.6 for older code and PHP 7 for newer
>>> code, while running Ubuntu 16.04lts.  Both versions of PHP on the same VPS.
>>>
>>> Given that a baseline laptop with decent graphics, 8G RAM, and a 128G
>>> SSD should be enough.
>>>
>>> Unless one is running many local virtual machines, doing some serious
>>> video or image work, or doing lots of compiling...  I am think the cloud
>>> and thin client hardware is the way to go.
>>>
>>> Your thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2017-09-06 10:42, Michael Butash wrote:
>>>
>>> Yup, the precision 3000/5000 is almost a direct clone of the xps13/15,
>>> just with different graphics (geforce vs. quadro), wifi (atheros vs.
>>> intel), and proc (xeon options).  Nothing else really different I could
>>> tell other than price.  I went with the xps as consumer coupons go higher
>>> than precision discounts.
>>>
>>> I usually just shop bensbargains.com or dealnews, wait for a dell
>>> outlet refurb coupon to go 35-40% around a holiday, and score a laptop then
>>> for some steep savings.  I got this xps15 loaded with the 4k display,
>>> nvidia gpu, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd for $1950 out the door.  Worst part of buying
>>> from dell is sales tax.  :(
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Stephen Partington >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been seeing Ubuntu offered on their precision mobile
>>>> workstations...
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Carruth, Rusty <
>>>> rusty.carr...@smartm.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Actually, comparing the Alienware that I bought vs a very similar one
>>>>&

Re: what sort of use cases/memory_needs/etc (was RE: Warranty!!?!?!?!?!)

[Michael Butash]

I had 32gb until a year ago or so, and my system would trip out over
nothing. but my normal use, but I'm not normal  Looking at it like a
network with ~50% utilization, I figured 64gb ram would be a stopgap, and
128 probably more what I want, so let ebay sniping commense.  Linux is
pretty damn robust when the DE isn't crapping on itself, or the graphics.

I've mentioned the laptop, but the desktop is a 2x cpu dell precision 7910t
had from ebay, I stacked in some E5-2630 v4 cpus (20 core, 40ht/ea), some
8x samsung ddr4 ecc sticks, an nvidia 1070 gts, and a pair off samsung 950
512gb in raid1 (960 was like a month out, meh) ssd m.2 drives on dual pci
carriers to the 8x bus.  I don't want now, linux does not stop, just the
DE.  Prior whole sys would crash with usage about once every 2 weeks.
Cinnamon poops out about once a month, but I just hup it.  It's more
compositing/gpu shite that still can't cope.

[mb@desktop ~]$ uptime
 19:22:01 up 97 days, 10:11,  8 users,  load average: 1.53, 1.21, 1.15

## as of now

Last config, i7-4760k, 32gb ddr3 would crap out, and often.  I blame kde
mostly, why I use cinnamon now.  Not perfect, but more stable.  Fsck
compositing, I can deal without, really, but they won't let me.

YMMV, as they say.

-mb

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Aaron Jones  wrote:

> Minimum 32gb ddr4 checking in. I remember when I used to put Linux on low
> spec machines...
>
> You know, the guy at the computer store told me I would never fill my 10gb
> hard drive. But thanks to bloat and Lennart Poettering, I now need 32gb of
> ram, 8 cores, and a multi terrabyte ssd just to be effective. The future is
> here ladies and gents... and it is gloriously unoptimized.
>
> On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Stephen Partington 
> wrote:
>
> I am currently running 24gb ram and would use more. But I have a
> combination of VM use, photography (ram goes fast when you have 24mp raw)
> gaming and other strange tasks going.
>
> On Sep 6, 2017 1:48 PM, "Carruth, Rusty"  wrote:
>
>> Well, we've kind of strayed from the original topic, so I'll do a
>> pre-emptive strike and change the subject.  Hopefully nobody gets mad...
>>
>> So, I'm impressed by the memory/cpu load that Mr Graham has on his
>> computer.  And I thought I was a hog... er, I mean heavy resource user!  (I
>> once was moved to my own personal Sun Sparc computer because I kept beating
>> up the shared one getting work done...)
>>
>> But I agree with him that 16G is getting close to the minimum required
>> amount if you do much web browsing with lots of tabs (Ok, he didn't exactly
>> say that, but it was implied).  (Moment of openness - I once had 50 tabs in
>> a single Firefox window, and there were at least 4 other Firefox windows
>> running.  At this point in time, I have 17 firefox windows running, with a
>> total of 32+5+14+17+10+17+32+30+14+98+12+60+16+1+12+3+18+40.  Whoa, that
>> even surprised me.  Anyway, 'only' 5G of ram in use on this 16G windows
>> machine...)
>>
>> Also, I don't consider a thin client to be useful for anything but a work
>> machine which is unable to leave the office.  Too many ways to have things
>> not work (or be hacked/etc)..  IMHO, of course :-)
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] On
>> Behalf Of Matt Graham
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 1:38 PM
>> To: Main PLUG discussion list
>> Subject: Re: Warranty!!?!?!?!?!
>>
>> On 2017-09-06 12:26, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:
>> > What are you doing that requires a top of the line CPU, 32G RAM, and a
>> > 1T SSD?
>>
>> Android development?  :-)  An Android project someone else put together
>> here uses some sort of library or syntactic sugar combination that makes
>> compiles peg the CPU for several minutes when one line of one file's
>> changed.  (Java's always been a bloated sack, but this is kind of
>> unusual.)
>>
>> > Given that [using someone else's computer as a vital part of whatever
>> > you're doing], a baseline laptop with decent graphics, 8G RAM, and a
>> > 128G SSD should be enough.
>>
>> Maybe for some really lightweight use cases.  git assumes you have
>> infinite storage space.  Any nontrivial node.js project will eat 512M in
>> node_modules dependencies.  The Android Studio support directory here is
>> 42G.  The graphic design people here said that there was no way they could
>> get by with machines that had only 256G SSDs, because .psd files are huge.
>> And these are work machines.  You'd have to add the space music and media
>> collections take up to personal machines.
>>
>> > Unless one is running many local virtual machines, doing some serious
>> > video or image work, or doing lots of compiling... I am think the
>> > cloud and thin client hardware is the way to go.
>>
>> If you have a 100% reliable and fast network, and your disk space needs
>> are tiny, and your external service provider won't die, this *might* work.
>> Being able to work (and play) on a personal mach

Re: Warranty!!?!?!?!?!

[Michael Butash]

I'm using a Dell Precision 7910 Tower, which has dual cpu slots and 8 ram
slots per cpu.  I'd found a refurb on ebay with dual v4 xeon's cpu's
already and minimal ram as a starting point.  I'd added 8x 16gb samsung
sticks with it, finding refurbs on ebay at the time for around $56/per
stick.  I can get 32gb sticks, but they're super expensive still used even
($300-400ea).

For windoze images, I tend to give it 8gb of ram, as I do some complex
visios that have gotten cranky with less.  Other linux vm's are usually
pretty minimal, as they're pretty purpose-built, but spawning vendor
appliances from f5, palo alto, or fortinet tend to all want 4-8gb of ram as
a start.  Throw in GNS3 routing instances for cisco things, and it goes
quick there too.

Libreoffice gets ram-hungry with some formula spreadsheets too, having seen
it using ~20gb at times as well with some of the more huge price lists or
interface config generating forms I use.

I'd love to know how folks get by on 4 or 8gb of ram these days...

-mb

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 10:57 PM, Steve Litt 
wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Sep 2017 13:06:57 -0700
> Michael Butash  wrote:
>
> > I do run a lot of VM's, almost always at least a windoze vm for visio
> > and crappy conferencing software, sometimes playing with firewall or
> > other network appliances, sometimes linux monitoring system
> > appliances I've built, etc.  That and I tend to run a lot of tabs, so
> > 16gb of ram usually just isn't enough from my last system.  I just
> > moved to 128gb of ram in my desktop as 32gb I'd depelete quick too.
>
> Does your mobo have 8 ram slots, or have you found 32GB single
> ramsticks somewhere?
>
> How much RAM do you devote to each VM guest? How do you run all those
> guests without running out of host machine CPU?
>
> SteveT
>
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Re: Warranty!!?!?!?!?!

[Michael Butash]

Separate VM's under the host for each, I don't nest vm's under vm's.  Maybe
if I were trying to run esx under the parent to play with vmware or
something, but as you said, not common.

I have some spreadsheets that drive libreoffice absolutely batsh!t crazy,
mostly doing a complex concatenate to generate switch configs off some
columns of data.  Doing so still causes libre to wretch and lag and hang
and use a globs of cpu/memory for some reason.  I write it off as a
peculiarity of libreoffice, which I've just not tried elsewhere to see if
any better.  More often than not, I find office is worse, or different
enough to just break my formulas.

Cisco price lists kill it with just sheer volumes of rows...

-mb

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Matt Graham  wrote:

> On 2017-09-07 11:40, Michael Butash wrote:
>
>> For windoze images, I tend to give it 8gb of ram, as I do some
>> complex visios that have gotten cranky with less.  [...]
>> spawning vendor appliances from f5, palo alto, or fortinet tend to all
>> want 4-8gb of ram as a start.  Throw in GNS3 routing instances for
>> cisco things, and it goes quick there too.
>>
>> Libreoffice gets ram-hungry with some formula spreadsheets too,
>> having seen it using ~20gb at times as well with some of the more huge
>> price lists or interface config generating forms I use.
>>
>> I'd love to know how folks get by on 4 or 8gb of ram these days...
>>
>
> They're not using super-complex Visio things or running a bunch of
> networking appliances in separate VMs?  The latter seems like a thing very
> few people would need to do.  Gigantic spreadsheets are probably a more
> common thing.  I can't really say. Almost every spreadsheet I've seen in
> the last ten years has been "present textual data in a tabular format", not
> "do math on numbers", and they've almost all been under 10,000 rows.
>
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Re: what sort of use cases/memory_needs/etc (was RE: Warranty!!?!?!?!?!)

[Michael Butash]

On the note of memory, I get home after being on the road for a while
(1mo), and notice my desktop is wonky, refresh issues, but works.  I find
Cinnamon consuming some 91g of my ram now.  Funny how that works, guess
time to upgrade arch finally.

Most days I wish compositing in desktops would go away, it is more trouble
than it is worth.

-mb

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Aaron Jones  wrote:

> I run i3wm, luakit, discord, dropbox, and owncloud. Sometimes cmus, mutt,
> or firebird.
>
> I use about 5.9gb of my 32gb ram during normal usage. I don't keep more
> than 3 to 5 tabs open on average in luakit.
>
> Things don't usually pop off until I start using my system for work.
>
> > On Sep 7, 2017, at 11:28 AM, Matt Graham  wrote:
> >
> >> On 2017-09-06 13:48, Carruth, Rusty wrote:
> >> So, I'm impressed by the memory/cpu load that Mr Graham has on his
> >> computer.  And I thought I was a hog... er, I mean heavy resource
> >> user!
> >
> > It's *usually* not that bad/high.  Building one particular Android
> project causes this older machine (16G, 2 core i5, 500G SSD), to be almost
> unusable for as long as it takes all the java to compile/link/build.
> Ordinary Android projects and standard browsing, mail clients, apache, and
> so forth run fine.  I don't know what precisely they did to make that
> project be an enormous hog.  It's not even particularly complicated.
> >
> >> But I agree with him that 16G is getting close to the minimum
> >> required amount if you do much web browsing with lots of tabs (Ok, he
> >> didn't exactly say that, but it was implied)
> >
> > I probably have fewer tabs open than almost anyone.  9-15 usually.
> >
> > Steve Litt wrote:
> >> Firefox is a total pig. Most other browsers tie up much less
> >> resources, especially with a lot of open tabs, especially with
> >> challenging javascript encumbered sites.
> >> Also, IMHO when you start to see your browser(s) run slowly, it's
> >> time to start closing tabs. If you have a tab that you're for sure
> >> going to have to have later, bookmark it.
> >
> > Yes, pretty much.  I find that closing tabs helps, but firefox is a
> collection of code parts written by the lowest bidder and flying in
> extremely close formation around a memory leak.  I try to restart it every
> day, which seems to work.  And I'd guess that people use tabs instead of
> bookmarks because they retain approximately where you were on a page (good
> for really long pages), and there's less commitment.
> >
> > Aaron Jones wrote:
> >> Minimum 32gb ddr4 checking in. [...] thanks to bloat and Lennart
> >> Poettering, I now need 32gb of ram, 8 cores, and a multi terrabyte
> >> ssd just to be effective.  The future is here ladies and gents...
> >> and it is gloriously unoptimized.
> >
> > Modern programmers don't seem to care about optimizing things.
> Curiously enough, KDE 5 is fairly snappy for me on a machine with only 8G.
> Opening a link with gwenview in a dir that contained 17000 links to other
> images pegged the CPU for a while as it generated thumbnails for all the
> links and preloaded a bunch of them.  I'm not sure how often people do that
> sort of thing--it was more of a "what happens if I stress this program out
> a lot?" than anything.
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Re: hanging initrds

[Michael Butash]

I've had to move the initrd's elsewhere when they've filled up /boot as
well.  Move all but one in use and deleting to where ever you have space,
delete the linux-images gracefully with apt, moving another back when
deleting it next.

