Re: a tidbit I just discovered you may like

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Unfortunately (because I really like this hotkey, too), it is only 
preconfigured to do something (snapping of windows to a portion of the screen) 
for some distributions.
I mostly find it works in KDE systems and Gnome, but not necessarily all 
distributions.

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the windows button plus the arrow buttons does something.
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Fully automatic install (FAI) isn't automated enough

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Hello everyone.

I recently tried setting up an FAI server (fai-project.org) to PXE boot an 
automatic install of Linux to a machine.
There is one major problem, in my opinion:
It isn't automated enough

To use the PXE functionality, one needs to either assign every MAC address in 
ISC-DHCP configs (and I know you can do a range of MAC addresses, I just don't 
know what to use since we have a variety of laptops) and I think the IP needs 
to be set in /etc/hosts.
(Source: 
[https://fai-project.org/fai-guide/\#\_a\_id\_bootdhcp\_a\_configuration\_of\_the\_dhcp\_daemon][https_fai-project.org_fai-guide_a_id_bootdhcp_a_configuration_of_the_dhcp_daemon]
 )

Alternatively, I can make a FAI USB that will search for the monitoring FAI 
server.
But this requires booting to the USB every time, which means moving the USB(s) 
across laptops as it gets figured out.
(Source: 
[https://fai-project.org/fai-guide/\#autodiscover][https_fai-project.org_fai-guide_autodiscover]
 )

So... Does anyone know a PXE install server that will install a Linux system 
and only needs the computer to boot through PXE to make it happen, and doesn't 
have a requirement to specify MAC addresses?

Or perhaps there is a way to make ISC-DHCP not need to care about the MAC 
address used..?
I dunno, at this point, let me know what you all think.


[https_fai-project.org_fai-guide_a_id_bootdhcp_a_configuration_of_the_dhcp_daemon]:
 
https://fai-project.org/fai-guide/#_a_id_bootdhcp_a_configuration_of_the_dhcp_daemon
[https_fai-project.org_fai-guide_autodiscover]: 
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AZ Loco still gathering for Installfests?

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Someone mentioned wanting to regrow a community tech swap meet, and wanting it 
to have a community of people for it.
He mentioned liking the idea of it being a bunch of people and maybe there 
would be some people to help with stuff like Linux installs.

I remembered AZLoco had installfests, but they had to change due to covid.
Are Installfests still going on? I would like to get in contact with them to 
try and see if they can work



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Re: OT: Linux Laptops

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You could do a frame.work PC.

There are plenty of people in the Linux community that run Linux on 
these devices, including myself.


Laptops using the previous generation of CPU start at $800 (not 
including tax), but if you are willing to do the simple construction of 
the laptop, they will shave about $200 off for you, making it $600.


See here: https://frame.work/products/laptop-diy-11-gen-intel

For that matter, I was wanting to get the upgrade kit to get the 12th 
gen CPU, as well, so if you are in Arizona, I am willing to sell you the 
CPU/motherboard for $100 less that the site sell it for. You could get 
all the pieces of the laptop, except the board, handle it like the DIY 
edition, and you'd buy my board, that I'm using to type this to you on, 
if you'd like something even cheaper.


Just email me directly if you have interest: privateseab...@pm.me


Lastly, for compatibility: I've gotten QubesOS to work on this laptop, 
and that is kind of my benchmark for how well a system works with Linux. 
Now I just need Qubes to update their kernel 1 minor version to make the 
802.11ax WiFi card function.



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The raspberry pi 4 has the Bluetooth 5.0 and no one has had any complaints. I 
just took my laptop to the shop for hardware problems and to replace my HDD in 
it. But I like what I see on Linuxforlaptops and may look more into it.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022, at 07:30, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

GOD is so good to me. I may be in the market for a new computer
linuxforlaptops also has NUCs (which I was looking for. I do have a
question about it though:
WIll I have a problem with the Intel AX201 WiFi tot 2400 Mbps +
Bluetooth 5.1
(https://laptopwithlinux.com/product/intel-nuc11-linux-mini-computer/)

On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 10:08 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss
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Am 24. Aug, 2022 schwätzte Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss so:

moin moin,


I have been looking around for Linux laptops and finding most in the
U.S. are quite expensive. But then I came upon a web site that's called
"Linux for laptops" it's located in the Netherlands and a person can
configure what they want on it from Distro, Storage to memory. Has
anyone else familiar with this site or has ordered from them or any
dealings with them.

I don't remember running into this group. Thanks for pointing them out.
Will check them out.

If ordering from the EU there might be a couple things to be aware of.

A couple months back I bought a laptop from Tuxedo Computing in
Germany. My budget was higher than yours. I don't know if they have
something in your range. For me they were the only place I could find with
AMD for laptops at that particular time.

When I checked out they dropped the Mehrwertsteuer ( VAT tax ), which was
$100+, but then charged $100 for shipping to the US. In the end the total
checkout price was $30 or $50 less than the listed price, I don't remember
exactly. NE likely also drops the VAT tax at checkout, no idea what they
do for shipping.

The delivery took less than a week from checkout. That was likely
abnormally fast.


