Re: localhost

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

the browser shows the error as:
The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few
moments.
If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer’s network
connection.
If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make
sure that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.

I need to specify a port. Cool. That's all I needed to know.


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> Regarding the original question of why the browser is saying "problem with
> address", what is the actual error?  Name resolution, connection, cert, etc
> etc?  Those friendly human readable errors leave too much open to
> interpretation.
>
> On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 11:59 AM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss <
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>
>>
>> The IP address range *127.0.* *0.0 – 127.255.* *255.255* is reserved for
>> loopback, i.e. a Host's self-address, also known as localhost address. This
>> loopback IP address is managed entirely by and within the operating system.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alexander.
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung S20+ 5G
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 9, 2021, 11:58 greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> localhost <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localhost>
>>>
>>> localhost
>>>
>>> The local loopback mechanism may be used to run a network service on a
>>> host without requiring a physical network...
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localhost>
>>>
>>>
>>> you need to specify the port number
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 9, 2021, 02:29:07 PM EDT, Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Are the addresses for localhost 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.1.1 ? That was a
>>> rhetorical question. What isn't rhetorical is why, when I enter either of
>>> those addresses into a browser , do I get a 'problem with address' page?
>>> Are there
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localhost

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Are the addresses for localhost 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.1.1 ? That was a
rhetorical question. What isn't rhetorical is why, when I enter either of
those addresses into a browser , do I get a 'problem with address' page?
Are there
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Offered to help me with gentoo or arch?

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Someone out there in the land of PLUG offered to help me with arch or
gentoo (I don't remember which and deleted that message). If you are still
willing to help I would like to ask some questions.

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compile error

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It isn't really an error.
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86/jmp_buf-ssp.sym >
/mnt/lfs/sources.glibc-2.34/build/jmp_buf-ssp.ht
I don't get it. I had it compiled to section 8 of LFS but now I can't get
it past section 5.5 I get to make install and it gets to a section and it
just keeps repeating itself (it flashes between two screens). I've
recompiled it at least 3 times and get the same error (the repeat). I've
got the terminal full screened and it looks the same with each flash. The
first linein this message is the last line of the screen and it says it is
constantly writing to the same file which right there says something is
wrong. I wonder if it is my computer?
How could I discover if it is? Further; if it is and right now the error is
in the compile how long do you think my puter has left with us?


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Re: fstab line

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never mind. I restArt my machine and it worked. never had that problem
before.

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> What does a fstab line with a label look like?
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fstab line

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What does a fstab line with a label look like?
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Re: processors on system

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lol!
Found it! I do have two cores.:
 cpu cores : 2
COOL.
Thank  you so much for all the help guys.

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> Damn spell check
>
> more /proc/cpuinfo
>
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 10:18 AM Bob Elzer  wrote:
>
>> Run this
>> more /proc/flying
>>
>> Look for the model name and CPU cores
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 10:06 AM Donald Mac McCarthy via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hyper threading often shows up as 2. You may have a single core, dual
>>> thread processor.
>>>
>>> Mac
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Director, Field Operations
>>> +1.602.584.4445 (desk)
>>> +1.602.727.4131 (mobile)
>>>
>>> On Sunday, Sep 12, 2021 at 12:56 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>> I always thought I only had one processor on my system
>>> However, when I ran the command 'grep processor /proc/cpuinfo' the
>>> output was:
>>> processor : 0
>>> processor : 1
>>>
>>> This means I have two processors in there?
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Re: processors on system

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bmike1@bmike1-desktop:~$ more /proc/flying
more: stat of /proc/flying failed: No such file or directory

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> Run this
> more /proc/flying
>
> Look for the model name and CPU cores
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 10:06 AM Donald Mac McCarthy via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Hyper threading often shows up as 2. You may have a single core, dual
>> thread processor.
>>
>> Mac
>>
>> --
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>> +1.602.584.4445 (desk)
>> +1.602.727.4131 (mobile)
>>
>> On Sunday, Sep 12, 2021 at 12:56 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>> I always thought I only had one processor on my system
>> However, when I ran the command 'grep processor /proc/cpuinfo' the output
>> was:
>> processor : 0
>> processor : 1
>>
>> This means I have two processors in there?
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Re: processors on system

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thanks for the quick answer. Does this mean I can compile as if I had two
processors (make -j2)?

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> Hyper threading often shows up as 2. You may have a single core, dual
> thread processor.
>
> Mac
>
> --
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> +1.602.727.4131 (mobile)
>
> On Sunday, Sep 12, 2021 at 12:56 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> I always thought I only had one processor on my system
> However, when I ran the command 'grep processor /proc/cpuinfo' the output
> was:
> processor : 0
> processor : 1
>
> This means I have two processors in there?
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processors on system

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I always thought I only had one processor on my system
However, when I ran the command 'grep processor /proc/cpuinfo' the output
was:
processor : 0
processor : 1

This means I have two processors in there?
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Re: cat >>EOF

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Thanks for the tip!

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 3:07 PM Shaun Anderson 
wrote:

> Your >> should be <<.
>
> You're using redirect operators there.
>
> cat << EOF
>
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2500436/how-does-cat-eof-work-in-bash
>
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 11:47 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
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>> Thanks for the tip!
>> ...
>> Argh. This isn't working!
>> I almost want to go back to Mint!
>> Mounting  oh no the USB drive is trying to mount itself  to the
>> arhiso mount point!
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 2:31 PM Snyder, Alexander J <
>> alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:
>>
>>> Cntrl+C ? Or Z, or X.
>>>
>>> Worst case, unplug it and back away. It'll explode soon.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alexander.
>>>
>>> Sent from my Samsung S20+ 5G
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 11:26 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
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>>>> I typed
>>>>
>>>>cat >>EOF
>>>>
>>>> But when I type EOF it doesn't exit. help?
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Re: cat >>EOF

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Thanks for the tip!
...
Argh. This isn't working!
I almost want to go back to Mint!
Mounting  oh no the USB drive is trying to mount itself  to the
arhiso mount point!

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> Cntrl+C ? Or Z, or X.
>
> Worst case, unplug it and back away. It'll explode soon.
>
> Thanks,
> Alexander.
>
> Sent from my Samsung S20+ 5G
>
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 11:26 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
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>> I typed
>>
>>cat >>EOF
>>
>> But when I type EOF it doesn't exit. help?
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cat >>EOF

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I typed

   cat >>EOF

But when I type EOF it doesn't exit. help?
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Re: vi

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h,  when I go back to look at the file there is nothing in it

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 11:52 AM Michael  wrote:

> thanks guys.  I should have done a web search. Sorry.
>
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>> On 2021-09-10 08:36, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > how does  one save and exit with vi?
>>
>> (escape):wq or (escape)ZZ .  If you're going to try to use vim, you
>> should start by running vimtutor.  That will show you how to use all the
>> basic features of the editor.
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Re: vi

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thanks guys.  I should have done a web search. Sorry.

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> On 2021-09-10 08:36, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > how does  one save and exit with vi?
>
> (escape):wq or (escape)ZZ .  If you're going to try to use vim, you
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> basic features of the editor.
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vi

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how does  one save and exit with vi?

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Re: path

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figured that one out... it was the live media I were looking at

On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 5:03 PM Michael  wrote:

> Interesting: I wanted to label the partition arch was installed on (makes
> it easier to mount as the device label changes  between sdb and
> sdc) but discovered that arch isn't installed on a partition and as far as
> I can tell there isn't a file system on it. At least I loaded gparted to
> inspect it and the box that shows the partition/size/filesystem type is
> grayed out and when I go to the partition pull down everything in it is
> grayed out
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 4:44 PM Michael  wrote:
>
>> Okay Alex... I got arch to install. I am assuming just getting the
>> command prompt is what I want. Before I head over there is there anything I
>> should do from the host computer before I leave the world of gui (like
>> maybe I should download something and put it onto the USB) and enter the
>> land of archlinux?
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 4:18 PM Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> I figured that is what you wanted me to do so I am burning it to the USB
>>> drive now. Strange... we still call ot burning though that is what you do
>>> to a dvd/cd.
>>> even stranger I got an error when installing to the USB but upon
>>> restarting my computer (and forgetting to disconnect the USB) arch booted.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 2:39 PM Snyder, Alexander J <
>>> alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or, if you want a pre-compiled app for your distro:
>>>>
>>>> Other Packages (may be outdated): Ubuntu
>>>> <http://launchpad.net/~gezakovacs/+archive/ppa> Debian
>>>> <http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all=unetbootin>
>>>> Fedora <http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/unetbootin> Suse
>>>> <http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=ALL=1=unetbootin>
>>>> Arch <http://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/i686/unetbootin/>
>>>> Gentoo <http://packages.gentoo.org/package/sys-boot/unetbootin>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Alex.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 11:38 AM Snyder, Alexander J <
>>>> alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Use "Unetbootin" a classic that I used for Years on LInux:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://github.com/unetbootin/unetbootin/releases/download/702/unetbootin-linux64-702.bin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> Alex.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 11:36 AM Michael  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> rufus won't work... I have run linux since 98
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 2:22 PM Snyder, Alexander J <
>>>>>> alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, from your existing desktop (Windows) download the ISO image,
>>>>>>> and then download Rufus:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arch ISO (mirror):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://mirrors.edge.kernel.org/archlinux/iso/2021.09.01/archlinux-2021.09.01-x86_64.iso
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rufus (*only available for Mac/Windows*):
>>>>>>> https://rufus.ie/en/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Follow those steps and let me know once you have created the
>>>>>>> bootable USB drive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Alex.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 11:19 AM Michael  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> well, that is kinda what I want. I want to build a package in a
>>>>>>>> directory that is in the path  so I don;t have to edit anything
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 1:40 PM Snyder, Alexander J <
>>>>>>>> alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Type:  echo "$PATH"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to view the folders in your user path. Root will have a different
>>>>>>>>> PATH.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can add to it by typing:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> export PATH="$PATH:/your/new/directory"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To append to the end.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Put that at the bottom of your "~/.bashrc" file.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Alexander.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Samsung S20+ 5G
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 10:32 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>>>>>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What directory is in the path that is also accessible by the user?
>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: path

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Interesting: I wanted to label the partition arch was installed on (makes
it easier to mount as the device label changes  between sdb and
sdc) but discovered that arch isn't installed on a partition and as far as
I can tell there isn't a file system on it. At least I loaded gparted to
inspect it and the box that shows the partition/size/filesystem type is
grayed out and when I go to the partition pull down everything in it is
grayed out

On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 4:44 PM Michael  wrote:

> Okay Alex... I got arch to install. I am assuming just getting the
> command prompt is what I want. Before I head over there is there anything I
> should do from the host computer before I leave the world of gui (like
> maybe I should download something and put it onto the USB) and enter the
> land of archlinux?
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 4:18 PM Michael  wrote:
>
>> I figured that is what you wanted me to do so I am burning it to the USB
>> drive now. Strange... we still call ot burning though that is what you do
>> to a dvd/cd.
>> even stranger I got an error when installing to the USB but upon
>> restarting my computer (and forgetting to disconnect the USB) arch booted.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 2:39 PM Snyder, Alexander J <
>> alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:
>>
>>> Or, if you want a pre-compiled app for your distro:
>>>
>>> Other Packages (may be outdated): Ubuntu
>>> <http://launchpad.net/~gezakovacs/+archive/ppa> Debian
>>> <http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all=unetbootin> Fedora
>>> <http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/unetbootin> Suse
>>> <http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=ALL=1=unetbootin>
>>> Arch <http://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/i686/unetbootin/>
>>> Gentoo <http://packages.gentoo.org/package/sys-boot/unetbootin>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alex.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 11:38 AM Snyder, Alexander J <
>>> alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Use "Unetbootin" a classic that I used for Years on LInux:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/unetbootin/unetbootin/releases/download/702/unetbootin-linux64-702.bin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Alex.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 11:36 AM Michael  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> rufus won't work... I have run linux since 98
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 2:22 PM Snyder, Alexander J <
>>>>> alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, from your existing desktop (Windows) download the ISO image,
>>>>>> and then download Rufus:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arch ISO (mirror):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://mirrors.edge.kernel.org/archlinux/iso/2021.09.01/archlinux-2021.09.01-x86_64.iso
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rufus (*only available for Mac/Windows*):
>>>>>> https://rufus.ie/en/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Follow those steps and let me know once you have created the bootable
>>>>>> USB drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Alex.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 11:19 AM Michael  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> well, that is kinda what I want. I want to build a package in a
>>>>>>> directory that is in the path  so I don;t have to edit anything
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 1:40 PM Snyder, Alexander J <
>>>>>>> alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Type:  echo "$PATH"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to view the folders in your user path. Root will have a different
>>>>>>>> PATH.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can add to it by typing:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> export PATH="$PATH:/your/new/directory"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To append to the end.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Put that at the bottom of your "~/.bashrc" file.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Alexander.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my Samsung S20+ 5G
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 10:32 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>>>>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What directory is in the path that is also accessible by the user?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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Re: path

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Okay Alex... I got arch to install. I am assuming just getting the
command prompt is what I want. Before I head over there is there anything I
should do from the host computer before I leave the world of gui (like
maybe I should download something and put it onto the USB) and enter the
land of archlinux?

On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 4:18 PM Michael  wrote:

> I figured that is what you wanted me to do so I am burning it to the USB
> drive now. Strange... we still call ot burning though that is what you do
> to a dvd/cd.
> even stranger I got an error when installing to the USB but upon
> restarting my computer (and forgetting to disconnect the USB) arch booted.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 2:39 PM Snyder, Alexander J <
> alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:
>
>> Or, if you want a pre-compiled app for your distro:
>>
>> Other Packages (may be outdated): Ubuntu
>> <http://launchpad.net/~gezakovacs/+archive/ppa> Debian
>> <http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all=unetbootin> Fedora
>> <http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/unetbootin> Suse
>> <http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=ALL=1=unetbootin>
>> Arch <http://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/i686/unetbootin/>
>> Gentoo <http://packages.gentoo.org/package/sys-boot/unetbootin>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Alex.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 11:38 AM Snyder, Alexander J <
>> alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:
>>
>>> Use "Unetbootin" a classic that I used for Years on LInux:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://github.com/unetbootin/unetbootin/releases/download/702/unetbootin-linux64-702.bin
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alex.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 11:36 AM Michael  wrote:
>>>
>>>> rufus won't work... I have run linux since 98
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 2:22 PM Snyder, Alexander J <
>>>> alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Okay, from your existing desktop (Windows) download the ISO image, and
>>>>> then download Rufus:
>>>>>
>>>>> Arch ISO (mirror):
>>>>>
>>>>> https://mirrors.edge.kernel.org/archlinux/iso/2021.09.01/archlinux-2021.09.01-x86_64.iso
>>>>>
>>>>> Rufus (*only available for Mac/Windows*):
>>>>> https://rufus.ie/en/
>>>>>
>>>>> Follow those steps and let me know once you have created the bootable
>>>>> USB drive.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Alex.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 11:19 AM Michael  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> well, that is kinda what I want. I want to build a package in a
>>>>>> directory that is in the path  so I don;t have to edit anything
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 1:40 PM Snyder, Alexander J <
>>>>>> alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Type:  echo "$PATH"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to view the folders in your user path. Root will have a different
>>>>>>> PATH.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can add to it by typing:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> export PATH="$PATH:/your/new/directory"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To append to the end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Put that at the bottom of your "~/.bashrc" file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Alexander.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my Samsung S20+ 5G
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 10:32 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>>>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What directory is in the path that is also accessible by the user?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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Re: path

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Thanks! I'm trying to install arch (your suggestion) onto a persistent USB
drive
 and then to use that to install it to my main computer.

On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 1:40 PM Snyder, Alexander J <
alexan...@snyderfamily.co> wrote:

> Type:  echo "$PATH"
>
> to view the folders in your user path. Root will have a different PATH.
>
> You can add to it by typing:
>
> export PATH="$PATH:/your/new/directory"
>
> To append to the end.
>
> Put that at the bottom of your "~/.bashrc" file.
>
> Thanks,
> Alexander.
>
> Sent from my Samsung S20+ 5G
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 10:32 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> What directory is in the path that is also accessible by the user?
>>
>>
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path

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Re: what is that thing that is similar to linuxfromscratch

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Was it gentoo you were recommending? Or was it another?

On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 9:53 PM Michael  wrote:

> You recommended a distro a while back that is similar to linux from
> scratch and I can't find that email. what was it?
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what is that thing that is similar to linuxfromscratch

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You recommended a distro a while back that is similar to linux from scratch
and I can't find that email. what was it?

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Re: How do I reset su password

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Man why don't I ever search first. Sorry to have disturbed you!

On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 4:00 PM Michael  wrote:

> I need to do things as root (not sudo) and when it asks me for a password
> the computer doesn't accept what I type in.
> I thought I wrote the instructions down but I guess not!
>
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How do I reset su password

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I need to do things as root (not sudo) and when it asks me for a password
the computer doesn't accept what I type in.
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Re: TVs

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thanks for that answer


On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 2:34 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Well, keep in mind even as "just a TV" the burn-in occurs when you have
> static images - that could be the netflix ui, playstation ui, or whatever
> ui if you leave it on.  OLED's are pretty nefarious for this.  I haven't
> had cable in like 25 years or watched broadcast tv with random crap all the
> time, so my TV's tend to be more monitors than anything, usually gaming,
> Kodi, or one of the streaming services.
>
> Otherwise LED is your primary option, other than maybe a projector these
> days.  Whether LED, QLED, or whatever the vendors call it, typically
> relating to smaller, higher contrast LED's are key.  OLED is just
> definitely a different beast, and you'll notice quick by the 2x cost over
> any other LED today.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 10:42 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Oh my appologies. This is for a tv. Not a monitor.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 6:20 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> At least until the OLED's burn in images over time.  I've seen some on
>>> display you can visibly see burned in, that's always been a non-starter for
>>> me as they tend to be used more monitors with static images ala my nvidia
>>> shield UI than random crap on cable tv that changes it up at least.  OLED's
>>> look pretty stunning comparatively, but expect them to be short lived,
>>> particularly most being LG's, which anything LG tend to be disposable crap
>>> anyways.
>>>
>>> I bought a new living room Sharp 70" LCD last year shipped around $700
>>> bucks, and debated getting an OLED instead, but it wasn't worth the
>>> (highly) increased cost and risk I'd be pissed after a year or two.  I have
>>> no complaints about my 3x Samsung curved LCD TV's I use as monitors after 5
>>> years or so, or the Sharp.
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 2:51 PM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> OLED are best.
>>>>
>>>> Each Pixel is it's own light source.
>>>>
>>>> "True Black" only exists on OLED.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Alexander.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Samsung S20+ 5G
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 12:33 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> LED tvs are best... right?
>>>>>
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strange to me auto completion error

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whenever I type rm $LFS/so  it is replaced with:

bmike1@bmike1-desktop:~$ rm \$LFS/so (and the auto complete options)

which upon completion results in:

rm: cannot remove '$LFS/sources/wget-list': No such file or directory

why is it doing this?
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Re: TVs

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Oh my appologies. This is for a tv. Not a monitor.

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 6:20 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> At least until the OLED's burn in images over time.  I've seen some on
> display you can visibly see burned in, that's always been a non-starter for
> me as they tend to be used more monitors with static images ala my nvidia
> shield UI than random crap on cable tv that changes it up at least.  OLED's
> look pretty stunning comparatively, but expect them to be short lived,
> particularly most being LG's, which anything LG tend to be disposable crap
> anyways.
>
> I bought a new living room Sharp 70" LCD last year shipped around $700
> bucks, and debated getting an OLED instead, but it wasn't worth the
> (highly) increased cost and risk I'd be pissed after a year or two.  I have
> no complaints about my 3x Samsung curved LCD TV's I use as monitors after 5
> years or so, or the Sharp.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 2:51 PM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> OLED are best.
>>
>> Each Pixel is it's own light source.
>>
>> "True Black" only exists on OLED.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alexander.
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung S20+ 5G
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 12:33 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> LED tvs are best... right?
>>>
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TVs

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LED tvs are best... right?

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find and remove

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a couple of years ago I think I copied a directory with directories and
etcinto another directory. I think it was /Pictures or maybe not. How
can I find it and delete it... well really I only need to find the files so
I can delete it.

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Re: blew system to bits

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no... not friday but rather Monday.

On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 12:54 AM Michael  wrote:

> boy I wou'd be really screwed if I lost my data. Luckily I backed up my
> most important data friday night.
>
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 10:21 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> As much as you randomly blow up your system Mike, you should embrace a
>> separate nas (network attached storage) solution.  If you want something
>> simple, get a qnap or synology nas device, at least a 2 disk system, and
>> use something like unison/rsync to replicate important data over cifs/nfs.
>> You can buy cheaper nas systems on ebay, usually random chinese hardware
>> suited to running freenas or like, but however you do it, have a copy of
>> your data when experimenting and deleting anything.
>>
>> If I wiped out my home directory without a backup, I'd lose 20+ years of
>> 100+ different companies I've worked at since late 90's (ie. my
>> livelihood), not to mention almost 30 years of personal data, and just not
>> an option.  I replicate my data hourly between 2 laptops, 1 desktop, and 2
>> synology nas systems that real-time replicate data directly.  If I did
>> screw up that bad, I'd just kill replication and move a copy of the data
>> back from my nas.
>>
>> Last time I did something like that almost 20yr ago, I was moving files
>> around, I accidentally started moving all files from /sbin into another
>> directory, fubar'd the system (at the time, a monitoring server that I ran
>> Cox Business Services off of), but learned real quick the importance of
>> thinking before doing.  Slow.  It.  Down.  Think about what you're doing
>> before hitting that enter button.  It's much the same when I'm doing
>> network deployments to enterprise devices, or just mucking around with my
>> workstation.  Don't be that guy if you're ever in a position to admin
>> business systems.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:12 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> OOPS. I hit return after typin rm -rf it deleted everything in /home. So
>>> I restored my system and now this happens:
>>> bmike1@bmike1-desktop:~$ sudo apt install gparted
>>> [sudo] password for bmike1:
>>> Reading package lists... Done
>>> Building dependency tree
>>> Reading state information... Done
>>> The following additional packages will be installed:
>>>   gparted-common
>>> Suggested packages:
>>>   gpart reiser4progs udftools
>>> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock. It is held by
>>> process 84872 (synaptic)
>>> N: Be aware that removing the lock file is not a solution and may break
>>> your system.
>>> E: Unable to lock directory /var/cache/apt/archives/
>>> bmike1@bmike1-desktop:~$
>>>
>>>
>>> it happened before and as a solution killed the roces. It happened again
>>> so I must find a solution. WIll someone share their wisdom?
>>>
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Re: blew system to bits

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boy I wou'd be really screwed if I lost my data. Luckily I backed up my
most important data friday night.