Anymore I give boot a 500mb-1g boot drive because kernels are getting huge,
I got tired of breaking things with 100-200mb /boot drives across time.

-mb



> Move the old initrds to somewhere that has more space, then reboot and see
> if anything breaks?  dpkg saying that the files are not owned by anything
> sounds reasonable if they're built dynamically.
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Re: I am so royaly @&%$ OFF at Debian that it's not even funny...

[Michael Butash]

Pulse can and does serve a purpose that alsa never was able to really do
easily - mux audio inputs and outputs effectively.

Can alsa do it?  Yes.  Does it do it effectively and automatically?  No.
This is what pulse does.

Long-term linux users have probably had to setup alsa dmix devices, it was
never fun or intuitive unless you understood audio sampling, bitrates, and
codecs like that.  Most did not because of pulse eventually, luckily I have
an affinity toward such things to setup dmix prior, but it was far from
intuitive.  Pulse has been more good than bad from the dark ages of alsa
alone.

Pulse as software is doing some stuff probably best served by hardware, but
such things don't exist when routing between hardware devices in the first
place.  In experiencing probably 8-9 years of pulse evolution now, there
have been issues, but it is still more good than bad lest you love dealing
with alsa directly.  I do not.

Pulse issues these days are more codec and hardware related, I wouldn't gut
pulse since most things just assume and presume it is default and there in
the first place these days.  Last time I tried that, it ended worse than
better.

Install pavucontrol and ensure your audio is routing properly to begin with
between devices as this shows you the response to the input/output feeds
real-time.  KDE sound and even Cinnamon do a lack-lustre job at best
replacing pulse controls, I still prefer to use the pulse client
pavucontrol to do the sound management, same as alsa people bust out amixer
as a common denominator.

-mb


On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Steve Litt 
wrote:

> I have an idea that might work.
>
> First, get rid of Pulseaudio. That thing has too many hard to find
> mutes, and its interrelationships with ALSA and hardware are too
> convoluted to easily troubleshoot. Run pure ALSA, using apulse for the
> occasional thing that *must* have pulseaudio.
>
> Now, exclusively use aplay, arecord, amixer and sound-test, every one
> of which is CLI, to configure your sound. I'm assuming you have some
> sort of way to read terminal output, because you participate on this
> mailing list.
>
> If you absolutely, positively refuse to get rid of Pulseaudio, the
> following article might (or might not) be of service:
>
> http://terokarvinen.com/2015/volume-control-with-
> pulseaudio-command-line-tools
>
> I've been using Void Linux for about 18 months, and find it an
> excellent distro to do things my way, which is usually the simple way.
> With Void,  I'm able to do all necessary sound stuff with ALSA and the
> occasional invocation of apulse. Void does an excellent job of letting
> you configure your machine your way.
>
> HTH,
>
> SteveT
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Re: hanging initrds

[Michael Butash]

I happened to come across this and thought of this thread, might be useful
for those old systems from when you could still fit a half-dozen kernels on
a 100mb partition.  I've not done initrd compression before, and slows it
down some, but as he says, better than reinstalling.

http://www.murraytwins.com/blog/?p=156

-mb

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 7:29 PM, der.hans  wrote:

> Am 18. Sep, 2017 schwätzte Michael Butash so:
>
> I've had to move the initrd's elsewhere when they've filled up /boot as
>> well.  Move all but one in use and deleting to where ever you have space,
>> delete the linux-images gracefully with apt, moving another back when
>> deleting it next.
>>
>> Anymore I give boot a 500mb-1g boot drive because kernels are getting
>> huge,
>> I got tired of breaking things with 100-200mb /boot drives across time.
>>
>
> Yeah, I have a couple systems with postage stamp sized boot partitions :(.
> They're annoying.
>
> It's like a swap partition, it uses so little space compared to the size
> of the hard drive that it's mostly irrelevant.
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
>
> -mb
>>
>>
>>
>> Move the old initrds to somewhere that has more space, then reboot and see
>>> if anything breaks?  dpkg saying that the files are not owned by anything
>>> sounds reasonable if they're built dynamically.
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Re: annotation with gimp

[Michael Butash]

I've not found a good way to do annotations or any sort of free-form
drawing on Gimp, but I do tend to grab the image and toss it into Visio for
annotations there.  There I can use the drawing tools, and stencils like
Callout boxes then to highlight and annotate visually.

There are the web-based visio-ish clones like LucidCharts you could use in
place of visio too.  Sadly visio is still a quite useful tool even though
it is on windoze only.

I use Master PDF Editor as well for manipulating PDF's, it's pretty awesome
for that.  Under linux it's free for non-commercial use, but windoze they
restrict your saving ability for pay unlock.

-mb

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> anyone know of a good tutorial for annotating a picture and a pdf with
> gimp?
> please reply-all
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Re: NetGear Routers

[Michael Butash]

I find that the routers themselves don't seem to change that much, what
changes is the wireless side.  I use a netgear r7000 nighthawk, which has
AC radios, but I just shut them off and use it as a basic router.  I was
using a cisco wlc until recently, and now am using samsung smart connect
mesh ap's scattered around my house for coverage.  Thought is keep the two
technologies separate.

Even an older router with dual-cores, 1-2gb memory, and good quality wired
lan will work well, probably be cheap for a few-year old one, then just do
wireless behind the router in ap modes.

-mb

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 9:21 AM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> sadly my main router did not do so well with DDWRT. It actually has a
> hardware offload for some of the firewall functions that actually dont have
> drivers for DDWRT yet.
>
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 8:19 PM, Mark Phillips  > wrote:
>
>> I wish I had your router! ;)
>>
>> I would prefer dd-wrt over netgear firmware!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 7:57 PM, Stephen Partington > > wrote:
>>
>>> Ok. I feel silly. My netgear is the wndr3700
>>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2017 7:07 PM, "Mark Phillips" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is the latest info I found from Sept 16, 2016 -

 https://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Netgear_WNDR3400

 Other links are older. However, ymmv as I did not probe that deeply
 into the dd-wrt web sites.

 Mark

 On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Stephen Partington <
 cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It is weird. They support several of the  erosion of the 3400 except 4
> I think.
>
> On Oct 18, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mark Phillips" 
> wrote:
>
> I looked for a DD_WRT version for the WNDR3400v3 router, and I did not
> find anything current. It seems the hardware is not supported yet?
>
> Anyway, I did find a way to backup the configuration of the router. I
> performed the Netgear upgrade, and it seems to have saved all the
> configuration settings, but I used the back up anyway and all seems to be
> working!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mark
>
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Stephen Partington <
> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have the same device and have installed DD-WRT on it right now.
>>
>> More to the point if you backup your settings in case of failure they
>> should persist across updates.
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2017 3:54 PM, "Mark Phillips" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I find I need to upgrade the firmware on my Netgear WNDR3400v3
>> routers. I actually only use them as APs. Does anyone have experience 
>> with
>> upgrading the firmware? Specifically, doe the routers retain all the
>> settings, or are they set back to factory defaults? There is no way to
>> download the settings that I can see, and the documentation says to write
>> down all the settings before upgrading.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mark
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Re: Plex Media Problems

[Michael Butash]

On a side note, I bought an nvidia shield recently after running a full
htpc for years with kodi, and it's pretty awesome.  Not only do I get best
kodi player ever that attaches and plays all my local on-net content, but
it does all the pay services with a full, sanctioned android build as well,
if you're into the paying sort of thing.  I've installed some apps on there
as well like a squeezeplayer app for being a squeeze renderer, my various
automation clients side-loaded (sucks they won't load default here), and is
really flexible so far as a media player AND android device on my
tv/receiver.

Lately they just added google assistant voice as well, which besides
unnerving me with an always on mic the government can/does use, is sort of
fun to play with.

Roku wha?  A shield is a lot more expensive ($179 now), but well worth it
so far.

What else are folks doing here these days for media players?

-mb

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Mark Phillips 
wrote:

> Now I have no idea what is going on. I moved the XD Roku to another TV in
> another room, and it streams plex just fine. Must be Gremlins in the
> network...
>
> At least they both work, now!
>
> Mark
>
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Mark Phillips <
> m...@phillipsmarketing.biz> wrote:
>
>> Actually, I discovered the source of the problem. I have two Roku 2
>> players, an XS and an XD. The XS works just fine, with an occasional stop
>> and re-buffering after the first minute and then no issues after that. It
>> is the XD that won't stream any more with the latest Linux plex server.
>>
>> I don't think it is a plex issue. I think it is a Roku issue, and it is
>> time to get some new Roku hardware. They are pretty cheap on Amazon. A Roku
>> 4 is less than $100.
>>
>> Any suggestions from the group on the best upgrade for a Roku?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Snyder, Alexander J <
>> a...@misteralexander.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Holly crap, I'm not the only one! For me, the video seems to crap out
>>> after a commercial, or at least the 2 second black screen gap where a
>>> commercial was edited out. The audio continues, but the video is black. I
>>> have to back out of the video and then "resume" from where I was and then
>>> it's fine.
>>>
>>> I'm also running a Roku on WiFi and it works fine with other apps. This
>>> also happened after the latest update.
>>>
>>> I suspect Plex will patch this bug soon. They are usually on it with
>>> this kind of stuff.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alex.
>>>
>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8+
>>>
>>> On Oct 22, 2017 10:09, "Mark Phillips" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have been running a plex media server on an older Debian laptop for
 years. I upgraded to the latest version (1.9.4.4325), and now it is not
 working. I am not sure how to diagnose this problem. I can't reload the
 older version I was using, as I don't remember which version it was.

 I access plex through a Roku box connected to my LG TV using wifi. The
 symptoms are that the video quits after a few minutes. and the roku plex
 app dies, but not the plex server.  I can play movies through the plex
 server without any issue on a computer or Android table over Wifi or hard
 wired. Needless to say, the roku works just fine with Amazon, Netflix, etc.

 I looked in the log files and don't see any error messages. I tried
 disabling the firewall on my plex server, and the symptoms are the same -
 the video starts and plays for a few minutes then the roku plex app goes
 away and I have to reconnect to the plex server. The plex server on the
 computer does not die.

 Any suggestions for debugging this problem further would be greatly
 appreciated!

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Re: Plex Media Problems

[Michael Butash]

I have something like that occur using a ps4 doing dlna rendering against a
UMS server I run locally, where it dies after 30 minutes.  I've never
figured out why, using it as a stop-gap when my htpc died suddenly, but it
was annoying enough I bought the said switch to replace it.

I thought it was a sony thing hating that I'm watching movie rips on it,
but maybe not.  DLNA is always shaky when I've used it, I have no issues
with kodi smb mounting my filers though.