I'm just trying to find a decent priced laptop for running Linux on.  Here is 
the link.
https://laptopwithlinux.com/

I also bought some discount acer spin laptops for the family ( what I'm
using right now ). They have been good and were about $850. I specifically
wanted touchscreen with full foldover to touchpad mode for those. There
were a couple small gotchas for the install, but I had found a guide to
the install before buying them. They've been great thus far. They've
performed well for light Krita work.

The Destination Linux and Linux Unplugged podcasts have both covered Linux
laptops on their shows this Summer. It was mostly about latest, greatest,
coolest stuff, so likely all at the higher end of the pricescale. Show
notes probably have links to what they covered.

ciao,

der.hans
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Re: Ultrathin Laptop ...

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My most recent laptop is like this.
Frame.work is what I have and would recommend.
Perhaps it has more power than you are needing, as RDP would mean remote 
processing, though?

> Seeking input on ultrathin laptops that can run Linux adequately well.

> Prefer a 15" screen, but don't care about much else, as it's only "real"
> job will be to host an RDP session to my Workstation and Server.

> I know a lot of laptops can run Linux, but I was hoping to get feedback
> from real world usage.

> Ultrathin and 2-3 pounds is desired.





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Using a VPN for Security

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There are a few interpretations to your question.
If you mean for a company or homelab, yes, you can use a VPN and you 
internal systems are more likely to be safer from the outside, because 
malicious actors need to figure out how to access the internal network 
before being able to access the internal infrastructure. VPN prevents 
the internal infrastructure from being open to the internet, most of the 
time.
Because of how VPNs work it also prevents your users from getting 
credentials stolen from a public WiFi they decided to use that day, 
assuming you encrypt the VPN traffic (see next section).


That being said, if you are wanting a VPN for daily life, the areas you 
increase protection would include
Going on public, or less trusted WiFi networks. Most public VPNs that 
advertise security will provide encryption to their servers before 
sending their traffic to the place you want it to go,
Some people use VPNs to prevent their ISPs/telephone providers from 
knowing what kind of traffic goes to/from you,
And lastly, some people just use them to change where it looks like the 
user is located, since most places use the location of an IP to 
determine where someone is located.

Maybe there are more things, but these were the main that came to mind.

As for "which is the best"... The answer I give is "which is better for 
you?":
Some people will say "make your own!" is the best. Most people can buy a 
VPS from a cloud provider and setup something like wireguard on the 
server to hook up to a phone.
You know the provider of the VPN will not snoop on your traffic, because 
YOU are the provider; you will have as much internet as you pay for, not 
as much as the VPN provider has at that time on a server; and you likely 
will not have as many places blocking you for being on a VPN (as those 
places block IPs from VPN providers).
The benefit of the providers,  however is a much larger selection of IPs 
and different locations to easily connect your VPN to, they maintain the 
servers, and you will be one user among many who connect to a website 
(the single IP from your VPS, and it always being you who connects can 
allow for correlation as to whom is connecting), along with other 
features sometimes.


So, if you are going for security, cheap, and generally works well? Make 
your own.
If you want anonymity, many countries to connect from, and low 
maintenance? Do a trusted public one.

"BUT WHO CAN YOU TRUST! THERE ARE SO MANY!"
Yeaaa, I generally just look here and pick one: 
https://www.privacytools.io/#vpn


Mullvad tends to be regarded as the best option for people who do not 
make their own and for minor reasons such as "you can send cash" and... 
something about how they handle usernames, but many people prefer 
ProtonVPN.  I'm sure the others in the list are fine, too.


Hope this wasn't too much info and that it help!



try Wireguard

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Hi,

One of the things I see suggested for security is using a VPN.  Any
thoughts and which is the best?

What should I look for?

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Re: valve onboarding suckath

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This worked for me:

I went to a Starbucks,
Started a live-boot USB,
Got on the public WiFi for their public IP (valve,
Put in a simple login email,
Received the email, and confirmed it with the link they provided from a
cell phone on a VPN,
Made a password of about 20 characters with upper/lowercase letters,
spaces, and an exclamation point, I think it was ..? on the redirected
page on my laptop,
Got logged off, so logged in, again, on the PC.
and account, I had!

Not sure if this is something worth the trouble to do for most people
who are not conveniently there, but... it worked.



moin moin,

the SteamDeck looks great. Valve has done a lot to work with Linux and
Free Software even putting out info on how to modify the SteamDeck if you
can get one.

The first step to get a SteamDeck is to setup an account in order to order one.

But, the signon hasn't been working for me.

I keep getting "The password you entered is not allowed. Plea

se select a

different password, with at least 8 characters."

Y'all know I would not default to something less than dozens of
characters, so a short password is not the problem.

I've tried with reduced special characters, without special characters,
with only 8 characters and many, many other things.

All the support options for valve presume you have an account, so not way
of contacting them. If this is what their customer support is like then
they really suck even if they are supporting Free Software.

I allowed all the JavaScript, cookies and crap and it still doesn't work.
I created a container and installed chromium and it still doesn't work.

I'm tired of working for free for Valve, but I'd really like to get a
steamdeck for kidling.

Has anyone craeted a new account recently and knows the secret to getting
their site to work or getting them to actually respond?

ciao,




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Scripting/automation method/language

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Hello Linux folk.