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 10:21 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
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> As much as you randomly blow up your system Mike, you should embrace a
> separate nas (network attached storage) solution.  If you want something
> simple, get a qnap or synology nas device, at least a 2 disk system, and
> use something like unison/rsync to replicate important data over cifs/nfs.
> You can buy cheaper nas systems on ebay, usually random chinese hardware
> suited to running freenas or like, but however you do it, have a copy of
> your data when experimenting and deleting anything.
>
> If I wiped out my home directory without a backup, I'd lose 20+ years of
> 100+ different companies I've worked at since late 90's (ie. my
> livelihood), not to mention almost 30 years of personal data, and just not
> an option.  I replicate my data hourly between 2 laptops, 1 desktop, and 2
> synology nas systems that real-time replicate data directly.  If I did
> screw up that bad, I'd just kill replication and move a copy of the data
> back from my nas.
>
> Last time I did something like that almost 20yr ago, I was moving files
> around, I accidentally started moving all files from /sbin into another
> directory, fubar'd the system (at the time, a monitoring server that I ran
> Cox Business Services off of), but learned real quick the importance of
> thinking before doing.  Slow.  It.  Down.  Think about what you're doing
> before hitting that enter button.  It's much the same when I'm doing
> network deployments to enterprise devices, or just mucking around with my
> workstation.  Don't be that guy if you're ever in a position to admin
> business systems.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:12 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> OOPS. I hit return after typin rm -rf it deleted everything in /home. So
>> I restored my system and now this happens:
>> bmike1@bmike1-desktop:~$ sudo apt install gparted
>> [sudo] password for bmike1:
>> Reading package lists... Done
>> Building dependency tree
>> Reading state information... Done
>> The following additional packages will be installed:
>>   gparted-common
>> Suggested packages:
>>   gpart reiser4progs udftools
>> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock. It is held by process
>> 84872 (synaptic)
>> N: Be aware that removing the lock file is not a solution and may break
>> your system.
>> E: Unable to lock directory /var/cache/apt/archives/
>> bmike1@bmike1-desktop:~$
>>
>>
>> it happened before and as a solution killed the roces. It happened again
>> so I must find a solution. WIll someone share their wisdom?
>>
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blew system to bits

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OOPS. I hit return after typin rm -rf it deleted everything in /home. So I
restored my system and now this happens:
bmike1@bmike1-desktop:~$ sudo apt install gparted
[sudo] password for bmike1:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  gparted-common
Suggested packages:
  gpart reiser4progs udftools
E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock. It is held by process
84872 (synaptic)
N: Be aware that removing the lock file is not a solution and may break
your system.
E: Unable to lock directory /var/cache/apt/archives/
bmike1@bmike1-desktop:~$


it happened before and as a solution killed the roces. It happened again so
I must find a solution. WIll someone share their wisdom?

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Re: /etc/fstab

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Thank you so much Matt. As fir the UEFI issue I'm just doing what LFS
recommends in the process of building their OS; and the same reason for the
reasoning behind the /opt and /usr/src filesystem debacle.

On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 3:40 PM Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss <
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> On 2021-08-20 11:48, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Please, will this work?
>
> > LABEL=boot /boot ext4  defaults  0  0
> > LABEL=rootdir  / ext4  defaults  1  1
> > LABEL=swap swap  swap  pri=1 0  0
> > LABEL=home /home ext4  defaults  0  1
> > LABEL=opt  /opt  ext4  defaults  0  1
> > LABEL=usrsrc   /usr/src  ext4  defaults  0  0
> (snip, /proc et al are fine)
>
> This will probably work, but it's not 100% correct.  The fs_dump column
> is set to 1 for / , and you are probably not using dump.  The /
> filesystem should have an fs_passno of 1, while other filesystems that
> should be fscked at boot time should have an fs_passno of 2.  So you
> should change the 1s in /home and /opt to 2s.
>
> Also, are you not using UEFI?  I'm not sure how much longer the x86
> will continue supporting BIOS boots.  It also seems a bit odd to split
> /opt and /usr/src into separate filesystems.  I've only got 1.4G in /opt
> (almost all Android studio) and 3.1G in /usr/src , and I've got 2
> complete sets of kernel sources in the latter.  (Should get rid of the
> old one, it's not necessary any more.)
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Re: ethernet cable

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this one will work I think!
Mediabridge Ethernet Cable (15 Feet) - Supports Cat6/5e/5, 550MHz, 10Gbps -
RJ45 Cord (Part# 31-399-15X )

On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 3:19 PM Michael  wrote:

> To connect a computer to a router what kind of cable would I get? I think
> it is NOT a patch cable. What is it called? I need a 15 foot cable. What to
> get?
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ethernet cable

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To connect a computer to a router what kind of cable would I get? I think
it is NOT a patch cable. What is it called? I need a 15 foot cable. What to
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/etc/fstab

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Please, will this work?

# Begin /etc/fstab

# file system  mount-point  type options dump  fsck
#  order
LABEL=boot /bootext4 defaults0 0
LABEL=rootdir  /ext4 defaults1 1
LABEL=swap swap swap pri=1   0 0
LABEL=home /homeext4 defaults0 1
LABEL=opt  /opt ext4 defaults0 1
LABEL=usrsrc   /usr/src ext4 defaults0 0
proc   /procproc nosuid,noexec,nodev 0 0
sysfs  /sys sysfsnosuid,noexec,nodev 0 0
devpts /dev/pts devpts   gid=5,mode=620  0 0
tmpfs  /run tmpfsdefaults0 0
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ET

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Where are you buddy? I've been missin ya! Well you got me into $LFS
and I'm wrapping up things. Well, I got to section 8.44 so I don't
know if you'd consider wrapping it up but it is closer than I've been
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Re: What am I doing wrong?

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okay... I'm putting them into tmp and so far all is good

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 4:16 PM Michael  wrote:
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> I've even tried to just place it in $LFS because at first it wasn't
> accepting  a directory until I took it out but then it wasn't
> accepting that line so I decided to try it with one directory. I even
> tried it with  /mnt/lfs
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 4:11 PM Michael  wrote:
> >
> > well it was going in but now it isn't
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 3:10 PM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > does the build documentation detail where things get placed?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:39 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
> > >  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> in my fourth attempt at linux from scratch this is the script I'm trying 
> > >> to run:
> > >>  ../configure   \
> > >>  --prefix=/usr  \
> > >>  --build=$(../config.guess) \
> > >>  --host=$LFS_TGT\
> > >>  --disable-nls  \
> > >>  --enable-shared\
> > >>  --disable-werror   \
> > >>  --enable-64-bit-bfd\
> > >>  2>&1 | tee $LFS/rootdir/buildlogs/6.17BinutilsIImyconflog
> > >>
> > >> It is producing a makefile But is not producing the
> > >> 6.17BinutilsIImyconflog. Well if it is producing it I don't know where
> > >> it is.  it is supposed to be in $LFS/rootdir/buildlogs/ ($LFSdefined
> > >> as /mnt/lfs)
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Re: What am I doing wrong?

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I've even tried to just place it in $LFS because at first it wasn't
accepting  a directory until I took it out but then it wasn't
accepting that line so I decided to try it with one directory. I even
tried it with  /mnt/lfs

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 4:11 PM Michael  wrote:
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> well it was going in but now it isn't
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 3:10 PM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss
>  wrote:
> >
> > does the build documentation detail where things get placed?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:39 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> in my fourth attempt at linux from scratch this is the script I'm trying 
> >> to run:
> >>  ../configure   \
> >>  --prefix=/usr  \
> >>  --build=$(../config.guess) \
> >>  --host=$LFS_TGT\
> >>  --disable-nls  \
> >>  --enable-shared\
> >>  --disable-werror   \
> >>  --enable-64-bit-bfd\
> >>  2>&1 | tee $LFS/rootdir/buildlogs/6.17BinutilsIImyconflog
> >>
> >> It is producing a makefile But is not producing the
> >> 6.17BinutilsIImyconflog. Well if it is producing it I don't know where
> >> it is.  it is supposed to be in $LFS/rootdir/buildlogs/ ($LFSdefined
> >> as /mnt/lfs)
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Re: What am I doing wrong?

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well it was going in but now it isn't

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 3:10 PM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss
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>
> does the build documentation detail where things get placed?
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:39 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>>
>> in my fourth attempt at linux from scratch this is the script I'm trying to 
>> run:
>>  ../configure   \
>>  --prefix=/usr  \
>>  --build=$(../config.guess) \
>>  --host=$LFS_TGT\
>>  --disable-nls  \
>>  --enable-shared\
>>  --disable-werror   \
>>  --enable-64-bit-bfd\
>>  2>&1 | tee $LFS/rootdir/buildlogs/6.17BinutilsIImyconflog
>>
>> It is producing a makefile But is not producing the
>> 6.17BinutilsIImyconflog. Well if it is producing it I don't know where
>> it is.  it is supposed to be in $LFS/rootdir/buildlogs/ ($LFSdefined
>> as /mnt/lfs)
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What am I doing wrong?

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in my fourth attempt at linux from scratch this is the script I'm trying to run:
 ../configure   \
 --prefix=/usr  \
 --build=$(../config.guess) \
 --host=$LFS_TGT\
 --disable-nls  \
 --enable-shared\
 --disable-werror   \
 --enable-64-bit-bfd\
 2>&1 | tee $LFS/rootdir/buildlogs/6.17BinutilsIImyconflog

It is producing a makefile But is not producing the
6.17BinutilsIImyconflog. Well if it is producing it I don't know where
it is.  it is supposed to be in $LFS/rootdir/buildlogs/ ($LFSdefined
as /mnt/lfs)
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search engine not focused on selling you someting

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Check out this search engine:

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Subject: SearX (https://search.disroot.org/search)
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Re: I need help creating a partition.

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worked like a charm! thanks.