-mb

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Mark Phillips 
wrote:

> Well, my Roku woes continue. The XS stopped playing after an hour or so. I
> may have to upgrade the Rokus
>
> Mark
>
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Stephen Partington 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a gen1 chromecast and a gen1 Amazon fire stick. The chromecast is
>> really slick but needs your phone etc to work. But the fire is nice but a
>> tad bit underpowered.
>>
>> With both of these i really think they should have made ethernet
>> adapters. Life would have been fantastic for both with that.
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2017 3:59 PM, "Michael Butash"  wrote:
>>
>>> On a side note, I bought an nvidia shield recently after running a full
>>> htpc for years with kodi, and it's pretty awesome.  Not only do I get best
>>> kodi player ever that attaches and plays all my local on-net content, but
>>> it does all the pay services with a full, sanctioned android build as well,
>>> if you're into the paying sort of thing.  I've installed some apps on there
>>> as well like a squeezeplayer app for being a squeeze renderer, my various
>>> automation clients side-loaded (sucks they won't load default here), and is
>>> really flexible so far as a media player AND android device on my
>>> tv/receiver.
>>>
>>> Lately they just added google assistant voice as well, which besides
>>> unnerving me with an always on mic the government can/does use, is sort of
>>> fun to play with.
>>>
>>> Roku wha?  A shield is a lot more expensive ($179 now), but well worth
>>> it so far.
>>>
>>> What else are folks doing here these days for media players?
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Mark Phillips <
>>> m...@phillipsmarketing.biz> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now I have no idea what is going on. I moved the XD Roku to another TV
>>>> in another room, and it streams plex just fine. Must be Gremlins in the
>>>> network...
>>>>
>>>> At least they both work, now!
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Mark Phillips <
>>>> m...@phillipsmarketing.biz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Actually, I discovered the source of the problem. I have two Roku 2
>>>>> players, an XS and an XD. The XS works just fine, with an occasional stop
>>>>> and re-buffering after the first minute and then no issues after that. It
>>>>> is the XD that won't stream any more with the latest Linux plex server.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think it is a plex issue. I think it is a Roku issue, and it
>>>>> is time to get some new Roku hardware. They are pretty cheap on Amazon. A
>>>>> Roku 4 is less than $100.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions from the group on the best upgrade for a Roku?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Snyder, Alexander J <
>>>>> a...@misteralexander.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Holly crap, I'm not the only one! For me, the video seems to crap out
>>>>>> after a commercial, or at least the 2 second black screen gap where a
>>>>>> commercial was edited out. The audio continues, but the video is black. I
>>>>>> have to back out of the video and then "resume" from where I was and then
>>>>>> it's fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm also running a Roku on WiFi and it works fine with other apps.
>>>>>> This also happened after the latest update.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect Plex will patch this bug soon. They are usually on it with
>>>>>> this kind of stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Alex.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8+
>>>

Re: computer slow

[Michael Butash]

If I ever have that, it's usually because of something with a memory leak,
or desktop graphic compositing is degrading over time.

Before you reboot, see if you can ssh into it from another computer and
check htop (or just top all you have), see if something is consuming all
your memory or cpu.

Desktop compositors are all shite from what I can tell (including windoze),
they're all just a varying degree of broken when you push them, or just
have a slow (or buggy) video card.  Depending on your desktop environment
of choice, try turning down graphics options, or disabling the compositor
all together to see if it helps stability.

-mb

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Michael  wrote:

> I'm almost certain that in my bag of tricks I had instructions on
> 'resetting' my computer when it started acting weird but I can't find them.
> Riddle me this: I try to leave the computer on 24/7 (maybe I shouldn't do
> that) and twice so far I come up to it and it is non-responsive or really
> slow to respond. Anyone know how to fix this?
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Re: A good day for Linux... :)

[Michael Butash]

Linux continues to take over operation of "things" from air to ground,
already running things like Tesla vehicles with (multiple) Ubuntu systems,
and now others like Toyota using Automotive Grade Linux (AGL) for
infotainment and telemetry.  I for one cannot wait.

Oddly, I find most auto nav/radio entertainment systems are still running
bastards like WinCE and QNX, resulting in atrocious feature capabilities.
In most cases, they simply miss the point of what an mp3 player should do
(like playing id3 tagged music actually in order...), let alone all their
crappy UI mishaps that make your vehicle seem like something from the 90's
still.

Just use linux and/or android already, do everyone a favor.

-mb

On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 10:26 AM,  wrote:

> Unofficial (and unauthorized) disclosure:
> As of tomorrow, the first Linux-based 'FAA positions' (air traffic
> controller boxes) will be officially deployed in the 'En Route Air Traffic
> Control System'.
> That means that some controllers will be using Linux boxes instead of AIX
> boxes to move *YOUR* airplane from here to there.
> And that's only the tip of the iceberg...   :)
> For those of you 'uninitiated', there are essentially 4 phases to any
> flight:
> ground and take off,
> departure (or approach),
> transition and,
> 'en route'
> 'en route' will be all Linux in the future.
> As a 'Computer Geek' (and Linux user of 1.5 decades) worming on that
> software and a Commercial Pilot that talks over the radio with those
> controllers, I am pretty thrilled about it...
> ET
> PS: Contact your congress representative and OPPOSE Air Traffic Control
> privatization.
> It will affect you in ways that you don't even imagine...
> http://www.atcnotforsale.com/
> http://tinyurl.com/y7kw735t
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Re: seeking 4k curved monitor recommendation

[Michael Butash]

I went the route of getting a 48" samsung 4k/60hz tv's for around $620/ea a
few years ago during black friday sales, which I love using now as a giant
displays.  This was going from 6x 24" in a row to 3x of these, basically
giving me the same wrap dimensions, but as though I added another 6x double
high for a full 11520x2160 framebuffer.  I thought 55" might have been too
big at the time, but I almost wish I had just gone with them now.

A month or so ago I saw walmart selling a 55" curved 4k/60hz lcd from
Sceptre for $350 that is a steal as long as it's roughly the same quality.

The only downside I've found is the displays don't dpms power-down, so
they'll go into screensaver mode and stay on until you power them off.
Which in turn triggers pretty much every linux desktop to freak out and do
weird things when it loses all of its displays, so most time I just leave
them on with their screensaver.  Last time I ran into someone with an
actual samsung 30" 4k "monitor", it did the same thing, so caveat emptor.

-mb

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:11 PM, der.hans  wrote:

> moin moin,
>
> I'm considering a wide, curved 4k monitor.
>
> I'll be connecting to an HDMI port.
>
> I'm currently using a 4k TV with text display issues. It was the best
> option at the time, but my eyes really, really want a better text display.
> I'm also finding that a wide flat display is less than ideal, hence the
> desire for curved.
>
> Any recommendations for specific monitors? Places of acquisition?
>
> I normally ignore black Friday sales, but this year many of them appear to
> be black November sales. That works better for me, if I'm going to change
> I need to do so before Thanksgiving as that's when silly season hits full
> swing for $dayjob.
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
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Re: seeking 4k curved monitor recommendation

[Michael Butash]

Yup, I bought one too to play with, but seeing I need 3x, and they're 40-50
a piece, I was considering alternatives.

Sadly these don't present any sort of public api to hit when on ethernet,
and I never got around to packet sniffing or mitm the sessions that my
harmony and other things tie into them with to remote control them.  Pain
in the arse technology, I just run up my power bills and leave them on
instead.

-mb

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Brian Cluff  wrote:

> On 11/15/2017 12:23 PM, Michael Butash wrote:
>
>> The only downside I've found is the displays don't dpms power-down, so
>> they'll go into screensaver mode and stay on until you power them off.
>> Which in turn triggers pretty much every linux desktop to freak out and do
>> weird things when it loses all of its displays, so most time I just leave
>> them on with their screensaver.  Last time I ran into someone with an
>> actual samsung 30" 4k "monitor", it did the same thing, so caveat emptor.
>>
> When I initially got my 50in display, I found that I had to leave it on
> all the time to avoid the system freaking out, but that hasn't been the
> case for over a year.  I now setthe  GPU to shut off the display which
> doesn't actually shut off the display, but I have the TV set to shut off
> after a certain amount of time with no input.
> I do have to turn it on my hand whenever I want to use the computer, but
> it's quick to power up and really hasn't been a big deal ever since they
> fixed the issues with the system freaking out because of a lack of displays.
>
> There is also the possibility to use a USB to CEC adapter to shut down and
> wake up your TV.
> https://www.pulse-eight.com/p/104/usb-hdmi-cec-adapter
> I picked one of them up and got it to turn on and off the TV from a
> script, but I haven't been able to locate how to hook it into the power
> management properly to get things automated.
>
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Re: kodi tvaddons

[Michael Butash]

Legal conundrum.  Media cartels want their profits back, crackdown ensues.
Piratebay ftw.

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Michael  wrote:

>
> I've been living where I didn't need kodi but moved a couple of days ago.
> Where did tvaddons go?
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Re: Hardening WIFI

[Michael Butash]

Ensure you're only using wpa2-aes (no tkip, or mix wpa1-2), and use a very
long psk string.  Ensure your clients aren't vulnerable to the blueborne
and other wifi ota exploits.  Not much else you can do really unless you
want to run a radius and/or cert pki in-house to do eap-tls, or peap.  You
can crack against wpa2, but unless using an easy string, it's not easy or
assured they will figure out your string.

I use a 32char random string, special characters, really annoying when
adding new devices, but I don't worry about someone cracking it.

-mb


On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 2:58 PM,  wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I would like to "Harden" my WIFI and am not sure where to start.  I seem
> to recall past discussions on replacing the standard equipment provided by
> our ISP.
>
> I would like to make it very difficult to hack my WIFI and I would like a
> firewall.  And I would like this to be "Plug and Play" as much as is
> possible.  In other words I would like to stay away from installing a Linux
> firewall on an extra PC and then having to maintain it.
>
> Please feel free to let me know if my expectations are not valid.
>
> Thanks in advance!!
>
> Keith
>
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Re: kodi tvaddons

[Michael Butash]

If you've ever worked in networking at a carrier or isp level, you know net
neutrality never really was to begin with.  From the beginnings of time,
there's been a feature called "quality of service" that makes sure some
traffic is always more important than other traffics, so this has always
been happening, it's really just more if they apply that lack of priority
and/or limiting of queue traffic to certain (competing) services, which
assuredly they already do now too.

This is why I still just download anything I watch like movies and shows
that aren't just random youtube videos.  What delay?  This is all on the
2nd to the cheapest cox plan - don't need no stinkin' gigablast.

Funny part is my aunt that pays for multiple streaming services and watches
everything there got hit by Cox's bandwidth cap now.  She knows I just
pirate everything, and ask if I was warned too - nope.  I don't think I
watch tv near as much as she does, but found it funny that legit users are
most affected and forced to pay even more in just bandwidth overages.

20 years after downloading my first free music and movies, piracy is still
the most hassle-free method I can use to watch tv.

-mb


On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 1:17 AM, Steve Litt 
wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 23:50:33 -0700
> Eric Oyen  wrote:
>
> > well,
> > the media cartels can go pound sand as far as I am concerned. I can
> > get most of the content I want from Amazon, netflix, hulu (if I could
> > ever get around the accessibility issues) or even youtube tv.
>
> You'd better hurry up and give feedback to the FCC not to trash
> Net Neutrality, because in a couple days they vote to allow the
> media cartels to erect toll bridges and speed bumps on the Internet to
> retard Amazon, netflox, hulu, and youtube tv. Without Net Neutrality,
> it's *us* who will be pounding sand.
>
> SteveT
>
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Re: new thread: QoS, latency, bandwidth and the FCC/net neutrality debate

[Michael Butash]

Most network devices these days, including wireless, firewalls, as well as
you standard routers and switches tend to do layer 4 and up application
inspection, primarily for creating policies like "limit youtube|netflix to
1mbps", "block peer to peer traffic", and "limit google to safe search
only" that muck with your content when at work, school, anywhere you have
an network admin like Herminio or I trying to keep users from doing things
to break the network, or at least them all at once doing so.