I'm making some bash scripts, mostly for templating purposes.
In the past, I've used bash scripts to make basic configs of systems.

Eventually I went to ansible, but came across trouble pushing to some OSs, as 
they needed python installed to work with ansible, but was not installed by 
default. (I might be misremembering the tool used if this is wrong, but this 
doesn't matter too much)

I am asked the obvious question of "if you are templating entire files, why 
aren't you using something \*other\* than bash like python?".

My answer was that my computer doesn't have python installed, and though I know 
most do, I don't want to force admins to install python (and get root 
permissions and approval by the security team to install and etc...) to use my 
utility. I'd rather it be usable immediately, which means it will always be 
usable if written in bash.

So I ask you admins and general users this: what do you think about this 
situation?

Is it worth writing the program in python for possibly more readable and easier 
to write/maintain code?
Or is shell scripting more worth it for the accessibility to any POSIX system 
without need for extra work to install, run, then uninstall afterward any other 
scripting language?
Is this situation rare?
Or is the answer just going to be different dependent on what the scripts do?

What do you think?



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Re: wifi and arch (or perhaps I should say systemd or iwd)

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Actually, I'd say

[bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli device wifi connect  -a

So you don't have to put the password into the command line, and thus your 
history file.

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About being able to login from the resort. How would I login to a network
that does not require a password? I think:


[bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli radio wifi
enabled
[bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli device wifi connect  password 

or

[bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli radio wifi
enabled
[bmike1@HavensARCH ~]$ nmcli device wifi connect 


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Re: Squid Proxy question

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If you want, I can do a more specific containers presentation and be more 
specific on the configs for multiple domains on my 1 IP. (The nginx + ssl part 
that I didn't present on)

Yes, you can use NAT, and in fact, I need to, because my servers don't use root 
ports.
But that doesn't affect the domain/subdomains selected.

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any chance this could be done as a class at one of the meetings
Keith
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> depending on what you are doing you can also have a single IP for all
> sorts of domains all sorted by apache or Nginx. But it all classifies as HA
> proxy
>
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>> You want HA Proxy to do what you want. YouTube Lawrence systems HA Proxy.
>> He has great video tutorials on it.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On Jun 20, 2021, at 12:39 PM, keith Miller via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> > I have installed and been working now PfSense firewall awesome product
>> > I have about 9 domain I host from home and through lack of knowledge
>> also have 8 static IP's for those domains
>> > I have known about Squid proxy and I BELIEVE its ability to allow me to
>> host all 8 domain behind one public IP
>> > pfsense has a installable module for squid proxy is my ASSUMPTION
>> correct about what squid proxy does and if I install it
>> > will it mess with my working domain right now.
>> >
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Free DNS for TLS Automation

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Hello all.

I saw others talking about ISPconfig and that it wasn't a great option for 
something simple.

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BBB VS Jitsi

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Hello all.
I'm trying to figure out which good voice chat/screen share software is 
relatively easily implemented and utilized. I tend to prefer to build systems 
in containers, so if the dev has a dockerfile for it, that is a +1!

These are the main two that I know can do both screen share and voice chat. I 
plan to use this for helping very nontechnical people.
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Re: Need talks for Thu

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I would volunteer to, but I'm not sure I'll be making it this time. Sorry.

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moin moin,
I'm working on getting something really interesting for March, but don't
yet have anything for this week.
Do you have a presentation or recommendation for something we can get for
Thursday night in BigBlueButton?
Aside from the meeting Stammtisch next Tuesday, Perseverance is also
landing on Mars next week. Our last in person meeting was a panel of
people working on multiple aspects of that mission.
I'm looking forward to the landing and would have loved to join the
Planeteary Society in Pasadena for the event.
I'll still enjoy it online.
ciao,
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Re: Built for Failure

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At least 3 drives in a machine.
I have two machines, but I don't know how to spread my storage across them.

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On Dec 30, 2020, 5:59 PM, Stephen Partington wrote:

> How many drive are you looking to spin up at one time? Across how many 
> machines?
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 5:39 PM Seabass via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>
>> That is a good question.
>> Probably not, though.
>>
>> Have a software raid version? I need to check what these have, but I don't 
>> think there is much beyond raid1 and raid0.
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> On Dec 30, 2020, 4:02 PM, Rusty Ramser < rusty_ram...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Seabass.
>>>
>>> RAID-6 comes to mind, since it will support two disk failures 
>>> simultaneously... and it sounds like you just may experience that with 
>>> these disks. Does your disk controller hardware/software support 
>>> configuring a RAID-6 array?
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>> From: PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Seabass via PLUG-discuss
>>> Sent: Thursday, 31 December 2020 11:01
>>> To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>>> Cc: Seabass 
>>> Subject: Built for Failure
>>>
>>> Weird question:
>>>
>>> I can get a bunch of ancient (~2013) HDDs. Each have varying amounts of 
>>> space, and few (if any) are ever the same size.
>>>
>>> These were marked to be disposed, though that is just because of age or 
>>> having plenty that are better. Thus I can take them. However, them being 
>>> this old, and having found about 3 that eventually broke or never worked, 
>>> I'm left with this question:
>>>
>>> Because purchasing new drives takes too long (no idea when/if they would 
>>> arrive), I can take as many of the decommissioned drives I'd like. Seeing 
>>> as some failed, how does one build a system that is resilient to drives 
>>> failing?
>>>
>>> It can be reset as much as wanted, hardware is literally in arm's reach, 
>>> and there is not burning need for it to be up immediately.
>>> There is also massive (comparatively) external drive space and as many live 
>>> boot USBs as one might desire.
>>>
>>> So how would one build a system that is designed expecting HDD failure 
>>> regularly?
>>>
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Re: Built for Failure

[Seabass via PLUG-discuss]

That is a good question.
Probably not, though.

