Re: OT: How launch Linux (WSL) in Win10 ?

[Victor Odhner via PLUG-discuss]

Thanks. My more recent attempts seemed to be leaning towards WSL 2, though the 
other looked like a much simpler approach.  I hope I don’t have a dozen copies 
of "Ubuntu 20.04 LTS” cluttering together … 
__

On 20210624, at 21:19, Aaron Jones via PLUG-discuss 
 wrote:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10#install-windows-terminal-optional
 
<https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10#install-windows-terminal-optional>

Don’t use wsl 1 but use 2 if you can help it. 

> On Jun 24, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Victor Odhner via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
> 
> I got a Windows 10 laptop to mesh with some (ech!) Microsoft in a project.
> 
> I’m learning very slowly, since (a) I retired from software in 2013 and (b) 
> have been in recovery since then and (c) I really never stepped outside Linux 
> except for company email.
> 
> So of course I’ll make Linux available on that computer if I can.
> But I’m stuck.
> 
> Anyone know the steps?
>   I selected Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, and selected WSL 1.
>   I got a message saying it was installed, but I can’t find a way to start it 
> up.
>   I can’t find any control panel for it.
> 
> Any idea how to do this?
> :)
> 
> Thanks,
> Victor Odhner
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OT: How launch Linux (WSL) in Win10 ?

[Victor Odhner via PLUG-discuss]

I got a Windows 10 laptop to mesh with some (ech!) Microsoft in a project.

I’m learning very slowly, since (a) I retired from software in 2013 and (b) 
have been in recovery since then and (c) I really never stepped outside Linux 
except for company email.

So of course I’ll make Linux available on that computer if I can.
But I’m stuck.

Anyone know the steps?
  I selected Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, and selected WSL 1.
  I got a message saying it was installed, but I can’t find a way to start it 
up.
  I can’t find any control panel for it.

Any idea how to do this?
:)

Thanks,
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OT Repair with Minimal Lost Time

[Victor Odhner]

This is a plug for a computer shop on Bell Road facing Tatum Blvd.

  Computers & ?Pronounced “Computers and Questions.”
  4727 E. Bell Rd. Ste. #65 Phoenix
  602-404-4004

What they did for us (twice) was let us keep using a computer while they got 
the parts for repair.

My wife’s year-old HP laptop needed a keyboard replacement: a row of keys had 
died. Best Buy’s Geek Squad would have sent it away for up to two weeks, but 
she couldn’t spare it for that long.

Computers & ? sent for the part, while she worked through a spare USB keyboard 
I had lying around. They installed it in about four hours. The price was very 
reasonable, and minimum time lost.

A few weeks later my 2012 MacBook Pro got the dead-keys disease.
Computers & ? specializes on Apple. Again, I had the use of my laptop with the 
USB keyboard for a few days, and they did the repair in a few hours. And again 
the price was good.

Of course I could have fixed each of these myself, with about a 15% risk that 
I’d break it, and maybe a day or two of head-scratching and re-do. I’m one of 
those “I can fix that” types, so I’ve learned the hard way when to delegate. 
And I’ve got too many promises to keep.

P.S. — Yeah, they asked me for a plug. It was a pleasure.

Thanks for listening,
Victor Odhner

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Re: OT: Non-Geek wants honest Registrar and Host service

[Victor Odhner]

gt;  
> The thing I like about NameSilo is they give you a domain name Privacy option 
> for FREE forever. NameCheap used to be for one year, but they may have 
> changed. GoDaddy charges an absurd amount for it starting from the get-go.
>  
> "Honesty" is relative in the domain world. They all have their policies and 
> they all enforce their polices. But some are far worse than others. 
>  
> The "other" big registrar in Phx has a very "honest" bunch of policies that 
> railroad you into spending a HUGE amount if you forget to renew your domain 
> on-time. NameSilo and NameCheap are far more forgiving, and give you 30 days 
> to renew your domain at the regular renewal rate. They're all quite "honest" 
> about it, as long as you read their TOS and pay close attention to what's 
> there.
>  
> There's also an area that isn't talked about much, and I don't really even 
> know what to call it. But you might think that every cPanel / WHM hosting 
> provider is the same, since they run the same hosting software. I've found 
> that's not true. Nor is it "dishonest", either.
>  
> There are several dozen settings that can be enabled or disabled on cPanel / 
> WHM installations, and there are various plugins that the host can also 
> include if they want.
>  
> The net effect is, there are some such providers that I'd say tend strongly 
> towards the "paranoid" side of the scale, while others bend the other way.
>  
> NameCheap is a very "paranoid" host. If you want maximum security against 
> hackers and invaders, you'll like them. They get that distinction because 
> they have a habit of disabling all sorts of UI options that have even the 
> slightest whiff of something a hacker could use to get into your hosting 
> account. 
>  
> I put up with this for a few months, and then moved to Eleven2, who is far 
> more relaxed about things.
>  
> That said, you can always get a VPS, then install cPanel / WHM or any other 
> control panel, and tweak it however you like.
>  
> Personally, I have a "shared reseller" type hosting account (ie, one that 
> includes WHM) at Eleven2. Shared hosting tends to overload the servers after 
> a while, but they usually don't put as many "reseller" accounts on a host as 
> regular (single cPanel) accounts — maybe by a factor of 10-to-1 or more — so 
> they don't fill up as fast.
>  
> But if your shared hosting account starts to slow down, and if you've been 
> there for a while, ask to have it moved to a newer server. That's very easy 
> to do with cPanel accounts, and the places I've been tend to be fairly 
> accommodating if only because they'd rather not lose you to another host just 
> because they don't want to spend 5 minutes moving your account.
> 
> -David Schwartz
>  
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2019, at 12:36 PM, Victor Odhner > <mailto:vodh...@cox.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> A friend who is totally non-technical wants to move their WordPress from the 
>> current registry and hosting service, and is looking for is good providers 
>> of registry and hosting, with the most honest reputations within a 
>> reasonable cost.
>>  
>> A few years ago I worked with NameCheap, and have heard fairly good stories.
>>  
>> I've heard some registrars are in a better chance to negotiate transfer of a 
>> name which may be owned by the current registrar.
>>  
>> I'm pretty sure my friend was spoon-fed the setup with a single phone call, 
>> and might find a change too complicated. I am personally free of 
>> [largest-of-local-providers], so my bias is towards running away from 
>> [that], but I don't really know what choices are "out there" for innocent 
>> button-pressing clients.
>>  
>> Thanks for any advice,
>> Victor Odhner
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OT: Non-Geek wants honest Registrar and Host service

[Victor Odhner]

A friend who is totally non-technical wants to move their WordPress from the current registry and hosting service, and is looking for is good providers of registry and hosting, with the most honest reputations within a reasonable cost.A few years ago I worked with NameCheap, and have heard fairly good stories.I’ve heard some registrars are in a better chance to negotiate transfer of a name which may be owned by the current registrar.I’m pretty sure my friend was spoon-fed the setup with a single phone call, and might find a change too complicated. I am personally free of [largest-of-local-providers], so my bias is towards running away from [that], but I don’t really know what choices are “out there” for innocent button-pressing clients.Thanks for any advice,Victor Odhner---
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OT: Non-Geek wants honest Registrar and Host service

[Victor Odhner]

A friend who is totally non-technical wants to move their WordPress from the 
current registry and hosting service, and is looking for is good providers of 
registry and hosting, with the most honest reputations within a reasonable cost.

A few years ago I worked with NameCheap, and have heard fairly good stories.

I’ve heard some registrars are in a better chance to negotiate transfer of a 
name which may be owned by the current registrar.

I’m pretty sure my friend was spoon-fed the setup with a single phone call, and 
might find a change too complicated. I am personally free of 
[largest-of-local-providers], so my bias is towards running away from [that], 
but I don’t really know what choices are “out there” for innocent 
button-pressing clients.

Thanks for any advice,
Victor Odhner

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Re: Linux Mint mutes parts of music

[Victor Odhner]

Victor M.
Thanks for the suggestions. I do think I need to try a new OS, so maybe one of 
these.
I’ll grab another hard disk and start fresh, using the year-old disk to copy my 
library and scripts.
In my researching, I’ve encountered a number of complaints about PulseAudio.

Anybody familiar with either AV Linux or KX Studio?

Aaron:
I have various people running this system, so command line is definitely out of 
the question. Everyone knows Windows, so if my next attempt doesn’t work 
perfectly I’ll have to cave in and buy Win10. Being the sole geek is not good 
for the organization.
(The way cmus is described tells me it very should work extremely well.)

Bob:
I’m using a small amount of my year-old 2 TB hard disk.
TOP says I’m using <10% of my CPU. I haven’t run any updates, in the year it’s 
been running.
I hardly look at bitrate, so don’t know. Clementine shows song moving smoothly 
with no sound, then sound kicks in at five seconds into the song.
If music is corrupted, why would it play smoothly in several other programs?


On 20190430, at 06:49, Bob Elzer  wrote:

hard drive or ssd? What size and how much free space?
Have you tried running top to see if the CPU is getting overloaded?
Are you doing regular updates? You say it was running fine, did you start 
having problems after an update. If that is the case, do you really need to do 
the updates? If it ain't broke...
Could be a drive problem how old is the drive?
What bitrate is the music? Is the music stuttering or actually continuing later 
in the song?
Can you copy the music file you had the problem with to another computer to 
make sure it didn't get corrupted?
_

On 20190430, at 01:25, Aaron Jones  wrote:

Try cmus if you are comfortable doing it from the command line. You get a tui 
for managing it but it can also be scripted. 
https://cmus.github.io/ <https://cmus.github.io/>

_

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 1:49 AM Victor Montoya mailto:victor.monto...@cox.net>> wrote:
I suggest Linux Calculate.  It is a Gentoo based distro that I believe doesn't 
have pulse audio.
I also suggest Linux MX.  It is Debian based and had system d and pulse audio 
by passed.  It will also probably be easier to install and maintain.  I find 
that many audio problems have their roots in System D and pulse audio.
_

On Apr 29, 2019, at 11:13 PM, Victor Odhner mailto:vodh...@cox.net>> wrote:

> A computer I built, dedicated to play music in church, is muting pieces of 
> the music. It used to run smoothly.
> 
> Can someone suggest a more stable music-playing distro of Linux, and/or a 
> better play-list manager?
> 
> Requirements;
> Maintain my mp3 library and manage play-lists.
> Build a play-list for an event. Play each song on cue, and stop when done.
> Play a video program to a separate port (video projector), but not 
> simultaneously with playing music.
> 
> I had used Clementine for managing and playing the music.
> Now music is not always played smoothly: some segments are muted, and an 
> occasional “rogue” note is played out of place.
> I have tried different tests, switched some hardware, but I think my problem 
> is software.
> 
> The problem: Clementine has served us well for about a year.
> Now, when I play a song, it mutes the first five seconds of the song!
> 
> A few songs work well, consistently. For a few other songs I get the first 
> beat of the song, then it plays the next five seconds silently, then turns 
> the sound back on. Every now and then, just a beat or two is replaced by a 
> rogue note from the same song; those are not reproducible.
> 
> Clementine has a feature where we can mark the last song in a group, but now 
> that is broken too: it stops at the end of the marked song, but spits out one 
> beat of the next song!
> 
> Status: I am desparate.
> I could try to update from Mint 18 to 19.
> I thought Linux wouldn’t jerk me around like Windows does. Maybe the wrong 
> distro?
> Does PulseAudio have something to do with this? Should I use JACK?
> I could try AV Linux — it’s 32bit not 64, but is supposed to be extremely 
> stable with rich audio repositories.
> I could try KX Studio — supposedly very stable, with frequent tested updates 
> of audio tools.
> 
> I could switch to (gasp!) windows since I’m the only Linux geek in the 
> organization. Help me to be strong!
> 
> The problem is not just with Clementine.
> I tested with some other software:
> * Rhythmbox plays well, with the occasional injection of a rogue note.
> * Media Player seems to run well, and SM Player & MPV likewise. But these 
> aren’t good for managing play lists.
> * VLC sputters along continually in a sort of motorboat pattern. You can hear 
> the song faintly, with bits of the song alternating wi

Linux Mint mutes parts of music

[Victor Odhner]

A computer I built, dedicated to play music in church, is muting pieces of the 
music. It used to run smoothly.

Can someone suggest a more stable music-playing distro of Linux, and/or a 
better play-list manager?

Requirements;
Maintain my mp3 library and manage play-lists.
Build a play-list for an event. Play each song on cue, and stop when done.
Play a video program to a separate port (video projector), but not 
simultaneously with playing music.

I had used Clementine for managing and playing the music.
Now music is not always played smoothly: some segments are muted, and an 
occasional “rogue” note is played out of place.
I have tried different tests, switched some hardware, but I think my problem is 
software.

The problem: Clementine has served us well for about a year.
Now, when I play a song, it mutes the first five seconds of the song!

A few songs work well, consistently. For a few other songs I get the first beat 
of the song, then it plays the next five seconds silently, then turns the sound 
back on. Every now and then, just a beat or two is replaced by a rogue note 
from the same song; those are not reproducible.

Clementine has a feature where we can mark the last song in a group, but now 
that is broken too: it stops at the end of the marked song, but spits out one 
beat of the next song!

Status: I am desparate.
I could try to update from Mint 18 to 19.
I thought Linux wouldn’t jerk me around like Windows does. Maybe the wrong 
distro?
Does PulseAudio have something to do with this? Should I use JACK?
I could try AV Linux — it’s 32bit not 64, but is supposed to be extremely 
stable with rich audio repositories.
I could try KX Studio — supposedly very stable, with frequent tested updates of 
audio tools.

I could switch to (gasp!) windows since I’m the only Linux geek in the 
organization. Help me to be strong!

The problem is not just with Clementine.
I tested with some other software:
* Rhythmbox plays well, with the occasional injection of a rogue note.
* Media Player seems to run well, and SM Player & MPV likewise. But these 
aren’t good for managing play lists.
* VLC sputters along continually in a sort of motorboat pattern. You can hear 
the song faintly, with bits of the song alternating with muted moments several 
times a second.
* I tried Audacity for an extra “player” test: I used it as the “open with” 
choice for a song. As it launched, it made a nasty scratching noise that I have 
not learned before. But then when I hit the play button it rendered the song 
nicely, like Media Player etc.

In my research I’ve found discussions of earlier troubles in Mint, with 
scratching noises and stuff. Mine seems different.

Does this sound like 

Computer Configuration:
Intel Celeron CPU G3930 800.048 MHZ
MOBO Gigabyte H110M-M2-CF
Audio HDA-INTEL PCH, USB Audio CODEC
CODEC REALTEC ALC887-VD
HDA Intel PCH Line Out ALSA Driver Ver K4.10.0-38-generic
(Audio is fed from USB port to a Behringer U-Control adapter, then to the 
Mackie mixer board.)
MINT 18.3 (MATE 1.18.2 Metacity Marco)
x86_64 Linux - OS Release 4.10.0-36 generic
Memory: 8 GB.

Thanks for any suggestion you might have for me.
Victor Odhner

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Re: How to direct audio output

[Victor Odhner]

Michael, thanks for boosting my trust in Mint.

Yes, pavucontrol is available via the regular sources and works perfectly, just 
as smooth as on the Mac. I only wondered why they don’t install it by default, 
but I guess for some it would just be clutter.

I got my sound running — I’m not sure what I did, but I think both my output 
devices had disable buttons which I guess must have been in effect; I hit a few 
buttons so I’m not sure what did it. Again, I don’t know what I had done that 
shut it down in the first place.

I thought I would concoct a panel launcher for pavucontrol, so I did this:
  Add to Panel > Launch
… and this led me to a menu of apps I hadn’t seen before; and one of them was 
pavucontrol.
Can’t beat that!

Thanks again.


On 20190208, at 09:59, Michael Butash  wrote:

Mint's audio panel might not let you do it, but install pavucontrol, which is 
pulseaudio volume control, which can (I always install and use this only).  

When you play the video with whatever generating audio, pavucontrol should show 
in "playback" menu, with the destination audio as hdmi output card.  Change 
that to be your other audio destination, the usb dac, and that should be all 
you need to divert audio there.  If you don't see another device, ensure all 
are enabled in Configuration and you see them both under Output Devices.

Check and make sure all the playback applications are seeing audio levels, and 
then make sure the appropriate output device is as well under output does too 
as they can work independently.

-mb

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:49 PM Victor Odhner mailto:vodh...@cox.net>> wrote:
My Mac Mini's Preferences > Sound window lets me “select a device for sound 
output.” This works well driving my sound system. It detects other devices but 
lets me select my converter:
USB > Digital-to-Analog converter > mixer board.

Everything I find online seems to indicate that nobody’s created a similar 
configuration tool for Linux, that we have to use some queries and build a 
config file. The query I tried did show that there are two devices, but I 
really don’t know what I’m doing.

Any instruction would be greatly appreciated.

My situation:

In my Mint system, I want to drive a monitor via HDMI,
and sound via USB > Digital-to-Analog converter > mixer board.
The very same connection worked when driven by the Mac Mini.
Linux never had a problem with it either, but I messed up something.

At one point the sound was playing through the monitor’s relatively weak 
loudspeaker.

After some tinkering, nothing is coming through.

Thanks,
Victor

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How to direct audio output

[Victor Odhner]

My Mac Mini's Preferences > Sound window lets me “select a device for sound 
output.” This works well driving my sound system. It detects other devices but 
lets me select my converter:
USB > Digital-to-Analog converter > mixer board.

Everything I find online seems to indicate that nobody’s created a similar 
configuration tool for Linux, that we have to use some queries and build a 
config file. The query I tried did show that there are two devices, but I 
really don’t know what I’m doing.

Any instruction would be greatly appreciated.

My situation:

In my Mint system, I want to drive a monitor via HDMI,
and sound via USB > Digital-to-Analog converter > mixer board.
The very same connection worked when driven by the Mac Mini.
Linux never had a problem with it either, but I messed up something.

At one point the sound was playing through the monitor’s relatively weak 
loudspeaker.

After some tinkering, nothing is coming through.

Thanks,
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Re: google cloud print

[Victor Odhner]

The setup to do this depends partly on what brand and model of printer you have.

Of course it won’t work unless your printer is able to be reached over your 
Internet network, and that you have Internet connection at the moment.

I don’t know if you have to be using either a Chrome browser or a Chromebook, 
but those are the only ways that I bothered to do this.

