Re: Chromium -vs- chrome on Linux Mint?

2015-06-02 Thread Stephen Partington 
Well chrome/chromium both use lots of ram and file handlers intentionally.
Pre caching page loads and a few other things. Extra threads so that (in
theory) one page bites it the other process should still be just fine.
On Jun 1, 2015 11:14 PM, "Michael Butash"  wrote:

> I'm pretty abusive on my system as I do what I consider well more than
> most with it, but honestly, I don't see it should be an issue with the
> latest i7 proc and loaded with memory, if they build it to scale properly.
> Mine simply works, until it comes unglued, which seems to be more and more
> often, almost at least once a day, usually more.
>
> Weird part is I do limit extensively what plugins and scripts run, exactly
> to limit this, and websites doing nefarious things, this just seems like
> systemically buggy with the browser.  Adblock, scriptsafe are staples,
> which has always sufficed to keep it on a short leash.
>
> Because it does tend to be unstable, and ubuntu to boot, I tend to watch
> htop constantly on a spare monitor (joy of having 5 currently), and will
> see things like pepper-flash kick off, go ape, and slam my system until I
> kill -9 it.  Flash sucks.  Thusly I recently decided to go flash-free, and
> any site still lame enough to use it can bite me.  This helped, but still
> rampantly goes batty.
>
> As mentioned, the worst part is with my setup, with an extensive number of
> tabs as I normally keep open, tends to consume somewhere in the
> neighborhood of 250k file handlers between unix sockets and actual files
> (mostly shared libs).  At first I thought his was a bug, then began doing
> some statistical analysis of the situation, browsers (chrome|chromium) x
> profiles (3x for personal, work and work) x tabs (lots) x libs+sockets each
> (man).  All I can think is "wow, this is a highly inefficient piece of
> shit".
>
> Then I think back to old firefox circa 2005, single instantiated memory
> space for all tabs being not that cool either, buggy, crashy, but that was
> also under windoze, part of what drove me to linux.  Before bloated window
> managers, compositing, gpu weirdness, etc, it worked 20x better than
> windoze, then chrome came along and blew it away.  At the cost of memory,
> but it never used to be this horribly random and buggy to where memory was
> a small price for hyper usage.
>
> I don't know, perhaps I really am just abusing the system, but it works
> great, until it doesn't.  Lately it just reminds me of the dark days of
> windoze 98/me crashing or needing reboot every few days with not even that
> much abuse.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On 06/01/2015 08:23 PM, Michael Havens wrote:
>
>> Michael, Chrome never  crashes on me. I used chromium before and it too
>> never crashed. Maybe I don't do as intensive things as you.
>>
>> (I don't know if 'never' is as accurate as 'very rarely'.
>>
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Re: Chromium -vs- chrome on Linux Mint?

2015-06-01 Thread Michael Butash 
That could be, I've suspected the same, I just find no suitable way to 
debug one from another to find which.


Even systracing chrome yielded no real results, it seems its just coming 
apart internally.


I'll start disabling extensions and playing with it to see.

My worst issue seems to be upgrading 14.04 to the 14.04.2 release 3.16 
kernel and beta amd drivers resulting in the amd resuming hoarding 24gb 
of memory and climbing.


I love amd drivers.

-mb


On 06/01/2015 11:25 PM, Brian Cluff wrote:
I wonder if some of these addons are the real problem.  I run no 
addons what so ever and my Chome and Chromium are rock solid.  The 
most I see is very rarely I see something about flash crashing, but 
that's probably less than once a week.  I also tend to leave browser 
windows open for weeks at a time with lots of tabs with no ill effects.


Brian Cluff

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Re: Chromium -vs- chrome on Linux Mint?