Have a software raid version? I need to check what these have, but I don't 
think there is much beyond raid1 and raid0.

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On Dec 30, 2020, 4:02 PM, Rusty Ramser wrote:

> Hi, Seabass.
>
> RAID-6 comes to mind, since it will support two disk failures 
> simultaneously... and it sounds like you just may experience that with these 
> disks. Does your disk controller hardware/software support configuring a 
> RAID-6 array?
>
> Cheers.
>
> From: PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] On Behalf 
> Of Seabass via PLUG-discuss
> Sent: Thursday, 31 December 2020 11:01
> To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> Cc: Seabass 
> Subject: Built for Failure
>
> Weird question:
>
> I can get a bunch of ancient (~2013) HDDs. Each have varying amounts of 
> space, and few (if any) are ever the same size.
>
> These were marked to be disposed, though that is just because of age or 
> having plenty that are better. Thus I can take them. However, them being this 
> old, and having found about 3 that eventually broke or never worked, I'm left 
> with this question:
>
> Because purchasing new drives takes too long (no idea when/if they would 
> arrive), I can take as many of the decommissioned drives I'd like. Seeing as 
> some failed, how does one build a system that is resilient to drives failing?
>
> It can be reset as much as wanted, hardware is literally in arm's reach, and 
> there is not burning need for it to be up immediately.
> There is also massive (comparatively) external drive space and as many live 
> boot USBs as one might desire.
>
> So how would one build a system that is designed expecting HDD failure 
> regularly?---
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Built for Failure

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Weird question:

I can get a bunch of ancient (~2013) HDDs. Each have varying amounts of space, 
and few (if any) are ever the same size.

These were marked to be disposed, though that is just because of age or having 
plenty that are better. Thus I can take them. However, them being this old, and 
having found about 3 that eventually broke or never worked, I'm left with this 
question:

Because purchasing new drives takes too long (no idea when/if they would 
arrive), I can take as many of the decommissioned drives I'd like. Seeing as 
some failed, how does one build a system that is resilient to drives failing?

It can be reset as much as wanted, hardware is literally in arm's reach, and 
there is not burning need for it to be up immediately.
There is also massive (comparatively) external drive space and as many live 
boot USBs as one might desire.

So how would one build a system that is designed expecting HDD failure 
regularly?---
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Re: Nextcloud photos backups

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You don't want to use command line tools to remove files from nextcloud unless 
it is the occ tool.
You were right, in relation to the trashbin; the database has an entry and all 
the files have something the correlate to. This is especially the case if your 
data is encrypted, because then there is a third decryption key folder.

The trash bin has entries in the database too, I'm pretty sure, but occ has a 
command for clearing all trashbins. Just use that. There is probably something 
like that for versions, too.

Lastly, if you do rm the files, I'm pretty sure you won't see any errors or 
anything, but the entries will still be in your database. Been a while since I 
had this issue myself, but that is what I recall.
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 08:35:34 -0700
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You can’t use the web interface to download the files / folder in bulk and then 
choose to delete after diffing those folders to a file to see what it does? I 
would probably do that.

> On Nov 21, 2020, at 1:41 AM, der.hans via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>
> moin moin,
>
> I have an old experiemental Nextcloud install where I saved some files and
> other documents. I don't care about anything else I played with. I also
> don't care about shared links because they should not have been available
> anyway :).
>
> If I just want to backup the files I can backup $ncdatadir/$user/files and
> get everything?
>
> Also, if this were still active, could I just rm files to remove them from
> Nextcloud?
>
> I see there are also files_trashbin and files_versions, so it seems I
> might have to root around in those to make sure it's truly gone from the
> system.
>
> I'm certain that removing them removes them, but not sure if Nextcloud
> will then continue looking for them until the end of time ...
>
> ciao,
>
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Re: DDR4 Memory for Mac

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Is memory in Mac only compatible with Macs?
I'd take it but don't know if that is a thing.

___

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Re: Usable screenshot tools

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Flameshot is my favorite tool. Has many more functionalities than most and they 
are quite nice.
I use xorg with i3, but I've used it on gnome and KDE, so surely it works with 
Wayland.