Early on, Netflix and Youtube grew to be behemoth network hogs for
providers, so rather than let storming elephants trample the village, they
would "queue" that traffic so it wouldn't overrun more important things,
like normal web browsing and more perceptible use cases (still likely do).
As Stephen said, they eventually got smarter, or Netflix did, to peer
directly with the mega providers, and put local content distribution nodes
directly into them on 100gb switches so they didn't have to slaughter your
traffic (and take the bad press eventually in being the internet cop ala
comcast).

Is this really what the net neutrality debate is about anymore?  No,
politicians don't care about internet speeds, it's really about media
consolidation occurring that you will be pretty much left with att,
comcast, and news corp for all television, internet, phone, and news in
general.  What could go wrong, other than enabling maniacal billionaires to
buy their way into the white house.

-mb


On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Herminio Hernandez Jr. <
herminio.hernande...@gmail.com> wrote:

> They are very related Network QoS exists because there are limits in how
> much networking gear transmits packets and frames. There is a lot more to
> it than just writing the policy. There is a cost to engineer that out.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 24, 2017, at 12:59 PM, Stephen Partington 
> wrote:
>
> It is not that simple in my mind. Network QoS is very different then the
> possibility of the customers pay extra for additional services.
>
> Besides Netflix has cache devices that can and are frequently in local is
> Datacenters to alleviate latency and Bw issues.
>
> And given the current fcc chairs attitude I am really skeptical.
>
> On Nov 24, 2017 12:31 PM, "Herminio Hernandez, Jr." <
> herminio.hernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I will start with some thoughts on why I find the NN debate troubling.
>> First there is a technical misunderstanding. NN is built on the idea that
>> ISPs should treat all traffic equally. This concept is simply unrealistic.
>> Bandwidth is a limited resource there is only so much data that a Ethernet
>> port can transmit and receive. Also things like MTU size, latency, jitter
>> all impact the reliable transmission of data which bring me to my other
>> point. Not all traffic is the same. There are night and day differences
>> between TCP and UDP traffic. For example UDP (which is what most voice and
>> video is) is faster than TCP. The drawback to this is that UDP does not
>> have the recovery features that TCP has in case of packet loss (ie sequence
>> number and acknowledgment packets). There UDP applications are more prone
>> to suffer when latency is high or links get saturated. To overcome this
>> network engineer implement prioritization and traffic shaping to ensure
>> these services are not impacted.
>>
>> As more content is consumed such as 4K video on the internet, the need
>> for traffic shaping will only increase. Netflix already has the ability to
>> push 100Gbps from their servers. That is a ton of data that needs to be
>> prioritized by ISPs. This is not free there are serious costs involved in
>> man hours and infrastructure. Someone needs to bear that cost. This is why
>> I am not opposed to fast lanes. If Netflix is going to have ISPs ensure all
>> of the massive amounts to data are push is delivered efficiently, then the
>> ISPs should be free to charge a premium for this service. Netflix does not
>> want to bear this cost, hense their support for Net Neutrality. They want
>> the ISPs to bear the cost, but then result of that is we bear the cost via
>> data caps.
>>
>> When you strip away all the slogans it all comes down to money and
>> control. Data will be traffic shaped it is just who decides how unelected
>> government bureaucrats pushing some public policy or market forces.
>>
>> Something else to consider a lot not all but a lot of the very same
>> people who cry that the end of Net Neutrality will be end of free speech
>> (no more free and open internet) have no issue saying Twiiter, Facebook,
>> and Google (since they are 'private companies') have the right demonetize,
>> obscure, or even ban individuals who express ideas that other deem
>> "offensive". How is that promoting a "Free and Open Internet"?
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>
>>> well, as someone else suggested, a new thread.
>>>
>>> so, shall we start the discussion?
>>>
>>> ok, as ment

Re: Good Cheap PC to play MP3s and MP4 video? (Was: OT Mac Mini obsolescent?)

[Michael Butash]

If this is going to run for a business, I'd suggest buying a moderate dell
server or decent workstation ala precision or poweredge.  You can get
40-50% off deals from Dell Financial Services regularly for some 2-3yr old
hardware, and still get some warranty.  I always buy Dell Outlet refurbs,
get full warranty, and wait for good coupons on whatever I'm looking for at
the time.

If it dies, you probably want to know you can get a part replaced
reasonably fast.  Fry's never fails to let me down when I need some
critical in a pinch not having it, and there's really no where else left
local.

-mb

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Victor Odhner  wrote:

> OK, I’ve decided on Linux. (No longer OT*!*)
>
> I need recommendations on an adequate PC to run stereo music and videos
> (1920x1080 projector) for a church.
>
> I decided that Linux would be best to ensure that we can have good
> performance and up-to-date software for this well-defined application. We
> wouldn’t be at the mercy of Apple or Microsoft dragging us around a sharp
> corner. My main backup guy has been using Linux (Mint, like me) for some
> years, and the apps are basic enough that our other users would be
> comfortable.
>
> I’d like to keep this as cheap as reasonable, concentrating on solid
> quality (e.g. really adequate power supply) so that we wouldn’t have to
> worry about it for 5 to 10 years. I’d want all parts to be brand new, or
> almost.
>
> Is there still a Linux systems store in the Valley? Should I just put
> together a box with parts from Fry’s or the Web?
>
> Hey, is there someone out there who would like to give me a quote for an
> assembled box? (I have kb, monitor and mouse.)
>
> Thanks,
> Victor
> _
>
> On 20171130, at 14:55, Stephen Partington  wrote:
>
> well if you are looking to maintain portability you can look at the Intel
> NUC. but really this relies entirely on what your budget is.
>
> Looking at your existing application Digital Performer installs on Windows
> or OSX, also you can look into the Hackintosh. there are some build guides
> out there that run with a fully tested hardware configs to consider.
>
> But the Mac mini is a viable system even with the age of the device.
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Carruth, Rusty  > wrote:
>
>> I’m not very happy with Micro$oft’s product, especially 10 (have you
>> actually tried to install 10?  I have.  Goodness, talk about a step back
>> into pre-history!  It refused to install because there was a CHANCE that it
>> wouldn’t boot – even though I had just proven that it WOULD boot in that
>> configuration – and no way to override their ‘help’!)
>>
>> So, for me, its ‘buy the most powerful, RAM-loaded system I can manage
>> (with SSD if possible), and install Linux Mint.
>>
>> But that’s just me ;-)
>>
>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *David Schwartz
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:23 PM
>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>> *Subject:* Re: OT: Mac Mini obsolescent? When next release?
>>
>> I’d be tempted to get an all-in-one Windows machine (most seem to have
>> touch-screens now) or a small iMac.
>>
>> AIO Windows machines are well under $1k.
>>
>> Stick to the KISS principle here. :-)
>>
>> -David Schwartz
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Victor Odhner  wrote:
>>
>> Spun off from the Genius discussion:
>>
>> The Apple CEO reportedly says Mini is still part of their product line,
>> but he won’t say anything about the next release.
>>
>> I was another Mini shopper, for supportability and video resolution
>> reasons. Our church music team needs to update a 2009 Mini. I want to get a
>> *new* desktop (laptop wouldn’t fit our config): my goal is to give them
>> hopefully 5+ years of reliable operation. Any comments would be welcome.
>>
>> Now looking at ditching the Mini, going to Windows or Linux to drive our
>> video projector (MPV rocks) and an MP3 player. The Mini is where our
>> Digital Performer lives (music synthesizer), but I’ve converted most of our
>> library to MP3s and I can still use the old Mini if I need to get creative.
>>
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Re: Good Cheap PC to play MP3s and MP4 video? (Was: OT Mac Mini obsolescent?)

[Michael Butash]

I'd recommend even android devices as media renderers.

I bought an nvidia shield for my birthday, and I rather like it as a media
player.  It shows up as a renderer for upnp/dlna/chromecast, and is the
best kodi player out there (which can add airplay and other rendering).

As another option, at our office, I installed a few android sony tv's
around our office that do mostly the same things, though no one really
seems to utilize the features or know they're there.  They can be a
chromecast receiver, miracast receiver, or generic dlna I've found by
default, plus run most any android app.  Even their bluetooth beacons as an
asset which I found interesting!  I rather want one of the 85" ones I put
in personally, I grinned manically watching kodi launch on that 85" the
first time.

The android 48" was pretty decent, like $800 bucks (4k/60hz, nice display,
it's sony), and the 85" same specs I ended up working out a deal to get one
for around $4500 bucks (seen $3500 refurb).  Much below the $9k retail
price on the bugger, so deals can be worked even as a business expense.

Both my Shield and those tv's at work have been pretty cool so far.  The
Shield does also does google assistant (if you like the creepy always-on
mic wired-to-government sort of thing), and recently made it a samsung
smartthings automation hub with a usb dongle addition.  I can install or
sideload pretty much whatever, but lots of android apps don't like
tablet-modes it seems to use.

-mb


On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Victor Odhner  wrote:

> OK, I’ve decided on Linux. (No longer OT*!*)
>
> I need recommendations on an adequate PC to run stereo music and videos
> (1920x1080 projector) for a church.
>
> I decided that Linux would be best to ensure that we can have good
> performance and up-to-date software for this well-defined application. We
> wouldn’t be at the mercy of Apple or Microsoft dragging us around a sharp
> corner. My main backup guy has been using Linux (Mint, like me) for some
> years, and the apps are basic enough that our other users would be
> comfortable.
>
> I’d like to keep this as cheap as reasonable, concentrating on solid
> quality (e.g. really adequate power supply) so that we wouldn’t have to
> worry about it for 5 to 10 years. I’d want all parts to be brand new, or
> almost.
>
> Is there still a Linux systems store in the Valley? Should I just put
> together a box with parts from Fry’s or the Web?
>
> Hey, is there someone out there who would like to give me a quote for an
> assembled box? (I have kb, monitor and mouse.)
>
> Thanks,
> Victor
> _
>
> On 20171130, at 14:55, Stephen Partington  wrote:
>
> well if you are looking to maintain portability you can look at the Intel
> NUC. but really this relies entirely on what your budget is.
>
> Looking at your existing application Digital Performer installs on Windows
> or OSX, also you can look into the Hackintosh. there are some build guides
> out there that run with a fully tested hardware configs to consider.
>
> But the Mac mini is a viable system even with the age of the device.
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Carruth, Rusty  > wrote:
>
>> I’m not very happy with Micro$oft’s product, especially 10 (have you
>> actually tried to install 10?  I have.  Goodness, talk about a step back
>> into pre-history!  It refused to install because there was a CHANCE that it
>> wouldn’t boot – even though I had just proven that it WOULD boot in that
>> configuration – and no way to override their ‘help’!)
>>
>> So, for me, its ‘buy the most powerful, RAM-loaded system I can manage
>> (with SSD if possible), and install Linux Mint.
>>
>> But that’s just me ;-)
>>
>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *David Schwartz
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:23 PM
>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>> *Subject:* Re: OT: Mac Mini obsolescent? When next release?
>>
>> I’d be tempted to get an all-in-one Windows machine (most seem to have
>> touch-screens now) or a small iMac.
>>
>> AIO Windows machines are well under $1k.
>>
>> Stick to the KISS principle here. :-)
>>
>> -David Schwartz
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Victor Odhner  wrote:
>>
>> Spun off from the Genius discussion:
>>
>> The Apple CEO reportedly says Mini is still part of their product line,
>> but he won’t say anything about the next release.
>>
>> I was another Mini shopper, for supportability and video resolution
>> reasons. Our church music team needs to update a 2009 Mini. I want to get a
>> *new* desktop (laptop wouldn’t fit our config): my goal is to give them
>> hopefully 5+ years of reliable operation. Any comments would be welcome.
>>
>> Now looking at ditching the Mini, going to Windows or Linux to drive our
>> video projector (MPV rocks) and an MP3 player. The Mini is where our
>> Digital Performer lives (music synthesizer), but I’ve converted most of our
>> library to MP3s and I can still use the old Mini if I need to get c

Re: Cox Gigablast

[Michael Butash]

Agreed here about just doing https, I've just always used straight
ipsec/openvpn, or later a https sslvpn to connect home to things when
allowed.  Never really had a need otherwise to host 80 or smtp, and back
then they even blocked 443.  At some point later they stopped filtering
https (think Partington mentioned this - thanks again!), which made life
easier at least to present some form of web externally, so long as your
users were smart enough to put https:// first, or use a redirect service in
front as mentioned.