Doing it with Windows was painful for me but I did make it work for our Brother 
printer. I only ran a few tests, because it was a little slow and I saw no need 
to send my printing via the Google Cloud.

In the process I also printed successfully from Chrome on my MacBook, which 
worked more easily.

We ended up using CUPS for quicker response.

Since you said “remotely” I presume you really mean that you want to be at some 
distance, and I guess CUPS only works within the subnet. But if you just mean a 
Wifi connection within your local network, then I’d recommend using CUPS.

Again, either way it may be a hassle, but for us it’s now running smoothly.
___

On 20181211, at 19:45, Herminio Hernandez Jr.  
wrote:

I am assuming you have tried this

https://support.google.com/cloudprint/answer/1686197?hl=en 


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> How do you print remotely with google cloud print?
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Re: OT: Stupid Thunderbird Problem

[Victor Odhner]

Thanks, Eric.

Your comments led me to follow several angles, but nothing worked. But it 
steered me in a direction that got past the error.

At one point I bought Growl but found that the link for Thunderbird is locked 
out.

Then I found a page about Mozilla logging:

https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Logging 
<https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Logging>

I ran Thunderbird from the command line to turn on logging.

It didn’t log anything, just a start-up message, but Thunderbird did not have 
the error in that mode.  I finished moving my emails to the Zoho account.

So, thanks for the support. You sort of nudged me towards a solution. I guess 
I’ll never know what the complaint was from Zoho.

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On 20181003, at 01:23, Eric Oyen  wrote:

Check for notifications in the system preferences. There’s a notifications 
preferences pane and in there will be the apps that have accessed it. You can 
also change the amount of time that the message will display.

Btw, I have the same issue when trying to read notifications with the screen 
reader.

Btw, you can also try control+option+F1 and see if the notifications show up in 
there (they do on my high Sierra system).

-Eric
Blind computer user, Mac and Linux guru.

> On Oct 3, 2018, at 1:14 AM, Victor Odhner  <mailto:vodh...@cox.net>> wrote:
> 
> Using Thunderbird on my Macbook.
> It has my old and new accounts.
> I have been moving old messages from Yahoo to Zoho.
> 
> Some moves don’t work, and I get a notification in a little bubble that 
> appears fleetingly in the upper right-hand corner, something like a notice of 
> an incoming email.
> 
> The notice appears within a couple of seconds, and the punch line of the 
> message does not fit in the message bubble.
> Clicking on the bubble just makes it disappear more quickly.
> 
> So my question: where do I find the complete message?
> I looked around for logs, but can’t find them.
> 
> Thanks,
> Victor
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OT: Stupid Thunderbird Problem

[Victor Odhner]

Using Thunderbird on my Macbook.
It has my old and new accounts.
I have been moving old messages from Yahoo to Zoho.

Some moves don’t work, and I get a notification in a little bubble that appears 
fleetingly in the upper right-hand corner, something like a notice of an 
incoming email.

The notice appears within a couple of seconds, and the punch line of the 
message does not fit in the message bubble.
Clicking on the bubble just makes it disappear more quickly.

So my question: where do I find the complete message?
I looked around for logs, but can’t find them.

Thanks,
Victor

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OT: New Chromebook won't reach printer

[Victor Odhner]

My wife’s Chromebook died (broken charging port) so we got a new HP Chromebook. 
The old one worked perfectly with CUPS.

Now our printer shows up in CUPS, but if I try to set up a print, Chromebook 
says it can’t connect.

Any theories about why this computer won’t connect?

Google’s Cloud Print worked for her Google account in Chrome on a macBook. That 
same instance shows on the Chromebook as “ready to print,” but is not offered 
in the print dialog.

I added a Brother app on the Chromebook, but it couldn’t see anything.

I’ve been through all this for hours, repeatedly. Rebooted the Chromebook, even 
reloaded the account.

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Re: Any way to keep my non-Google email contacts from Google?

[Victor Odhner]

Thanks, Matt.

Yes, I had thought of the purge-before-sync angle. As you said, that would be 
pretty cumbersome since I am syncing my calendar several times a week. If my 
little battle with Google were serious, I’d have to go off the grid, and I’d 
find another web-based calendar, but last I looked Google was the only one that 
met my needs.

Yes, I'll use another mail client for reasons of style, and I don’t have email 
addresses or “people details” in my contacts. What I don’t like, really, is the 
idea that I’m telling Google all about other people; but I don’t keep that much 
information about anyone. 

Take care,
Victor Odhner
_

On 20180904, at 13:27, Matt Graham  wrote:

On 2018-09-03 19:25, Victor Odhner wrote:
> So on my old phone, I only synchronized my calendar items with Google.
> I avoided synching everything else, there was no need.
> That was in the not-evil days: now it seems to be sync all or nothing.
> Q: IF I’M USING A DIFFERENT MAIL CLIENT FOR NON-GOOGLE EMAIL, WILL A
> SYNC WITH GOOGLE SLURP UP ALL MY CONTACTS ANYWAY?

I think this would depend on the mail client.  Which one are you using? There's 
also the approach where you back up your contacts in your mail client, delete 
them all, sync with evil google, then restore the backed-up contacts in your 
client.  This is probably too clumsy for regular use though.

> I’m not about to replace my OS, but just curious:
> Are there versions of Android that don’t feed the Beast?

AOSP?  LineageOS?  These don't talk to google nearly as much.  How usable they 
would be depends a lot on whatever it is you want to do with your phone.  It's 
not immediately obvious whether a phone with LineageOS on it can be used to 
make and receive phone calls and SMS messages using the carrier-given phone#, 
for instance.

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Any way to keep my non-Google email contacts from Google?

[Victor Odhner]

I use Google for the calendar, but make only occasional use of GMail.

I have this little game of seeing how much I can avoid handing over to Google.
So on my old phone, I only synchronized my calendar items with Google.
I avoided synching everything else, there was no need.

That was in the not-evil days: now it seems to be sync all or nothing.

Q: If I’m using a different mail client for non-Google email, will a sync with 
Google slurp up all my contacts anyway?

I’m not about to replace my OS, but just curious:
  Are there versions of Android that don’t feed the Beast?

Thanks,
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Re: OT: Cell Phone Advice

[Victor Odhner]

At some point I might try to do this for myself, but probably only if I have a 
new one in hand,

I’d really prefer to find someone who is experienced with this stuff, for risk 
reduction.
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On 20180726, at 12:27, Bob Elzer  wrote:

have you tried this? did it work

my understanding is if it doesn't work they tell you to contact them and charge 
you to root it,  with no guarantee that they can root it



On Thu, Jul 26, 2018, 11:11 AM Stephen Partington mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
https://www.kingoapp.com/root-tutorials/how-to-root-galaxy-note2.htm 
<https://www.kingoapp.com/root-tutorials/how-to-root-galaxy-note2.htm>

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 10:34 AM Bob Elzer mailto:bob.el...@gmail.com>> wrote:
i have the same phone and gave up when walmart stopped supporting their app on 
it,  I got a brand new lg v20 on ebay for $200 mpdel h918 for tmobile it runs 
android 7.0

let me know if you get this updated, from my understanding one of the last 
updates of the note 2 locked it so it can't be rooted. I've been looking but 
haven't found a recent root.

i would really like to root mine so i can do some useful things with it.



On Thu, Jul 26, 2018, 7:41 AM Stephen Partington mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have done lots of Roms in the past, they are pretty basic to sort out with 
reading and some basic concepts of Linux and the funny partitioning that 
android relies on. but just a quick look you can get up to about android 7 or 
so with LineageOS (fork of Cyanogenmod before they went off the deep end.

https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/t0lte 
<https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/t0lte> This has info about the Note2 and 
LineageOS. Super simple to set up. especially on older devices that have been 
hugely documented. (install steps here 
https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/t0lte/install 
<https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/t0lte/install>)

Personally I am using the OnePlus3 the OxygenOS CE that they are running is i 
think my favorite stock experience EVER. Add a little root, and Substratum and 
the device does everything I want. even for a 2 year old device. the only 
reason I want the OnePlus6 is for the new spectrum on the radio. The 3 is still 
a really decent device. You can find them around for about 200 to 300 still. 
Also you can look into the Essential phone. Also really good in concept, but I 
am not sure how well it is doing as it went on sale for prime day and dropped 
over 50% off MSRP.

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:40 PM Victor Odhner mailto:vodh...@cox.net>> wrote:
My Samsung Galaxy Note II has been left behind.
  * Samsung/T-Mobile offer no updates, I’m stuck at 4.2.
  * T-Mobile has increased coverage,
but my phone doesn’t reach their new channels.
  * The new thermostat I’m working with requires 4.5,
so I have to use my wife’s to control it.
  * The new version of weatherunderground.com <http://weatherunderground.com/>
doesn’t work on what I’ve got, and it’s got
all the local amateur weather stations.

I think 5-1/2 years is pretty good for a phone, but it burns me being abandoned 
like that.

Before I cave in and buy a new phone, since I’m letting go of this phone as it 
is, . . .
. . . is it time to root it, and install a new ROM that knows the Brave New 
World?

I see these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEkN919cHpk 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEkN919cHpk>

https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-2/general/4-5-6a-t3269950 
<https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-2/general/4-5-6a-t3269950>

Is this a possible solution for me?
… and if I did do this, could I later convert it to operate as just a WIFI 
device as I moved on with a new phone?

There is no way I’d take on this job myself, with all that talent out in 
LinuxLand.
I *would* trust (and pay) a consultant who has done this kind of thing 
repeatedly, without recent bricking events.

Please advise . . .

Thanks,
Victor Odhner

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OT: Cell Phone Advice

[Victor Odhner]

My Samsung Galaxy Note II has been left behind.
  * Samsung/T-Mobile offer no updates, I’m stuck at 4.2.
  * T-Mobile has increased coverage,
but my phone doesn’t reach their new channels.
  * The new thermostat I’m working with requires 4.5,
so I have to use my wife’s to control it.
  * The new version of weatherunderground.com
doesn’t work on what I’ve got, and it’s got
all the local amateur weather stations.

I think 5-1/2 years is pretty good for a phone, but it burns me being abandoned 
like that.

Before I cave in and buy a new phone, since I’m letting go of this phone as it 
is, . . .
. . . is it time to root it, and install a new ROM that knows the Brave New 
World?

I see these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEkN919cHpk

https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-2/general/4-5-6a-t3269950 
<https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-2/general/4-5-6a-t3269950>

Is this a possible solution for me?
… and if I did do this, could I later convert it to operate as just a WIFI 
device as I moved on with a new phone?

There is no way I’d take on this job myself, with all that talent out in 
LinuxLand.
I *would* trust (and pay) a consultant who has done this kind of thing 
repeatedly, without recent bricking events.

Please advise . . .

Thanks,
Victor Odhner

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OT: Charging a Macbook in the woods

[Victor Odhner]

I researched power inverters, figuring that I can charge my Macbook while 
camping. It turns out, as far as I can tell from the user reviews, that the 
affordable inverters (even some less affordable) don’t satisfy a PC’s AC 
quality requirements. There are happy customers, but the reports of failure for 
PC use are about 20%. Someone even added a UPS to clean up the power including 
the frequency — so that’s DC to AC to Battery to clean AC.

My purpose is some evening entertainment for teens at a camp, miles off the 
grid. They have a generator there, but I hesitate to trust it with my PC.

Some newer PCs charge on 5v, but I can’t afford newer.

My wife has a tablet (Sansung SM-T530NU Nook) that can be charged in my truck. 
But it rejects every attempt to load from the Macbook via USB cable or 
BlueTooth — the devices see each other, but can’t quite get a connection.
Only remaining possibility seems to be a micro SD chip.

Maybe the elements are conspiring to focus me on my 12-string guitar, and “the 
elements” have also watered the forest so we’ll probably get to light a fire. 
But the kids do get itchy being dragged away from their current tracks.


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Mint Cinnamon with a default login

[Victor Odhner]

A vendor loaded Tom's new PC with Mint Cinnamon. It powers up without 
authentication to a default user account. How do we disable that?

The details:

It was set up with one temporary admin user, named “user”, with password 
“password.”

So we set up the “tom” account, with admin status, and then made “user” an 
ordinary user with its permissions turned off, and a serious password.

We ran fine as “tom”, but when we shut down and restarted, it came right up as 
“user” without authentication.

We can log out of the “user” session and we get the login dialog so we can get 
to the “tom” account.

We could remove “user,” but I thought it might hang up looking for that account.

I did some web searching and they referred to two config files to be adjusted, 
but one didn’t exist and the other had only one line which wasn’t relevant to 
the issue.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Victor

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Re: Lecture on used computers: was Cheap new Linux laptop advice?

[Victor Odhner]

Their business is fixing broken computers and recovering damaged disks, so 
their experience is largely with broken equipment. This guy was the one who 
saved me from myself when a computer I built in January wouldn’t post: he 
glanced at all the connections and then turned my memory sticks the right way 
around. Five minutes, no charge.
:)

They did get me a smoking deal on a new monitor in 2008, beat Best Buy, but you 
don’t see stuff for sale there. They cheerfully accept all my old electronics, 
to go to AZSTRUT for recycling and in some cases AZSTRUT puts together used 
equipment for worthy causes — I worked with a refugee years ago who was using 
an AZSTRUT machine.


On 20180620, at 12:35, Steve Litt  wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 12:36:05 -0700
Victor Odhner  wrote:


> I think Somebody off-line mentioned Data Doctors so I dropped in
> there. The main guy at that store gave me a friendly lecture on using
> computers that someone else got rid of, like trade-in cars at a
> dealership. 

Hi Victor,

What points did the guy make?

Did the guy's advice still make sense if the store allows the customer
to boot a System Rescue CD media on the computer under investigation,
to test out all its capabilities under Linux?

I'm interested because I occasionally buy used computers. The older the
computer, the less likely I'll have EFI, Secure Boot, or driver
compatibility issues.

SteveT

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Re: Cheap new Linux laptop advice?

[Victor Odhner]

Thanks again for the support. Tom has his computer.
Got a Latitude i7 as described below, $169 + $25 (+tax) for another 4GB 
installed.

This was from Feature Marketing, they were very pleasant to work with.
When Tom went back to get it, they added a “father’s day” gift of a classy bag.

They have certain Linux distros they usually load for non-Windows users, and I 
asked for something else, verbally, so minor fluke we’ll fix; don’t complicate 
everything like I do.
:)

As I said below, they say most of their PCs come from Fortune 500 companies 
that have leased the computers for something like 2 years and then return them 
to the manufacturers, who then dump them on the re-use market. This PC was 
totally clean, one little scratch, keypads didn’t look at all worn.

I think they may tend to be my provider for any future PCs.
Thanks again especially to Stephen and Phil.
___

On 20180618, at 12:36, Victor Odhner  wrote:

I want to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread!
My friend Tom also appreciates the concern.

I’ll feed back what I’ve collected from this so far, but first I should explain 
why $200s and 4GB memory is not as stupid as it might seem.

Tom’s business is going out and tuning pianos, or providing appraisals for 
sale. His use of a computer is:
  (a) using email to communicate with clients;
  (b) preparing quotes and appraisal documents using Libre Office;
  (c) printing those documents;
  (d) working with simple spreadsheets.
  (e) some web browsing.
So 4GB should be just fine. He’s not the kind to get impatient over swap time. 
He uses an external disk so doesn’t need to store lots of history in the 
laptop. The only real requirement is that the computer keeps ticking!

Tips I’m looking at:

Stephen, re: Latitude i5/i7: Tom does carry his laptop around, rugged is good.
In fact, we may be onto one of these: ...

Feature Marketing — suggested by Phil.Waclawski.
They have Dell Latitude i7 E6330 13.3” for $169.00, I think a year warranty.
I chatted with them. We *may* run over there and close a deal, maybe with some 
upgrades.
This place seems pretty solid, they say they sell a lot of linux computers to 
local students, whose teachers have sent them repeat business over several 
years; some local business, but they do most of their business out of state. 
Most of the computers come from big companies. Comments?
They’re in the Scottsdale Airport area, about 8 miles east of me.

Resell Electronics — suggested by Todd. 
Interesting, I just called them up at 877-726-0104. Their web site doesn’t show 
inventory because they do most of their business on ebay.
Walk-ins are welcome, at 850 W Lincoln St. Door 1 in Phoenix, that’s off 7th 
Ave just south of the bridge over the railroad tracks. They have a computer 
there where you can search what’s in their inventory, but the stuff is in their 
warehouse and you don’t see it till you buy it. I think I’ll run down there 
tomorrow.

Fry’s deal of the week: HP 11-y010nr, 11.6" Stream Laptop Celeron N3060, 4GB, 
32GB eMMC, $199. The good point here is solid state and the fact that it’s new, 
but Fry’s service is horrible in my experience and I don’t like the idea of 
sending things away for 

Stephen, re: thinkpad: I’m biased against Corporate China, but I hear good 
things about thinkpad with Linux.

Trent & Stephen have reinforced my feeling against current ChromeBook. And 
prices aren’t all that great either, if you do some shopping.

Eric, we’re in the Paradise Valley area of Phoenix. If we should run into an 
ongoing warranty hassle you’re totally right about distance. Since Feature 
Marketing is right here, that is a plus for me. But I don’t mind driving around 
a bit. (Where are you?)

Eric, re Red 7: I haven’t heard much mention of them since they started some 20 
years ago, but yes, I see redsevenlinux.com <http://redsevenlinux.com/>: they 
seem to still be in business, and it looks like a good business model. But 
either their site has been owned, or they lack focus: Computer solutions are 
mixed with a lame porn story and big-cock talk on their front page. Looks a tad 
unstable.

I think Somebody off-line mentioned Data Doctors so I dropped in there. The 
main guy at that store gave me a friendly lecture on using computers that 
someone else got rid of, like trade-in cars at a dealership. I spent years 
running second hand cars into the ground, so that isn’t too convincing to me; 
but I have also bought one used PC from a repair shop that turned out to be a 
total lemon, and I wasted money on a new battery that didn’t help, so that 
carries some weight.

Thanks,
Victor


On 20180614, at 15:15, Carruth, Rusty mailto:rusty.carr...@smartm.com>> wrote:

Personally, 4G is not QUITE enough RAM.  (Disclaimer - I have 16G on both my 
personal laptop and my work laptop.  I used to have 4G on my work laptop, bah 
humbug)
 
My wife’s laptop has 4G, and has to kill off firefox ever

Re: Cheap new Linux laptop advice?