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 1:07 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
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>
> You appear to be making it a lot more complicated than it is. You've for
> the -F flag on there which means to force the certain options which
> might not name sense.  Then you've got "-O ^64bit" to disable the 64bit
> feature which means you can only have a partition of around 4 gigs max.
> Then you've got "-L '/opt'" which is just the label for the partition,
> but I'd remove the / from the beginning of your label so it doesn't
> cause confusion or problems later when you use it in your config files.
> You also seem to be changing that label between "/home" and "/opt" so
> I'm guessing that the -L command doesn't do what you think it's going
> (insert mandatory scene from princess bride here).
> The biggest problem you have with you command is the number at the end.
> That number tells the mkfs to format that much space even if the size of
> the partition is different.
>
> I think you'll have much better luck if you try something simple like,
> but only do the -L "opt" part if that truly is the label you'd like your
> drive to have otherwise change it to something more appropriate or
> simply leave it off :
> mkfs.ext4 -L "opt" /dev/sdc10
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On 7/25/21 7:09 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > gparted is failing me.It is a logical partition(/dev/sdc10) labled
> > /home. It is 48 GB large. here is my attempt at using mkfs:
> >
> > michael@MyNUC:~$ sudo mkfs.ext4 -F -O ^64bit -L '/opt' '/dev/sdc10'  
> > 00:00:03
> > [sudo] password for michael:
> > mke2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
> > mkfs.ext4: invalid blocks '00:00:03' on device '/dev/sdc10'
> > michael@MyNUC:~$ sudo mkfs.ext4 -F -O ^64bit -L '/opt' '/dev/sdc10' 500
> > mke2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
> > /dev/sdc10 contains a ext4 file system
> > created on Sun Jul 25 21:38:59 2021
> > 64-bit filesystem support is not enabled.  The larger fields afforded
> > by this feature enable full-strength checksumming.  Pass -O 64bit to
> > rectify.
> >
> > Filesystem too small for a journal
> > Discarding device blocks: done
> > Creating filesystem with 125 4k blocks and 64 inodes
> >
> > Allocating group tables: done
> > Writing inode tables: done
> > Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done
> >
> > michael@MyNUC:~$ sudo mkfs.ext4 -F -O ^64bit -L '/opt' '/dev/sdc10' 125 4k
> > mke2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
> > Usage: mkfs.ext4 [-c|-l filename] [-b block-size] [-C cluster-size]
> > [-i bytes-per-inode] [-I inode-size] [-J journal-options]
> > [-G flex-group-size] [-N number-of-inodes] [-d root-directory]
> > [-m reserved-blocks-percentage] [-o creator-os]
> > [-g blocks-per-group] [-L volume-label] [-M last-mounted-directory]
> > [-O feature[,...]] [-r fs-revision] [-E extended-option[,...]]
> > [-t fs-type] [-T usage-type ] [-U UUID] [-e errors_behavior][-z undo_file]
> > [-jnqvDFSV] device [blocks-count]
> > michael@MyNUC:~$ sudo mkfs.ext4 -F -O ^64bit -L '/opt' '/dev/sdc10' 125
> > mke2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
> > /dev/sdc10 contains a ext4 file system labelled '/opt'
> > created on Sun Jul 25 21:47:13 2021
> > /dev/sdc10: Not enough space to build proposed filesystem while
> > setting up superblock
> > michael@MyNUC:~$ sudo mkfs.ext4 -F -O ^64bit -L '/home' '/dev/sdc10' 125
> > mke2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
> > /dev/sdc10 contains a ext4 file system labelled '/opt'
> > created on Sun Jul 25 21:47:13 2021
> > /dev/sdc10: Not enough space to build proposed filesystem while
> > setting up superblock
> > michael@MyNUC:~$ sudo mkfs.ext4 -F -O ^64bit -L '/home' '/dev/sdc10' 125
> > mke2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
> > /dev/sdc10 contains a ext4 file system labelled '/opt'
> > created on Sun Jul 25 21:47:13 2021
> > /dev/sdc10: Not enough space to build proposed filesystem while
> > setting up superblock
> > michael@MyNUC:~$
> >
> > Hmmm not enough space? But gparted says:
> >
> > All operations completed successfully though the error report says
> > otherwise (including saying I created a MSDOS partition when I created
> > ext4 partitions).
> >
> > (error report)
> > 48.00 GiB of unallocated space within the partition.
> > To grow the file system to fill the partition, select the partition
> > and choose the menu item:
> > Partition --> Check.
> >
> > and I run the partition check and  the result is:
> >
> > GParted 1.0.0
> >
> > configurati

I need help creating a partition.

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

gparted is failing me.It is a logical partition(/dev/sdc10) labled
/home. It is 48 GB large. here is my attempt at using mkfs:

michael@MyNUC:~$ sudo mkfs.ext4 -F -O ^64bit -L '/opt' '/dev/sdc10'  00:00:03
[sudo] password for michael:
mke2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
mkfs.ext4: invalid blocks '00:00:03' on device '/dev/sdc10'
michael@MyNUC:~$ sudo mkfs.ext4 -F -O ^64bit -L '/opt' '/dev/sdc10' 500
mke2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
/dev/sdc10 contains a ext4 file system
created on Sun Jul 25 21:38:59 2021
64-bit filesystem support is not enabled.  The larger fields afforded
by this feature enable full-strength checksumming.  Pass -O 64bit to
rectify.

Filesystem too small for a journal
Discarding device blocks: done
Creating filesystem with 125 4k blocks and 64 inodes

Allocating group tables: done
Writing inode tables: done
Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done

michael@MyNUC:~$ sudo mkfs.ext4 -F -O ^64bit -L '/opt' '/dev/sdc10' 125 4k
mke2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
Usage: mkfs.ext4 [-c|-l filename] [-b block-size] [-C cluster-size]
[-i bytes-per-inode] [-I inode-size] [-J journal-options]
[-G flex-group-size] [-N number-of-inodes] [-d root-directory]
[-m reserved-blocks-percentage] [-o creator-os]
[-g blocks-per-group] [-L volume-label] [-M last-mounted-directory]
[-O feature[,...]] [-r fs-revision] [-E extended-option[,...]]
[-t fs-type] [-T usage-type ] [-U UUID] [-e errors_behavior][-z undo_file]
[-jnqvDFSV] device [blocks-count]
michael@MyNUC:~$ sudo mkfs.ext4 -F -O ^64bit -L '/opt' '/dev/sdc10' 125
mke2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
/dev/sdc10 contains a ext4 file system labelled '/opt'
created on Sun Jul 25 21:47:13 2021
/dev/sdc10: Not enough space to build proposed filesystem while
setting up superblock
michael@MyNUC:~$ sudo mkfs.ext4 -F -O ^64bit -L '/home' '/dev/sdc10' 125
mke2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
/dev/sdc10 contains a ext4 file system labelled '/opt'
created on Sun Jul 25 21:47:13 2021
/dev/sdc10: Not enough space to build proposed filesystem while
setting up superblock
michael@MyNUC:~$ sudo mkfs.ext4 -F -O ^64bit -L '/home' '/dev/sdc10' 125
mke2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
/dev/sdc10 contains a ext4 file system labelled '/opt'
created on Sun Jul 25 21:47:13 2021
/dev/sdc10: Not enough space to build proposed filesystem while
setting up superblock
michael@MyNUC:~$

Hmmm not enough space? But gparted says:

All operations completed successfully though the error report says
otherwise (including saying I created a MSDOS partition when I created
ext4 partitions).

(error report)
48.00 GiB of unallocated space within the partition.
To grow the file system to fill the partition, select the partition
and choose the menu item:
Partition --> Check.

and I run the partition check and  the result is:

GParted 1.0.0

configuration --enable-libparted-dmraid --enable-online-resize

libparted 3.3



Device:/dev/sda
Model:ATA KINGSTON SUV500M
Serial:50026B7783458A92
Sector size:512
Total sectors:468862128

Heads:255
Sectors/track:2
Cylinders:919337

Partition table:msdos

PartitionTypeStartEndFlagsPartition NameFile SystemLabelMount Point
/dev/sda2Extended2046468860927bootextended
/dev/sda6Logical2048410267647ext4/home
/dev/sda5Logical410267648468860927ext4/



Device:/dev/sdc
Model:USB SanDisk 3.2Gen1
Serial:none
Sector size:512
Total sectors:240353280

Heads:255
Sectors/track:2
Cylinders:471280

Partition table:msdos

PartitionTypeStartEndFlagsPartition NameFile SystemLabelMount Point
/dev/sdc1Primary32240353279lbafat32



Delete /dev/sdc1 (fat32, 114.61 GiB) from /dev/sdc  00:00:01( SUCCESS )

calibrate /dev/sdc1  00:00:00( SUCCESS )

path: /dev/sdc1 (partition)
start: 32
end: 240353279
size: 240353248 (114.61 GiB)
delete partition  00:00:01( SUCCESS )



Create Extended Partition #1 (extended, 114.61 GiB) on /dev/sdc
00:00:00( SUCCESS )

create empty partition  00:00:00( SUCCESS )

path: /dev/sdc1 (partition)
start: 2048
end: 240353279
size: 240351232 (114.61 GiB)



Create Logical Partition #2 (ext4, 200.00 MiB) on /dev/sdc  00:00:02
 ( SUCCESS )

create empty partition  00:00:01( SUCCESS )

path: /dev/sdc5 (partition)
start: 4096
end: 413695
size: 409600 (200.00 MiB)
clear old file system signatures in /dev/sdc5  00:00:00( SUCCESS )

write 512.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 0  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
write 4.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 67108864  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
write 512.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 209190912  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
write 4.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 209649664  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
write 8.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 209707008  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
flush operating system cache of /dev/sdc  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
set partition type on /dev/sdc5  00:00:01( SUCCESS )

new partition type: ext4
create new ext4 file 

Re: using a thumb drive as a partition.

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

It will be a USB3 drive but the port might only be a 2 if that!

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> Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss said on Fri, 23 Jul 2021 08:19:35
> -0700
>
>
> >
> >i still find their write performance leaves something to be desired so
> >i would test it out and see if it meets your needs.
>
> If the thumb drive is USB3 and it's connected to a USB3 port, the write
> performance leaves a lot less somethings to be desired.
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Re: resize partition

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solution:
Download the appropriate .deb files from

CODE: SELECT ALL

http://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/e2fslibs
http://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/e2fsprogs

and install e2fslibs, then install e2fsprogs.

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> So I was looking at my disk partitions and noticed I don't have a swap
> partition. I guess I probably should as I am going to do LFS and only
> have 8 GB of ram. I then shut down the machine and started a live
> version but got the following error:
>
> GParted 0.25.0 --enable-libparted-dmraid --enable-online-resize
>
> Libparted 3.2
>
> Move /dev/sda6 to the right and shrink it from 195.63 GiB to 184.89
> GiB  00:00:00( ERROR )
>
> calibrate /dev/sda6  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
>
> path: /dev/sda6 (partition)
> start: 2048
> end: 410267647
> size: 410265600 (195.63 GiB)
> check file system on /dev/sda6 for errors and (if possible) fix them
> 00:00:00( ERROR )
>
> e2fsck -f -y -v -C 0 /dev/sda6  00:00:00( ERROR )
>
>
> e2fsck 1.42.13 (17-May-2015)
> /dev/sda6 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum
> e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck!
>
> So I update the apt repo and tried to update e2fsck. Unfortunately
> there is no e2fsck; only e2fsck-static and that didn't help any. Does
> anyone know how to fix this?
>
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resize partition

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So I was looking at my disk partitions and noticed I don't have a swap
partition. I guess I probably should as I am going to do LFS and only
have 8 GB of ram. I then shut down the machine and started a live
version but got the following error:

GParted 0.25.0 --enable-libparted-dmraid --enable-online-resize

Libparted 3.2

Move /dev/sda6 to the right and shrink it from 195.63 GiB to 184.89
GiB  00:00:00( ERROR )

calibrate /dev/sda6  00:00:00( SUCCESS )

path: /dev/sda6 (partition)
start: 2048
end: 410267647
size: 410265600 (195.63 GiB)
check file system on /dev/sda6 for errors and (if possible) fix them
00:00:00( ERROR )

e2fsck -f -y -v -C 0 /dev/sda6  00:00:00( ERROR )


e2fsck 1.42.13 (17-May-2015)
/dev/sda6 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum
e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck!