Past few years, I use https://www.zerotier.com for connecting all my hosts
vs. traditional vpn to connect behind firewalls/filters, which gives me
always on vpn between any of my hosts that run the client and join my SDN
network there.  Runs on pretty much everything, including my various pi/arm
linux systems, android, whatever really, and give you 100 clients for
free.  This gives me essentially a layer 2 network between all my hosts,
minus multicast propagation (damn mdns address restrictions).

I love this service, and recently noticed they have a hardware offering on
kickstarter even.

-mb


On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> My solution is to run everything on https with a lets encrypt cert and a
> port 80 to 443 redirect via my Domain registrar.
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:30 PM, der.hans  wrote:
>
>> Am 19. Nov, 2017 schwätzte kelly stephenson so:
>>
>> moin moin,
>>
>> Cox blocks incoming port 80 requests, what is your plan to get around this
>>> for your web site you plan on hosting?
>>>
>>
>> Cox residential blocks ports. I have gotten around it for years by not
>> using Cox residential :).
>>
>> Most of the time I've used Cox business, which will allow all ports. You
>> might have to request 80 and 25 get unblocked.
>>
>> I have also used Century Link residential, which will also allow all
>> ports. You will have to specifically request unblocking for port 25.
>>
>> Both will let you know if they're getting complaints about your web or
>> SMTP services.
>>
>> Both give you a static IP and the option to rent out a block. You'll have
>> to contact them to request RR records.
>>
>> In my experience, Cox doesn't understand the concept of a static IP. I
>> have had 3 yanked out from me with at most a couple days notice. One was
>> zero notice because they didn't notice my IP was in use. That was years
>> ago, but I was obviously massively underimpressed with Cox customer
>> service.
>>
>> ciao,
>>
>> der.hans
>>
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2017 7:01 PM, "Eric Oyen"  wrote:
>>>
>>> oh joy! they would make you have to adapt to a new technology.

 -eric
 from the central offices of the Technomage Guild, You can't get there
 from
 here Dept.

 On Nov 19, 2017, at 6:59 PM, Stephen Partington wrote:

 I am looking at a node.js nginx build because my current hosting company
 won't support node.js without a Vps and I cannot wrap my head around the
 Google cloud app engine yet for posting node.js yet.

 On Nov 19, 2017 6:50 PM, "Eric Oyen"  wrote:

 yep. :)
> I am going to have to setup a DMZ on my personal router pointed to a
> specific machine. there I will have to setup the web server, a site
> (which
> I will need to register) and a few other goodies. nice thing about my
> router, I can assign separate subnet segments to each port. this way,
> if
> anyone gets control of the web server, about all they can see is that
> subnet (and the administrative interface for the router will
> definitely be
> locked out on that port, so no control there either).
>
> my only questiild, IT support Dept.
> on, what to use as a web server (I am also looking at putting an SDR on
> there for remote hf/vhf/uhf/shf reception). I was thinking a raspberry
> pie
> late generation.
>
> -eric
> from the central offices of the Technomage Gu
> On Nov 19, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Stephen Partington wrote:
>
> I got in when they were around 2 tb. And since then they reset it to
> unlimited.
>
> Funny thing is running my own web server of an SSD cached Mac mini runs
> like a champ.
>
> On Nov 19, 2017 5:29 PM, "Eric Oyen"  wrote:
>
> well,
>> it took a little thinking to come up with the figure they quote for
>> monthly usage.
>>
>> Consider that a typical 1080p Hi-def video stream is about 750 Kb/sec.
>> if left going 24/7 for 30 days, that would be 2.7 GB per hour or
>> about 64
>> Gb per day. over the course of a month, that is: 1.944 Tb. now, so
>> far as I
>> know, no one leaves their TV on live stream 24/7 for 30 days.
>>
>> so, given normal usage patterns (tv watching of about 20 hours per
>> week), plus web browsing and email, etc, 1 TB would be max typical
>> for a
>> standard residential circuit.
>>
>> now, I do have a room mate who falls asleep with the tv str

Re: Cox Gigablast

[Michael Butash]

Ah, that's an interesting conundrum, haven't had to setup a website in a
good while since I let lapse my digitalocean instance, wasn't so much an
issue there.

Guess there's always reverse proxies for that if a necessity.  It was just
easier to put stuff like that out on a cheap instance somewhere I used
occasionally than fight cox anyways.

-mb

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> the only thing I care about for HTTP at all is my Synology letsencypt cert
> call requires 80, and only 80.
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Michael Butash 
> wrote:
>
>> Agreed here about just doing https, I've just always used straight
>> ipsec/openvpn, or later a https sslvpn to connect home to things when
>> allowed.  Never really had a need otherwise to host 80 or smtp, and back
>> then they even blocked 443.  At some point later they stopped filtering
>> https (think Partington mentioned this - thanks again!), which made life
>> easier at least to present some form of web externally, so long as your
>> users were smart enough to put https:// first, or use a redirect service
>> in front as mentioned.
>>
>> Past few years, I use https://www.zerotier.com for connecting all my
>> hosts vs. traditional vpn to connect behind firewalls/filters, which gives
>> me always on vpn between any of my hosts that run the client and join my
>> SDN network there.  Runs on pretty much everything, including my various
>> pi/arm linux systems, android, whatever really, and give you 100 clients
>> for free.  This gives me essentially a layer 2 network between all my
>> hosts, minus multicast propagation (damn mdns address restrictions).
>>
>> I love this service, and recently noticed they have a hardware offering
>> on kickstarter even.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Stephen Partington > > wrote:
>>
>>> My solution is to run everything on https with a lets encrypt cert and a
>>> port 80 to 443 redirect via my Domain registrar.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:30 PM, der.hans  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 19. Nov, 2017 schwätzte kelly stephenson so:
>>>>
>>>> moin moin,
>>>>
>>>> Cox blocks incoming port 80 requests, what is your plan to get around
>>>>> this
>>>>> for your web site you plan on hosting?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cox residential blocks ports. I have gotten around it for years by not
>>>> using Cox residential :).
>>>>
>>>> Most of the time I've used Cox business, which will allow all ports. You
>>>> might have to request 80 and 25 get unblocked.
>>>>
>>>> I have also used Century Link residential, which will also allow all
>>>> ports. You will have to specifically request unblocking for port 25.
>>>>
>>>> Both will let you know if they're getting complaints about your web or
>>>> SMTP services.
>>>>
>>>> Both give you a static IP and the option to rent out a block. You'll
>>>> have
>>>> to contact them to request RR records.
>>>>
>>>> In my experience, Cox doesn't understand the concept of a static IP. I
>>>> have had 3 yanked out from me with at most a couple days notice. One was
>>>> zero notice because they didn't notice my IP was in use. That was years
>>>> ago, but I was obviously massively underimpressed with Cox customer
>>>> service.
>>>>
>>>> ciao,
>>>>
>>>> der.hans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 19, 2017 7:01 PM, "Eric Oyen"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> oh joy! they would make you have to adapt to a new technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -eric
>>>>>> from the central offices of the Technomage Guild, You can't get there
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> here Dept.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017, at 6:59 PM, Stephen Partington wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am looking at a node.js nginx build because my current hosting
>>>>>> company
>>>>>> won't support node.js without a Vps and I cannot wrap my head around
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Google cloud app engine yet for posting node.js yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017 6:50 PM, "Eric Oyen"  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yep. :)
>>

Re: Anyone here run their own email server for personal use?

[Michael Butash]

Years ago I spawned an iredmail install that made a fully
smtp/pop/imap/webmail/webdav/calendar setup that I've never been able to
get quite fully working manually assembling each myself over the years.
Mail is simply a pain, iredmail made it less so.

Years later, I pay for a gapps domain from google for myself, money well
spent not do deal with ^^^.

I like having a shell around I can bop into and test things from on "the
internet", so it's handy.  I'm doing AWS training, probably going to fire
up some instances there to play with next.

-mb

On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Andrew McRobb 
wrote:

> Hello, everyone!
>
> I was thinking of running my own email server for personal use and maybe a
> PBX system using FreeSwitch (also to avoid spam phone calls) in my
> min-farm. Google surprisingly bad at detecting spam, and I know I could
> maybe throw together a simple SMTP setup perhaps using something already
> made or throw something together in Erlang. -- Just like the ability to
> control every aspect of the server, IMHO. Anyone have experience in this
> department, that could give me any tips?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew
>
>
> Andrew McRobb
> Full-time Software Developer
> Part-time Freelancer
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Re: smartphone question

[Michael Butash]

There are companies like Cellbrite that make units to do this, usually with
a one-button auto-takeover for cops to dump everything out of the flash and
memory, at least toward most android devices.  Apple's have actually become
difficult to do this with, though the higher the profile crime, such as the
San Bernardino shooting, someone out there always has weaponized exploits
to accomplish this for said Nation-State actors with unlimited budgets,
much like our FBI then.

Depends what it is worth to you for an easy button, or as mentioned finding
more published methods to accomplish it.  You can always search ebay for
used cellbrite units to pop up on there, I was watching for one for grins a
few years ago, but didn't see them often, often very expensive when so, and
removed the search.

If you have a 3d printer, you can always try this too..

https://hackaday.com/2017/12/15/brute-forcing-passwords-with-a-3d-printer/

-mb

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Herminio Hernandez, Jr. <
herminio.hernande...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know a reliable service for smartphone forensics?
>
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Re: BTLE tags

[Michael Butash]

I've played some with the BLE RTLS tags from Kontact.io and others, and
find them all to be finicky around their solutions.  It didn't seem like
there was anything in the open realm when I last looked around 9mo ago,
they were all very bound to their vendor and solutions, from setup to
capabilities, even the cheap chinese clones on ebay.

We do managed security for various industries, including hospitals and
like, so we partnered with a vendor for a pretty cool wireless and BLE
location solution from a company called Mist Systems ,
which works with the ble tracking devices with an array of 9 directional
bluetooth radios (plus wifi!), and I bought essentially an assortment of
ble tags and beacons as a poc here.  I can't say any of the beacons seem to
work well themselves, and their setup apps are all quirky and/or just
broken (at least under android).  Kontact was the best, but their beacons
are HUGE.  I couldn't imagine doing these at large scale really with the
state of the tech today, but the mist ap's can do some cool things if the
rest of the industry could get it together.

I'd be curious to know what others are doing in this space, I sort of
shelved it after the customer lost interest and I found all the devices
annoying to deal with.  We have the Mist AP's deployed at our office that
can do some interesting things with the BLE device data, contact me offline
if interested in testing some of the features with the tech.

-mb

On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Ed  wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 10:09 AM, David Schwartz
>  wrote:
> > There are several companies that make these little BTLE “tags” that can
> be
> > used for proximity detection.
> >
> > Some are passive (unpowered) and some are more active and require power.
> >
> > TrackR Bravo has small quarter-sized devices that are only as large as
> they
> > are because of the battery in them. They last for a year.
> >
> > EveryKey has little rectangular devices that have LiPo batteries in them
> > that need to be recharged weekly.
> >
> > The interesting thing is that from a functional standpoint, they’re
> pretty
> > much both doing the same thing.
> >
> > The difference is in the applications.
> >
> > TrackR’s business model is this: stick our tags on your stuff and you’ll
> be
> > able to find them esily if you lose any of them.
> >
> > EveryKey’s business model is similar: stick one of our tags on yourself
> and
> > you’ll be able to automatically log into any of your devices when you get
> > within range of them.
> >
> > Both are dependent on people running their app for their model to work.
> > TrackR’s model requires the world to be using their app, but EveryKey’s
> only
> > requires the equipment owner to be using their app.
> >
> > They’re the same proximity mechanisms at work, but opposite approaches
> that
> > lead to different use cases.
> >
> > They could probably be done with passive tags as well.
> >
> > These are both closed models — you have to use their software with their
> > devices. If you want to be able to, say, login to another app using
> > EveryKey, you need to wait for them to build that in.
> >
> > Are there any open-source tools or libraries where people are building
> > similar types of apps that work with any number of different types of
> tags?
> >
> > -David Schwartz
> >
>
>
> David - all Bluetooth low energy tokens need power (radio), and
> today's industrial models are good for 5 years - there are many
> manufacturers and infrastructure services, like https://kontakt.io.
> They break down into two camps, Apple and Google. Apple is of coursed
> behind their garden wall, Google's Eddystone is free to use but also
> geared to tie into Android and Google analytics - but you can roll
> your own, or go with alt integrators like Kontakt. see also
> https://google.github.io/physical-web/
>
> There is an open source frontend (originated from Kontakt) is
> essentially abandonware and may not have made the BLE4 to BLE5
> transition earlier this year. There are many libraries and they are
> free, also vendor libs (Nordic) - the BLE usb scanner fob from
> Adafruit was only windows for anything but raw capture. There may be a
> Wireshark plugin in the works - I haven't looked recently - updates
> appreciated.
>
> I've found BLE hard to work with (firmware updates) as there are many
> sources of interference for an essentially weak signal, like usb3
> ports and wifi.  Great excuse for that Faraday room we've all been
> planning.
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Re: BTLE tags

[Michael Butash]

I really don't know those solutions, but I know the bar is pretty damn low
to beat currently for what I have tried the past year.