[Victor Odhner]

I want to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread!
My friend Tom also appreciates the concern.

I’ll feed back what I’ve collected from this so far, but first I should explain 
why $200s and 4GB memory is not as stupid as it might seem.

Tom’s business is going out and tuning pianos, or providing appraisals for 
sale. His use of a computer is:
  (a) using email to communicate with clients;
  (b) preparing quotes and appraisal documents using Libre Office;
  (c) printing those documents;
  (d) working with simple spreadsheets.
  (e) some web browsing.
So 4GB should be just fine. He’s not the kind to get impatient over swap time. 
He uses an external disk so doesn’t need to store lots of history in the 
laptop. The only real requirement is that the computer keeps ticking!

Tips I’m looking at:

Stephen, re: Latitude i5/i7: Tom does carry his laptop around, rugged is good.
In fact, we may be onto one of these: ...

Feature Marketing — suggested by Phil.Waclawski.
They have Dell Latitude i7 E6330 13.3” for $169.00, I think a year warranty.
I chatted with them. We *may* run over there and close a deal, maybe with some 
upgrades.
This place seems pretty solid, they say they sell a lot of linux computers to 
local students, whose teachers have sent them repeat business over several 
years; some local business, but they do most of their business out of state. 
Most of the computers come from big companies. Comments?
They’re in the Scottsdale Airport area, about 8 miles east of me.

Resell Electronics — suggested by Todd. 
Interesting, I just called them up at 877-726-0104. Their web site doesn’t show 
inventory because they do most of their business on ebay.
Walk-ins are welcome, at 850 W Lincoln St. Door 1 in Phoenix, that’s off 7th 
Ave just south of the bridge over the railroad tracks. They have a computer 
there where you can search what’s in their inventory, but the stuff is in their 
warehouse and you don’t see it till you buy it. I think I’ll run down there 
tomorrow.

Fry’s deal of the week: HP 11-y010nr, 11.6" Stream Laptop Celeron N3060, 4GB, 
32GB eMMC, $199. The good point here is solid state and the fact that it’s new, 
but Fry’s service is horrible in my experience and I don’t like the idea of 
sending things away for 

Stephen, re: thinkpad: I’m biased against Corporate China, but I hear good 
things about thinkpad with Linux.

Trent & Stephen have reinforced my feeling against current ChromeBook. And 
prices aren’t all that great either, if you do some shopping.

Eric, we’re in the Paradise Valley area of Phoenix. If we should run into an 
ongoing warranty hassle you’re totally right about distance. Since Feature 
Marketing is right here, that is a plus for me. But I don’t mind driving around 
a bit. (Where are you?)

Eric, re Red 7: I haven’t heard much mention of them since they started some 20 
years ago, but yes, I see redsevenlinux.com: they seem to still be in business, 
and it looks like a good business model. But either their site has been owned, 
or they lack focus: Computer solutions are mixed with a lame porn story and 
big-cock talk on their front page. Looks a tad unstable.

I think Somebody off-line mentioned Data Doctors so I dropped in there. The 
main guy at that store gave me a friendly lecture on using computers that 
someone else got rid of, like trade-in cars at a dealership. I spent years 
running second hand cars into the ground, so that isn’t too convincing to me; 
but I have also bought one used PC from a repair shop that turned out to be a 
total lemon, and I wasted money on a new battery that didn’t help, so that 
carries some weight.

Thanks,
Victor


On 20180614, at 15:15, Carruth, Rusty  wrote:

Personally, 4G is not QUITE enough RAM.  (Disclaimer - I have 16G on both my 
personal laptop and my work laptop.  I used to have 4G on my work laptop, bah 
humbug)
 
My wife’s laptop has 4G, and has to kill off firefox every once in a while due 
to its apparent memory leak.  However, I’ve got 16 G at work running windows, 
and every few days *I* have to kill my firefox because it is taking around 14G 
(or at least guess which window is causing the leak)….
 
(Ok, yes, I’m a heavy user.  I confess.  (Is there a group for that?) )
 
We’re using Lenovo at work, and a T410 worked fine (as fine as it can with only 
4G - but all the hardware worked ok as I remember).  4G max RAM, I think, but I 
think there’s a T420 or something that takes more RAM.
 
I’ve had relatively good luck in the old days with Dell (Inspiron 8000 or 
something like that?), but YMMV. 
 
The only laptops I’ve got personal experience that I know work fine (again, 
ignoring memory) are:
 
My wife’s, model and so forth forgotten.  If you care I can go look
 
My personal Alienware, which is WAY outside the price range.  The only real 
issue with it was:  you need a recent distro (Mint 17 didn’t work well, Mint 18 
worked fine).
 
Lenovo ThinkPad T410.  Used with an older Mint, as 

Cheap new Linux laptop advice?

[Victor Odhner]

A friend needs a cheap Linux laptop for light duty business work:
  Libre Office, printing via USB connection, WIFI, email, and light browsing.

His business (piano tuning) hangs on this.
He would like the provider to be established with a decent reputation, whether 
the computer is new or refurbished. 

His cap is $400 but he would prefer closer to $200 . . .

Refurbish? In past discussions here, I’ve seen references in the past of a good 
refurb provider in town. How well established are they, what’s their batting 
average?

New? I see:

 At Amazon:
*Dell Inspiron at Amazon for $205, 11.6" HD Celeron N3060,
4GB RAM32 eMMC HDD.
*ASUS VivoBook E203NA-YS03 $199, 11.6” Featherweight design
Intel Dual-Core Celeron N3350 2.4GHz processor,
4GB DDR3 RAM, 64GB EMMC Storage, App based Windows 10 S

At Fry’s Electronics:
* HP 14-ax030nr, 14" Stream Laptop With Intel Celeron N3060 Processor,
4GB Memory, 64GB eMMC and Windows 10

Chromebook? I see Chromebooks under $250.
* Scrub & convert to Linux?
* USB ports to run a printer and external backup disk?
* Storage to run Libre writer + mail client + light surfing?

He doesn’t want to entrust all his data to Google, and is happy with Linux.

Any specific suggestions would be very welcome.

Thanks,
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Re: Need a cheap graphics card

[Victor Odhner]

Thanks, Steven!

When I started it, my on-board HDMI port wasn’t detected. So now your 6150 
board is serving both of my HDMI lines. Plug and Play.

One of my cables (a 50-foot HDMI) is so fat and stiff that it risks twisting 
the on-board socket and breaking a contact on the mother board. The twin 
pigtail connectors on the 6150 you gave me is ideal for that — It goes with the 
flow.

Thanks again!
__

On 20180606, at 14:21, Stephen Partington  wrote:

I have an older Nvidia 6150 dual DVI dell card. its old, but i think it will to 
1080p

its a POS but its yours.


On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:49 PM, Victor Odhner mailto:vodh...@cox.net>> wrote:
Can anyone sell me a cheap graphics card?

Needed: 1080p, fairly recent, open source Linux drivers.
Not needed: gaming-level speed or the most delicious color.

I’m thinking someone out there might have upgraded their graphics and has an 
“inferior” card lying around, not very old.

I’m in the Paradise Valley area. I’d come out to meet you (Chandler, Surprise, 
Anthem…) if the deal is reasonable. If there’s something that’s not AMD or 
NVIDIA, but is reliably Linux friendly, that might still be worth the trip.

Why I need this:
My built-in DVI-D port stopped working as a secondary HDMI.
I have some more diagnostic angles, but not time to work them right now.
So I need a Plan B to get things working ASAP.

Thanks,
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Need a cheap graphics card

[Victor Odhner]

Can anyone sell me a cheap graphics card?

Needed: 1080p, fairly recent, open source Linux drivers.
Not needed: gaming-level speed or the most delicious color.

I’m thinking someone out there might have upgraded their graphics and has an 
“inferior” card lying around, not very old.

I’m in the Paradise Valley area. I’d come out to meet you (Chandler, Surprise, 
Anthem…) if the deal is reasonable. If there’s something that’s not AMD or 
NVIDIA, but is reliably Linux friendly, that might still be worth the trip.

Why I need this:
My built-in DVI-D port stopped working as a secondary HDMI.
I have some more diagnostic angles, but not time to work them right now.
So I need a Plan B to get things working ASAP.

Thanks,
Victor Odhner




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Re: Clementine music player, or something better?

[Victor Odhner]

Thanks, All.  I had written off VLC because I thought of it as a video player. 
Now learning how to drive it, and to save playlists with it.

Stephen/Brian, I haven’t found how to avoid streaming, but haven’t given it 
much time. VLC does definitely have a very to-the-point style and it will be 
useful in more than one way.

Michael, (a) I don’t know how I froze up Rhythmbox but it was very repeatable 
and I’m not alone in this. But the deal-breaker was that Rhythbox is stuck in 
streaming mode, and we want the play to stop at the end of each song. 
(Clementine streams until it finishes the one song flagged to stop at end, then 
it drops the flag and we set the next flag.)  (b) I don’t see where the squeeze 
approach fits. I’m playing songs to sing in a church, one song at a time, and 
incidental music at various times. Our desktop wired through a mixer board 
along with instruments and microphones for live music. The computer also plays 
video programming segments via 

I also might try theatrical software, that sounds more like what I’m doing as 
far as the purpose is concerned. But at the moment we’re OK with Clementine and 
I’m testing VLC against it. 

Thanks again,
Victor
_

On 20180305, at 07:28, Stephen Partington <cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

VLC is about the only player I know of that will do this, super straightforward 
UI but all the power you want under the hood when you need/want it.

On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Brian Cluff <br...@snaptek.com 
<mailto:br...@snaptek.com>> wrote:
I just checked and VLC has a setting to pause at the end of each track 
(Preferences -> Interface -> Pause on last frame of video) and when set it does 
exactly that.  You start the next track by just clicking the next track button 
and away it goes till it hits the end of that track.  I don't see any fancy 
internal play list handing stuff, but you can create and save play lists and 
when you load a new play list it's appended to the current play list.
The interface can also to customized/dumbed down for what you need.  I'm not 
sure if it will fill your needs, but it seems to check a lot of the boxes you 
wanted checked.

Brian Cluff



On 03/03/2018 05:58 PM, Victor Odhner wrote:
> I’m using Clementine to keep playlists, playing songs one at a time.
> 
> (I have migrated from my Mac Mini because it’s vintage 2009, out of support. 
> I looked for a newer Mac Mini but the newest model is five years old. I went 
> to Linux because I don’t trust Apple or Microsoft not to jerk us around, and 
> I want to have a pretty stable 10-year solution. Of course it was cheaper 
> too, but that wasn’t the main issue.
> 
> What I want: When running an event, we step through all of the songs in a 
> single playlist. Songs are played in order, stopping after each one.
> 
> What I *don’t* need in a music player is what seem to be the most popular 
> features:
>   Ability to play a whole playlist as a unit, or at random;
>   Access to download from music sources; and,
>   Flashy graphics, or album and performer information.
> 
> Clementine is very popular and has behaved consistently for me. It lacks 
> *any* real documentation except lots of discussions, mostly about features 
> that aren’t important to me. There’s one “full discussion” that should be 
> part of the installation but I don’t see it. I’ll keep digging through these 
> conversations.
> 
> Does anyone know of a player that is (a) very stable [like Clementine], and 
> (b) documented ?
> 
> I tried Rhythmbox, but it kept freezing on me. Apparently that’s a known 
> problem.
> Rhythmbox apparently has no way to stop after a song if other songs are 
> inline, so that was another deal-breaker.
> But I can thank Rhythmbox for leading me to an iTunes playlist converter. No 
> other music players seem ready to import playlist data. Rhythmbox imported it 
> initially but I had to bail due to freezes. But I still have that conversion 
> file, and was able to produce a nice text file that we can search for 
> history. (Newer versions of iTunes do not produce XML conversion data, but 
> mine was a little older so the file was there.)
> 
> Current problems I’m working with Clementine are:
> 
> It says X-ing a tab for a saved playlist will delete the playlist because 
> it’s not a “Favorite,” but doesn’t tell us how to make it a favorite. The red 
> heart at the bottom doesn’t do it. These are saved files. Our first attempt 
> saved a playlist that we can hide without deleting, even though I see no 
> indicator that it is a “favorite,” but the next two are “not a favorite”. 
> I’ll continue to read all discussions I can find.
> 
> We can only mark one song at a time to stop at the end. Once it stops after a 
> song, that flag is removed. So their whole concept 

Clementine music player, or something better?

[Victor Odhner]

I’m using Clementine to keep playlists, playing songs one at a time.

(I have migrated from my Mac Mini because it’s vintage 2009, out of support. I 
looked for a newer Mac Mini but the newest model is five years old. I went to 
Linux because I don’t trust Apple or Microsoft not to jerk us around, and I 
want to have a pretty stable 10-year solution. Of course it was cheaper too, 
but that wasn’t the main issue.

What I want: When running an event, we step through all of the songs in a 
single playlist. Songs are played in order, stopping after each one.

What I *don’t* need in a music player is what seem to be the most popular 
features:
  Ability to play a whole playlist as a unit, or at random;
  Access to download from music sources; and,
  Flashy graphics, or album and performer information.

Clementine is very popular and has behaved consistently for me. It lacks *any* 
real documentation except lots of discussions, mostly about features that 
aren’t important to me. There’s one “full discussion” that should be part of 
the installation but I don’t see it. I’ll keep digging through these 
conversations.

Does anyone know of a player that is (a) very stable [like Clementine], and (b) 
documented ?

I tried Rhythmbox, but it kept freezing on me. Apparently that’s a known 
problem.
Rhythmbox apparently has no way to stop after a song if other songs are inline, 
so that was another deal-breaker.
But I can thank Rhythmbox for leading me to an iTunes playlist converter. No 
other music players seem ready to import playlist data. Rhythmbox imported it 
initially but I had to bail due to freezes. But I still have that conversion 
file, and was able to produce a nice text file that we can search for history. 
(Newer versions of iTunes do not produce XML conversion data, but mine was a 
little older so the file was there.)

Current problems I’m working with Clementine are:

It says X-ing a tab for a saved playlist will delete the playlist because it’s 
not a “Favorite,” but doesn’t tell us how to make it a favorite. The red heart 
at the bottom doesn’t do it. These are saved files. Our first attempt saved a 
playlist that we can hide without deleting, even though I see no indicator that 
it is a “favorite,” but the next two are “not a favorite”. I’ll continue to 
read all discussions I can find.

We can only mark one song at a time to stop at the end. Once it stops after a 
song, that flag is removed. So their whole concept of a playlist is start it 
and it plays through. I’d like to mark a whole playlist to stop at the end of a 
song. This problem is liveable.

Thanks,

Victor


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Re: Unrecognized Monitor

[Victor Odhner]

Thanks, all.

I ran out of time to play with the VGA connection, although I might have done 
better by fixing the typos that were pointed out to me.

I concluded that I should simply get with current technology and go all HDMI. 
That same monitor/TV automatically came up on 1080p, rock solid.

I’ve learned that the VGA connection is effectively a different monitor. It’s 
good that we have xrandr and that we can hack so freely in Linux, but that 
doesn’t fit the project I’m working which may be supported by its busy users.

As for my KVM, I can pair that other computer with my personal PC instead, 
since it was for my occasional use and 1024x768 is fine.

BTW, the KVMs for HDMI run $50.

Thanks Again,
Victor
_

On 20180302, at 11:59, Matt Graham  wrote:

On 2018-03-01 17:47, Richard Wilson wrote:
> On SouthPole, if the screen resolution doesn't come up as 1280x1024,
> then as root 
use xrandr to get the display name:

xrandr should be usable by whoever's running the current X session.  At least, 
I've never needed root to use xrandr.

[snip stuff that sounds correct and will probably work]
> More recently I am also using a TV as a monitor -- I had to jump
> through some hoops to disable overscanning on the HDMI port

"xrandr --output HDMI-1 --set underscan on" should work.  The man page doesn't 
totally make that clear, but that's what worked for me.  Confusingly enough, 
you can usually set one of a TV's HDMI inputs to something like "PC mode" where 
it'll expect input without overscan.  This causes trouble if you plug other 
HDMI sources into that port, since many/most of these output overscanned video 
by default.

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Re: Unrecognized Monitor stuck at 1024x768

[Victor Odhner]

I went the easy way too, but Linux doesn’t recognize the monitor (hence the 
subject line) and offers a max of 1024x768 which doesn’t even fill the screen.

I also searched for Visio drivers and found none.

The “xrandr” method shown below seems to be the tool currently used to force 
resolution on an unknown monitor.
After five years “in recovery” from hacking Linux, I’m re-learning . . .

I’m using the VGA port since I’m talking to this monitor via a KVM that only 
knows VGA. I’ll try HDMI temporarily but then I won’t be able to juggle 
operation with a Mac Mini.

___

On 20180301, at 05:06, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:

I am a simple guy, so I go the easy way first...   :)
I have been able to control any display (including HDMI, 2 VGA's in a DVI) on 
desktops and laptops using 'Menu' -> 'Preferences' -> 'Display'
And it is persistent.
What problem are you having with it?
ET 
__

Victor Odhner writes: 

I'm trying to bring an unknown monitor up to full resolution.
It's a Visio E241-A1 (TV set), claiming 1920x1080.
I’m running Linux Mint 18.3 Sylvia, with Mate.
The computer (a new desktop) also drives an HDMI cable to a projector, but 
that’s turned off right now.

I used --newmode with xrandr and it seemed to accept that,
but then the --addmode said it didn’t know the new mode:

xrandr: cannot find mode 1920x1080_60.00

Details below.
So, is there a way to make this work?