So I update the apt repo and tried to update e2fsck. Unfortunately
there is no e2fsck; only e2fsck-static and that didn't help any. Does
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Re: Electrical costs to run a home web server

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>
> Tell me about it. I live in Orlando Florida.
>
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using a thumb drive as a partition.

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Have they fixed the number of writes a drive cN TAKE? OR ELSE HOW MANY
WRITES CAN an sd card take. I want to use it for LFS

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Re: Electrical costs to run a home web server

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$262 a YEAR. If you can't afford $22 more a month you need a less
expensive hobby.
Don't go out to eat one less time a month. Go to the movies one less
time a month. I'm sure you can figure out something else to do one
less time a month.





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>
>
> Hi,
>
> I just read this quote about the electrical costs to run a web server
> from home:
>
> Cost: While it may sound cheaper to use that computer lying around doing
> nothing when creating your web server, when you factor in the cost of
> powering an old computer 24 hours a day, it can get very expensive. A
> 250W desktop computer running 24 hours per day at 12 cents per KW/h is a
> whopping $262.00 per year!
>
> ---
> I think their math is wrong.
>
> The average residential electricity rate in Chandler is 10.85¢/kWh.
>
> I'm thinking a low traffic PHP web server running on an old Dell with a
> 400 watt power supply is not using but maybe 100 watts on average.  I've
> read that the computer should use no more than half the power supply
> capacity.  Is this correct?
>
> If my home web server is using 100 watts an hour that mean 100 watts *
> 30 days * 24 hours or 72K watts.
>
> I'm thinking 72 * .1085 = $7.81 a month.
>
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Re: LFS

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Well, If I don't like it I can always compile sometnng else!

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> If your looking for a smaller faster one. Have you thought about Xfce..
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, at 19:05, Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > On 7/18/21 4:58 PM, Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > > Because it's more bloated as I see it.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, at 16:33, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > >> You know I'm doing Linux From Scratch and I'm looking into Beyond
> > >> Linux from Scratch. Well I look at KDE and I look at Gnome. Gnome has
> > >> about twice the pAckages to compile. Why is that?
> >
> >
> > From a bloat perspective, both are about equally bloated.
> >
> > However, KDE has incredible dependency-hell. Gnome is a bit more
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Housing

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My dad was just telling me I could get old laptop flash and make a
drive with it. My little brain can't wrap itself around that. Anyone
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LFS

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You know I'm doing Linux From Scratch and I'm looking into Beyond
Linux from Scratch. Well I look at KDE and I look at Gnome. Gnome has
about twice the pAckages to compile. Why is that?

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Directory size

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I tell ya; I am so excited.
I was going to write a message to ya' all asking how to tell the a
directories size. Then my mind starte t a-whirl. I thought:

free
No. That's a memory thing. Then I thought:

df
Maybe. It shows the size of the disk. Let's throw a directory onto
thend of it
df -h ./Documents
No. Same output.

Then I thought:

du
the out put turns into a list of files.
Maybe let's throw a directory onto the end.
du -h ./Documents
Hot digity dog! That was it. And I didn't need to bug you guys!
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Re: Linux from scratch

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Does anyone know what happened to ET? He was helping me with this when
I was trying to do it about 10 years ago.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 2:30 PM Michael  wrote:
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> I know google is my friend! I looked it up and it is possible.
> Sorry I didn't thonk of that before I asked.
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 2:18 PM Michael  wrote:
> >
> > I'm wanting to build a custom linux build but I don't have another
> > computer and don't want to buy one. Can I build a live distro with
> > LFS?
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Re: help with printing

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thanks Brian.

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> Looks like the latest version of PhotoPrint is 11 years old, so they
> probably dropped it because it's become difficult to compile on the
> latest systems and it appears to be
>
> Try Gwenview.
> Select the images you want included and then go to Plugins -> Images ->
> Print Assistant
> There appears to be a bug in gwenview that causes the Print assistant to
> be greyed out.  If this happens, just deselect your images and select
> them again and print assistant will be available.
>
> You can also use Digikam.
> Select the images you want included and then go to Tools -> Print Creator
>
> Hope that's the type of thing you were looking for.
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On 7/13/21 8:46 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > I need a printing program which has layout management. I was told
> > about photoprint but it has been removed from the repository. I also
> > heard about krokus but it too is not in the repository and I tried to
> > compile it but the dependencies weren't in the repository so I got
> > uncomfortable with that.
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help with printing

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I need a printing program which has layout management. I was told
about photoprint but it has been removed from the repository. I also
heard about krokus but it too is not in the repository and I tried to
compile it but the dependencies weren't in the repository so I got
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Re: boy am I glad I have a basic understanding of linux thanks to you guys.

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correctionI now have windows on my laptop but my main computer is
linuxand all of my computers between 199? and now have been Linux.
Hm, I can't remember if the other laptop I had was a windows box
or linux so there's that.

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> That sounds like about the same time I came around.  If I remember
> right it was the installfest at glendale community college.  Redddhat
> didn't work for me so the next month I took ithe computer to the
> monthly meeting and had Hans put windows back on. I don't know why but
> I went to the next installfest and told every one redhat didn't work
> and they put debian on and that was it. I never had windows again!
>
> On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 10:57 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss
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> > Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss said on Sat, 3 Jul 2021 15:00:25 -0700
> >
> > >Yep,
> > >Some of us even have experiences going back to kernel .099. :) wow,
> > >it’s been almost 30 years.
> > >
> > >-Eric
> >
> > I don't know which kernel, but my first Linux was Redhat 5.1 in October
> > 1998.
> >
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Re: boy am I glad I have a basic understanding of linux thanks to you guys.

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

That sounds like about the same time I came around.  If I remember
right it was the installfest at glendale community college.  Redddhat
didn't work for me so the next month I took ithe computer to the
monthly meeting and had Hans put windows back on. I don't know why but
I went to the next installfest and told every one redhat didn't work
and they put debian on and that was it. I never had windows again!

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> Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss said on Sat, 3 Jul 2021 15:00:25 -0700
>
> >Yep,
> >Some of us even have experiences going back to kernel .099. :) wow,
> >it’s been almost 30 years.
> >
> >-Eric
>
> I don't know which kernel, but my first Linux was Redhat 5.1 in October
> 1998.
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boy am I glad I have a basic understanding of linux thanks to you guys.

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Today I ran  the update manager to  get the new version of  darktable
and it failed w/o telling me why.Because of the knowledge I attained
from you over the years I was able to open a terminal and to run apt
and find out what was wrong. It urns out one of the packages had unmet
dependencies. Luckily the problem  was easily resolved by installing
the package (apt-utils) separately. I didn't have to waste anyones
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Re: Libre office

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1891 t,  2373, u n125 15
what im trying to do is
nevermind. I'll do it a way I understand already
Thanks for trying, Bob.
On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 12:12 PM Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss
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> What is in U127 ?  And what is in T127
> I'm assuming N125 = 16
>
>
> On Mon, May 10, 2021, 9:00 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
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>> Why do these two formulas produce the same result?
>>
>> =(U127-2200)*0.01*16 =SUM((U127-T127)*0.01*$N$125) assuming t127 is not 2200
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Libre office

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Why do these two formulas produce the same result?

=(U127-2200)*0.01*16 =SUM((U127-T127)*0.01*$N$125) assuming t127 is not 2200
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Re: can't remember

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Thanks, man.]\

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> Use dollar signs.
>
> $D$4 == cell D4 doesn't change
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 11:22 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
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>> what is the symbol in librecalc to make a certain cell not vary the position?
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Re: can't remember

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what is it called? I was thinking absolute cell or value or something
like that but it isn't.

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can't remember

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what is the symbol in librecalc to make a certain cell not vary the position?

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Thanks for your help when I ran out of room

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Wonderful! I was deleting things and elated home.
Now I have plenty of room until I restored with my backups.\

In any case,  what is a good external drive?

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Re: running out of room in root

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Ok, thanks.

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> Is /boot on the same partition?  If so there are usually some large older 
> kernel files in there you could clean up.
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 9:29 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
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>> I am getting an error: File system Root only has 143.6 MB remaining.
>> What should I do
>> michael@MyNUC:~$ df / -h
>> Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
>> /dev/sda528G   26G  137M 100% /
>> michael@MyNUC:~$
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running out of room in root

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I am getting an error: File system Root only has 143.6 MB remaining.
What should I do
michael@MyNUC:~$ df / -h
Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda528G   26G  137M 100% /
michael@MyNUC:~$

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Re: I'm running out of room.

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thanks\

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> I've just used xfburn or brasero. It's been a while.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> I need to copy my pictures to dvd/cd. Could someone tell me how to do it?
>
> mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 cd_image /cdrom
>
> mkisofs  -r -J -o output-files  (for this will '*' copy names as is?)
> name-of-files-to-copy (will '*' copy all files)
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I'm running out of room.

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I need to copy my pictures to dvd/cd. Could someone tell me how to do it?

mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 cd_image /cdrom

mkisofs  -r -J -o output-files  (for this will '*' copy names as is?)
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Re: New to the List and Linux

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

Chrome books are designed to run off of the Internet. How big of a hard
drive does your chrome books have on them.

On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 10:57 PM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
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> The closest I have done is enable Linux and set up flatpack. None of the
> Chromebooks I have had have ever really had the horsepower to run Linux the
> way I would want.
>
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 8:17 PM Kevin Majka via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>> I'm new to Linux and this list. I have a couple of chrome Os devices that
>> I have had a hard time linux installations on.
>>
>> Has anyone locally converted a Chromebook / chrome os device to just boot
>> Linux successfully?
>> I'm looking for assistance and I would be happy to buy you a gift card to
>> a place you like for the trouble. I'm not available for the March install
>> parties and I'm not sure of reworking chrome remotely.
>>
>> Please let me know. I'm in Ahwatukee. I can drive - they are under Chrome
>> Os builds Panther and Sand per Mr. Chromebox
>> .
>>
>> Feel free to reach out to me directly off-list too. If there is a
>> business I can support that won't charge Data Doctors prices, I would
>> consider that too - just let me know.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Kevin
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modern xbmc/kodi

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

How can we watch tv/movies on the computer like we could with xbmc?

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Re: Starlink Preorders Begin

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and what is 'stellar'

On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 10:42 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
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>
> Do you hate your incumbent ISP for keeping you in the dark ages with only 
> single digit megabit internet?  Now you can start ordering Starlink services.
>
> https://www.starlink.com/
>
> So far reported bandwidth and latency are stellar (pun intended).  I'm 
> personally looking forward to folks getting an alternative to crappy rural 
> isp's, cheers to Elon Musk for shaking up another stale industry.
>
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Re: compromised passwords

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I wish I could

On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 4:41 PM Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss
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>
> Don’t use chrome.
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2021, at 14:27, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Whenever I try to save a password in chrome a window pops up saying I
> > have 157 compromised passwords. Then, after I click the inspect button
> > I am informed I have no saved passwords. How do I get that notice to
> > stop appearing and passwords to be saved again? Oh, I forgot to say
> > thay passwords are not being saved.
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compromised passwords

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Whenever I try to save a password in chrome a window pops up saying I
have 157 compromised passwords. Then, after I click the inspect button
I am informed I have no saved passwords. How do I get that notice to
stop appearing and passwords to be saved again? Oh, I forgot to say
thay passwords are not being saved.