Kontact.io beacons had the best apps and setup, ie. it actually worked
unlike Bluvision and other various chinese white-box solutions that either
their apps were janky, or simply didn't work (probably infecting my phone
at the same time).

None of the iBeacon or Eddystone tech seems usable in phones, or rather is
simply already abandonware, so not sure the point.  RTLS tracking solutions
still seem simply beyond our state of technology and cost.

-mb

On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 5:36 PM, David Schwartz 
wrote:

> So you’re suggesting that the solutions from TrackR and EveryKey might
> actually be more robust solutions than other off-the-shelf stuff?
>
> -David Schwartz
>
>
>
> On Dec 26, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Michael Butash  wrote:
>
> I've played some with the BLE RTLS tags from Kontact.io
> <https://u2206659.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=0rvXUvFWJn-2BIPAYpSpvhNV3t89xLim65ekhV9KpLmqg-3D_6lpMB7VLnN-2Fj9-2FEErg8-2F-2BMBpb5QxlByTgv2M3fbWD9ebvC-2BWrN3h7jImK8EVWYBeFZ86ht9cfw8qhsSpVPORD0LQGCdQliXbtSMf0-2BxPHuYZiYeY8nstRmuWv8kvMRaIqfeitC6e1MRCtLTh-2BECLwkPKd-2FBFaMtGlQUQtzKqMGXUv7pQSwkwYCF-2FvhghhFrIfRydQZ3o4FHG87gQBImJ-2FuIVCtXQ-2BgSxHJ0M6uwrFRc-3D>
> and others, and find them all to be finicky around their solutions.  It
> didn't seem like there was anything in the open realm when I last looked
> around 9mo ago, they were all very bound to their vendor and solutions,
> from setup to capabilities, even the cheap chinese clones on ebay.
>
> We do managed security for various industries, including hospitals and
> like, so we partnered with a vendor for a pretty cool wireless and BLE
> location solution from a company called Mist Systems
> <https://u2206659.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=3cK2FVJjyu2N-2Bxco034fZjlsw0EhIkRbmS-2Feinng5x8-3D_6lpMB7VLnN-2Fj9-2FEErg8-2F-2BMBpb5QxlByTgv2M3fbWD9ebvC-2BWrN3h7jImK8EVWYBeFZ86ht9cfw8qhsSpVPORDxHODGyWv-2FFiHSBWUvo-2FzYVQ6BMitNFNHxrIEUE3vPXM8pUqjAIFbK4i0dd8Cg0f8-2FMUkmiXEyRlddIbg2N7cBG10rsh9MGD7OqRc1rGkYoio2K1klSROs5gNbpD7m4SVs5vGRhlPH86uHYvCw9fhEo-3D>,
> which works with the ble tracking devices with an array of 9 directional
> bluetooth radios (plus wifi!), and I bought essentially an assortment of
> ble tags and beacons as a poc here.  I can't say any of the beacons seem to
> work well themselves, and their setup apps are all quirky and/or just
> broken (at least under android).  Kontact was the best, but their beacons
> are HUGE.  I couldn't imagine doing these at large scale really with the
> state of the tech today, but the mist ap's can do some cool things if the
> rest of the industry could get it together.
>
> I'd be curious to know what others are doing in this space, I sort of
> shelved it after the customer lost interest and I found all the devices
> annoying to deal with.  We have the Mist AP's deployed at our office that
> can do some interesting things with the BLE device data, contact me offline
> if interested in testing some of the features with the tech.
>
> -mb
>
>
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Re: Y2K

[Michael Butash]

IBM showing up to charge to fix the problem they created.  Go figure, still
their modus operandi these days in their support and over all existence
model.

-mb

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 10:20 PM, trent shipley 
wrote:

> I remember stories of IBM octogenarians showing up to fix things at Luke
> Air Force Base (heard third hand). Mission critical stuff can REALLY get
> specification stuck.
>
> Trent.
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 9:39 PM Steve Litt 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 06:54:17 -0500
>> Matthew Crews  wrote:
>>
>> > Man, Y2K seems like at eternity ago. I knew back then that nothing
>> > world-ending was going to happen, but I expected there to be major
>> > hiccups. Thankfully there were only minor hiccups since everyone
>> > worked their butts off on correcting Y2K bugs.
>> >
>> > The year 2038 problem might be a similar result.
>>
>> In my wildest imagination, I can't conceive of a situation in which 32
>> bit computers are still used in 2038. And if there are still 32 bit
>> computers in use, our society probably has much worse problems than a
>> date flipover could ever produce.
>>
>> SteveT
>>
>> Steve Litt
>> December 2017 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times
>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive
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Re: opportunity in chaos

[Michael Butash]

Everyone is looking for managed security services provider solutions, as
they are scared to be blamed themselves when they know their security isn't
up to spec, and want a finger to point at if/when exposed.

Full disclosure, we sell said mssp services, and business is good.

-mb

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 10:52 AM,  wrote:

>
> About 20 years ago my then manager told me "there is opportunity in
> chaos".
>
> Probably too early to ask, however given current events... I wonder what
> the opportunities are in this chaos..?
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Re: Hosted Netflow collector/analyzer

[Michael Butash]

Agree here, I'd fire up ntop for small load clients and myself occasionally
to grab netflow off my home gateway when weird things happen.  You could
always run in a cloud like digitalocean, but don't know of anyone doing
hosted/saas solutions for any netflow tools.  I'm interested in feedback
here too if you find something...

*Good* + affordable netflow tools I find are sorely lacking out there, even
ntop (2.x) is steering netflow to be a cost feature, so you're stuck with
old (and somewhat broken/unstable) ntop 1.x.  There is flowtools and some
others, but any time I looked at them, they required more elbow-grease than
I was willing to commit to for personal use and/or customer implementations.

-mb

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 8:26 PM, Herminio Hernandez, Jr. <
herminio.hernande...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ntop is a great tool of netflow collecting
>
> https://www.ntop.org/
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 7:57 PM, Steve B  wrote:
>
>> Are there any Mikrotik users on the list? I'm interested in gaining some
>> additional info about my network traffic and am looking for a Netflow
>> collector/analyzer SaaS. Polygraph.io was mentioned at a previous MUM and
>> they are both Mikrotik friendly and have a very intuitive UI. However, they
>> don't accept residential/enthusiast clients.
>>
>> Is anyone here on the list familiar with a company that offers this type
>> of service for non-commercial businesses or for the SOHO market?
>>
>>
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Re: Computer Freezes When Waking Up [Linux Mint 18.3]

[Michael Butash]

Sounds like an acpi bug in the bios, or kernel toward your bios - see if
there's an update for it.  Anytime I've had suspend issues, it's almost
always a bios thing, particularly in Dell, or or kernel folks begrudgingly
write an exception to deal with popular, crappy hardware.

This issue single-handed holds back linux in general on laptop hardware as
every laptop is different, where the vendors usually write crappy windoze
code and drivers to work around their poor, non-standard bios'.

If you're using grub/legacy bios, might try EFI if it supports it.  Not
sure how much will follow through and plague you, but might prove better,
or at least more standard these days.  Dell is at least one that actually
*does* consider linux vs. the lenovo, toshiba, and hp's that still pretend
no one uses linux desktops.

-mb

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Andrew McRobb 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I recently upgraded my kernel to ver *4.13.0-26*, and updated my Intel
> Microcode for the latest security fixes (*3.20180108.0~ubuntu16.04.2*) w/
> some other updates revolving my Mint installation. It started happening
> once after everything was upgraded. All my software seems to be working
> fine after the updates. Virtualbox, Docker, FireFox, etc... For whatever
> reason when my machine goes to sleep, and I attempt to wake it up. It
> literally freezes on a frame of my applications reappearing (fadded) w/ the
> desktop wallpaper behind them.
>
> Has anyone had anything like this happen to them? -- I disabled the power
> saving option to avoid this at the moment.
>
> *Specs*
> *Linux Mint:* 18.3 64x
> *uname -a:* Linux andrew-desktop 4.13.0-26-generic #29~16.04.2-Ubuntu SMP
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Re: Computer Freezes When Waking Up [Linux Mint 18.3]

[Michael Butash]

Old days I'd normally say disabling ACPI to force older APM function as a
*solution*, but I think doing so you'll loose a lot of power management
features the kernel needs these days probably expects for modern hardware
to keep it sustainable for use.  I can see power usage being a problem
without s-states and such (gpu switching, dynamic cpu throttling) long term
when your battery only lasts a half hour.

I've been fighting this some with my dell laptop trying to use a
thunderbolt/usb-c dock, trying to find a perfect "working" combo of crappy
dell bios firmware vs. dock firmware vs. kernel vs. kernel microcode vs.
gpu driver vs. crappy usb ethernet in the dock that none want to play
nicely with each other from release to release.  Dell fixes bios/dock
firmware, kernel fixes something, breaks one of the others, gpu is
dependent on older kernels and break things with newer, mutate pattern for
next bios/firmware release, round and round...

Needless to say, I just wish they'd figure this out after 20 fscking years
of laptop atrocities in power management from like, every vendor,
constantly.  This doesn't seem it should be that hard.

-mb

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wrote:

> Sorry for the delay. Haven't had time to sit down even... Anyway, seems
> like they just pushed up some updates to the kernel and microcode. -- I'll
> apply the updates now and post back, I've also noticed some other minor
> things got borked now and then. Such as terminal not wanting to open (rare
> times), and my Slack client unable to start anymore. -- I suppose that's
> what I get for not waiting till the end of the month to apply updates. -___-
>
> My computer isn't using legacy, and is custom built. So ACPI may sound
> like the problem w/ the newer kernal. Worst case I'll see if disabling it
> would solve my problem.
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> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Michael Butash 
> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like an acpi bug in the bios, or kernel toward your bios - see if
>> there's an update for it.  Anytime I've had suspend issues, it's almost
>> always a bios thing, particularly in Dell, or or kernel folks begrudgingly
>> write an exception to deal with popular, crappy hardware.
>>
>> This issue single-handed holds back linux in general on laptop hardware
>> as every laptop is different, where the vendors usually write crappy
>> windoze code and drivers to work around their poor, non-standard bios'.
>>
>> If you're using grub/legacy bios, might try EFI if it supports it.  Not
>> sure how much will follow through and plague you, but might prove better,
>> or at least more standard these days.  Dell is at least one that actually
>> *does* consider linux vs. the lenovo, toshiba, and hp's that still pretend
>> no one uses linux desktops.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Andrew McRobb 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I recently upgraded my kernel to ver *4.13.0-26*, and updated my Intel
>>> Microcode for the latest security fixes (*3.20180108.0~ubuntu16.04.2*)
>>> w/ some other updates revolving my Mint installation. It started happening
>>> once after everything was upgraded. All my software seems to be working
>>> fine after the updates. Virtualbox, Docker, FireFox, etc... For whatever
>>> reason when my machine goes to sleep, and I attempt to wake it up. It
>>> literally freezes on a frame of my applications reappearing (fadded) w/ the
>>> desktop wallpaper behind them.
>>>
>>> Has anyone had anything like this happen to them? -- I disabled the
>>> power saving option to avoid this at the moment.
>>>
>>> *Specs*
>>> *Linux Mint:* 18.3 64x
>>> *uname -a:* Linux andrew-desktop 4.13.0-26-generic #29~16.04.2-Ubuntu
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Re: OT: Burger King Trolled Customers to Perfectly Explain Net Neutrality

[Michael Butash]

Interesting part to the whole net neutrality thing, companies are already
working around the system regardless.