2015-06-01 Thread Michael Havens 
now that you mention the '... snap...' error message when I was running
Chromium that did happen frequently. It still happens with Chrom but that
is infrequently.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Michael Butash  wrote:

> As I say this, chromium starts pooping the bed again with constant "aww
> snap!" messages.  I'd love to snap a google software engineer's neck (and I
> use the term loosely) for this error.
>
> I have yet to ever find a useful way of finding out what is causing them,
> their "help" is akin to windows stupidity of "clear your cache and cookies"
> from circa 1998/ie, but comes with what seems some resource limit that is
> not readily apparent.
>
> Anyone else see these under linux?  Oddly, it mostly happens when
> searching google, rarely else.
>
> I used to get these only on my main personal google chrome profile bound
> to my username, but now it's happening more with the others too.  Seems
> almost like a corrupt profile, at least until recent.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On 06/01/2015 11:14 PM, Michael Butash wrote:
>
>> I'm pretty abusive on my system as I do what I consider well more than
>> most with it, but honestly,
>>
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Re: Chromium -vs- chrome on Linux Mint?

2015-06-01 Thread Michael Butash 
As I say this, chromium starts pooping the bed again with constant "aww 
snap!" messages.  I'd love to snap a google software engineer's neck 
(and I use the term loosely) for this error.


I have yet to ever find a useful way of finding out what is causing 
them, their "help" is akin to windows stupidity of "clear your cache and 
cookies" from circa 1998/ie, but comes with what seems some resource 
limit that is not readily apparent.


Anyone else see these under linux?  Oddly, it mostly happens when 
searching google, rarely else.


I used to get these only on my main personal google chrome profile bound 
to my username, but now it's happening more with the others too.  Seems 
almost like a corrupt profile, at least until recent.


-mb


On 06/01/2015 11:14 PM, Michael Butash wrote:
I'm pretty abusive on my system as I do what I consider well more than 
most with it, but honestly,


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Re: Chromium -vs- chrome on Linux Mint?

2015-06-01 Thread Brian Cluff 
I wonder if some of these addons are the real problem.  I run no addons 
what so ever and my Chome and Chromium are rock solid.  The most I see 
is very rarely I see something about flash crashing, but that's probably 
less than once a week.  I also tend to leave browser windows open for 
weeks at a time with lots of tabs with no ill effects.


Brian Cluff

On 06/01/2015 11:14 PM, Michael Butash wrote:

I'm pretty abusive on my system as I do what I consider well more than
most with it, but honestly, I don't see it should be an issue with the
latest i7 proc and loaded with memory, if they build it to scale
properly.  Mine simply works, until it comes unglued, which seems to be
more and more often, almost at least once a day, usually more.

Weird part is I do limit extensively what plugins and scripts run,
exactly to limit this, and websites doing nefarious things, this just
seems like systemically buggy with the browser.  Adblock, scriptsafe are
staples, which has always sufficed to keep it on a short leash.

Because it does tend to be unstable, and ubuntu to boot, I tend to watch
htop constantly on a spare monitor (joy of having 5 currently), and will
see things like pepper-flash kick off, go ape, and slam my system until
I kill -9 it.  Flash sucks.  Thusly I recently decided to go flash-free,
and any site still lame enough to use it can bite me.  This helped, but
still rampantly goes batty.

As mentioned, the worst part is with my setup, with an extensive number
of tabs as I normally keep open, tends to consume somewhere in the
neighborhood of 250k file handlers between unix sockets and actual files
(mostly shared libs).  At first I thought his was a bug, then began
doing some statistical analysis of the situation, browsers
(chrome|chromium) x profiles (3x for personal, work and work) x tabs
(lots) x libs+sockets each (man).  All I can think is "wow, this is
a highly inefficient piece of shit".

Then I think back to old firefox circa 2005, single instantiated memory
space for all tabs being not that cool either, buggy, crashy, but that
was also under windoze, part of what drove me to linux.  Before bloated
window managers, compositing, gpu weirdness, etc, it worked 20x better
than windoze, then chrome came along and blew it away.  At the cost of
memory, but it never used to be this horribly random and buggy to where
memory was a small price for hyper usage.