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Re: tiff file license

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I guess it doesn't really matter. I was assuming that because a tiff
is a  larger file it would have more data in it. What started this
line of thought is that someone didn't know how to edit a cr3 file in
darktable and it was recommended that he convert to DNG and edit that.
I just always thought tiff was better because it was a larger file.

On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 2:03 PM John Seberg via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:
>
> I'm not clear as to why you would want to convince them, or why that might 
> make you stingy.
>
> Also, I'm not entirely up-to-date on the latest TIFF specification, and I 
> don't know much about DNG, at all.
>
> I think it's likely that DNG is higher resolution - keeps more data. It might 
> even be the native format for equipment, and not practical for them to 
> discard completely.
>
> Consider looking into the following to build your argument:
>
> 1) Color depth. This is my first suspicion. By converting DNG to TIFF, one 
> might be discarding colors. I've seen color depths as high as 64 bit. So, 
> what is the max supported by TIFF and DNG? TIFF might be limited to 16 bit.
>
> 2) Stored attributes. Formats often support attribute/values (a.k.a 
> metadata), and TIFF might have some limits, here. What if your photographer 
> colleagues discovered that their images lost all the aperture values because 
> of your suggestion? They have a great shot, and want to see their camera 
> settings?
>
> Regarding compression, in my experience, it was optional, and typically 
> lossless (ZIP or LZW) with TIFF. JPEG compression is lossy, and I think that 
> may be a TIFF option to be avoided by somebody wanting to preserve all 
> possible data.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 7:06:10 AM MST, Michael via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> proprietary is the word!
>
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 9:03 AM Michael  wrote:
> >
> > I mean like a DNG file is an Adobe product and I'm trying to convince
> > my photographer colleagues that they shouldn't use DNG but rather that
> > they should be using TIFF files when they need to convert a closed
> > format (I can't think of the correct word) image file to something
> > darktable can read. What do all of you think? Am I just being too
> > stingy?
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 8:50 AM Michael  wrote:
> > >
> > > how is a tiff file licensed? My web search didn't show it!
> > >
> > >
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Re: tiff file license

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proprietary is the word!

On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 9:03 AM Michael  wrote:
>
> I mean like a DNG file is an Adobe product and I'm trying to convince
> my photographer colleagues that they shouldn't use DNG but rather that
> they should be using TIFF files when they need to convert a closed
> format (I can't think of the correct word) image file to something
> darktable can read. What do all of you think? Am I just being too
> stingy?
>
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 8:50 AM Michael  wrote:
> >
> > how is a tiff file licensed? My web search didn't show it!
> >
> >
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Re: tiff file license

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

I mean like a DNG file is an Adobe product and I'm trying to convince
my photographer colleagues that they shouldn't use DNG but rather that
they should be using TIFF files when they need to convert a closed
format (I can't think of the correct word) image file to something
darktable can read. What do all of you think? Am I just being too
stingy?

On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 8:50 AM Michael  wrote:
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> how is a tiff file licensed? My web search didn't show it!
>
>
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tiff file license

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how is a tiff file licensed? My web search didn't show it!


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Re: Drone Kit

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thank you so much

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 8:29 PM Harold Michelson via PLUG-discuss
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> This is not my field, even though I drool over them regularly, but the 
> YouTube channel 'flite test' with a sub search 'drone' will give you a whole 
> lot of authoritative information on the topic.
>
> Good luck
> Harold
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:19 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>>
>> I asked this on a list that should know but I just got snarky replies.
>> I am a real estate photographer and we use drones (surprise,
>> surprise). In any case I want to build a back up drone. Could someone
>> point me towards a kit that has return to home, a 1" camera,and maybe
>> a flight pattern thing  and. I don't know surprise me.
>> I want to get a project me and dad can put together that I can use if
>> he doesn't want it.
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Drone Kit

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I asked this on a list that should know but I just got snarky replies.
I am a real estate photographer and we use drones (surprise,
surprise). In any case I want to build a back up drone. Could someone
point me towards a kit that has return to home, a 1" camera,and maybe
a flight pattern thing  and. I don't know surprise me.
I want to get a project me and dad can put together that I can use if
he doesn't want it.

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Re: simple-scan

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Thank you so much for the help John. I really appreciate it. And I am
so grateful for Mike's suggestion for masterpdfeditor and for
directing me to the 4.x version.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 9:43 AM Michael  wrote:
>
> oh brother! I knew that! I forgot.
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 9:36 AM John Seberg via PLUG-discuss
>  wrote:
> >
> > I assume you downloaded .deb file(s) and used apt to install?
> >
> > $ sudo apt remove 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Saturday, December 12, 2020, 7:29:31 AM MST, Michael via PLUG-discuss 
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > oops I messed up. I installed 5.x but now don't know how to remove it
> > so I can install 4.x . How do you do it?
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 8:17 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Not open source, no, but I don't begrudge them as they always used to be 
> > > kind to linux folks for years and has been a dope product.  Better than 
> > > the devil known as adobe.
> > >
> > > Check below, this links you over to their deb's for ubuntu (yay for 
> > > search engines).  I ran it for years under ubuntu, so I know it at least 
> > > was around, but seems to still be.  The 5.x version requires a paid 
> > > license, but 4.x is still free for linux.
> > >
> > > https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/04/download-master-pdf-editor-4-for-linux.html
> > > http://code-industry.net/public/master-pdf-editor-4.3.89_qt5.amd64.deb
> > >
> > > -mb
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 3:39 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
> > >  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> bummer! masterpdfeditor isn't available for ubuntu/mint:(
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 5:34 PM Michael  wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > isn't it open source? Doesn't that mean you can download the source
> > >> > and compile all versions yourself?
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 3:09 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
> > >> >  wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I always use Master PDF Editor.  The 4.x version is still free to 
> > >> > > use for linux (funny, linux was always free, but made windoze/mac 
> > >> > > folks pay, because they obviously have the cash), but 5.0 and on 
> > >> > > demands cash tax for all.  At least under arch they keep both 
> > >> > > packages for use.  This has been my go-to pdf editor for 5+ years at 
> > >> > > least, often using to add a signature or various field inputs to 
> > >> > > avoid a print, sign, and re-scan type scenario.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I think even at cost it's like $75 bucks, which is still far better 
> > >> > > than buying adobe acrobat pro malware for $500 bucks to be infected 
> > >> > > invariably.  I've been using master pdf editor so long I should 
> > >> > > probably pay them out of respect.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > $ yay master pdf
> > >> > > 2 aur/masterpdfeditor-free 4.3.89-1 (+56 4.48%) (Installed)
> > >> > >A complete solution for creation and editing PDF files - Free 
> > >> > > version without watermark
> > >> > > 1 aur/masterpdfeditor 5.6.80-1 (+169 3.69%)
> > >> > >A complete solution for viewing, creating and editing PDF files
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -mb
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 12:21 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
> > >> > >  wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Does anyone know how to load a PDF document into simple-scan so you
> > >> > >> can add onto it.
> > >> > >>
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Re: simple-scan

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oh brother! I knew that! I forgot.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 9:36 AM John Seberg via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:
>
> I assume you downloaded .deb file(s) and used apt to install?
>
> $ sudo apt remove 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, December 12, 2020, 7:29:31 AM MST, Michael via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> oops I messed up. I installed 5.x but now don't know how to remove it
> so I can install 4.x . How do you do it?
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 8:17 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
>  wrote:
> >
> > Not open source, no, but I don't begrudge them as they always used to be 
> > kind to linux folks for years and has been a dope product.  Better than the 
> > devil known as adobe.
> >
> > Check below, this links you over to their deb's for ubuntu (yay for search 
> > engines).  I ran it for years under ubuntu, so I know it at least was 
> > around, but seems to still be.  The 5.x version requires a paid license, 
> > but 4.x is still free for linux.
> >
> > https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/04/download-master-pdf-editor-4-for-linux.html
> > http://code-industry.net/public/master-pdf-editor-4.3.89_qt5.amd64.deb
> >
> > -mb
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 3:39 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> bummer! masterpdfeditor isn't available for ubuntu/mint:(
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 5:34 PM Michael  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > isn't it open source? Doesn't that mean you can download the source
> >> > and compile all versions yourself?
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 3:09 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
> >> >  wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > I always use Master PDF Editor.  The 4.x version is still free to use 
> >> > > for linux (funny, linux was always free, but made windoze/mac folks 
> >> > > pay, because they obviously have the cash), but 5.0 and on demands 
> >> > > cash tax for all.  At least under arch they keep both packages for 
> >> > > use.  This has been my go-to pdf editor for 5+ years at least, often 
> >> > > using to add a signature or various field inputs to avoid a print, 
> >> > > sign, and re-scan type scenario.
> >> > >
> >> > > I think even at cost it's like $75 bucks, which is still far better 
> >> > > than buying adobe acrobat pro malware for $500 bucks to be infected 
> >> > > invariably.  I've been using master pdf editor so long I should 
> >> > > probably pay them out of respect.
> >> > >
> >> > > $ yay master pdf
> >> > > 2 aur/masterpdfeditor-free 4.3.89-1 (+56 4.48%) (Installed)
> >> > >A complete solution for creation and editing PDF files - Free 
> >> > > version without watermark
> >> > > 1 aur/masterpdfeditor 5.6.80-1 (+169 3.69%)
> >> > >A complete solution for viewing, creating and editing PDF files
> >> > >
> >> > > -mb
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 12:21 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
> >> > >  wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Does anyone know how to load a PDF document into simple-scan so you
> >> > >> can add onto it.
> >> > >>
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Re: simple-scan

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oops I messed up. I installed 5.x but now don't know how to remove it
so I can install 4.x . How do you do it?