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I don't use KDE however I've used Flameshot for a couple of years now
and it's always worked flawlessly in GNOME under Wayland and Xorg.

https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/flameshot/

On Sun, 2020-11-01 at 19:20 -0700, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
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> Since my last (arch) system update, I can't seem to find any
> screenshot tools that work anymore in kde. Wondering if anyone has
> any recommendations what works for them lately
>
> I've used spectacle from kde for like a decade now as one of my
> favorite tools, and just as of a few months ago, it's gone to hell
> for me, and just crashes if I try to take a screenshot of a selected
> area. Trying shutter recently from gnome, it sort of works at times,
> other times tends to crash when trying to take a screenshot of a
> selected area as well. I've tried some others I've already forgotten
> the names of a while back, nothing seems to work anymore.
>
> I somewhat blame stupid wayland shenanigans in change, I'm not even
> using wayland, but all the major kde news is about wayland, that
> seems to just be bringing the whole thing down around their ankles.
> Whatever kde is doing lately is just bringing it back 10 years in
> stability.
>
> It's so hard to find good software these days.
>
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Re: swap file vs swap partition

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Defragmentation should be an issue for you on an SSD, even if there is some, 
right?

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On 2020-10-28 16:24, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:43:22 -0700
> Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss  wrote:
>> The biggest difference is, files can become fragmented while
>> partitions don't.
> I had no idea there was such a thing as a Linux swap file. I guess
> that's a recent thing.

You could use a file as swap space in the early 2000s. I remember
doing that on a few machines then.

> If my partition file becomes fragmented, is there a way for me
> to defragment it?

Probably not. However, file fragmentation is not generally a problem
on modern machines because disks and CPUs are much faster than they were
in 1998. If you use ext4 and have a disk that's less than 10 years old
and less than 95% full, you will not notice anything. /swapfile on my
laptop has 11 extents and it doesn't seem to have any problems.

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Re: swap file vs swap partition

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I tend to prefer swapfiles.
Doesn't require a partition, so it can be resized easily and won't require you 
to know the partition number. (Opinion: fewer partitions is just easier)
It is encrypted swap when on a fully encrypted drive without needing more 
partitioning work.

I don't actually know a reason to make swap a partition over a swapfile. I 
imagine there is a partition setting somehow or maybe the inability to resize 
is desirable, but that hasn't been my use case before.

To be fair though... I don't use hibernate so don't really need a swap either. 
So it is rare I'd need it anyway.
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 21:22:57 -0700
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Regarding swap file vs swap partition: Is one better than the other?
When I installed Kubuntu on my machine, both options were available and
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Re: PLUG-discuss Digest, Vol 184, Issue 2

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I tend to use draw.io for any visio style needs.

What kinds of things do you find in visio that you don't find in other software?

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 18:05:03 -0700
From: Michael Butash 
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Kind of interesting, I've been testing this lately, and love this inside my
linux-based virtualbox vm. I use linux as a full-time Arch OS, windoze as
a vm, but I need Visio as almost the defacto network engineer documentation
tool since 2000. Paying for Windoze licensing to only call me a pirate
every few months when I change my VM/hardware and for the past 15+ years of
using linux for everything, I'm tired
I found this on Linus Tech Tips, normally he's annoying, but this was
interesting .
I only use windoze for visio, project, or other things that really no good
alternatives exist for (still), so be it. This win10 ameliorated edition
is great for me, it runs almost like xp speed in doing what I need to do,
removing all the spyware/telemetry, with at least some modern security, but
since I don't even enable it's virtual nic, works great. I just share
files with local folders through the vbox plugins for file access.
Funny in light of news Microsoft contributing to the Linux kernel to make
windoze itself a proper hypervisor layer upon linux. It'll end up like
Android, another bastard running atop a linux kernel, with "alternative"
licensing means, but seeing I've paid the microsoft tax for 25 years now,
they owe me, not the other way around.
As someone that doesn't use microsoft, hates microsoft, wishes they'd sell
off visio to a proper company as the only thing I use windoze for, I'm
really liking this. Some quirks, but ping me on the side, I've got it
working nicely for visio and other things under windoze.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=windows+ameliorated+edition
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Re: talks for Thursday

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I have someone.
Emailing you.

moin moin,
I've been striking out on getting talks for Thursday :(.
Anyone have something they want to do?
Since we're remote, we can have remote presenters if you know someone out
of town you've been wanting to get in for us.
I do have one talk set for next month

"Circular Datacenter - Natural partners for FLOSS and Open Hardware"
The Circular Datacenter is the idea that we can reuse datacenter
components and recertify them to new markets. This talk describes the
supply chain that the circular datacenter creates, and how we can leverage
that to build sustainable computational power that naturally allies itself
to free and open source software and open hardware.

ciao,
der.hans
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Sorry - back in classes, free time all gone
On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 2:05 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> moin moin,
>
> I've been striking out on getting talks for Thursday :(.
>
> Anyone have something they want to do?
>
> Since we're remote, we can have remote presenters if you know someone out
> of town you've been wanting to get in for us.
>
> I do have one talk set for next month
>
> 
> "Circular Datacenter - Natural partners for FLOSS and Open Hardware"
>
> The Circular Datacenter is the idea that we can reuse datacenter
> components and recertify them to new markets. This talk describes the
> supply chain that the circular datacenter creates, and how we can leverage
> that to build sustainable computational power that naturally allies itself
> to free and open source software and open hardware.
> 
>
> ciao,
>
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Re: KMS but AMDGPU And Black Screen

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No, on the desired monitor, it still black screens.