The Details:

xrandr: cannot find mode 1920x1080_60.00

Here's the advice I've been working for:

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/227876/how-to-set-custom-resolution-using-xrandr-when-the-resolution-is-not-available-i
 
<https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/227876/how-to-set-custom-resolution-using-xrandr-when-the-resolution-is-not-available-i>

Original source: https://gist.github.com/debloper/2793261 
<https://gist.github.com/debloper/2793261>

vodhner@MusicTeam ~ $ xrandr -q
Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1024 x 768, maximum 32767 x 32767
DP1 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm
   1024x768  60.00* 
   800x600   60.3256.25  
   848x480   60.00  
   640x480   59.94  
HDMI1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
HDMI2 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
HDMI3 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis

vodhner@MusicTeam ~ $ gtf 1020 1080 60

  # 1024x1080 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 67.08 kHz; pclk: 92.30 MHz
  Modeline "1024x1080_60.00"  92.30  1024 1088 1200 1376  1080 1081 1084 1118  
-HSync +Vsync

vodhner@MusicTeam ~ $ xrandr --newmode "1024x1080_60.00"  92.30  1024 1088 1200 
1376  1080 1081 1084 1118  -HSync +Vsync

vodhner@MusicTeam ~ $ xrandr --addmode DP1 "1920x1080_60.00"
xrandr: cannot find mode "1920x1080_60.00"

vodhner@MusicTeam ~ $ xrandr --output DP1 --mode "1920x1080_60.00"
xrandr: cannot find mode 1920x1080_60.00
vodhner@MusicTeam ~ $ 

Thanks,

Victor

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Unrecognized Monitor

[Victor Odhner]

I'm trying to bring an unknown monitor up to full resolution.
It's a Visio E241-A1 (TV set), claiming 1920x1080.
I’m running Linux Mint 18.3 Sylvia, with Mate.
The computer (a new desktop) also drives an HDMI cable to a projector, but 
that’s turned off right now.

I used --newmode with xrandr and it seemed to accept that,
but then the --addmode said it didn’t know the new mode:

xrandr: cannot find mode 1920x1080_60.00

Details below.
So, is there a way to make this work?

The Details:

xrandr: cannot find mode 1920x1080_60.00

Here's the advice I've been working for:

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/227876/how-to-set-custom-resolution-using-xrandr-when-the-resolution-is-not-available-i

Original source: https://gist.github.com/debloper/2793261

vodhner@MusicTeam ~ $ xrandr -q
Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1024 x 768, maximum 32767 x 32767
DP1 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm
   1024x768  60.00* 
   800x600   60.3256.25  
   848x480   60.00  
   640x480   59.94  
HDMI1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
HDMI2 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
HDMI3 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis

vodhner@MusicTeam ~ $ gtf 1020 1080 60

  # 1024x1080 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 67.08 kHz; pclk: 92.30 MHz
  Modeline "1024x1080_60.00"  92.30  1024 1088 1200 1376  1080 1081 1084 1118  
-HSync +Vsync

vodhner@MusicTeam ~ $ xrandr --newmode "1024x1080_60.00"  92.30  1024 1088 1200 
1376  1080 1081 1084 1118  -HSync +Vsync

vodhner@MusicTeam ~ $ xrandr --addmode DP1 "1920x1080_60.00"
xrandr: cannot find mode "1920x1080_60.00"

vodhner@MusicTeam ~ $ xrandr --output DP1 --mode "1920x1080_60.00"
xrandr: cannot find mode 1920x1080_60.00
vodhner@MusicTeam ~ $ 

Thanks,

Victor
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Re: Post : INTEL’S SECURITY FLAW IS NO FLAW

[Victor Odhner]

This is just another result of monoculture. When Apple gave up on Motorola 
CPUs, it occurred to me that we would have basically a single computer 
structure. It appears that this “management” thing (actually a very cute name 
for something that manages everybody, if true) would go around a lot of this 
anyway. But while Linux is fine for bypassing things we might not like about 
Windows or OS X, the fact is that the hardware world has become very uniform, 
so some things we may not like are kind of universal.

Not that someone couldn’t develop a whole new computer architecture. But 
another fact is that the hardware and firmware logic have so many layers, and 
so many of those layers are so 1960s and how they work is so totally forgotten, 
coming up with a different architecture would be a 30-year project!

The original Space Shuttle had at least two versions of software, and I think 
they also tried to build more than one hardware system, so that a bug wouldn’t 
take the whole thing down. Pretty hard to do something like that, back then, 
but quite impossible today.
__

On 20180110, at 12:15, Matthew Crews  wrote:
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: Post : INTEL’S SECURITY FLAW IS NO FLAW
> Local Time: January 10, 2018 10:33 AM
> UTC Time: January 10, 2018 5:33 PM
> From: retro64...@gmail.com
> To: Main PLUG discussion list 
> 
> 
> I thought we all knew that intel has hardware level access points baked into 
> the system specifically for the INTELigence agencies. 
> 
> See what I did there? Hah!
> 
> But seriously... If its not baked in, they just intercept devices in the mail 
> and solder in their own goodies. So what does it REALLY matter if they just 
> do it blanket instead of one at a time? Maybe cpu prices will go down. ...
> 
> On Jan 10, 2018, at 9:39 AM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Who knows if this is true, however here it is:  
>> 
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/CBTS_Stream/comments/7pb7pv/intels_security_flaw_is_no_flaw/?st=jc9a2mp7=7ef2e2c1

I'm leery to buy into conspiracy theories like this, nor posts on 4chan as fact 
(the reddit post is clearly a screenshot of a 4chan post), but in this day and 
age this would not surprise me in the least if this is true.
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OT: Major Intel Memory Vulnerability - worse than Y2K?

[Victor Odhner]

So, Eric — You don’t think Y2K had consequences?
:)

It just happened to be a raft of stupid bugs that the industry dealt with in 
time.
I was coding around Y2K bugs as early as 1979, as were lots of other people, 
just matter of factly planning on Y2K, but some of the older and more primitive 
stuff wasn’t being looked at until the late 1990s, and lots of production lines 
would have gone nuts.

As for how much damage this year's vulnerability will do, yeah, strap in for 
the ride. Hopefully it will help people think about Internet of Things. (Banned 
from my house, as much as possible, but I can’t control my Vizio TV.)

And self-driving cars are going to be scarey, but I’ll need a driver in another 
10 years if I’m still around. I might already be more dangerous behind the 
wheel than a compromised automatic driver . . . . But I agree with Stephen, at 
least they need an air gap between the Internet and the robotic driver.

Even then, some rich kids *will* get kidnapped on the way to school by their 
hacked chauffeur-bots, it’s bound to happen, too obvious. And remember the TV 
series “Extant,” where the top robotics guy was assassinated by the central 
computer which locked him in his car on the railroad track. (I’m sorry, Dave….)
__

On 20180105, at 11:27, Eric Oyen  wrote:

oh boy. This sounds like another Y2K problem, only this one has some reality 
about it and real consequences.

-eric
from the central offices of the Technomage Guild, Truth or Consequences Dept.


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OT: New Email Home?

[Victor Odhner]

I want to open a new email account, using a good solid provider with decent 
security. My requirements aren’t paranoid, but I don’t want another Yahoo.

I’m willing to pay something like $20 - $40 a year for a reputable service with 
no ads.

I could use Startmail (I do my searches via StartPage), but that’s $60/year and 
I don’t need all that encryption, though I wouldn’t turn it down.

Suggestions? Experience?


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Re: Good Cheap PC to play MP3s and MP4 video? (Was: OT Mac Mini obsolescent?)

[Victor Odhner]

Hi, Eric.

I’m not too sure what you’re saying; you speak of a newer mac mini but sound 
pretty satisfied with what you have.

I decided against Mac Mini, but Fry’s has one for $378 this week, in case you 
have a way to do that, and in case they haven’t sold out yet. (I could help you 
get it, logistically, but I can’t offer any money.)

My son talked me out of buying that, saying that Mac is too expensive (he used 
to be an Apple fan), and I’m definitely going to build a conventional Linux 
desktop now.

As for VLC, I do understand it’s the most popular. The one I use through a 
projector is MPV (thanks again to Aaron for the tip) because it was the first 
one I found that lets me come up pointed at the projector’s screen, full-screen 
mode, and waiting for a keystroke to begin. At the end, it has an option to 
freeze the last frame rather than quitting. And it lets me project nothing but 
the video, with all control stuff appearing to the local screen: I run it from 
the command line. MPV is perfect for my needs, so I can’t beat that.
_

On 20171207, at 19:37, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:

well, if soeone is willing to help me get a newer mac mini (my budget won't 
support it anytime in the next century).. I am running this old macbook (2007 
whitebook) and it is capable of playing virtually any audio or video content. 
that's just on OS X Lion. I have tried Linux on here without too much 
difficulty, so I know it works. btw, VLC still has a player for linux, so there 
is your player app of choice.

btw, the battery on this unit toasted a long time ago, so I run it strictly on 
the included PSU. It's a low wattage unit. about the only things needed to be 
done here are to clean the keyboard/case and probably the display. I am blind, 
so I have no idea how cruddy this thing has gotten over the last 6 years.

-eric
from the central offices of the Technomage Guild, Sales and Trades Dept.

On Dec 6, 2017, at 10:46 AM, Victor Odhner wrote:

> OK, I’ve decided on Linux. (No longer OT!)
> 
> I need recommendations on an adequate PC to run stereo music and videos 
> (1920x1080 projector) for a church.
> 
> I decided that Linux would be best to ensure that we can have good 
> performance and up-to-date software for this well-defined application. We 
> wouldn’t be at the mercy of Apple or Microsoft dragging us around a sharp 
> corner. My main backup guy has been using Linux (Mint, like me) for some 
> years, and the apps are basic enough that our other users would be 
> comfortable.
> 
> I’d like to keep this as cheap as reasonable, concentrating on solid quality 
> (e.g. really adequate power supply) so that we wouldn’t have to worry about 
> it for 5 to 10 years. I’d want all parts to be brand new, or almost.
> 
> Is there still a Linux systems store in the Valley? Should I just put 
> together a box with parts from Fry’s or the Web?
> 
> Hey, is there someone out there who would like to give me a quote for an 
> assembled box? (I have kb, monitor and mouse.)
> 
> Thanks,
> Victor
> _
> 
> On 20171130, at 14:55, Stephen Partington <cryptwo...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> well if you are looking to maintain portability you can look at the Intel 
> NUC. but really this relies entirely on what your budget is.
> 
> Looking at your existing application Digital Performer installs on Windows or 
> OSX, also you can look into the Hackintosh. there are some build guides out 
> there that run with a fully tested hardware configs to consider. 
> 
> But the Mac mini is a viable system even with the age of the device. 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Carruth, Rusty <rusty.carr...@smartm.com 
> <mailto:rusty.carr...@smartm.com>> wrote:
> I’m not very happy with Micro$oft’s product, especially 10 (have you actually 
> tried to install 10?  I have.  Goodness, talk about a step back into 
> pre-history!  It refused to install because there was a CHANCE that it 
> wouldn’t boot – even though I had just proven that it WOULD boot in that 
> configuration – and no way to override their ‘help’!)
> 
> So, for me, its ‘buy the most powerful, RAM-loaded system I can manage (with 
> SSD if possible), and install Linux Mint.
> 
> But that’s just me ;-)
> 
> From: PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org 
> <mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org>] On Behalf Of David Schwartz
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:23 PM
> To: Main PLUG discussion list
> Subject: Re: OT: Mac Mini obsolescent? When next release?
> 
> I’d be tempted to get an all-in-one Windows machine (most seem to have 
> touch-screens now) or a small iMac.
> 
> AIO Windows machines are well under $1k.
> 
> Stick to the KISS principle her

VPN recommendations, again

[Victor Odhner]

I’m due to renew my subscription to Hotspot Shield as my VPN provider.

Before I spend more on this, anybody have another recommendation? I’m willing 
to pay.

What I want in a VPN is some protection of my ID and data, most importantly 
when I’m using a public hotspot but even when I’m at home on Cox.

So based on your experience, anyone see a better choice for that specific 
purpose?

I noted these comments in a recent discussion of VPN services:
I've used ProtonVPN for a bit. They seem OK, and have a solid privacy policy, 
though their service quality on the free tier is low.
I use both VPN Unlimited and PIA VPN. 
I've used ProtonVPN for a bit. They seem OK, and have a solid privacy policy,
I'm fond of ipredator.se. I'm unfond of vypervpn. 
I use ip vanish on my PC and my phone.
OpenVPN comes to the top of my list
Hotspot Shield has been OK. My only gripe is that sometimes Google Maps decides 
I’m in Brazil or the UK and I can’t dissuade it, even though I had been using 
USA as my country.

I have to turn VPN off to get to certain sites, but I presume any VPN would be 
recognized and blocked by those sites.

Hotspot Shield works pretty smoothly, for as little as $5.99 a month for a 
one-year subscription or a $119.99 one-time payment. I’m considering doing the 
one-shot payment, having bought in for smaller periods until now. I haven’t 
used it on other devices yet, but would like to put it on my phone; I think 
they allow you three devices on an account.

I like the idea of some anonymity, but i’m not paranoid about that. Sometimes I 
play the Japan card or the UK card or whatever, but that’s just for fun. I 
don’t know of any region-blocked content that I’d want to reach.

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Re: Good Cheap PC to play MP3s and MP4 video? (Was: OT Mac Mini obsolescent?)

[Victor Odhner]

Thanks, Bob.

My wife has a chromebook. It saved us a few bucks and she’s OK with it, but it 
wasted a lot of my time working around it to get printing done: now if she 
wants to print something double-sided she prints it single and then sends me to 
Fedex Office to run copies double sided. I don’t like having exactly one way to 
do something, when I can have choices. And I see no need to ship my data 
offsite, over a link that just gives us one more component to fail, so that the 
data can come back.
:)

I know chromebook will grow up, but it’s not ready. I depend totally on Google 
Calendar, and a few years ago outgrew the stage where it kept losing data.

So thanks for helping Google perfect their stuff. I’m just a dinosaur. I even 
have a little hobby of keeping my data away from Google when its benefits 
aren’t compelling. (Yeah, I know that’s futile, it’s just a game for me.)
__

On 20171206, at 16:39, Bob Elzer <bob.el...@gmail.com> wrote:

Why not just buy a google chromecast.

Then you can send anything you want to it. You could get a chromebook (lots of 
cheap ones) or send it from most phones (Android phones are linux). You can 
even cast from a google home mini.

Google Chromecast $35
Google Home mini.   $30 currently (requires internet)
Chromebook  $100-$400 

You could get all 3 for under $200

Does the church have wifi?  if not, you'd have to add that in.



On Dec 6, 2017 10:46 AM, "Victor Odhner" <vodh...@cox.net 
<mailto:vodh...@cox.net>> wrote:
OK, I’ve decided on Linux. (No longer OT!)

I need recommendations on an adequate PC to run stereo music and videos 
(1920x1080 projector) for a church.

I decided that Linux would be best to ensure that we can have good performance 
and up-to-date software for this well-defined application. We wouldn’t be at 
the mercy of Apple or Microsoft dragging us around a sharp corner. My main 
backup guy has been using Linux (Mint, like me) for some years, and the apps 
are basic enough that our other users would be comfortable.

I’d like to keep this as cheap as reasonable, concentrating on solid quality 
(e.g. really adequate power supply) so that we wouldn’t have to worry about it 
for 5 to 10 years. I’d want all parts to be brand new, or almost.

Is there still a Linux systems store in the Valley? Should I just put together 
a box with parts from Fry’s or the Web?

Hey, is there someone out there who would like to give me a quote for an 
assembled box? (I have kb, monitor and mouse.)

Thanks,
Victor
_

On 20171130, at 14:55, Stephen Partington <cryptwo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

well if you are looking to maintain portability you can look at the Intel NUC. 
but really this relies entirely on what your budget is.

Looking at your existing application Digital Performer installs on Windows or 
OSX, also you can look into the Hackintosh. there are some build guides out 
there that run with a fully tested hardware configs to consider. 

But the Mac mini is a viable system even with the age of the device. 

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Carruth, Rusty <rusty.carr...@smartm.com 
<mailto:rusty.carr...@smartm.com>> wrote:
I’m not very happy with Micro$oft’s product, especially 10 (have you actually 
tried to install 10?  I have.  Goodness, talk about a step back into 
pre-history!  It refused to install because there was a CHANCE that it wouldn’t 
boot – even though I had just proven that it WOULD boot in that configuration – 
and no way to override their ‘help’!)

So, for me, its ‘buy the most powerful, RAM-loaded system I can manage (with 
SSD if possible), and install Linux Mint.

But that’s just me ;-)

From: PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org 
<mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org>] On Behalf Of David Schwartz
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:23 PM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: OT: Mac Mini obsolescent? When next release?

I’d be tempted to get an all-in-one Windows machine (most seem to have 
touch-screens now) or a small iMac.

AIO Windows machines are well under $1k.

Stick to the KISS principle here. :-)

-David Schwartz

On Nov 30, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Victor Odhner <vodh...@cox.net 
<mailto:vodh...@cox.net>> wrote:

Spun off from the Genius discussion:

The Apple CEO reportedly says Mini is still part of their product line, but he 
won’t say anything about the next release.

I was another Mini shopper, for supportability and video resolution reasons. 
Our church music team needs to update a 2009 Mini. I want to get a new desktop 
(laptop wouldn’t fit our config): my goal is to give them hopefully 5+ years of 
reliable operation. Any comments would be welcome.

Now looking at ditching the Mini, going to Windows or Linux to drive our video 
projector (MPV rocks) and an MP3 player. The Mini is where our Digital 
Performer lives (music synthesizer), but I’ve converted m

Trust Recycled Desktops? (Was: Good Cheap PC < Was: OT Mac Mini obsolescent?)

[Victor Odhner]

Mike, this is for a small church. The apps are so simple (playing MP3s or MP4s) 
that repairs would not be complicated and might be substitution of another 
computer. But I really want to stack the odds for reliability as much as I can 
(within reason). My simple mind has leaned towards all new components.

So, some questions:
Am I unreasonable to distrust recycled desktops?
Todd, how old are the “parts computers” that you have been buying?
Are brand-new computers an improved technology, or maybe lower quality assembly?
Would my project suffer from sitting idle most of each week?
I have had a bad experience with second hand, but that was laptops.

(I’ve been told that laptop failures are all on the mother board, or those 
built-to-fail power cords.)

But my application is different: it’s a desktop, which will be sitting on a 
shelf and being run for just a few hours a week. I expect that would be more 
reliable over time, and desktops let us swap components.
_

On 20171206, at 14:45, Michael Butash <mich...@butash.net> wrote:

If this is going to run for a business, I'd suggest buying a moderate dell 
server or decent workstation ala precision or poweredge.  You can get 40-50% 
off deals from Dell Financial Services regularly for some 2-3yr old hardware, 
and still get some warranty.  I always buy Dell Outlet refurbs, get full 
warranty, and wait for good coupons on whatever I'm looking for at the time.