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 8:17 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:
>
> Not open source, no, but I don't begrudge them as they always used to be kind 
> to linux folks for years and has been a dope product.  Better than the devil 
> known as adobe.
>
> Check below, this links you over to their deb's for ubuntu (yay for search 
> engines).  I ran it for years under ubuntu, so I know it at least was around, 
> but seems to still be.  The 5.x version requires a paid license, but 4.x is 
> still free for linux.
>
> https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/04/download-master-pdf-editor-4-for-linux.html
> http://code-industry.net/public/master-pdf-editor-4.3.89_qt5.amd64.deb
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 3:39 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>>
>> bummer! masterpdfeditor isn't available for ubuntu/mint:(
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 5:34 PM Michael  wrote:
>> >
>> > isn't it open source? Doesn't that mean you can download the source
>> > and compile all versions yourself?
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 3:09 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
>> >  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I always use Master PDF Editor.  The 4.x version is still free to use 
>> > > for linux (funny, linux was always free, but made windoze/mac folks pay, 
>> > > because they obviously have the cash), but 5.0 and on demands cash tax 
>> > > for all.  At least under arch they keep both packages for use.  This has 
>> > > been my go-to pdf editor for 5+ years at least, often using to add a 
>> > > signature or various field inputs to avoid a print, sign, and re-scan 
>> > > type scenario.
>> > >
>> > > I think even at cost it's like $75 bucks, which is still far better than 
>> > > buying adobe acrobat pro malware for $500 bucks to be infected 
>> > > invariably.  I've been using master pdf editor so long I should probably 
>> > > pay them out of respect.
>> > >
>> > > $ yay master pdf
>> > > 2 aur/masterpdfeditor-free 4.3.89-1 (+56 4.48%) (Installed)
>> > > A complete solution for creation and editing PDF files - Free 
>> > > version without watermark
>> > > 1 aur/masterpdfeditor 5.6.80-1 (+169 3.69%)
>> > > A complete solution for viewing, creating and editing PDF files
>> > >
>> > > -mb
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 12:21 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
>> > >  wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Does anyone know how to load a PDF document into simple-scan so you
>> > >> can add onto it.
>> > >>
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Re: simple-scan

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bummer! masterpdfeditor isn't available for ubuntu/mint:(

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 5:34 PM Michael  wrote:
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> isn't it open source? Doesn't that mean you can download the source
> and compile all versions yourself?
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 3:09 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
>  wrote:
> >
> > I always use Master PDF Editor.  The 4.x version is still free to use for 
> > linux (funny, linux was always free, but made windoze/mac folks pay, 
> > because they obviously have the cash), but 5.0 and on demands cash tax for 
> > all.  At least under arch they keep both packages for use.  This has been 
> > my go-to pdf editor for 5+ years at least, often using to add a signature 
> > or various field inputs to avoid a print, sign, and re-scan type scenario.
> >
> > I think even at cost it's like $75 bucks, which is still far better than 
> > buying adobe acrobat pro malware for $500 bucks to be infected invariably.  
> > I've been using master pdf editor so long I should probably pay them out of 
> > respect.
> >
> > $ yay master pdf
> > 2 aur/masterpdfeditor-free 4.3.89-1 (+56 4.48%) (Installed)
> > A complete solution for creation and editing PDF files - Free version 
> > without watermark
> > 1 aur/masterpdfeditor 5.6.80-1 (+169 3.69%)
> >     A complete solution for viewing, creating and editing PDF files
> >
> > -mb
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 12:21 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone know how to load a PDF document into simple-scan so you
> >> can add onto it.
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Re: simple-scan

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isn't it open source? Doesn't that mean you can download the source
and compile all versions yourself?

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 3:09 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:
>
> I always use Master PDF Editor.  The 4.x version is still free to use for 
> linux (funny, linux was always free, but made windoze/mac folks pay, because 
> they obviously have the cash), but 5.0 and on demands cash tax for all.  At 
> least under arch they keep both packages for use.  This has been my go-to pdf 
> editor for 5+ years at least, often using to add a signature or various field 
> inputs to avoid a print, sign, and re-scan type scenario.
>
> I think even at cost it's like $75 bucks, which is still far better than 
> buying adobe acrobat pro malware for $500 bucks to be infected invariably.  
> I've been using master pdf editor so long I should probably pay them out of 
> respect.
>
> $ yay master pdf
> 2 aur/masterpdfeditor-free 4.3.89-1 (+56 4.48%) (Installed)
> A complete solution for creation and editing PDF files - Free version 
> without watermark
> 1 aur/masterpdfeditor 5.6.80-1 (+169 3.69%)
> A complete solution for viewing, creating and editing PDF files
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 12:21 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know how to load a PDF document into simple-scan so you
>> can add onto it.
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simple-scan

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Does anyone know how to load a PDF document into simple-scan so you
can add onto it.

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Re: HDR with GIMP

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I found the linux way of doing things! hdrmerge. it is even in the
linuxmint repository.

On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 11:15 AM John Seberg via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:
>
> I just dabble with GIMP and Imagemagick. I've never worked with ARW files, 
> but, they don't look like they're particularly special. I would just open 
> them with GIMP and use File / Export As... to convert them to jpeg. Gimp will 
> make the conversion based on what you give for a file extension, and present 
> you with appropriate options. Imagemagick is a collection of utilities, 
> mostly or entirely CLI based.
>
> https://imagemagick.org
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, December 5, 2020, 7:41:26 AM MST, Michael via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> You know actually I just want to be able to turn the following arw
> files into the jpg the linux way. With Gimp or darktable or some other
> linux way:
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1b-ZmJv-vu1vqh9ZaQBhOU9c5qeibjOME?usp=sharing
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 7:52 AM Michael  wrote:
> >
> > Goofy me the instructions said it would not be able to create
> > directories and so to create the directories manually and then he gave
> > the commands. Well it did not give me the error I expected so I
> > thought I had a different error. Well, I was wrong. I entered the
> > mkdir  commands and everything ran.
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 7:39 AM Michael  wrote:
> > >
> > > this is the error I get after following the instructions found :
> > > https://www.evolware.org/?p=440
> > >
> > > $ wine nikcollection-full-1.2.11.exe
> > > wine: created the configuration directory '/home/michael/.wine'
> > > 0012:err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for
> > > interface {0131---c000-0046}
> > > 0012:err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for
> > > interface {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}
> > > 0012:err:ole:StdMarshalImpl_MarshalInterface Failed to create ifstub,
> > > hres=0x80004002
> > > 0012:err:ole:CoMarshalInterface Failed to marshal the interface
> > > {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}, 80004002
> > > 0012:err:ole:get_local_server_stream Failed: 80004002
> > > 0014:err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for
> > > interface {0131---c000-0046}
> > > 0014:err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for
> > > interface {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}
> > > 0014:err:ole:StdMarshalImpl_MarshalInterface Failed to create ifstub,
> > > hres=0x80004002
> > > 0014:err:ole:CoMarshalInterface Failed to marshal the interface
> > > {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}, 80004002
> > > 0014:err:ole:get_local_server_stream Failed: 80004002
> > > Could not find Wine Gecko. HTML rendering will be disabled.
> > > Could not find Wine Gecko. HTML rendering will be disabled.
> > > wine: configuration in L"/home/michael/.wine" has been updated.
> > > 0009:err:module:__wine_process_init
> > > L"C:\\windows\\system32\\nikcollection-full-1.2.11.exe" not found
> > >
> > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 7:20 AM Michael  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I need to install the google NIK plugin so I can do HDR in gimp. I get
> > > > confused easily. Can someone help me install NIK and get it running so
> > > > I can follow the book I got to teach me Gimp ? And if you would be
> > > > willing, help me with learning how to do HDR?
> > > >
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Re: HDR with GIMP

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

turn the arw files in the link into the jpg file in the link I mean

On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 9:40 AM Michael  wrote:
>
> You know actually I just want to be able to turn the following arw
> files into the jpg the linux way. With Gimp or darktable or some other
> linux way:
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1b-ZmJv-vu1vqh9ZaQBhOU9c5qeibjOME?usp=sharing
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 7:52 AM Michael  wrote:
> >
> > Goofy me the instructions said it would not be able to create
> > directories and so to create the directories manually and then he gave
> > the commands. Well it did not give me the error I expected so I
> > thought I had a different error. Well, I was wrong. I entered the
> > mkdir  commands and everything ran.
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 7:39 AM Michael  wrote:
> > >
> > > this is the error I get after following the instructions found :
> > > https://www.evolware.org/?p=440
> > >
> > > $ wine nikcollection-full-1.2.11.exe
> > > wine: created the configuration directory '/home/michael/.wine'
> > > 0012:err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for
> > > interface {0131---c000-0046}
> > > 0012:err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for
> > > interface {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}
> > > 0012:err:ole:StdMarshalImpl_MarshalInterface Failed to create ifstub,
> > > hres=0x80004002
> > > 0012:err:ole:CoMarshalInterface Failed to marshal the interface
> > > {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}, 80004002
> > > 0012:err:ole:get_local_server_stream Failed: 80004002
> > > 0014:err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for
> > > interface {0131---c000-0046}
> > > 0014:err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for
> > > interface {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}
> > > 0014:err:ole:StdMarshalImpl_MarshalInterface Failed to create ifstub,
> > > hres=0x80004002
> > > 0014:err:ole:CoMarshalInterface Failed to marshal the interface
> > > {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}, 80004002
> > > 0014:err:ole:get_local_server_stream Failed: 80004002
> > > Could not find Wine Gecko. HTML rendering will be disabled.
> > > Could not find Wine Gecko. HTML rendering will be disabled.
> > > wine: configuration in L"/home/michael/.wine" has been updated.
> > > 0009:err:module:__wine_process_init
> > > L"C:\\windows\\system32\\nikcollection-full-1.2.11.exe" not found
> > >
> > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 7:20 AM Michael  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I need to install the google NIK plugin so I can do HDR in gimp. I get
> > > > confused easily. Can someone help me install NIK and get it running so
> > > > I can follow the book I got to teach me Gimp ? And if you would be
> > > > willing, help me with learning how to do HDR?
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: HDR with GIMP

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

You know actually I just want to be able to turn the following arw
files into the jpg the linux way. With Gimp or darktable or some other
linux way:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1b-ZmJv-vu1vqh9ZaQBhOU9c5qeibjOME?usp=sharing

On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 7:52 AM Michael  wrote:
>
> Goofy me the instructions said it would not be able to create
> directories and so to create the directories manually and then he gave
> the commands. Well it did not give me the error I expected so I
> thought I had a different error. Well, I was wrong. I entered the
> mkdir  commands and everything ran.
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 7:39 AM Michael  wrote:
> >
> > this is the error I get after following the instructions found :
> > https://www.evolware.org/?p=440
> >
> > $ wine nikcollection-full-1.2.11.exe
> > wine: created the configuration directory '/home/michael/.wine'
> > 0012:err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for
> > interface {0131---c000-0046}
> > 0012:err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for
> > interface {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}
> > 0012:err:ole:StdMarshalImpl_MarshalInterface Failed to create ifstub,
> > hres=0x80004002
> > 0012:err:ole:CoMarshalInterface Failed to marshal the interface
> > {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}, 80004002
> > 0012:err:ole:get_local_server_stream Failed: 80004002
> > 0014:err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for
> > interface {0131---c000-0046}
> > 0014:err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for
> > interface {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}
> > 0014:err:ole:StdMarshalImpl_MarshalInterface Failed to create ifstub,
> > hres=0x80004002
> > 0014:err:ole:CoMarshalInterface Failed to marshal the interface
> > {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}, 80004002
> > 0014:err:ole:get_local_server_stream Failed: 80004002
> > Could not find Wine Gecko. HTML rendering will be disabled.
> > Could not find Wine Gecko. HTML rendering will be disabled.
> > wine: configuration in L"/home/michael/.wine" has been updated.
> > 0009:err:module:__wine_process_init
> > L"C:\\windows\\system32\\nikcollection-full-1.2.11.exe" not found
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 7:20 AM Michael  wrote:
> > >
> > > I need to install the google NIK plugin so I can do HDR in gimp. I get
> > > confused easily. Can someone help me install NIK and get it running so
> > > I can follow the book I got to teach me Gimp ? And if you would be
> > > willing, help me with learning how to do HDR?
> > >
> > > --
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> >
> >
> >
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Re: HDR with GIMP

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

Goofy me the instructions said it would not be able to create
directories and so to create the directories manually and then he gave
the commands. Well it did not give me the error I expected so I
thought I had a different error. Well, I was wrong. I entered the
mkdir  commands and everything ran.