Works just fine (Even without that parameter) on something that has a direct 
HDMI cable, though. (TV)

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> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1594488
>
> Set amdgpu.dc=0 in bios and it will work but without hdmi sound.---
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Re: KMS but AMDGPU And Black Screen

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Figured it out.
If this happens, you may need a new HDMI cable or a monitor which has HDMI, 
rather than an adapter for it.
It also froze during boot afterward, and that was due to kernel version.

So if any of you run into this problem, know that might be a cause.

> Recently setup a new computer.
> Trouble is, every time I try to boot (popOS, about to try Ubuntu) it is just 
> a black screen.
>
> So I get to the boot loader and add the parameter “nomodeset”.
> This is great, until I run AMD’s script to install the drivers. They will 
> cancel saying it uses KMS. But I can’t boot without that being off 
> initially...
> anyone have any suggestions?
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>> Not if the bios is set with boot priority to usb. Change the drive boot 
>> priority to make usb less preferred over internal disks.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 2:48 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I had a thumb drive plugged in to the computer and it caused the
>>> computer to boot into memtest 86 until I disconnected it. Is that
>>> strange or what?
>>>
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KMS but AMDGPU And Black Screen

[Seabass via PLUG-discuss]

Recently setup a new computer.
Trouble is, every time I try to boot (popOS, about to try Ubuntu) it is just a 
black screen.

So I get to the boot loader and add the parameter “nomodeset”.
This is great, until I run AMD’s script to install the drivers. They will 
cancel saying it uses KMS. But I can’t boot without that being off initially...
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Multi boot with encrypted OS

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I have a TB storage drive that Won’t get filled.
It is also the only drive in the computer.
So I’d like to partition the drive with multiple different operating systems 
with different purposes.
However, I’d also like each OS to be encrypted, do nothing that gets on one 
system gets into another, and so nobody has easy access if the computer is 
stolen.

As far as I’m aware, disk encryption requires presetting which partition is the 
root partition, so does anyone know if it is possible to have multiple 
operating systems on a computer and have each be encrypted?
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Dm-crypt freezing computer?

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I am extracting from a large tar file, and at around the 2nd gig, my computer 
starts to slow and even freeze up a bit. Mouse always moves fine, but that’s 
about it.

iotop reports dm-crypt is the only thing and is using 99% of my read/write.
htop shows minimal processing being used and ram isn’t full...

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Re: Public DNS Servers (AZ Pete)

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https://www.privacytools.io/providers/dns/

Privacy tools IO tends to have a wealth of information for questions like this.

> Hi All,
>
> I was curious if anyone has any recommendations for free public DNS servers 
> that they've used. I've been using OpenNic for a while, but in the last two 
> days I'm experiencing a lot of trouble with domains not resolving. I'm using 
> Google's (8.8.8.8) right now and things are much better. But, I thought I'd 
> ping the Plug list for other recommendations. Reliability and privacy are the 
> priority in that order (with privacy a close second). I don't need all the 
> add on features of parental controls, malicious site blocking, etc.
>
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
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Re: GnuTLS session resumption exploit

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What exactly is gnutls used for?
Web servers, or do general users actually use this for TLS connections?
Or something else?

> moin moin,
>
> GnuTLS sessions can be resumed, allowing man in the middle attacks
>
> get yer updates
>
> https://gitlab.com/gnutls/gnutls/-/issues/1011
>
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Re: PfSense + ubiquity

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I'm with Mac, I think it is not the firewall, but if you have the ability to 
plug it into a display with a keyboard, you can use that for configuration and 
modify a different device at the same time.

Makes it easier to troubleshoot by giving you the ability to configure your 
pfSense ports at the same time.

> Message: 2
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> I can help - but I am unavailable to do so until tomorrow.
>
> Make sure there are not any thing other than default VLANs on the
> interfaces to start with. Ubiquiti is famous for not havinght eSFP+
> ports active in the default configuration, and I believe the switch has
> all the ports to shutdown on default config as well.
>
> I think it is the switch not passing traffic through - no the firewall.
>
> Mac
> Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss wrote on 5/2/20 8:53 AM:
>> Does anyone out there have experience with pfSence and Ubiquity switches?
>>
>> I have zero with either but that didn't stop me from buying both 
>> how hard could it be?! LOL.
>>
>> I bought a Negate XG-1537-1U. I bought a Unifi Pro 24 PoE switch.
>>
>> I can configure the FW immediately after
>> firstboot/restore-default-configs, but only if i set the LAN interface
>> to be the cable that goes directly to my laptop. That's great, but
>> that does shit for the downstream switch.
>>
>> I have a 10GB SFP+ Port that I want to configure as the downstream
>> port to ubiquity, but any configuration other than mentioned above
>> fails  and I'm now on my 12th "Reset To Factory Defaults" ... any
>> help on this would be greatly appreciated!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alexander
>>
>> Sent from my Galaxy S10+
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Re: PLUG-discuss Digest, Vol 177, Issue 12

[Seabass]

I use Postgresql, actually.
I sync about 3 devices, and it has gone across to the rest of my family, too.
Is it safe to assume you are doing a manual install?