If it dies, you probably want to know you can get a part replaced reasonably 
fast.  Fry's never fails to let me down when I need some critical in a pinch 
not having it, and there's really no where else left local.

-mb

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Victor Odhner <vodh...@cox.net 
<mailto:vodh...@cox.net>> wrote:
OK, I’ve decided on Linux. (No longer OT!)

I need recommendations on an adequate PC to run stereo music and videos 
(1920x1080 projector) for a church.

I decided that Linux would be best to ensure that we can have good performance 
and up-to-date software for this well-defined application. We wouldn’t be at 
the mercy of Apple or Microsoft dragging us around a sharp corner. My main 
backup guy has been using Linux (Mint, like me) for some years, and the apps 
are basic enough that our other users would be comfortable.

I’d like to keep this as cheap as reasonable, concentrating on solid quality 
(e.g. really adequate power supply) so that we wouldn’t have to worry about it 
for 5 to 10 years. I’d want all parts to be brand new, or almost.

Is there still a Linux systems store in the Valley? Should I just put together 
a box with parts from Fry’s or the Web?

Hey, is there someone out there who would like to give me a quote for an 
assembled box? (I have kb, monitor and mouse.)

Thanks,
Victor
_

On 20171130, at 14:55, Stephen Partington <cryptwo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

well if you are looking to maintain portability you can look at the Intel NUC. 
but really this relies entirely on what your budget is.

Looking at your existing application Digital Performer installs on Windows or 
OSX, also you can look into the Hackintosh. there are some build guides out 
there that run with a fully tested hardware configs to consider. 

But the Mac mini is a viable system even with the age of the device. 

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Carruth, Rusty <rusty.carr...@smartm.com 
<mailto:rusty.carr...@smartm.com>> wrote:
I’m not very happy with Micro$oft’s product, especially 10 (have you actually 
tried to install 10?  I have.  Goodness, talk about a step back into 
pre-history!  It refused to install because there was a CHANCE that it wouldn’t 
boot – even though I had just proven that it WOULD boot in that configuration – 
and no way to override their ‘help’!)

So, for me, its ‘buy the most powerful, RAM-loaded system I can manage (with 
SSD if possible), and install Linux Mint.

But that’s just me ;-)

From: PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org 
<mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org>] On Behalf Of David Schwartz
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:23 PM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: OT: Mac Mini obsolescent? When next release?

I’d be tempted to get an all-in-one Windows machine (most seem to have 
touch-screens now) or a small iMac.

AIO Windows machines are well under $1k.

Stick to the KISS principle here. :-)

-David Schwartz

On Nov 30, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Victor Odhner <vodh...@cox.net 
<mailto:vodh...@cox.net>> wrote:

Spun off from the Genius discussion:

The Apple CEO reportedly says Mini is still part of their product line, but he 
won’t say anything about the next release.

I was another Mini shopper, for supportability and video resolution reasons. 
Our church music team needs to update a 2009 Mini. I want to get a new desktop 
(laptop wouldn’t fit our config): my goal is to give them hopefully 5+ years of 
rel

Good Cheap PC to play MP3s and MP4 video? (Was: OT Mac Mini obsolescent?)

[Victor Odhner]

OK, I’ve decided on Linux. (No longer OT!)

I need recommendations on an adequate PC to run stereo music and videos 
(1920x1080 projector) for a church.

I decided that Linux would be best to ensure that we can have good performance 
and up-to-date software for this well-defined application. We wouldn’t be at 
the mercy of Apple or Microsoft dragging us around a sharp corner. My main 
backup guy has been using Linux (Mint, like me) for some years, and the apps 
are basic enough that our other users would be comfortable.

I’d like to keep this as cheap as reasonable, concentrating on solid quality 
(e.g. really adequate power supply) so that we wouldn’t have to worry about it 
for 5 to 10 years. I’d want all parts to be brand new, or almost.

Is there still a Linux systems store in the Valley? Should I just put together 
a box with parts from Fry’s or the Web?

Hey, is there someone out there who would like to give me a quote for an 
assembled box? (I have kb, monitor and mouse.)

Thanks,
Victor
_

On 20171130, at 14:55, Stephen Partington <cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

well if you are looking to maintain portability you can look at the Intel NUC. 
but really this relies entirely on what your budget is.

Looking at your existing application Digital Performer installs on Windows or 
OSX, also you can look into the Hackintosh. there are some build guides out 
there that run with a fully tested hardware configs to consider. 

But the Mac mini is a viable system even with the age of the device. 

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Carruth, Rusty <rusty.carr...@smartm.com 
<mailto:rusty.carr...@smartm.com>> wrote:
I’m not very happy with Micro$oft’s product, especially 10 (have you actually 
tried to install 10?  I have.  Goodness, talk about a step back into 
pre-history!  It refused to install because there was a CHANCE that it wouldn’t 
boot – even though I had just proven that it WOULD boot in that configuration – 
and no way to override their ‘help’!)

So, for me, its ‘buy the most powerful, RAM-loaded system I can manage (with 
SSD if possible), and install Linux Mint.

But that’s just me ;-)

From: PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org 
<mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org>] On Behalf Of David Schwartz
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:23 PM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: OT: Mac Mini obsolescent? When next release?

I’d be tempted to get an all-in-one Windows machine (most seem to have 
touch-screens now) or a small iMac.

AIO Windows machines are well under $1k.

Stick to the KISS principle here. :-)

-David Schwartz

On Nov 30, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Victor Odhner <vodh...@cox.net 
<mailto:vodh...@cox.net>> wrote:

Spun off from the Genius discussion:

The Apple CEO reportedly says Mini is still part of their product line, but he 
won’t say anything about the next release.

I was another Mini shopper, for supportability and video resolution reasons. 
Our church music team needs to update a 2009 Mini. I want to get a new desktop 
(laptop wouldn’t fit our config): my goal is to give them hopefully 5+ years of 
reliable operation. Any comments would be welcome.

Now looking at ditching the Mini, going to Windows or Linux to drive our video 
projector (MPV rocks) and an MP3 player. The Mini is where our Digital 
Performer lives (music synthesizer), but I’ve converted most of our library to 
MP3s and I can still use the old Mini if I need to get creative.

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OT: Mac Mini obsolescent? When next release?

[Victor Odhner]

Spun off from the Genius discussion:

The Apple CEO reportedly says Mini is still part of their product line, but he 
won’t say anything about the next release.

I was another Mini shopper, for supportability and video resolution reasons. 
Our church music team needs to update a 2009 Mini. I want to get a *new* 
desktop (laptop wouldn’t fit our config): my goal is to give them hopefully 5+ 
years of reliable operation. Any comments would be welcome.

Now looking at ditching the Mini, going to Windows or Linux to drive our video 
projector (MPV rocks) and an MP3 player. The Mini is where our Digital 
Performer lives (music synthesizer), but I’ve converted most of our library to 
MP3s and I can still use the old Mini if I need to get creative.

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Re: The demise of the programmer

[Victor Odhner]

I just found time to catch up with PLUG, and now as an obsolete programmer (in 
recovery for 4.5 years) I have to ramble a bit.

But in a few words, my point is: human thought builds on the past. Of course, 
learning details of old skills may be interesting, but ceases to be profitable 
for most. We need to create new things, learn new ways to perceive and tackle 
bigger challenges. There are opportunities out there that we can’t even imagine 
until we go for it.

In Heinlen’s 1953 story, Starman Jones serves as a “computerman," flipping 
switches to enter astrogation data in raw binary. That’s how they did things in 
1953’s future. Some of the early Star Trek tools and procedures became comical 
as reality overtook fiction. (I remember a programmer deftly entering binary 
addresses or commands, one octade with each swipe of his hand, to boot up a big 
I/O unit, back about 1969.)

First there was raw code, octal or hex. Someone invented the assembler, that 
made it more readable and supplied some macros. Then came the FORmula 
TRANslator (aka compiler), a giant step. My programming started with ALGOL, and 
I went through obscure languages including some Prolog, and ended with C, shell 
and Perl. I became a dinosaur as Java took hold — I had burnt out learning all 
that an asterisk means in umpteen languages. I made web pages in 1994, and now 
I can’t read the source code of the enormous, multilayered machine-generated 
pages.

Where I now volunteer doing facilities chores, I just fell off my IT-recovery 
wagon to learn Access and SharePoint (yeah, they’re committed to MS) to build a 
simple work-order entry and reporting tool. In my first hour of study I was 
informed by a Microsoft message box that we should move on to PowerApps 
instead, because it’s mobile-savvy and has more layers of ready-made tooling. I 
wouldn’t want to leave StreetLightUSA.com looking for the last decade’s 
obsolete MS skills . . . .

I see a continuous growth of new layers, so that we no longer think about what 
lies beneath. Hardware logic was built with vacuum tubes, and now we have CPU 
chips with a lot of the same logic: they don’t have to create much logic now, 
though a few brilliant people may be inventing new stuff; mostly they just use 
existing designs. Engineers became programmers, using a programming language to 
evoke known bits of logic into the design of chips.

Starting in 1890 my father’s cousin Willgodt built Odhner Arithmometers 
(calculators) by the thousands, and millions of clones were produced worldwide 
until electronic calculators took their place. For my part, in about 1970, I 
did semi-automation to install 18,000 wires onto each 6x2 foot CPU back-panel; 
now the phone in my pocket puts that high-end system to shame. Everything 
shrinks, and gets more complex.

My PC has hardware logic, the BIOS, the operating kernel, the services of the 
OS, and applications such as web browsers. I can write straight HTML, but then 
they added javacode, but wait, there’s more: layer upon layer of canned tools 
to save the webmaster from the need to create new code. Now lots of people can 
make web sites, complex ones, in a hurry. And it looks like there’s a big 
demand, but not for hacking a lot of HTML.

Arthur C. Clarke publicized the idea of the geostationary broadcast and 
telecommunications satellite, and addressed the problems of power (a 
solar-driven steam engine) and maintenance (someone had to be there, to change 
failed vacuum tubes). He projected that the idea could be realized within 50 
years. He didn’t know that a modern photocell would be patented the next year, 
and transistors would emerge a year later. The first satellite-relayed phone 
call (JFK to the president of Nigeria) came in 1963. He was one of the 
brightest of us, a brilliant futurist, but he under-estimated how fast things 
are moving.

Dr. Edsger Dijkstra, a prominent computer scientist, visited us at the big 
Honeywell Informations Systems factory in Phoenix (now a Best Buy), for 
Engineers’ Day, and gave us a talk about proof of correctness in programming. 
During the break, over a soda, I commented to him that my program code was 
simple minded, but most of my work was determining what results we wanted. He 
nodded, and after the break made a disclaimer with words to this effect:
The specification is a firewall between the pleasantness issue and the 
correctness issue. Correctness applies to the program code, and its correctness 
can be proven. But nobody can prove that what you asked for will be what you 
really wanted.

It’s fun coding to the bare metal, but yes, it’s mostly been done.

A programmer-analyst is a translator, converting requests and observations into 
an approximation of the desired automation. But those skills apply to lots of 
things, not just automation. The involve listening, observing, thinking 
logically, giving a hoot, and being willing to step outside the box.

Programming as we know it will be obsolete, but 

Re: OT: video player with controls on other monitor

[Victor Odhner]

Thanks, Aaron!

Wow. Mpv is a great improvement over QuickTime, to say the least. Works 
beautifully.

And I can take this to Linux or apparently even Windows.

I learned that I can watch progress by seconds in the command line, and 
start/stop it at will, in a keystroke, without moving the pointer into the 
audience’s view. That barely scratches the surface of things you can do from 
the command line: you name it, they’ve got it. But it may be all I need.

Mac Install: https://coalgirls.wakku.to/faq/playback/compiling-mpv-on-mac-os-x 
<https://coalgirls.wakku.to/faq/playback/compiling-mpv-on-mac-os-x> (It worked, 
in spite of “errors”)

Manpage: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/mpv.1.html 
<http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/mpv.1.html>  ( > 8k lines )

Thanks again,
Victor


On Sep 17, 2017, at 22:01:56, Aaron Jones <retro64...@gmail.com> wrote:

Mpv from the command line. 

Then all the controls work off the command line or the minimal gui. 

> On Sep 17, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Victor Odhner <vodh...@cox.net> wrote:
> 
> Is there a video player that can display a video on one monitor (a 
> projector), with the control bar on the other monitor?
> 
> Keyboard controls help, but for example I want to see where I am in the 
> program, and if it’s running, if in a static splash screen. Also, a visual 
> control bar is friendlier if a non-techie is running it, but we don’t want to 
> clutter the movie.
> 
> My usual search expression vocabulary has abandoned me in this case, maybe 
> because the feature I’m looking for is not of interest for most users so 
> doesn’t get mentioned in reviews.
> 
> I’m doing it on a Macbook, but I might try a Linux guest (or even windows as 
> last resort) if that’s the only answer.
> 
> Thanks,
> Victor Odhner
> 
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OT: video player with controls on other monitor

[Victor Odhner]

Is there a video player that can display a video on one monitor (a projector), 
with the control bar on the other monitor?

Keyboard controls help, but for example I want to see where I am in the 
program, and if it’s running, if in a static splash screen. Also, a visual 
control bar is friendlier if a non-techie is running it, but we don’t want to 
clutter the movie.

My usual search expression vocabulary has abandoned me in this case, maybe 
because the feature I’m looking for is not of interest for most users so 
doesn’t get mentioned in reviews.

I’m doing it on a Macbook, but I might try a Linux guest (or even windows as 
last resort) if that’s the only answer.

Thanks,
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Re: OT: Chromebook to Network Printer

[Victor Odhner]

Thanks, Stephen.

We went with Cloud Print, which finally worked. It was necessary to browse to 
the printer’s control page, which couldn’t be opened by a browser until the 
WIFI router was restarted, although Windows and MacBook could reach it to print.

I’ll also try the CUPS option since we have it installed. It previously 
couldn’t connect, but maybe the router bounce will do the trick.

Thanks,

Victor
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On Aug 28, 2017, at 07:02:16, Stephen Partington <cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

The chrome printing back-end is such that you can print to your printer from 
home. I think the CUPS implementation would be a preferred way to go unless you 
want to print from android and the like as well.


On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Victor Odhner <vodh...@cox.net 
<mailto:vodh...@cox.net>> wrote:
Wow, this is crazy. I got a new network printer so my wife’s new chromebook 
could print, and it still turns out to be a major project to get this hooked 
up. It’s eaten my whole afternoon, with no success. The only official 
connection they support is via a server at Google, which is downright insane. 
(Fortunately my wife is not concerned with security.)

The printer is a Brother HL-3170cdw color laser printer. The PC is an acer 
chromebook.

My five-year-old macbook didn’t have any problem talking to the printer the Old 
Fashioned Way.

OK, so this is not totally Off Topic: we have Linux behind Chrome, right? 
ChromeOS even offers an option to enable CUPS.

I’ll keep poking at this from different angles, but if this Just Worked for 
someone, I’d appreciate a clue.

Thanks,

Victor

P.S. - Please reply privately to following if interested, since this is 
OFF-Off-Topic: I now have a fully unemployed HP OfficeJet Pro K550. It’s served 
me well for about 10 years, and I’d like to see it go to a good home for an 
active retirement. It holds lots of paper, and prints pretty fast. The downside 
is that it’s got some miles on it and requires a USB connection.


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OT: Chromebook to Network Printer

[Victor Odhner]

Wow, this is crazy. I got a new network printer so my wife’s new chromebook 
could print, and it still turns out to be a major project to get this hooked 
up. It’s eaten my whole afternoon, with no success. The only official 
connection they support is via a server at Google, which is downright insane. 
(Fortunately my wife is not concerned with security.)

The printer is a Brother HL-3170cdw color laser printer. The PC is an acer 
chromebook.

My five-year-old macbook didn’t have any problem talking to the printer the Old 
Fashioned Way.

OK, so this is not totally Off Topic: we have Linux behind Chrome, right? 
ChromeOS even offers an option to enable CUPS.

I’ll keep poking at this from different angles, but if this Just Worked for 
someone, I’d appreciate a clue.

Thanks,

Victor

P.S. - Please reply privately to following if interested, since this is 
OFF-Off-Topic: I now have a fully unemployed HP OfficeJet Pro K550. It’s served 
me well for about 10 years, and I’d like to see it go to a good home for an 
active retirement. It holds lots of paper, and prints pretty fast. The downside 
is that it’s got some miles on it and requires a USB connection.

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OT: Need a Campaign to Secure WIFI Sites

[Victor Odhner]

I’m really annoyed that so many companies offer open WIFI when it would be so 
easy to secure those hot spots.

Restaurants, hotels, and the waiting rooms of auto dealerships are almost 100% 
open.

I am not one to say “there ought to be a law” because we have too many doggone 
laws, and I’m not that into a lot of demonstrating and yelling. But I would 
love to help educate companies on why they should secure their routers.

If I were a progressive type, I’d suggest putting stickers on those venues 
saying:

We don’t have passwords on our WIFI
because OUR WIFI (and YOUR passwords)
should be available to everybody
with no effort!

But being more right-wing, I’d much rather recognize that they’d be happy to do 
the right thing if we could explain it to the right people. 

I’ve repeatedly thanked the mechanic shop I use (C Tire on Tatum) because 
they have a key posted and I can feel sort of safe going online while I wait 
for an oil change. But all the places that have open routers are corporate 
owned so it does no good to gripe to the folks behind the desk.

Any ideas on this?

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OT: Need a Campaign to Secure WIFI Sites

[Victor Odhner]

I’m really annoyed that so many companies offer open WIFI when it would be so 
easy to secure those hot spots.

Restaurants, hotels, and the waiting rooms of auto dealerships are almost 100% 
open.

I am not one to say “there ought to be a law” because we have too many doggone 
laws, and I’m not that into a lot of demonstrating and yelling. But I would 
love to help educate companies on why they should secure their routers.

If I were a progressive type, I’d suggest putting stickers on those venues 
saying:

We don’t have passwords on our WIFI
because OUR WIFI (and YOUR passwords)
should be available to everybody
with no effort!

But being more right-wing, I’d much rather recognize that they’d be happy to do 
the right thing if we could explain it to the right people. 

I’ve repeatedly thanked the mechanic shop I use (C Tire on Tatum) because 
they have a key posted and I can feel sort of safe going online while I wait 
for an oil change. But all the places that have open routers are corporate 
owned so it does no good to gripe to the folks behind the desk.