Cox for instance provide local connections directly or to a service to
other companies that peer to Netflix, Youtube, Amazon, Hulu, and other
bandwidth hogs, so they dump your traffic out to them over n x 100gb
connections locally already to save the whole queuing problems vs. sending
you to Internet via LA as normal.  It doesn't mean Cox won't continue to
raise your internet rate as cable subscriptions fall off, but orgs like
netflix and google are already fairly insulated in the matter with
solutions in place.

Your worst-case scenario is Comcast or other ill-intentioned MSP buys Cox,
and imposes their established limitations.  Their customers are already
beaten down for 10 years of metered internet, and they're far worse than
ours here.  Cox already uses (rebranded) Comcast Xfiniti as their entire
new video platform, so why not.

I miss the old Cox that used to run Usenet alt.binary warez feeds.

-mb

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 1:15 PM, der.hans  wrote:

> Am 24. Jan, 2018 schwätzte Eric Cope so:
>
> moin moin Eric,
>
> we're choosing between "I paid for Internet access" and "Only if we decide
> you can have it."
>
> Netflix gets a bad rap for using lots of bandwidth. That's crap.
>
> Netflix uses zero bandwidth. Netflix customers use the bandwidth and they
> are paying their ISPs to get it.
>
> I'm paying for whole Internet access, not just "Only if we decide you can
> have it" Internet access.
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
>
> I think this is a great example of why net nuetrality is so bad.
>>
>> We aren't choosing from "the fast lane for everybody" vs "the slow lane
>> for
>> everybody and the fast lane for those who pay".
>> We are choosing between "the slow lane for everybody" vs "the slow lane
>> for
>> everybody and the fast lane for those who pay".
>>
>> The former is how you drive innovation. You let those who an afford the
>> luxury buy it, and as it matures, its finds its way into regular
>> consumer's
>> hands.
>>
>> Let the flaming begin.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:04 PM, AZ Pete  wrote:
>>
>> Thought I'd share this with the group. If anyone has friends/relatives
>>> that don't understand net neutrality have them watch this youTube video.
>>>
>>> I think it explains it perfectly for the layman.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>  Forwarded Message 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Burger King Trolled Customers to Perfectly Explain Net Neutrality
>>>
>>> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/a3nmze/burger-kin
>>> g-net-neutrality-ad
>>>
>>> [VIDEO]: https://youtu.be/ltzy5vRmN8Q
>>>
>>> Burger King created a "fast lane" for Whoppers in the
>>> commercial, which allowed customers who paid more to get their
>>> burger faster.  Without the net neutrality rules that the
>>> Federal Communications Commission repealed last year, internet
>>> companies could charge customers more for faster access to
>>> certain online content, just like the Whopper fast lane. They
>>> could prioritize some content over others (chicken sandwiches
>>> over Whoppers, for example) and throttle service on content
>>> for some users (very, very slowly handing over the bag).
>>> Look, I'm not one to gush over brands, and at the end of the
>>> day Burger King's goal is to appeal to woke millennials so it
>>> can sell more burgers. But it created a really useful PSA in
>>> the process, which also points viewers to an online petition
>>> where they can protest the change in the law.  Oh, and in case
>>> you missed it, there's even a dig at FCC Chair Ajit Pai at the
>>> end.
>>>
>>>  - - -
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: KeePass2 versus KeePassX

[Michael Butash]

I tried to use keepass for a while, but it was buggy, particularly the mono
vermin.  I learned what mono was, and why to hate it.  If you have more
than one monitor, you learn it's utterly stupid when it comes to
screen/context awareness in linux.

I used keepassx, for a while it was good.  I had issues nfs mounting and
sharing the file, which I took to synchronizing a file as the only sane
approach, but I began to treat everything as a revision, which in itself
was problematic.  After a while too many updates across disparate systems
became too much.

Then I went for lastpass years ago, but since citrix bought them, I have
issues with them as a company and their security.  They suck as a company,
another "too big to fail" imho, and I anger the fact they bought the
company I like.  I feel I need to divest.

I'm interested in a something that can be multi-master authoritative for
passwords, cloud-based makes sense as a travel, but otherwise presents
challenges for security, who is really authoritative, and other.

I lean toward standing up a cloud service, or at least storage to do it.
Something NOT commercial utterly goddamn preferable.

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Re: Unrecognized Monitor

[Michael Butash]

It looks like the monitor simply isn't responding with the right
resolutions, like it doesn't actually do 1080p, or it would report it in
the xrandr -q.  I've run into this with old tv's and such that were
finicky, like crappy off-brand chinese tv's (ahem), and simply found
fighting them wasn't worth it to make work when usually a customer or
friends house to show something off.

If it doesn't report 1080p, it usually won't do 1080p.  Check your cable
too, I've just dealt with issues like this under windoze connected to our
noc displays.  Those were 75ft hdmi, but they wouldn't report right
resolutions until we replaced with higher-quality, shorter cables.  Yours
might just be toast.

You can get things like edid ghosters to override those sorts of things,
but it's usually dealing with some exotic hardware you're doing it.
Otherwise throw away the cable/tv, or put it in the kids room somewhere,
and get hardware that works right.

-mb

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:08 PM, Victor Odhner  wrote:

> I'm trying to bring an unknown monitor up to full resolution.
> It's a Visio E241-A1 (TV set), claiming 1920x1080.
> I’m running Linux Mint 18.3 Sylvia, with Mate.
> The computer (a new desktop) also drives an HDMI cable to a projector, but
> that’s turned off right now.
>
> I used --newmode with xrandr and it seemed to accept that,
> but then the --addmode said it didn’t know the new mode:
>
> xrandr: cannot find mode 1920x1080_60.00
>
> Details below.
> *So, is there a way to make this work?*
>
> *The Details:*
>
> xrandr: cannot find mode 1920x1080_60.00
>
> Here's the advice I've been working for:
>
> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/227876/how-to-
> set-custom-resolution-using-xrandr-when-the-resolution-is-not-available-i
>
> Original source: https://gist.github.com/debloper/2793261
>
> vodhner@MusicTeam ~ $ xrandr -q
> Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1024 x 768, maximum 32767 x 32767
> DP1 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm
> x 0mm
>1024x768  60.00*
>800x600   60.3256.25
>848x480   60.00
>640x480   59.94
> HDMI1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
> HDMI2 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
> HDMI3 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
> VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis
>
> vodhner@MusicTeam ~ $ gtf 1020 1080 60
>
>   # 1024x1080 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 67.08 kHz; pclk: 92.30 MHz
>   Modeline "1024x1080_60.00"  92.30  1024 1088 1200 1376  1080 1081 1084
> 1118  -HSync +Vsync
>
> vodhner@MusicTeam ~ $ xrandr --newmode "1024x1080_60.00"  92.30  1024
> 1088 1200 1376  1080 1081 1084 1118  -HSync +Vsync
>
> vodhner@MusicTeam ~ $ xrandr --addmode DP1 "1920x1080_60.00"
> xrandr: cannot find mode "1920x1080_60.00"
>
> vodhner@MusicTeam ~ $ xrandr --output DP1 --mode "1920x1080_60.00"
> xrandr: cannot find mode 1920x1080_60.00
> vodhner@MusicTeam ~ $
>
> Thanks,
>
> Victor
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Re: Clementine music player, or something better?

[Michael Butash]

I'm using Rhythmbox, and never had it lock on me.  If I did, it's usually a
sound device handling issue, but that's more a pulse issue than it.  That's
been a long while.

I started using Banshee, which is imho a better clone of Rhythmbox, but far
more buggy.  It does some nicer things like showing you band wiki's, but
otherwise I tend to like the UI better in general, when it works.  Why I'm
using Rhythmbox again currently...

I don't really do "playlists", I just have a filer subdirectory of various
sorted formats of music, and these do a good job of indexing and searching
based on whatever id3 tag data.  If rhythmbox is being weird, try banshee.
If Banshee is weird, try rhythmbox.  If both are being weird, try vlc.

Another option I've used you might consider is my logitech media server
 as my catalog and
player on my filer, that I use with various squeeze player setups around my
house already with a squeeze client receiver on my desktop too making it an
endpoint to play out to.  It's normally meant as a home room audio
distribution ala sonos and various commercial setups, but open, and uses
either compatible hardware or software players with a nice web UI or tons
of phone apps available for control you might like.

You can install the receiver client (server too even) on your desktop, and
use a browser to play playlists from a webpage or phone app playlists or an
indexed catalog.  This comes with the benefit you can duplicate/sync your
music in other rooms, or the whole house where you have players connected
to your network.  My pioneer living room receiver with ethernet shows up as
an endpoint to play music to even in the lms server (volume control even!),
otherwise I have a bunch of obsolete android phones with a squeeze client

around my house powering various speakers in rooms that do audio, or some
raspberry pi's, but a desktop receiver client works on linux and I presume
windoze too.

It has good playlist support to trigger across any number of linked
receivers if you use them I hear (my buddy is a reformed apple person
duplicated my setup, but does playlists).

HTH!

-mb



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> I’m using Clementine to keep playlists, playing songs one at a time.
>
> (I have migrated from my Mac Mini because it’s vintage 2009, out of
> support. I looked for a newer Mac Mini but the newest model is five years
> old. I went to Linux because I don’t trust Apple or Microsoft not to jerk
> us around, and I want to have a pretty stable 10-year solution. Of course
> it was cheaper too, but that wasn’t the main issue.
>
> *What I want:* When running an event, we step through all of the songs in
> a single playlist. Songs are played in order, stopping after each one.
>
> *What I *don’t* need in a music player* is what seem to be the most
> popular features:
>   Ability to play a whole playlist as a unit, or at random;
>   Access to download from music sources; and,
>   Flashy graphics, or album and performer information.
>
> *Clementine is very popular and has behaved consistently for me. *It
> lacks *any* real documentation except lots of discussions, mostly about
> features that aren’t important to me. There’s one “full discussion” that
> should be part of the installation but I don’t see it. I’ll keep digging
> through these conversations.
>
> *Does anyone know of a player that is (a) very stable [like Clementine],
> and (b) documented ?*
>
> *I tried Rhythmbox,* but it kept freezing on me. Apparently that’s a
> known problem.
> Rhythmbox apparently has no way to stop after a song if other songs are
> inline, so that was another deal-breaker.
> But I can thank Rhythmbox for leading me to an iTunes playlist converter.
> No other music players seem ready to import playlist data. Rhythmbox
> imported it initially but I had to bail due to freezes. But I still have
> that conversion file, and was able to produce a nice text file that we can
> search for history. (Newer versions of iTunes *do not produce* XML
> conversion data, but mine was a little older so the file was there.)
>
> *Current problems I’m working with Clementine are:*
>
> *It says X-ing a tab for a saved playlist will delete the playlist because
> it’s not a “Favorite,” but doesn’t tell us how to make it a favorite.*
> The red heart at the bottom doesn’t do it. These are saved files. Our first
> attempt saved a playlist that we can hide without deleting, even though I
> see no indicator that it is a “favorite,” but the next two are “not a
> favorite”. I’ll continue to read all discussions I can find.
>
> *We can only mark one song at a time to stop at the end.* Once it stops
> after a song, that flag is removed. So their whole concept of a playlist is
> start it and it plays through. I’d like to mark a whole playlist to stop at
> the end of a song. This problem is liveable.
>
> Th

Re: laptop

[Michael Butash]

I second dell, this one in particular as it was my daily driver for work
for a good 3-4 years.  It recently got replaced with an xps15.