On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 7:39 AM Michael  wrote:
>
> this is the error I get after following the instructions found :
> https://www.evolware.org/?p=440
>
> $ wine nikcollection-full-1.2.11.exe
> wine: created the configuration directory '/home/michael/.wine'
> 0012:err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for
> interface {0131---c000-0046}
> 0012:err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for
> interface {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}
> 0012:err:ole:StdMarshalImpl_MarshalInterface Failed to create ifstub,
> hres=0x80004002
> 0012:err:ole:CoMarshalInterface Failed to marshal the interface
> {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}, 80004002
> 0012:err:ole:get_local_server_stream Failed: 80004002
> 0014:err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for
> interface {0131---c000-0046}
> 0014:err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for
> interface {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}
> 0014:err:ole:StdMarshalImpl_MarshalInterface Failed to create ifstub,
> hres=0x80004002
> 0014:err:ole:CoMarshalInterface Failed to marshal the interface
> {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}, 80004002
> 0014:err:ole:get_local_server_stream Failed: 80004002
> Could not find Wine Gecko. HTML rendering will be disabled.
> Could not find Wine Gecko. HTML rendering will be disabled.
> wine: configuration in L"/home/michael/.wine" has been updated.
> 0009:err:module:__wine_process_init
> L"C:\\windows\\system32\\nikcollection-full-1.2.11.exe" not found
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 7:20 AM Michael  wrote:
> >
> > I need to install the google NIK plugin so I can do HDR in gimp. I get
> > confused easily. Can someone help me install NIK and get it running so
> > I can follow the book I got to teach me Gimp ? And if you would be
> > willing, help me with learning how to do HDR?
> >
> > --
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>
>
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Re: HDR with GIMP

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

this is the error I get after following the instructions found :
https://www.evolware.org/?p=440

$ wine nikcollection-full-1.2.11.exe
wine: created the configuration directory '/home/michael/.wine'
0012:err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for
interface {0131---c000-0046}
0012:err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for
interface {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}
0012:err:ole:StdMarshalImpl_MarshalInterface Failed to create ifstub,
hres=0x80004002
0012:err:ole:CoMarshalInterface Failed to marshal the interface
{6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}, 80004002
0012:err:ole:get_local_server_stream Failed: 80004002
0014:err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for
interface {0131---c000-0046}
0014:err:ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for
interface {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}
0014:err:ole:StdMarshalImpl_MarshalInterface Failed to create ifstub,
hres=0x80004002
0014:err:ole:CoMarshalInterface Failed to marshal the interface
{6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}, 80004002
0014:err:ole:get_local_server_stream Failed: 80004002
Could not find Wine Gecko. HTML rendering will be disabled.
Could not find Wine Gecko. HTML rendering will be disabled.
wine: configuration in L"/home/michael/.wine" has been updated.
0009:err:module:__wine_process_init
L"C:\\windows\\system32\\nikcollection-full-1.2.11.exe" not found

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>
> I need to install the google NIK plugin so I can do HDR in gimp. I get
> confused easily. Can someone help me install NIK and get it running so
> I can follow the book I got to teach me Gimp ? And if you would be
> willing, help me with learning how to do HDR?
>
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HDR with GIMP

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

I need to install the google NIK plugin so I can do HDR in gimp. I get
confused easily. Can someone help me install NIK and get it running so
I can follow the book I got to teach me Gimp ? And if you would be
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Re: kindle fire sd card

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nevermind. she only had 3 apps so I told her download them again

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 10:25 AM Michael  wrote:
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> My wife just got an sd card for her kindle fire 7 and I don't know
> what to do. I plugged it in go to settings>storage>move apps to sd
> card and it says that it is moving them only to say 0 apps moved to
> your sd card. What am I doing wrong?
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kindle fire sd card

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My wife just got an sd card for her kindle fire 7 and I don't know
what to do. I plugged it in go to settings>storage>move apps to sd
card and it says that it is moving them only to say 0 apps moved to
your sd card. What am I doing wrong?
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Re: pulseaudio, analog sound output, and WHAT?

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Thank you so much for that.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:13 AM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Oh joy!
>
> I really wish the developers had not taken this route with pulse audio.
> Because of this, I have had no end of issues when trying to output screen
> reader audio to my headphones using a standard stereo audio output. My
> machine has SpDIF and HDMI outputs as well as analog, yet I have not been
> able to get analog working with any degree of functionality. I literally
> have to ssh into that machine and run console based programs because I
> can’t interact with that machine directly.
>
> Thanks for the info on where to locate good example programs. Btw, the
> machine in question is my RaspberryPi 3 that I was trying to setup for the
> seeing with sound project.
>
> -Eric
> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Technical difficulties
> resolution Dept.
>
>
> > On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:58 AM, Matt Graham via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> >
> > The firefox developers have basically said, "The microphone on your
> computer won't work at all unless you use pulseaudio."[0]  I've been trying
> to avoid pulseaudio for various reasons.[1]  But since Thanksgiving is
> canceled this year, I'll have to see the family virtually, and why not do
> that with bigbluebutton.org ?  This led me to a twisty maze of
> unwarranted assumptions and outright stupidity, which I will try to
> summarize below.  TL;DR: pulseaudio hates analog audio and making analog
> audio work properly requires editing config files by hand.
> >
> > I first tried building pulseaudio and firefox with the pulseaudio USE
> flag on my laptop.  This worked almost perfectly.  I expected this to work
> basically identically on my desktop, because both machines use sound cards
> that are driven by the snd_hda_intel module.  Nope!
> >
> > pulseaudio has a strong preference for digital audio.  Its autodetection
> will select the first digital device it finds as the default audio output.
> For me, this was the HDMI output... which is hooked up to the TV, which is
> almost never on.  My actual sound card was also found, but it wasn't the
> default output, and it was set to output sound to the iec-958-stereo-output
> (S/PDIF jack).  I do not have anything plugged in to that.  Setting the
> default output to the analog sound card didn't work; pulseaudio refused to
> write any data to the analog card.
> >
> > I found a solution at
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Examples , link
> "Simultaneous HDMI and analog output".  If a digital device exists,
> pulseaudio refuses to send data to analog devices unless it can *also* send
> data to a digital device.  This makes no sense.  I have no idea how
> ordinary users would deal with this problem.  The solution was to put the
> lines:
> >
> > # make pulseaudio work with analog and digital things at
> > # the same time.  Load analog device (NOTE: use aplay -l
> > # to find the hw: numbers for the device you need, they
> > # will be displayed as "card X: (name) device Y: and you
> > # need to put those numbers in there.  X and Y for me
> > # were both 0 because my analog card's first on the
> > # PCI bus.  YMMV.)
> > load-module module-alsa-sink device=hw:X,Y
> > load-module module-combine-sink sink_name=combined
> > set-default-sink combined
> >
> > ...up at the top of the /etc/pulse/default.pa file.  I have no idea how
> Mint/Ubuntu et al would handle this for ordinary users.  There is no way to
> do any of this with the slightly more user-friendly pavucontrol[2].  I've
> had these speakers for 21 years, which may be a bit unusual, but are people
> really abandoning analog sound?  Regardless, I'm leaving this here in the
> hopes that some crawler will find it and some search engine will lead
> someone to a quicker fix than the multiple-hour @#%^ing around I had to do.
> >
> > [0] "Select the audio input and output devices that exist and put them
> into 2 lists, have user choose speaker/mike from those 2 lists" is
> apparently much more difficult with ALSA than with pulseaudio or whatever
> OS X/Doze provides.  Or the firefox developers are lazy and clueless.
> >
> > [1] Poettering, nuff said.
> >
> > [2] Our UX experts have determined that the best way to deal is to
> pretend we're a phone!  So the menubar doesn't act like a menubar acts in
> real applications!  Isn't that edgy and disruptive?
> >
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Re: install BABL

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

it did thank you for your expert care!

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 11:57 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:
>
> Sounds like you need to do what I had to do then.  Go ahead and
> uninstall everything gimp related on the system and then reinstall
> gimp.  That should take care of your problems.
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On 11/13/20 9:08 AM, Michael wrote:
> > yes I had otto's ppa then I installed the flatpak but I want to
> > use darktable to load raws into gimp so I had to reinstall the apt
> > version. The gentleman that told me that I needed to reinstall the apt
> > version then told me otto's version was no longer maintained and he
> > gave me a ppa that is current..
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 11:00 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
> >  wrote:
> >> Have you had a PPA version installed on this machine in the past.  I got
> >> lots of errors like that when the PPA version fell behind of the distro
> >> version but had dependencies that wouldn't allow the distro version to
> >> install all it's dependencies.
> >> I was able to fix is by getting rid of the old PPA and then deleting
> >> everything gimp related off the system and then reinstalling gimp from
> >> the distros repositories.
> >>
> >> Brian Cluff
> >>
> >> On 11/12/20 8:29 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>> This is bizarre. I installed gimp with apt (I had it installed with
> >>> flAtpak) and it wouldn't start after the install. so I opened up a
> >>> terminal to capture any error. This is what I got:
> >>>
> >>> BABL version too old!
> >>>
> >>> GIMP requires BABL version 0.1.78 or later.
> >>> Installed BABL version is 0.1.74.
> >>>
> >>> Somehow you or your software packager managed
> >>> to install GIMP with an older BABL version.
> >>>
> >>> Please upgrade to BABL version 0.1.78 or later.
> >>>
> >>> would someone help me put the right version in? I tried to apt it in
> >>> but that didn't work.
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Re: install BABL

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

yes I had otto's ppa then I installed the flatpak but I want to
use darktable to load raws into gimp so I had to reinstall the apt
version. The gentleman that told me that I needed to reinstall the apt
version then told me otto's version was no longer maintained and he
gave me a ppa that is current..

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 11:00 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:
>
> Have you had a PPA version installed on this machine in the past.  I got
> lots of errors like that when the PPA version fell behind of the distro
> version but had dependencies that wouldn't allow the distro version to
> install all it's dependencies.
> I was able to fix is by getting rid of the old PPA and then deleting
> everything gimp related off the system and then reinstalling gimp from
> the distros repositories.
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On 11/12/20 8:29 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > This is bizarre. I installed gimp with apt (I had it installed with
> > flAtpak) and it wouldn't start after the install. so I opened up a
> > terminal to capture any error. This is what I got:
> >
> > BABL version too old!
> >
> > GIMP requires BABL version 0.1.78 or later.
> > Installed BABL version is 0.1.74.
> >
> > Somehow you or your software packager managed
> > to install GIMP with an older BABL version.
> >
> > Please upgrade to BABL version 0.1.78 or later.
> >
> > would someone help me put the right version in? I tried to apt it in
> > but that didn't work.
>
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install BABL

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

This is bizarre. I installed gimp with apt (I had it installed with
flAtpak) and it wouldn't start after the install. so I opened up a
terminal to capture any error. This is what I got:

BABL version too old!

GIMP requires BABL version 0.1.78 or later.
Installed BABL version is 0.1.74.

Somehow you or your software packager managed
to install GIMP with an older BABL version.

Please upgrade to BABL version 0.1.78 or later.

would someone help me put the right version in? I tried to apt it in
but that didn't work.
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