Any ideas on this?

Thanks,
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Re: Microsoft has created an A.I. that can write its own code

[Victor Odhner]

Hmmm. Did my post get blocked?
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On Mar 9, 2017, at 16:59:21, Keith Smith  wrote:

Yep what we need is smart computers. When all this started computers were 
supposed to create a shorter work week.  Now look what we have.  Racist 
computers - LOL!!



On 2017-03-09 15:32, Anon Anon wrote:
> http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-deletes-racist-genocidal-tweets-from-ai-chatbot-tay-2016-3
> On Mar 9, 2017 15:17, "Stephen Partington" 
> wrote:
>> Really? you took this there.
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Nathan England
>>  wrote:
>> On 2017-03-09 08:47, Anon Anon wrote:
>> How long until they teach this one how to create html filled with
>> explitives and hate speech?
>> I read this and about died laughing. All I could think of was
>> someone designing this software to act like any other liberal
>> online. Write basic html filled with explitives while spouting
>> hateful intolerant garbage, and it has artifical intelligence, just
>> like so many of today's liberals (brainwashed university
>> intellectualism).
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Re: Microsoft has created an A.I. that can write its own code

[Victor Odhner]

We’re talking about computers understanding people. Do people understand people?

Actually, as my friend Randy Galbraith once pointed out, computers have been 
writing code for us since 1957 when FORTRAN was first released. More recently 
we have Java … Using Java, you tell the computer what you want it to program, 
and it generates the underlying code.

There have been more and more specialized languages to generate code for 
specific purposes, and we have more and more layers of implementation platforms 
to re-use proven pieces of code at the wave of your hand. The AI thing is just 
an attempt to guess what you want to do, based on how well it understands YOU. 
Good luck!

I’m always amused at attempts at speech recognition. At some point computers 
may do better than people do at understanding what they’re being asked to do, 
but communication is always going to be imperfect, and we will always have GIGO 
(Garbage In, Garbage Out — yeah, I’m not assuming every single reader knew 
that). In discussing software requirements with a long-time co-worker, how many 
times do you have to go back and forth before reaching a full understanding?

Look at the struggle to invent autonomous cars. The fact that software 
*approximates* reality comes to be very painful when navigating a complex 
world. We have flown space probes through millions of miles of nothingness, 
using mathematics with astounding success. But downtown Boston is a different 
story, and forget about Tehran where you get through a blind intersection by 
gunning it. The AI that can re-use the solutions to past problems is 
efficiency. But the new problems are still a problem, especially when we 
mistake them for old problems.

Back in the 1980s, during Engineers' Week, Edsger Dijkstra came to Honeywell 
Information Systems in Phoenix to give us a presentation on proof of code 
correctness. After Part 1 we had a break, and I chatted with him over a coke. I 
said that my experience was spending most of my time trying to understand 
exactly what we wanted a program to do, with the actual coding being a minor 
problem. He nodded in agreement, and said he should address this after the 
break.

Resuming the presentation, he spoke somewhat like this: I have neglected to 
clarify the scope of my discussion. There are two aspects to software 
development: the Pleasantness Problem and the Correctness Problem. I have been 
addressing the Correctness Problem, and the correctness of code can indeed be 
proven. But the Pleasantness Problem is not provable: if you cannot correctly 
determine the goal of your program, then the code may still correctly implement 
the requirements, but may still be simply wrong.

Aaron, have no fear. What we create is still US, for good or ill. Maybe the 
tool can produce faster or in more volume, and sometimes the results will 
surprise us, but the problem will always be GIGO. So don’t blame Microsoft if 
their AI starts a riot: the same crooks, snowflakes and bigots will be behind 
the trouble.

Victor
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On Mar 9, 2017, at 08:47:29, Anon Anon  wrote:

Tay AI but with the ability to propagate her hate beyond just memes and catch 
phrases.

It took less than 24 hours to teach Tay to be a Nazi and to espouse hate 
speech. Her previous code is still in the new stuff somewhere because if you 
ask her questions about Tay, she expresses regret about certain things.

How long until they teach this one how to create html filled with explitives 
and hate speech? Since all Tay could do was tweet, now this one could use Azure 
to really get the message out.

Microsoft... Please stop.

On Mar 9, 2017 07:11, "Keith Smith" > wrote:

In the hands of good people this can be great.  In the hands of evil people 
this could be the end.  Think CIA, NSA Those wanting to control man kind.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/microsoft-has-created-ai-can-write-its-own-code-quharrison-terry
 



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Re: the timestampz in a pdf, oh my

[Victor Odhner]

Hi, Hans.

My complicated C-programmer mind says to take each PDF, process it in binary 
form and spit out a new PDF with all timestamp digits changed to zeroes, then 
use the postprocessed files for comparison. That’s probably not a practical 
approach as it stands, but it might spark an idea that could work.

Victor
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On Feb 1, 2017, at 10:31:10, der.hans  wrote:

Am 01. Feb, 2017 schwätzte Joseph Sinclair so:

moin moin,

> Have you checked DiffPDF?
> It's supposed to do what you're looking for, although it's no-longer actively 
> maintained (author took it closed-source :( ).

Not familiar with it. Ah, comparepdf for the command line version.

comparepdf -ca web1.pdf web2.pdf

Will have to test with it to verify some basic tolerances.

> Another alternative might be to use pdf2ps (part of ghostscript) to
> transform into postscript and compare that, but you may need to do
> more massaging as timestamps and such would probably still be in the
> postscript.

I tried that. I expected the datestamps to carry over, but they appear to
not have. The files are still different, though :(.

I was thinking pdf2png or pdf2jpg type of thing might work. Have to check
if I always get the same output.

ciao,

der.hans

> On 02/01/2017 01:29 AM, der.hans wrote:
>> moin moin,
>> 
>> I have some dynamically generated PDFs coming from a pool of web servers.
>> 
>> Each server should be generating a PDF that looks exactly the same as from
>> all the other servers.
>> 
>> The PDF generation includes sticking in a few timestamps and possibly some
>> hostnames or other dynamic content. The dynamic content eliminates the
>> option of just using checksums to verify the output file is the same from
>> all of the web servers.
>> 
>> Any suggestions on how I can write a command line check. Needing to
>> install a script would be far less than ideal in this situation. Funnily
>> enough, needing to install a package would be less of an issue in this
>> particular case, especially something in CentOS 6.
>> 
>> Me being me, I did try to just grep out the lines with timestamps :). That
>> didn't quite work :(. That probably indicates the files aren't as exactly
>> the same as I hope.
>> 
>> I didn't see a pdf2sanity tool. pdf2text won't really work as I need to
>> verify the graphic content and hopefully the PDF wrapper.
>> 
>> ciao,
>> 
>> der.hans
> 
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Re: ... and fingerprint authentication has problems too

[Victor Odhner]

I’m getting old, and last time I had a fingerprint card created it took them a 
while to pull what looked like a real print. I volunteer at a place where paid 
staff check in and out with their fingerprint. It’s good I’m “unpaid staff” 
because they might not be able to read my finger.

Speaking of pronounceables:

My son put me onto “diceware” to generate strong, pronounceable passwords:
http://world.std.com/~reinhold/diceware.html 


I have a script on my macbook based on code by Aaron Toponce:
https://pthree.org/2012/09/27/automated-diceware-passwords/ 

http://world.std.com/~reinhold/diceware.wordlist.asc 


We beefed up the randomizer a little. Don’t remember where this came from, so I 
can’t defend it:

function five-dice-roll {
I=0
while [[ "$I" -lt 5 ]]; do
RND=$(echo -n $((0x$(head -c 1 /dev/random | xxd -ps
if [[ "$RND" -lt 252 ]]; then
DIE=$(((RND%6)+1))
DICE="${DICE}$DIE"
I=$((I+1))
else
continue
fi
done
echo -n "$DICE"
}
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On Aug 2, 2016, at 15:00:05, Matt Birkholz  wrote:

> From: Stephen Partington 
> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 06:01:08 -0700
> 
> Point being. Passphrase should be combined with biometric.

How about one big pronounceable?  I've found even large ones (16
letters) surprisingly easy to remember, so I use several.  I get them
from gpw(1).  Unfortunately the manpage does not say how many bits of
entropy are in each trigraph.

Aren't They getting search warrants before using fake fingertips?
They will kick in your door and kill your dog if they can get a
warrant.  Using a fake fingertip seems downright civil compared to
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Re: youth activities for SCaLE

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Oops. Downtown Pasadena? You didn’t mention that part. You mentioned ASU which 
implies a local event. What am I missing?

Jupiter should be back around by next March, and it will show through anything. 
But it won’t be rising till well into the evening, in early March, so the moon 
(first quarter) would be the only bright thing. Of course my 8-incher is pretty 
good at showing stars you can’t see with naked eye.

Offer stands for local astronomy sessions. And yes, there is a local group that 
does that.
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On Jul 29, 2016, at 01:30:17, der.hans <pl...@lufthans.com> wrote:

Am 29. Jul, 2016 schwätzte Victor Odhner so:

moin moin,

> Is this just a daytime thing? I acquired an 8” computerized telescope,

In this case, mostly. What I'm talking about is daytime, but there's a
game night activity on Saturday night. It's still in downtime Pasadena, so
not too much dark sky, but we might be able to find a decent place to put
up a telescope.

As it turns out, I had already emailed a friend who participateѕ in Linux
Astronomy. I will have to ask him about the possibilities.

> giving stargazing parties for kids, but it has to be at least a little
> dark for that to be any fun. (If anyone is interested in this, even
> outside of SCaLE, I might be available for some random opportunities.)

Astronomy is cool. I know ASU does a regular astronomy event. I don't if
it is a bring your own device type of thing. I'm certain we have some
astronomy groups here in town. Wonder if anyone's participating in Linux
Astronomy or something like that.

ciao,

der.hans

> 
> 
> On Jul 29, 2016, at 00:23:02, der.hans <pl...@lufthans.com> wrote:
> 
> moin moin,
> 
> SCaLE is the first weekend in March next year.
> 
> Once again it will have a Next Generation track on Saturday.
> 
> In conversation with the SCaLE team I suggested a youth room with
> activities for kids. As can happen, it was suggested that the suggester,
> me, implement said suggestion :).
> 
> My initial thought was games for kids and maybe a lock pick village if we
> can find someone to run that. Others suggested soldering and other
> activities I had conveniently left off my initial suggestion.
> 
> Is anyone interested in helping out?
> 
> I want to make sure I have a few volunteers before I say yes. I'm
> perfectly happy to lead or help someone else.
> 
> We could make it a Saturday only thing or also continue on Sunday.
> 
> ciao,
> 
> der.hans
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Re: 2FA over SMS considered harmful

[Victor Odhner]

I’m just glad we have a Social Security office here in our northeast Phoenix 
neighborhood. I have never used “My Social Security” and don’t mind once every 
few years spending 45 minutes in their waiting room.

I have also actively rejected my medical providers’ offers of handy online 
access to our medical data. Their user-facing security is hilarious. They 
assured me that the interface doesn’t get loaded with my records if I don't 
activate my account. I’d like to believe that, but if it’s not true there’s not 
much I can do about it. But get this: BY SIGNING UP TO ONLINE MEDICAL RECORDS, 
YOU WAIVE HIPAA RESTRICTIONS ON YOUR DATA, because the online provider is 
outside the medical field or something. It says that in black and white. My own 
medical record has nothing embarrassing, but I figure it’s the duty of a geek 
to act a little paranoid. Again, I’m close enough that I can march into the 
provider’s office to take care of any questions or requests, and I prefer 
face-to-face interaction anyway.

Technology is great, but keeping some things primitive is refreshing. Most of 
my phone contacts are on a non-Google provider; my GPS is turned off almost all 
the time (to save my 3.5 year old battery); and location is (nominally) denied 
to all the apps most of the time. Our air conditioner’s thermostat lost its LCD 
and we never used the programming features anyhow, so I replaced it with a $12 
mechanical thermostat. It won’t break. For $150+ I could have added my 
thermostat to the Internet of Things.

But our house has close to a dozen WIFI nodes, including our Vizio 3D TV which 
I’m sure is watching and listening. My phone and macbook have open camera and 
microphones. If we’re on the Grid, we should not fool ourselves about privacy.
:)

Victor


On Jul 28, 2016, at 22:24:21, der.hans  wrote:

Am 28. Jul, 2016 schwätzte Tom Roche so:

moin moin,

Wow! That's just wrong even if there weren't any security issues.

They shouldn't require access to a cell phone or access to a pay for use
service.

I hope there are still non-digital forms of interaction.

ciao,

der.hans

> Hans Kugler[1]
>>> web sites should not be given your phone number for 2 factor 
>>> authentication. First of all, they don't need your phone number :). 
>>> Secondly, it's not secure. Now the NIST agrees.
> 
> So, as if on cue,
> 
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 04:43:49 +
> From: Social Security Administration 
> 
> Subject: New step to protect your privacy using my Social Security
> 
>> Starting in August 2016, Social Security is adding a new step to protect 
>> your privacy as a my Social Security user.  This new requirement is the 
>> result of an executive order for federal agencies to provide more secure 
>> authentication for their online services.
> 
> ...
> 
>> When you sign in at ssa.gov/myaccount with your username and password, we 
>> will ask you to add your text-enabled cell phone number.
> 
> ...
> 
>> Each time you sign into your account, you will complete two steps:
> 
>> Step 1:  Enter your username and password.
>> Step 2:  Enter the security code we text to your cell phone (cell phone 
>> provider's text message and data rates may apply).
> 
> ...
> 
>> If you do not have a text-enabled cell phone or you do not wish to provide 
>> your cell phone number, you will not be able to access your my Social 
>> Security account.
> 
> FWIW, Tom Roche 
> 
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Re: youth activities for SCaLE

[Victor Odhner]

Is this just a daytime thing? I acquired an 8” computerized telescope, giving 
stargazing parties for kids, but it has to be at least a little dark for that 
to be any fun. (If anyone is interested in this, even outside of SCaLE, I might 
be available for some random opportunities.)


On Jul 29, 2016, at 00:23:02, der.hans  wrote:

moin moin,

SCaLE is the first weekend in March next year.

Once again it will have a Next Generation track on Saturday.

In conversation with the SCaLE team I suggested a youth room with
activities for kids. As can happen, it was suggested that the suggester,
me, implement said suggestion :).

My initial thought was games for kids and maybe a lock pick village if we
can find someone to run that. Others suggested soldering and other
activities I had conveniently left off my initial suggestion.

Is anyone interested in helping out?

I want to make sure I have a few volunteers before I say yes. I'm
perfectly happy to lead or help someone else.

We could make it a Saturday only thing or also continue on Sunday.

ciao,

der.hans
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OT: Hiring for *NIX Production Support with Scripting

[Victor Odhner]

My former agent contacted me again about this, so I’m re-posting, with changes.

They’re looking for "mainly UNIX production support with scripting and SQL 
experience.” They need both *NIX and Windows server experience, but these don’t 
have to be in equal proportions.

Contact:
  Angela Willfong
  Senior Technical Recruiter
  Randstad Technologies
  480-776-3328
  angela.willf...@randstadusa.com <mailto:angela.willf...@randstadusa.com>
  www.randstadtechnologies.com <http://www.randstadtechnologies.com/>
  Gainey Center I
  8601 N. Scottsdale Rd, #250
  Scottsdale, AZ 85253

Angela put me into a job that totaled 14 years over a 16 year period. During a 
gap, they got me some fill-in work, and negotiated me back into the other job; 
later worked hard to get me into another job with impossible specs, even 
offering to send me away for training. Good folks.

Customer’s Requirements:
  (Req may be adjusted for higher qualifications.)

3+ years of current working experience with enterprise level operating systems 
such as *NIX (Red Hat Enterprise Linux or Solaris) and Windows Server.
3+ years of current working experience with Dell, HP, and IBM servers and the 
various hardware components.
3+ years of current working experience supporting virtualized environments 
(VMWare/Solaris Zones/HyperV).
Strong analytical skills Excellent communication skills using both verbal and 
written skills across all levels of management.
Preferred Skills For this opportunity, we would prefer to find a candidate with 
both Linux and Windows experience, however they can be stronger in one or the 
other, BUT they must have the practical experience for supporting the platforms.

This position will utilize their deep knowledge of operations engineering, 
application support and server administration skills that enable high 
availability, scalable and reliable customer experience. Works on significant 
assignments that are broad in scope and complexity, may cross several 
functional and organizational boundaries, and cover a wide range of issues. 
Exercise independent judgment in the selection of methods and techniques used 
to deliver operational solution. Creates procedures and documentation for the 
group to utilize. May be a technical lead for complex projects. Will be 
required to be in on-call production support rotation. This includes after 
hours and weekends.

Good Luck,

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Re: printer

[Victor Odhner]

I have success after wandering in the weeds for a while.
I was distracted by the New Printer dialog that showed this:
HP Officejet Pro K550 (joy, 169.254.74.169)

Well “joy” is the name of our Airport Express device, which is what the printer 
is plugged into. So that must be it, right? All my attempts to use it failed.

My research ran into something called hp-setup, and something else called 
hp-doctor, and the latter did some software updates for me, but kept reporting 
that there was nothing found on the network.

Then I realized that the “HP Officejet Pro” line had me fooled: the Airport 
Express “joy” was at 192.168.1.191.

So I used “Find Network Printer” for host “joy” and it added a line, 
“JetDirect(joy)” as it had before. And that was it. The lack of description for 
the printer, and the distracting descriptive line that was incorrect, are what 
fooled me.

Thanks for your help and patience. :) 


On Feb 20, 2016, at 12:53:03, Victor Odhner <vodh...@cox.net> wrote:

I found HPLIP was already installed. I added HPIJS for good measure.
I was able to select a driver "HP Officejet Pro K550 hpijs, 3.15.2”.

The printer is still “not responding.”

I didn’t see HPLIP mentioned anywhere in the driver choices.
_

Details follow. 

Selected the driver and asked for a test page:

  Description: HP Officejet Pro K550
  Device URI: dnssd://K550._pdl-datastream._tcp.local/ 

  Make and Model: HP Officejet Pro K550 hpijs, 3.15.2
  Result: Processing - The printer is not responding.