-mb

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:08 PM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> For example.
>
> 2017 Dell Latitude E7240 Flagship Business Laptop, 12.5” Full HD
> Touchscreen, Intel Core i7-4600U, 8GB DDR3L RAM, 512GB SSD, Webcam, Windows
> 10 Professional (Certified Refurbished) https://www.amazon.com/dp/
> B076HF6BQ1/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_E8DUAb6778S0R
>
> This device will run Linux beautifully. And it's pretty easy to work on to
> bump ram.
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 10:57 PM Stephen Partington 
> wrote:
>
>> Amazon refurbished or even Costco are Weirdly good finds.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 10:56 PM Herminio Hernandez Jr. <
>> herminio.hernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ThinkPads run Linux great. You can find some on Craigslist for decent
>>> prices.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 6:34 PM, Andrew McRobb 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thinkpads I hear run Linux very well.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 6:14 PM kevin  wrote:
>>>
 I have a run of the mill i5 based HP we purchased at Costgo for under
 $500.  Runs Archlinux just fine.  Completely took the Windows off it.

 Kevin



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  Original message 
 From: Michael 
 Date: 3/26/18 7:10 PM (GMT-07:00)
 To: PLUG 
 Subject: laptop

 which laptop runs linux well? I can not afford a 800 dollar system 76
 computer. i am willing to spend 5-600 dollars. preferably less. i just need
 to be able to run darktable and video editing software.

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Re: laptop

[Michael Butash]

The one Stephen mentioned, the 2017 Dell Latitude E7240 Flagship Business
Laptop.

-mb

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 4:57 AM, Michael  wrote:

> which one Michael?
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 1:15 AM, Michael Butash 
> wrote:
>
>> I second dell, this one in particular as it was my daily driver for work
>> for a good 3-4 years.  It recently got replaced with an xps15.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:08 PM, Stephen Partington <
>> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> For example.
>>>
>>> 2017 Dell Latitude E7240 Flagship Business Laptop, 12.5” Full HD
>>> Touchscreen, Intel Core i7-4600U, 8GB DDR3L RAM, 512GB SSD, Webcam, Windows
>>> 10 Professional (Certified Refurbished) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076
>>> HF6BQ1/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_E8DUAb6778S0R
>>>
>>> This device will run Linux beautifully. And it's pretty easy to work on
>>> to bump ram.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 10:57 PM Stephen Partington 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Amazon refurbished or even Costco are Weirdly good finds.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 10:56 PM Herminio Hernandez Jr. <
>>>> herminio.hernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ThinkPads run Linux great. You can find some on Craigslist for decent
>>>>> prices.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 6:34 PM, Andrew McRobb 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thinkpads I hear run Linux very well.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 6:14 PM kevin  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a run of the mill i5 based HP we purchased at Costgo for under
>>>>>> $500.  Runs Archlinux just fine.  Completely took the Windows off it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>>> From: Michael 
>>>>>> Date: 3/26/18 7:10 PM (GMT-07:00)
>>>>>> To: PLUG 
>>>>>> Subject: laptop
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which laptop runs linux well? I can not afford a 800 dollar system 76
>>>>>> computer. i am willing to spend 5-600 dollars. preferably less. i just 
>>>>>> need
>>>>>> to be able to run darktable and video editing software.
>>>>>>
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Re: 20180417 CSAA AZ IT Job postings

[Michael Butash]

One of my shorter tenures around town was csaa, moving on/running away
pretty quick order circa 2010.  Weird place to work, caveat emptor, most
same folk collect there still, smart usually move on shortly.  Their money
is green however and spends like most, know some with golden handcuffs
there still.

-mb

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 7:05 PM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> dang it. why Glendale :-P
>
> A couple of those look fun.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Ed  wrote:
>
>> Hi PLUG
>>
>> If interested drop me a line or these should be findable on LinkedIn –
>> always looking for good IT talent. Our location is (or soon will be)
>> 53rd & Bell in Glendale, AZ.
>>
>> Service Transition Analyst lll
>> Glendale, Arizona   |   R2549   |   Posted 4 Days Ago
>>
>> Major Incident Manager
>> Glendale, Arizona   |   R2554   |   Posted 8 Days Ago
>>
>> SERVICENOW ARCHITECT/MANAGER
>> Glendale, Arizona   |   R2531   |   Posted 15 Days Ago
>>
>> IT Data Analyst
>> Glendale, Arizona   |   R2402   |   Posted 15 Days Ago
>>
>> Lead Digital Hub Solutions Architect
>> Glendale, Arizona   |   R2503   |   Posted 20 Days Ago
>>
>> IT Service Coordinator I
>> Glendale, Arizona   |   R2447   |   Posted 30+ Days Ago
>>
>> VMware/Cisco UCS Infrastructure Engineer
>> Glendale, Arizona   |   R2351   |   Posted 30+ Days Ago
>>
>> Application Developer for Innovation & Engineering
>> Glendale, Arizona   |   R1351   |   Posted 30+ Days Ago
>>
>> Solution Architect
>> Glendale, Arizona   |   R2083   |   Posted 30+ Days Ago
>>
>> Big Data-Hadoop Administrator
>> Glendale, Arizona   |   R2142   |   Posted 30+ Days Ago
>>
>> Guidewire Application Developer
>> Glendale, Arizona   |   R2231   |   Posted 30+ Days Ago
>>
>>
>> Thanks & Regards,
>>
>> Ed Nicholson
>>
>> IT Applications, Claims Technology Solutions
>>
>> CSAA Insurance Group, a AAA Insurer
>> e-mail:  Ed.Nicholson # csaa.com
>>
>> 100 years of insurance the AAA way
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Local Cox Business Broken Internet

[Michael Butash]

Hi all,

Working with a customer today, I noticed today an odd issue with cox, where
business customers that use the local phoenix egress path out Level 3 have
been impacted to some extent at least today, and not sure how much longer.
Sadly I got a ticket opened on the issue as the only person to notice
inside or outside, and they found a much bigger issue, but they're still
working on it supposedly.

Just a heads up, ask for some credit as their local internet peering is
having severe packet loss.  ;)

mtr --report 204.93.49.54
Start: 2018-04-19T15:05:36-0700
HOST: hostLoss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
  1.|-- _gateway   0.0%100.3   0.4   0.3   0.7   0.1
  2.|-- ???   100.0100.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0
  3.|-- 100.127.76.8   0.0%109.0  11.2   9.0  21.9   3.9
  4.|-- 100.120.100.24 0.0%10   12.6  20.5   9.4  79.4  21.3
  5.|-- lag-194.bear1.Phoenix1.Le 50.0%10   17.6  12.8   9.9  17.6   2.9
  6.|-- ???   100.0100.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0
  7.|-- GTT-level3-2x10G.LosAngel  0.0%10   29.1  30.6  25.5  34.7   2.6
  8.|-- ???   100.0100.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0

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Re: ChromeBook Growing up

[Michael Butash]

That is actually really cool to see/hear.  I've liked their hardware, but a
"web-based os" is pretty absurd to me as trying to do the job of an
engineer on an tablet or phone.  I could, but geez, why?  Growing up with
PC/Laptops, Chromebooks always struck me the drivel, but I've tried
everything for years to run android apps under linux as the final killer
app, and simply nothing works.  I could tolerate the stupid webapp thing in
the background if I can apt install nmap, wireshark, libreoffice, and other
tools I use under linux on a chromebook, I think...

-mb

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 11:02 AM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> So it appears that google is building up their ChromeOS again and adding
> apt-get/apt so you can install full fledged Linux applications.
>
> This kind of makes a Chromebook a hugely useful device for me.
>
> https://www.cnet.com/news/googles-chrome-os-and-chromebooks-get-new-app-
> muscle-with-built-in-linux/
>
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Re: Ubuntu Mac XP compatible laser printer

[Michael Butash]

I can't say I'm a fan of Brother devices, they always still seem to
infuriate me and end up pretty useless under a modern linux with my
mfc-9440cn.  Their downloads never work on a recent os, or otherwise end up
causing problems trying to use a bigger hammer than native installers.

If I need to print/scan with my brother mfc, I just do it under my windoze
vm as the only thing that behaves entirely properly, of course.

I'd love to never print anything again as it's smearing colors and such
too, but works at least as a network scanner when needed when using the
windoze driver/app.  Hopefully that pesky paper thing goes away sooner than
later, maybe even save some trees.

-mb

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> Almost anything brother or HP with the network printing protocols.
>
> I think there is a website for this someplace.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 10:59 AM, unixprgrm...@gmail.com <
> unixprgrm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Could someone recommend a laser printer that is compatible with Ubuntu
>> 16.04 Mac OS X and Windows XP?THANK YOU for your help!
>>
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Lynn P. Tilby
>> UNIX Consultant
>> Sierra Unix Consulting LLC
>> Office: 480 632-8633 (preferred)
>> Cell: 480 747-4750
>> unixprgrm...@gmail.com
>>
>> Remember: You are only limited by your IMAGINATION.
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Re: Steam Jumps for New Wine Variant?

[Michael Butash]

I was testing some games last night, tried darksiders 1/2, and gauntlet,
but no bueno.  Oddly one piece pirate warriors 3 worked, with caveats.  I
might look at more of the koei tecmo games like that that worked.

I was playing one piece with the keyboard, which wasn't so cool, didn't
seem to take my joypad, but will try again soon.  Sound tended to be
choppy, video was too, but I was still running around the first level.

I'm really looking forward to this working better!

-mb

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Bob Elzer  wrote:

> Let me know when Battlefield 4 works :-p
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 11:24 AM, Herminio Hernandez, Jr. <
> herminio.hernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am currently testing games some work and some do not. Steam has a
>> whitelist that is growing
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:33 AM Stephen Partington 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/08/valves-steam-play-
>>> uses-vulkan-to-bring-more-windows-games-to-linux/
>>>
>>> This is pretty fascinating in my book... Just that they are building a
>>> Wine / VKd3d fork in tandem...
>>>
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Re: Questionable Google Alerts

[Michael Butash]

Not that sophisticated, they assembled a temp email from your real one to
some random system, and just hope you'll log in with creds to capture.

They probably just harvested your email from one of the many leaks that
occur every other day.

I bought some yubikeys to play with, but so far the biggest problem is me
having the stupid thing around enough to unlock things when needed that I
haven't turned it on fully yet.  I bought two as I worry about some
redundancy if one gets lost/destroyed, need to look into that some too...

-mb

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 4:40 PM, Mark Phillips 
wrote:

> The consensus is still that it is a rather sophisticated scam?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mark
>
> PS I use 2 factor Google authentication with all my accounts.
>
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 1:07 PM, Stephen Partington 
> wrote:
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>> Yubi key. Lastpass authenticatior Google authentication. Two factor
>> authentication is almost a must have now.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018, 9:32 PM Ed  wrote:
>>
>>> That is Phishing
>>> Mark, look into Yubikey as a 2nd factor.[1] it's a two step process,
>>> add your phone to set up second factor and then add Yubikey token as
>>> the preferred 2nd factor. If you use a phone to check on your Google
>>> account, add the Google Authentication as an alternative. (and print
>>> out a sheet of secret keys just for emergencies)
>>> [1]  https://support.yubico.com/support/solutions/articles/15
>>> 06418-using-your-yubikey-with-google
>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 3:17 PM Mark Phillips
>>>  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I keep getting alerts from Google along the lines of
>>> >
>>> > Sign-in attempt was blocked
>>> > mark%phillipsoasis@gtempaccount.com
>>> >
>>> > With a button to "Check Activity". The button takes me to a Google
>>> sign in page for mark%phillipsoasis@gtempaccounts.com asking for my
>>> password. I don't use this address. I do own the domain
>>> phillipsoasis.com and have an email address m...@phillipsoasis.com
>>> >
>>> > Is this a scam/spoof or something real?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks!
>>> >
>>> > Mark
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