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> Subject: Re: NextCloud install event?
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> I'm giving this another shot today. Looking at the installation web
> page, it's actually discouraging the use of the SQLite database, if I
> plan to use the desktop client...
>
> Do you guys use MariaDB on the backend or stick with SQLite? I'm not
> going to have a large setup, but I want to have at least 3 computers and
> two phones and a tablet connected.
>
> On 2020-03-15 17:09, Stephen Partington wrote:
>
> > One of the weird gotchas during config is making sure the correct 
> > destination folders have the rights to be written to.
> > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 5:16 AM Nathan (PLUGAZ) plu...@codezilla.xyz wrote:
> >
> > > I configured a Fedora 31 VM and attempted configuration of nextcloud 3
> > > times today. Failed, obviously, which is why I kept trying. I couldn't
> > > get past the initial admin configuration. Maybe the docs I was following
> > > were bad.
> > > If I lived in Arizona, I'd be there, what a great idea!
> > > On 2020-03-13 15:06, der.hans wrote:
> > >
> > > > moin moin,
> > > > Is there interest in having a virtual NextCloud installation and
> > > > configuration event?
> > > > We can use IRC and the mailing list for questions.
> > > > We could even use bluejean or other video-conferencing to have
> > > > presentations. Perhaps an install-lab using chat, then
> > > > mini-presentations
> > > > on some of the interesting modules.
> > > > ciao,
> > > > der.hans
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> > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
> > Stephen
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Re: NextCloud install event?

[Seabass]

If we want, I can show various methods of installation, too.

I’ve done it on Pi, using snap, using Ansible, etc...
So if you want some variation in “how “ to install it I’ve got that covered. 
For you.

Also, I’ve heard about someone putting it in containers and on FreeNAS before, 
I think? Those I’d like to hear about!

> moin moin,
>
> Is there interest in having a virtual NextCloud installation and
> configuration event?
>
> We can use IRC and the mailing list for questions.
>
> We could even use bluejean or other video-conferencing to have
> presentations. Perhaps an install-lab using chat, then mini-presentations
> on some of the interesting modules.
>
> ciao,
>
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A lot for CentOS 7, but for 8?

[Seabass]

So, I’ve noticed a few places have made documentation for centOS 7, but not 8.

Since 8 never had docs made for it, I’m wondering if there would be 
consequences to using 7, since 8 exists.
For one of the things I’ve tried (phusion passenger and nginx install), install 
configs and files are different enough to need 7.

Can I assume 7 is still getting security updates?
Would there be any actual consequences to using 7 over 8 anytime in the near 
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Re: Slack for PLUG

[Seabass]

I’d imagine we would want to setup an open-source solution of some kind.

I’d be willing to setup a rocket chat, for example, but I don’t know what that 
would take for our audience, not had anyone said anything about wanting one.
Nobody expressing interest may also be why it never happened, though.

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imagine if we all showed for an installfest!

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 4:46 PM Brian Cluff  wrote:
>
> We've got almost a thousand on Meetup and almost 500 subscribed to this 
> mailing list.
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On 12/31/19 11:57 AM, Michael Butash wrote:
>
> I was looking at this for something else, and thought this might be nice for 
> PLUG.
>
> https://slack.com/help/articles/204368833-Slack-for-Nonprofits
>
> I use Slack chat a lot with various customers and partners, and it's free to 
> nonprofits ala PLUG (I think) if under 250 users. Not sure how many folks are 
> actually joined to PLUG offer that to everyone (that would actually 
> participate), but I'd be interested in joining it if one existed with the 
> folks that normally participated here.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -mb
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What to do with old hardware

[Seabass]

>  Today I realized that I have many computers that are stored in too many
> location around the house.
> I pick up many laptops and computers from around the place, but I have
> just hit the point of realizing "I can't actually use all this"
> So unless somebody knows how I can use all these and turn it into a
> beowolf cluster or something:
>
> What do you guys like to do with old hardware, some of which isn't easily 
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Is it screw with your admin day?

[Seabass]

I suddenly found the folder “-p” in my home directory, one day...

“ ls -p”
-p/

“ ls -p/”
/ is not a flag option

”ls *”
-p

“ls */*”

No file nor directory...

“rm -p”
-p isn’t a flag

So
I dunno about you guys, but this sucked figuring out how to handle.
It can be removed with
“rm -r ./-p/“
But everything else makes it into a flag.

Moral of the story:
If a file like “-a” shows up and it’s existence bothers you,
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RE: Automatic Backup Solution

[Seabass]

We are attempting to keep it free, so the cloud solution doesn’t work for us.
We have multiple hard drives, so having enough isn’t a worry.

> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 14:24:27 -0700
> From: Aaron Jones 
> To: Seabass , Main PLUG discussion list
> 
> Subject: Re: Automatic Backup Solution
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> https://autoize.com/nextcloud-backup-to-s3-or-b2/
>
> In combo with
>
> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/65891/how-to-execute-a-shellscript-when-i-plug-in-a-usb-device
>
> Thanks,
> Aaron
>
>> On Oct 24, 2019, at 10:37 AM, Seabass  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I have a Nextcloud server I want to backup, and the drives it would backup 
>> to I plug in through USB.
>> We also want to encrypt the drives and we do that with Veracrypt, because 
>> the others know how to use it and it works on windows, as well.
>>
>> I know how to do backups manually, but does anyone have any suggestions that 
>> would let me (as an example) plug it in and automatically backup or backup 
>> overnight without me needing to interact?
>>
>> A different system works for a suggestion, as this is just what we currently 
>> have.
>>
>> TLDR: Any suggestions for encrypted backups of data on a Linux server that 
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Automatic Backup Solution

[Seabass]

I have a Nextcloud server I want to backup, and the drives it would backup to I 
plug in through USB.
We also want to encrypt the drives and we do that with Veracrypt, because the 
others know how to use it and it works on windows, as well.