Printer’s light is green, and it’s working from the Macbook.
I notice that the printer icon doesn’t show in the taskbar.

Tried printer-make “Generic (recommended)”:
   There are ESC/P, GDI, IBM-Compatible, OAKT,
   PCL*, PDF, PostScript*, Raw Queue, text-only and ZjStream.
   I chose PCL 3 (recommended).
   Two drivers are offered: Foomatic and K550 hpijs, 3.15.2 [en].
   I chose the hpijs.

Print Test Page —> Connecting to Printer —> not responding.
Same as before.
__

On Feb 20, 2016, at 10:59:13, Brian Cluff <br...@snaptek.com 
<mailto:br...@snaptek.com>> wrote:

Do you have hplip installed?  That printer is reported to "Work Perfectly" on 
the list of supported printers.

http://www.openprinting.org/printer/HP/HP-OfficeJet_Pro_K550 
<http://www.openprinting.org/printer/HP/HP-OfficeJet_Pro_K550>

It says:
"For basic printing functionality use the HPIJS driver . For advanced 
functionality such as printer status, maintenance features, scanning and photo 
card unload use the HPLIP driver (which includes HPIJS)."

Brian Cluff

On 02/20/2016 10:44 AM, Victor Odhner wrote:
> Keith wrote: "/HP is very good about providing drivers for their
> printers/.” Not necessarily so, after they weary of supporting it.
> 
> We have an HP OfficeJet K550, a nice printer that’s working well but
> maybe as much as 10 years old. My recently installed Mint system doesn’t
> show the K550; it comes up with a different printer’s name, labeled as
> “recommended,” and that driver doesn’t work: it finds the printer but
> when I try to print it declares that it is not connected.
> 
> My Macbook has no problem finding it and printing. My son’s Win10 uses
> the PCL3 Class Driver and works OK for plain text, but Win10 can’t find
> a K550 driver. He says that HP has removed drivers and other support for
> this printer, which is at “end of support”.
> 
> I did find this:
> http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/officejet/officejet_pro_k550.html
> … which claims to have have a K550 driver.
> 
> I haven’t tried to figure out how hplip works, since I can move
> documents to my DropBox and print from the Macbook.
> ___
> 
> On Feb 20, 2016, at 09:12:48, Brian Cluff <br...@snaptek.com
> <mailto:br...@snaptek.com>> wrote:
> 
> On 02/20/2016 06:49 AM, Keith Smith wrote:
>> I have not researched how to configure the print to fax and how to scan
>> using Linux... not sure it will work in these capacities with Linux.
> 
> In my experience it is very likely that you WOULD be able to scan with
> an HP all-in-one.  HP is very good about providing drivers for their
> printers.
> 
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Re: printer

[Victor Odhner]

I found HPLIP was already installed. I added HPIJS for good measure.
I was able to select a driver "HP Officejet Pro K550 hpijs, 3.15.2”.

The printer is still “not responding.”

I didn’t see HPLIP mentioned anywhere in the driver choices.
_

Details follow. 

Selected the driver and asked for a test page:

  Description: HP Officejet Pro K550
  Device URI: dnssd://K550._pdl-datastream._tcp.local/ 

  Make and Model: HP Officejet Pro K550 hpijs, 3.15.2
  Result: Processing - The printer is not responding.

Printer’s light is green, and it’s working from the Macbook.
I notice that the printer icon doesn’t show in the taskbar.

Tried printer-make “Generic (recommended)”:
   There are ESC/P, GDI, IBM-Compatible, OAKT,
   PCL*, PDF, PostScript*, Raw Queue, text-only and ZjStream.
   I chose PCL 3 (recommended).
   Two drivers are offered: Foomatic and K550 hpijs, 3.15.2 [en].
   I chose the hpijs.

Print Test Page —> Connecting to Printer —> not responding.
Same as before.
__

On Feb 20, 2016, at 10:59:13, Brian Cluff <br...@snaptek.com> wrote:

Do you have hplip installed?  That printer is reported to "Work Perfectly" on 
the list of supported printers.

http://www.openprinting.org/printer/HP/HP-OfficeJet_Pro_K550

It says:
"For basic printing functionality use the HPIJS driver . For advanced 
functionality such as printer status, maintenance features, scanning and photo 
card unload use the HPLIP driver (which includes HPIJS)."

Brian Cluff

On 02/20/2016 10:44 AM, Victor Odhner wrote:
> Keith wrote: "/HP is very good about providing drivers for their
> printers/.” Not necessarily so, after they weary of supporting it.
> 
> We have an HP OfficeJet K550, a nice printer that’s working well but
> maybe as much as 10 years old. My recently installed Mint system doesn’t
> show the K550; it comes up with a different printer’s name, labeled as
> “recommended,” and that driver doesn’t work: it finds the printer but
> when I try to print it declares that it is not connected.
> 
> My Macbook has no problem finding it and printing. My son’s Win10 uses
> the PCL3 Class Driver and works OK for plain text, but Win10 can’t find
> a K550 driver. He says that HP has removed drivers and other support for
> this printer, which is at “end of support”.
> 
> I did find this:
> http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/officejet/officejet_pro_k550.html
> … which claims to have have a K550 driver.
> 
> I haven’t tried to figure out how hplip works, since I can move
> documents to my DropBox and print from the Macbook.
> ___
> 
> On Feb 20, 2016, at 09:12:48, Brian Cluff <br...@snaptek.com
> <mailto:br...@snaptek.com>> wrote:
> 
> On 02/20/2016 06:49 AM, Keith Smith wrote:
>> I have not researched how to configure the print to fax and how to scan
>> using Linux... not sure it will work in these capacities with Linux.
> 
> In my experience it is very likely that you WOULD be able to scan with
> an HP all-in-one.  HP is very good about providing drivers for their
> printers.
> 
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Re: printer

[Victor Odhner]

Keith wrote: "HP is very good about providing drivers for their printers.” Not 
necessarily so, after they weary of supporting it.

We have an HP OfficeJet K550, a nice printer that’s working well but maybe as 
much as 10 years old. My recently installed Mint system doesn’t show the K550; 
it comes up with a different printer’s name, labeled as “recommended,” and that 
driver doesn’t work: it finds the printer but when I try to print it declares 
that it is not connected.

My Macbook has no problem finding it and printing. My son’s Win10 uses the PCL3 
Class Driver and works OK for plain text, but Win10 can’t find a K550 driver. 
He says that HP has removed drivers and other support for this printer, which 
is at “end of support”.

I did find this:
http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/officejet/officejet_pro_k550.html 

… which claims to have have a K550 driver.

I haven’t tried to figure out how hplip works, since I can move documents to my 
DropBox and print from the Macbook.
___

On Feb 20, 2016, at 09:12:48, Brian Cluff  wrote:

On 02/20/2016 06:49 AM, Keith Smith wrote:
> I have not researched how to configure the print to fax and how to scan
> using Linux... not sure it will work in these capacities with Linux.

In my experience it is very likely that you WOULD be able to scan with an HP 
all-in-one.  HP is very good about providing drivers for their printers.

Brian Cluff

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OT: Hiring for Unix Production Support with Scripting

[Victor Odhner]

My former agent contacted me about this.

I gather that these specs are boiler plate She says they’re looking for "mainly 
UNIX production support with scripting and SQL experience; some Windows would 
be great."

Contact:
  Angela Willfong
  Senior Technical Recruiter
  Randstad Technologies
  Gainey Center I
  8601 N. Scottsdale Rd, #250
  Scottsdale, AZ 85253

Please mention my name if you apply, there’s a bonus …

Angela put me into a job that totaled 14 years over a 16 year period. During 
gaps, they got me some fill-in work, and negotiated me back into the other job; 
then worked hard to get me into another job with impossible specs, even 
offering to send me away for training. Good folks.

Customer’s Requirements:

3+ years of current working experience with enterprise level operating systems 
such as *NIX (Red Hat Enterprise Linux or Solaris) and Windows Server.
3+ years of current working experience with Dell, HP, and IBM servers and the 
various hardware components.
3+ years of current working experience supporting virtualized environments 
(VMWare/Solaris Zones/HyperV).
Strong analytical skills Excellent communication skills using both verbal and 
written skills across all levels of management.
Preferred Skills For this opportunity, we would prefer to find a candidate with 
both Linux and Windows experience, however they can be stronger in one or the 
other, BUT they must have the practical experience for supporting the platforms.

This position will utilize their deep knowledge of operations engineering, 
application support and server administration skills that enable high 
availability, scalable and reliable customer experience. Works on significant 
assignments that are broad in scope and complexity, may cross several 
functional and organizational boundaries, and cover a wide range of issues. 
Exercise independent judgment in the selection of methods and techniques used 
to deliver operational solution. Creates procedures and documentation for the 
group to utilize. May be a technical lead for complex projects. Will be 
required to be in on-call production support rotation. This includes after 
hours and weekends.

Good Luck,

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Re: edit photo

[Victor Odhner]

Brian wrote:
There is no amount of massaging that you can do in Darktable that will make
a good looking image out of an image that has been stretched by that amount.

But … what’s that thing that they use on the TV shows?
It involves a magic phrase I think: Enhance that …
It can even see around corners, I think.


On Feb 6, 2016, at 17:11:36, Michael  wrote:

Yeah? Well, I was hoping.

On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Brian Cluff > wrote:
It sounds to me like you are trying to take a chunk out of your image that is 
only something by 200px tall and then you are going to take that 200px and 
stretch it to 1200 pixels tall.  That will make it so that every pixel is now 
stretched to 6 pixels tall.
There is not amount of massaging that you can do in Darktable that will make a 
good looking image out of an image that has been stretched by that amount.

Brian

On 02/06/2016 04:45 PM, Michael wrote:
it is only showing a small portion of the image after it has been
scaled. How would you show the full image? I tried "image to layer size"
(gimp).
As for the blurry I am going to try to fix that in darktable.

On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Brian Cluff 
>> wrote:

Yes, but that's going to make for a really blurry, pixelated image.

Brian Cluff

On 02/06/2016 04:34 PM, Michael wrote:

I hate it when my brain shuts down! you CROP the stupid thing
and then
scale it.

On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Michael 
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Re: printer opinions

[Victor Odhner]

I’m happy with our old HP OfficeJet 550. Its paper tray is big enough for a lot 
of copies, its four ink tanks have a long lifetime, and it prints pretty fast. 
It was sold to me as an alternative to a laser printer, and I think we’ve done 
well with it.

We’ll see how it does with the cheaper ink from Cartridge World. :) 
___

On Jan 27, 2016, at 16:22:47, Brian Cluff  wrote:

$300 is the used price.  That's a $1000+ printer new.  I would be scared of a 
used printer.  The one you get might have a couple million prints on it.

I wouldn't recommend to most people to get the same printer I have unless they 
have a heavy print load.  I just used it as a good example of how a more 
expensive printer and quickly pay for itself.  It would take $450 worth of 
toner in a 2000 page yield printer to equal one of my $59 cartridges and my 
printer is made much better, so it will last longer too but like I said, it 
doesn't make much sense if you print so seldom that you only put 1 or 2 
cartridges in the printer before you throw it away and get a new one. (perhaps 
because your new computer doesn't have a parallel port on it any more)

Brian Cluff

On 01/27/2016 01:26 PM, Michael wrote:
> I need a new printer but I don't have $300 for it!
> 
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Michael  > wrote:
> 
>how many pages are the color cartridges supposed to do?
> 
>On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Brian Cluff > wrote:
> 
>Xerox 6360
> 
>Brian Cluff
> 
> 
>On 01/27/2016 01:12 PM, Michael wrote:
>>What printer do you have Brian?
>> 
>>On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Michael >> wrote:
>> 
>>gray-scale printing! Yay.
>> 
>>On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Brian Cluff
>><br...@snaptek.com
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>My printer is $59.95+$5.49 shipping for a black high
>>yield (18,000 pages) genuine xerox cartridge, non-refill.
>>$28.00 for a low yield cart (9,000 pages)
>> 
>>If I wanted after market, I could get all 4 high yield
>>cartridges (1 black + 3 color) for $85. Refills could
>>probably be had for less than that.
>> 
>>So far I haven't managed to even use one cartridge up.
>> 
>>Brian Cluff
>> 
>>On 01/27/2016 10:39 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
>> 
>>Danger Will Robinson!
>> 
>>If you can get 15000-2 pages for $50-$70, it's
>>almost for sure a
>>refilled cartridge. Unless you know the chemical
>>and physical
>>consistency of the toner with which they refill,
>>you could end up
>>damaging your expensive printer.
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Re: Look at these photos I restored with darktable... cool!

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Please give an example of file IDs that are “before” and “after” of the same 
picture.

Sorry for being blind. :) 
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On Jan 28, 2016, at 10:35:23, Stephen Partington  wrote:

DarkTable is some Top Shelf software.

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Michael > wrote:
I think it is incredible how well darktable sharpens a blurry scan.

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Michael > wrote:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BweRamx9lXSLTS1kbnNId21QOHc=sharing 

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OT: Who is my Google Calendar Administrator?

[Victor Odhner]

OK, so one of the windmills that I like to tilt is limiting how much Google 
knows about me. :) 

I do use Google Calendar. I had the “Birthdays” checkbox enabled, and it wished 
me a happy birthday. I spun through my busy calendar to see how many birthdays 
are listed, and it’s a tiny handful, I think four people besides myself.

My birthday is on a busy day, so I tried to delete my birthday. Cawn’t be done. 
I would have to contact the Calendar Administrator, they say. But it doesn’t 
say who the administrator is for the birthday calendar.

It’s OK, I have simply disabled the Birthday Calendar, which will not be 
missed. But I’m curious who that mysterious administrator is.

I guess the real answer is, If I gave Google my birthday, where did I do that?

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Re: OT: Who is my Google Calendar Administrator?

[Victor Odhner]

> If you delete a birthday in contacts, it will not appear in your calendar.

Nope. You can add your birthday in Google, and you can change it, but once you 
add your birthday they’re going to have a birthday for you. I thought of 
entering February 29th, but oh well . . .

The good news is you can turn off their birthdays calendar. Past discussions I 
found indicated that for a while they cluttered your calendar with all the 
birthdays they had for anybody they’d ever seen you connect with.

Since I don’t use my Gmail box, I never had to experience that. :) 

They have matured a bit in this area, exposing all the contacts in one place:  
google.com/contacts


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On Jan 26, 2016, at 14:10:50, Mark Phillips <m...@phillipsmarketing.biz> wrote:

Check your contacts, it is probably there. If you delete a birthday in 
contacts, it will not appear in your calendar.

if you entered the birthday manually in your calendar, you should be able to 
delete it. 

I am not sure how you have your Google account/calendar set up. I use Google 
Apps, so I can have my own domain for gmail, so I am the administrator for my 
calendars. 

Mark

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Stephen Partington <cryptwo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Google has kind of merged much of its backend data. So if any Google services 
have that information they all do.

On Jan 26, 2016 1:26 PM, "Victor Odhner" <vodh...@cox.net 
<mailto:vodh...@cox.net>> wrote:
OK, so one of the windmills that I like to tilt is limiting how much Google 
knows about me. :) 

I do use Google Calendar. I had the “Birthdays” checkbox enabled, and it wished 
me a happy birthday. I spun through my busy calendar to see how many birthdays 
are listed, and it’s a tiny handful, I think four people besides myself.

My birthday is on a busy day, so I tried to delete my birthday. Cawn’t be done. 
I would have to contact the Calendar Administrator, they say. But it doesn’t 
say who the administrator is for the birthday calendar.

It’s OK, I have simply disabled the Birthday Calendar, which will not be 
missed. But I’m curious who that mysterious administrator is.

I guess the real answer is, If I gave Google my birthday, where did I do that?


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Online Asynchronous Board Meeting Tools?

[Victor Odhner]

Thanks, Brian, for your reply to:
  Re: OT: Copying text from PDF to text on Mac corrupts words containing “t"

(The ligature treatment could explain why only this one poster’s emails have 
that problem.)

I was producing minutes for an online meeting we had for a Board of Trustees. 
We would not have been able to get a quorum in time to meet a deadline, and we 
just had to discuss and approve the sending of a grant request. There were over 
100 emails over 37 hours. It worked out well, considering, but of course that’s 
not the best way.

What I’d really like would be a forum application especially friendly for a 
meeting involving discussions, motions, seconds and votes, where people can 
check in asynchronously.

I imagine something like the following:
Chair creates a “Meeting” entry that will collect all discussion.
A fixed list of user names is entered.
Members can pop in and out, over several days.
Each time member joins, a web page is presented displaying all discussion to 
date for that meeting. Member would scroll to the bottom to proceed.
It can produce a page formatted for printing. That page would look rather like 
output from a chat. It would be only plain or rich text, *not* be formatted as 
a table or have structural features that would complicate copying and pasting, 
because producing the document is an important purpose.
Some sort of timestamps would be nice, but should be unobtrusive.
Does anybody know a forum service that might come close?

I’ve looked at some summary pages for online meeting tools, but they don’t go 
into much detail, so I’ll have to visit each one.
I might also look at enjin which is really for gamers but that’s not a problem.

Thanks,
Victor
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On Jan 9, 2016, at 19:17:50, Brian Cluff <br...@snaptek.com> wrote:

On 01/09/2016 05:26 PM, Victor Odhner wrote:
> Many words containing “ti” or “tt” or some other combinations with
> the letter “t” get corrupted when I use copy and paste, from PDF
> text that looks normal. Some software interprets the PDF correctly
> for display and printing, and some software fails to understand this
> encoding involving the letter “t”.

My best guess would be that they are using some form of font ligature so
that tt, ti and probably ff fi etc etc get transformed into a different
unicode character that doesn't exist in the font that the application
that you are pasting to is using.

> Of course if someone can tell me a better way to save Thunderbird
> messages with headers into a document...

Just right click on the message and select "Save As".  In the lower left
corner change "All Files" to "Text Files", then make sure to change the
file name suffix to .txt and you should get a clean text copy complete
with the headers.

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OT: Copying text from PDF to text on Mac corrupts words containing "t"

[Victor Odhner]

OK, I have an amusing OSX puzzle for y’all. 

I am taking messages from Thunderbird and pasting them as text into Word.

Many words containing “ti” or “tt” or some other combinations with the letter 
“t” get corrupted when I use copy and paste, from PDF text that looks normal. 
Some software interprets the PDF correctly for display and printing, and some 
software fails to understand this encoding involving the letter “t”.

The same corruption happens when I paste into TextEdit and even into MacVim, 
and when I open it as input to LibreOffice under OSX and Linux Mint.

The Linux “Document Viewer” program displays it without the corruption. So 
apparently this funky interpretation of the letter “t” is a Thing[TM] in PDF, 
understood by some software outside of the “preview” application.

One sender has sent his messages in rich text from HotMail, 
multipart/alternative; I’m working with the HTML version, content-Type: 
text/html; charset="iso-8859-1”, Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable. 
When I view the HTML message source, the text in question doesn’t show any 
funky encoding for the words that get corrupted. If I open the PDF in MacVim 
it’s all encoded into gibberish, and the preview application is what displays 
it correctly, but corrupts my selected text going into the clipboard.

What I’m trying to do: To pick up the text with headers from Thunderbird, I do 
print > PDF > Open PDF in preview. Then I select the message (which appears 
nicely formatted), and paste it into the Word document. It mostly works, but . 
. .

Here’s what I get if I select and copy the text, or open the PDF in software 
that’s not in on the joke: The word “attempting” becomes “a:emp4ng”, “painting” 
becomes "pain

Re: 2016

[Victor Odhner]

Happy New Year, everyone.

Y2k is an interesting case. It went by so quietly that I think the world will 
look back on it as an unnecessary panic or an outright boondoggle. But here is 
a case where IT management worldwide listened to their techies, saw a genuine 
disaster coming on, and responded in time. So remarkable, and we are among the 
few who can appreciate what was done.

But we can't get cocky. Y10k is closer than you think, and nobody will know 
COBOL!


 Original Message 
From: Keith Smith 
Sent: January 1, 2016 7:23:07 AM MST
To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: Re: 2016

Hard to believe Y2K was so long ago.

Happy New Year!!  May everyone richly prosper in 2016!



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> Well guys and gals we made it. It is now the year 2016. Cool, huh?
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Re: Verizon

[Victor Odhner]

I like TMobile except that I often have trouble getting a signal. But the 
ability to make calls through WIFI helps with that.


 Original Message 
From: Stephen Partington 
Sent: November 29, 2015 3:36:00 PM MST
To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: Re: Verizon

I prefer Tmobile. More bang for the buck, Service is better (for me) and I
get to choose devices that I want, not that verizon wants me to have.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Keith Smith 
wrote:

> As far as I know all they did was uncouple the cellular phone purchase
> from the account.  I still get a statement.
>
>
>
> On 2015-11-29 12:48, Saul wrote:
>
>> Verizon Prepaid network does not have the same coverage as the regular
>> Verizon network.  There are other providers on the Verizon prepaid
>> network, like PagePlus Cellular.
>>
>>  On 11/29/2015 11:59 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>>
>> Gee. Verizon isn't as expensive as I thought! unlimited everything
>>> with 3GB of data is only $60 on a prepaid account. That is only 5
>>> dollars more than what I'm paying for my stupid phone.
>>>
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Re: ot- HD ota

[Victor Odhner]

Hi, Mike.

I got the same RCA amplifier. This one goes at the TV end. Comments online 
noted that adding an amp may degrade the signal in some cases. I can't swear to 
any results, but I think it helped the little indoor antenna. There are two 
kinds of boosters and I don't know the difference, but I'd guess two end-to-end 
might not help.

You also mentioned a 60-mile distance. If you look online you'll find ads for 
long distance rooftop (or mast-mountable) arrays that claim 60-mile 
sensitivity. Prices run to ~$150 if I remember.

Happy hunting,

Victor





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From: Michael Havens <bmi...@gmail.com>
Sent: November 13, 2015 1:42:53 PM MST
To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
Subject: Re: ot- HD ota

I was thinking that I might need a multi-directional antenna. Now the one I
was looking at comes with an amp. If I decide I do need the
multi-directional would there be any benefit to putting the two amps
together?

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Michael Havens <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I got this one: Amp
> <http://www.amazon.com/RCA-Digital-Amplifier-Indoor-Antenna/dp/B004HB2X4Y%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-d-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB004HB2X4Y>
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Michael Havens <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> an amplifier! why didn't I think of that! any suggestions?
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Victor Odhner <vodh...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Try putting it up high, or near a window facing South Mountain.
>>>
>>> So much depends on your location.
>>>
>>> I took down our roof antenna because we were getting a new roof. To
>>> spare my family the grief of several days without TV, I bought an indoor
>>> antenna and put it in our crawlspace facing south towards TV Hill, ~18-20
>>> miles away slightly behind Piestewa peak. I'm near SR51 & Thunderbird.
>>>
>>> Played with the positioning and direction, but lost several must-have
>>> stations. I had family doing channel scans as I laid in the crawlspace, but
>>> had to back away from the antenna each time because my body affected the
>>> signal.
>>>
>>> I added an amplifier which helped a little.
>>>
>>> Finally folded up our *large* roof array and deployed it inside the
>>> crawlspace, facing the way that had worked while on the roof. That works
>>> almost as well as the roof, but Channel 5 is badly pixellated and if I park
>>> my little pickup truck in the carport right under the array, several
>>> channels are messed up.
>>>
>>> So I'll have to put it back on the roof. That's a pain because the wind
>>> turns it around if I don't guy it from all sides. But I know the best
>>> direction so it'll be solid once I'm done.
>>>
>>> Lots of articles about this. Outdoor is best, higher is better. Any
>>> obstacles may block an indoor antenna, especially metal in the wall. But
>>> indoor can be great when you're only 12 miles away and have the antenna on
>>> the side facing TV Hill, especially if that is in line of sight (i.e. no
>>> major obstructions).
>>>
>>> Our array is about 8 feet front to back, and the rearmost cross-element
>>> is about that wide too. It’s served us well, the only problem is when the
>>> wind twists it away from proper direction. “Good” alignment is anywhere in
>>> a range of 10 - 20 degrees. In PHX you don't need a rotator for major
>>> channels because all the action is on TV Hill.
>>>
>>> On the roof we got solid signals from 3, 5, 8, 10, 12, 15, 45, 61 plus
>>> several stations we don't use.
>>>
>>> Good Luck!
>>>
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Re: ot- HD ota

[Victor Odhner]

Try putting it up high, or near a window facing South Mountain.

So much depends on your location.

I took down our roof antenna because we were getting a new roof. To spare my 
family the grief of several days without TV, I bought an indoor antenna and put 
it in our crawlspace facing south towards TV Hill, ~18-20 miles away slightly 
behind Piestewa peak. I'm near SR51 & Thunderbird.

Played with the positioning and direction, but lost several must-have stations. 
I had family doing channel scans as I laid in the crawlspace, but had to back 
away from the antenna each time because my body affected the signal.

I added an amplifier which helped a little.

Finally folded up our *large* roof array and deployed it inside the crawlspace, 
facing the way that had worked while on the roof. That works almost as well as 
the roof, but Channel 5 is badly pixellated and if I park my little pickup 
truck in the carport right under the array, several channels are messed up.

So I'll have to put it back on the roof. That's a pain because the wind turns 
it around if I don't guy it from all sides. But I know the best direction so 
it'll be solid once I'm done.

Lots of articles about this. Outdoor is best, higher is better. Any obstacles 
may block an indoor antenna, especially metal in the wall. But indoor can be 
great when you're only 12 miles away and have the antenna on the side facing TV 
Hill, especially if that is in line of sight (i.e. no major obstructions).

Our array is about 8 feet front to back, and the rearmost cross-element is 
about that wide too. It’s served us well, the only problem is when the wind 
twists it away from proper direction. “Good” alignment is anywhere in a range 
of 10 - 20 degrees. In PHX you don't need a rotator for major channels because 
all the action is on TV Hill.

On the roof we got solid signals from 3, 5, 8, 10, 12, 15, 45, 61 plus several 
stations we don't use.

Good Luck!


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Re: Dr Horrible DNS geekery

[Victor Odhner]

I’m sure I’d used it before, maybe it was left behind by a library upgrade. I 
can’t install it now because of an obsolete repo. It’s time to wipe and replace 
my linux system. My Macbook has traceroute, bad.horse worked fine, and we just 
viewed Dr. Horrible again.
_

On Sep 26, 2015, at 20:12:57, Phil Waclawski  wrote:

Well, if it's a desktop distro it's not always installed (like kubuntu)   just 
do 
sudo apt-get install traceroute

or 
yum install traceroute

(or whatever package system your distro uses :)

Phil W

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Victor D Odhner  wrote:
Wow, I really need to upgrade my March 2013 version of Linux!!!
Turns out I don't have traceroute . . .
___


On 09/26/2015 04:16 PM, Fabian Santiago wrote:

I just tried it. It's very much alive and well. Quite humorous. Perhaps your 
isp is proxying / caching you in some capacity ??

--

Fabe


On Sep 26, 2015, at 2:45 PM, Michael Butash  wrote:

Looks like someone took it down, but dead.horse resolves to a service provider 
(CariNet, Inc) hosted on cox's network now.  They're just not allowing it.  
Interesting, yesterday it was egressing to hurricane electric, to atlantic 
metro's DC in NY.

Something tells me someone didn't like the attention and moved it (or killed 
it).

-mb


On 09/26/2015 09:42 AM, Matt Graham wrote:
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Stephen Partington
 wrote:
traceroute bad.horse
no really...
On 2015-09-25 14:28, Anthony Radzykewycz wrote:
Lol. That's awesome.

This didn't work for me at all from my home box--something in Cox's network is 
eating all the packets after hop 11.  And from my VPS, I had to do "traceroute 
-m 43 bad.horse" to see all of it, because there are a lot of hops.  But 
yeah... someone went to some effort to do that, and it's kind of nifty. 
(https://signed.bad.horse/ has an SSL error on
firefox 38.2.1, though, which is annoying)

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OT - Looking for host for my bounce mailbox

[Victor Odhner]

Hi, All. 

I'm tentatively looking for a reliable host for a single low-volume email 
account, to use as a bounce return for occasional batch email. The number of 
bounces would be low, and it would be a receive-only mailbox, so volume would 
be almost zero and there'd be no concern for backups, etc., but the system 
would have to have good availability. I'd pay a token amount for the hosting if 
needed. 

The Problem: 

Currently our emails are on Google Apps, but Google doesn't accept our 
Fetch-Bounces connections for some reason. The fetch process is on Amazon AWS. 
The bounces account does not show any "suspicious activity" so I don't know 
what Google's problem is with the fetch-bounces process trying to log in, but 
it's not authenticating. I saw one reference online to AWS being blocked by 
Google. Our provider doesn't let me have shell access on the hosting system, 
but he may have a trick or two before giving up.

If that fails, I think maybe if would be simpler just to host the bounce box 
somewhere less "complicated" than Google, so that's what this trial balloon is 
about. 

My customer: 

Phoenix Allies for Community Health (PACH) runs a free primary-care clinic in 
downtown Phoenix, serving people who have no access to primary care. (See 
azpach.org.) My son is co-founder so I got volunteered to maintain their 
volunteer database, and CiviCRM was my choice. 

My provider is CiviDesk.com (Denver based). The owner is a CiviCRM developer 
and provides paid services to non-profits that use this free CRM software. He 
supports some low-budget organizations for free who serve under-served 
populations.

Thanks, 

Victor Odhner

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Re: non-traceable email

[Victor Odhner]

Mike, did you look for that?

Look here: https://www.startmail.com/home#section-why

They’re hosted in the Netherlands, so they are subject to all the Euro privacy 
laws.

I’ve been using Startpage.com as my browser for some time, just to spite 
Google. They use Google but don’t let ‘em know who is asking, and they use TLS 
for privacy when you’re browsing. They don’t save addresses.

Startmail is $60/year and has some interesting features, including the ability 
to send encrypted mail to someone who must answer your security question in 
order to open the mail. They offer a seven-day free trial.
___

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a while ago we were discussing a company that served email from a country which 
the government couldn't read even with a court order. What is that company? I 
seem to remember it being 'startmail' but I'm not sure. Thank you.
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Re: OT: How to send an email anonymously ...

[Victor Odhner]

Why don’t you just play it straight? The old “don’t tell others, tell us!” 
policy.

Do you think your neighbor would hate you if you mentioned that you’d heard of 
people losing a bundle because they had to tear out a non-compliant structure? 
I’m presuming that your motive really is for them to be spared a major hassle. 
You could embellish a little, “A friend of mine really got beat up by the 
licensing people because he screwed up on some stupid details . . . “.

On Apr 30, 2015, at 16:00:40, Keith Smith techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:

On 2015-04-30 15:19, j...@actionline.com wrote:
 Every day, I receive email messages sent to me from fake sender email
 addresses, even spam garbage supposedly sent to me from my own email
 address.  How do they do that?
 While I have never done this before, I now have a need to do send an
 email completely anonymously (preferably using our homeowner association
 email address ;) and would like to know how this can be done safely and
 not illegally.
 To briefly explain, we have a neighbor who has poured the foundation to
 build a structure in his back yard (without obtaining a building permit)
 and if he should proceed, this non-compliant structure will cause him
 even greater expense and hardship if he is not prevented from proceeding.
 The size of the foundation makes it very obvious that the structure is
 not in compliance with either city building codes or HOA requirements.
 Needless to say, we want to avoid causing hard feelings with our
 neighbor, so we would like to be able to alert the city authorities
 *anonymously* in order to protect our neighbor from continuing and ending
 up with very costly consequences.
 Regrettably, our home owner's association has taken the position that
 they will indeed take the necessary corrective actions, including
 notifying the city building code department, once the building is built
 and visible from the street; however, they say that they will not take
 any action until the building is built and a visible violation has
 actually been committed.  How stupid is that?


Is it against your HOA's CCR's to pour a slab in the back yard of your house?  
Probably not.  If not the HOA would not have a leg to stand on.  Once a 
structure is visable even if it is just the frame it probably will then fall 
under your HOA's jurisdiction.

I would assume city code requires a permit to lay down concrete for any use.  
At this point it is probably a city issue.


 So, my question is, how can I send an email to the city building code
 enforcement department to alert them of the homeowner's failure to obtain
 a building permit so that the email will appear to be from our homeowner
 association?
 I have already spoken to them by phone, but they will not take any action
 until they receive a formal complaint via their online input form which
 requires submitting the name and contact information of whoever is filing
 the complaint.  They say that such reports are best and usually filed by
 HOAs and not by neighbors, to avoid needless conflicts.
 Obviously, I could just wait until my neighbor has spent all the money to
 build the structure and then have a prolonged legal action to force him
 to tear it down, but how much better to protect him from all that
 needless pain and expense?


I would never spoof an email.  Who knows where that can lead.  They will be 
able to track it back to you anyway, unless you really get fancy.


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Re: Is SSL protocal bouncing potential customers?

[Victor Odhner]

I’ve been told that SSL of any flavor is unfixably insecure, and that TLS is 
the way to go. But maybe you meant TLS, some people call it SSL generically 
because it’s still HTTPS.
__

On Mar 26, 2015, at 16:26:18, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote:

do your apache logs show anything related to Mac useragents being rejected due 
to too low ssl?

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Keith Smith techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:

Hi,

I'm stuck and am looking for a little help.

I have completed a PCI scan for one of the servers I support.  It complained 
about a couple things.  One was the need to use more restrictive SSL protocols. 
 With some help from the data center I was able to update the SSLProtocol and 
the SSLCipherSuite so the server would pass the scan.

I am now hearing from customer service that they are receiving some complaints 
that some cannot reach the website.  I've asked customer service to ask a 
couple questions so I can understand better what is taking place.  I assume the 
issue is older browsers.

At this point what I am being told is Macs with Safari and Firefox (no version 
info).  Apparently the message they see is this page cannot be displayed.

I took a look at the httpd access and error logs and nothing jumps out at me.  
The server is running CentOS 6.6.

Is there other things I can look at or do to troubleshoot this issue?

Thank you very much!!

Keith

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OT: CiviCRM promotion event Jan 28th

[Victor Odhner]

For any LAMP folks who support non-profit organizations, I’d like to draw your 
attention to CiviCRM, a full-featured Free-Software PHP suite for maintaining 
contacts, doing mailings, tracking donations, registering events, etc. I’ve 
been using it for a couple of years for a free clinic in downtown Phoenix, and 
I recommend it highly.

The Phoenix CiviDay event will be at office of Phoenix Allies for Community 
Health (PACH), 1726 E Roosevelt St, Phoenix, AZ

More here: https://civicrm.org/civicrm/event/info?id=594reset=1

Agenda: 
9:00-9:15 Welcome and Introduction 
9:15-10:15 CiviCRM Vision and Ecosytem (Remote live presentation from CiviDay 
Denver) 
10:30-11:30 What is CiviCRM? What can it do for your organization? (Remote live 
presentation from CiviDay Denver) 
11:30-1:15 Informal discussion 
1:15-2:15 CiviCRM Live Demo (Remote from CiviDay Denver) 
2:30-6:00 Hanging around for discussion and demonstrations of how PACH uses 
Civi. 

Any questions, please contact me.

Thanks,

Victor Odhner  vodh...@cox.net.


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Re: Oh boy... We *ARE* criminals!!!

[Victor Odhner]

Is that news?  FOSS is where individuals can find tools to preserve privacy and 
free speech, regardless of who wants to deny them these rights. Some might 
suspect NSA has managed to arm-twist major software publishers into installing 
backdoor features into popular software, and has planted developers in the FOSS 
community trying to do the same.  And who would you think runs the most TOR 
servers ... If you can't beat them, join them, right?  In other news, Homeland 
Security considers former US military vets and Christian types as major sources 
of threats to The System[TM].  We can trust our government to protect us from 
... ourselves.  As Pogo said, We have met the enemy and he is us.  Good 
times.  :)  I never tried TOR, it's been years since I looked at Linux Journal, 
and I am no fan of Rat Fink Snowden or WikiLeaks, but I'll be paying a visit to 
the targeted sites this week just for the record.


 Original Message 
From: Mike Ballon mike.bal...@gmail.com
Sent: July 11, 2014 6:40:56 AM MST
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Subject: Re: Oh boy... We *ARE* criminals!!!

Unreal

According to the DasErste report, the NSA considers Linux Journal to be an
extremist forum.


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 7:42 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:

 Linux Lands on NSA Watch List
 http://www.eweek.com/security/linux-lands-on-nsa-watch-list.html
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