I know how to do backups manually, but does anyone have any suggestions that 
would let me (as an example) plug it in and automatically backup or backup 
overnight without me needing to interact?

A different system works for a suggestion, as this is just what we currently 
have.

TLDR: Any suggestions for encrypted backups of data on a Linux server that 
would be accessible to windows users, when backups are connected through USB?---
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RE: Centos 8

[Seabass]

When I did an install,
I could use dnf,
I don’t know if Postgres was a different version or installed differently, but 
the install methods have changed for it.

That was about as far as we got.

Note: I don’t usually use CentOS, if anything more is unusual I wouldn’t know.

> I've played around with it on a VM, but nothing substantial.
>
> I'm preparing to move my home servers over to it on the 1st. Can anyone
> share any pitfalls they've had with it? Anything to avoid, or anything I
> need to know, would be very helpful.
>
> Home Servers will be running SabNZB, Sonarr, Radarr, and Plex.
>
> Thanks!
>
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How to make printing easier?

[Seabass]

If there is one thing I still find easier in windows, it is printing from a 
printer.

Does anyone know anything that can make printing easier than search for drivers 
from vendor, and possibly also do extra steps before installing those .rpm or 
.deb files?

I know SOME drivers are in the repos, but...
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SSH Certificates

[Seabass]

Is anyone familiar with using a Certificate to authorize SSH users instead of 
Public private keys exchanges?

I read an article on it, and I'm having trouble seeing if and how home users 
that don't own a domain could use it, rather than corporate entities with a set 
domain.

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Anyone hiring Linux?

[Seabass]

Hello everyone.
I am on the job hunt, and am curious if anyone knows places hiring for Linux 
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Re: Ansible laptop management

[Seabass]

Yeah, I use it for configuring my Debian installs.
I don't use it much these days, but it is in my gitlab repo.
I appreciate the method of learning it, as that is what I did, but what were 
you wondering about it?

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> Back when I was in high school in the late 80s/early 90s we had a few 
> computers with a grey-scale monitor that could be rotated between landscape 
> and portrait orientation. Do you know what happened when we'd do that? You'd 
> hear the clack of a mechanical orientation sensor, the screen would 
> momentarily blank, and then the orientation of the display would 
> automatically update. Which isn't a shock to anyone who has used late model 
> PDAs and just about every tablet and smart phone. How is it that today, when 
> all but the cheapest desktop monitor stands allow you to rotate the monitor, 
> we have to manually tell the computer we've rotated the monitor?
>
> Okay, yes, this is because back then that was a premium and pricey monitor 
> which is why only the vo-tech computer class had even two of them in the 
> entire school (we also had an analog camera that recorded to disk, not a 
> Kodak disc film camera but an SLR camera which used a camcorder sensor and 
> recorded single frames of analog NTSC to magnetic 2 or maybe they were 2.5 
> inch disks. The drive for these disks was as large as the Mac it was plugged 
> into). So throwing a sensor onto the monitor wasn't that expensive when we 
> were already getting charged a premium for it. But would it kill them to 
> include it on the less than bargain basement monitors today? Although now I'm 
> wondering if DisplayPort/DVI/etc even have a way in their standards to pass 
> along orientation information or if you'd need a separate connection, a quick 
> googling isn't finding anything promising about that.
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> Saltstack, etc) for their personal computers? I recently did a clean OS 
> install on my carry-around laptop and I decided to use that as an excuse to 
> start using ansible (so far only to tell apt to install vim and tmux if they 
> aren't already installed). While the playbooks are currently very bare bones 
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Re: android's filesystem permissions

[Seabass]

I don't know why it would be a new thing, since android has required 
permissions for viewing the devices files for as long as I can remember. 
(~android 7)
Unless the default for you changed from allowed to disallowed, and I couldn't 
explain that.

Android's permissions were criticized for being too broad, as I use to read, so 
unless that changed, I also wouldn't be surprised if they were still making 
them more granular.

I haven't used KDE connect much, otherwise. Someone else would need to answer 
that.
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> I have a computer with 8B RAM and Kubuntu 18.04 with Dolphin file
> manager and 2 mobile phones, an LG X charge and a Moto e5 cruise. When I
> use KDE connect to copy files from either one to the computer, they're
> corrupted.  Pictures don't display.  Audio and video files won't play.
> I have no trouble copying files to either phone.  Anyone have an idea
> what's going on or whether or not it can be fixed?  After an update on
> the phone a few weeks ago, I noticed I could no longer use Dolphin to
> see files on the phone. I did some looking and found that I have to give
> KDE connect permission to see the local filesystem.  Is it my
> imagination or is Android getting so strict with security that it's
> getting in the way of the owner of the phone using it?
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