I don't know, perhaps I really am just abusing the system, but it works
great, until it doesn't.  Lately it just reminds me of the dark days of
windoze 98/me crashing or needing reboot every few days with not even
that much abuse.

-mb


On 06/01/2015 08:23 PM, Michael Havens wrote:

Michael, Chrome never  crashes on me. I used chromium before and it
too never crashed. Maybe I don't do as intensive things as you.

(I don't know if 'never' is as accurate as 'very rarely'.


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Re: Chromium -vs- chrome on Linux Mint?

2015-06-01 Thread Michael Butash 
I'm pretty abusive on my system as I do what I consider well more than 
most with it, but honestly, I don't see it should be an issue with the 
latest i7 proc and loaded with memory, if they build it to scale 
properly.  Mine simply works, until it comes unglued, which seems to be 
more and more often, almost at least once a day, usually more.


Weird part is I do limit extensively what plugins and scripts run, 
exactly to limit this, and websites doing nefarious things, this just 
seems like systemically buggy with the browser.  Adblock, scriptsafe are 
staples, which has always sufficed to keep it on a short leash.


Because it does tend to be unstable, and ubuntu to boot, I tend to watch 
htop constantly on a spare monitor (joy of having 5 currently), and will 
see things like pepper-flash kick off, go ape, and slam my system until 
I kill -9 it.  Flash sucks.  Thusly I recently decided to go flash-free, 
and any site still lame enough to use it can bite me.  This helped, but 
still rampantly goes batty.


As mentioned, the worst part is with my setup, with an extensive number 
of tabs as I normally keep open, tends to consume somewhere in the 
neighborhood of 250k file handlers between unix sockets and actual files 
(mostly shared libs).  At first I thought his was a bug, then began 
doing some statistical analysis of the situation, browsers 
(chrome|chromium) x profiles (3x for personal, work and work) x tabs 
(lots) x libs+sockets each (man).  All I can think is "wow, this is 
a highly inefficient piece of shit".


Then I think back to old firefox circa 2005, single instantiated memory 
space for all tabs being not that cool either, buggy, crashy, but that 
was also under windoze, part of what drove me to linux.  Before bloated 
window managers, compositing, gpu weirdness, etc, it worked 20x better 
than windoze, then chrome came along and blew it away.  At the cost of 
memory, but it never used to be this horribly random and buggy to where 
memory was a small price for hyper usage.


I don't know, perhaps I really am just abusing the system, but it works 
great, until it doesn't.  Lately it just reminds me of the dark days of 
windoze 98/me crashing or needing reboot every few days with not even 
that much abuse.


-mb


On 06/01/2015 08:23 PM, Michael Havens wrote:
Michael, Chrome never  crashes on me. I used chromium before and it 
too never crashed. Maybe I don't do as intensive things as you.


(I don't know if 'never' is as accurate as 'very rarely'.


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Re: Chromium -vs- chrome on Linux Mint?

2015-06-01 Thread Brian Cluff 
I've found 2 things that Chrome has that Chromium doesn't.  Chrome ships 
with a current version of flash built in which chromium doesn't have at 
all, unless you pull the flash out of a version of Chrome which can be 
easily done.  Chrome also ships with the necessary DRM libraries that 
allow you to play Netflix which you can't do with Chromium.


Brian Cluff

On 06/01/2015 06:41 PM, Patrick Callahan wrote:

Installing Chrome silently adds Google's repos to your system and
doesn't really offer any advantages over Chromium.

On Jun 1, 2015 4:31 PM, mailto:j...@actionline.com>>
wrote:

On my Linux Mint 17 system, the chromium browser was installed by
default
and it has seemed to work well for most things ... but I've been getting
messages from Google that read: "This version of Chrome is no longer
supported. Please upgrade to a supported browser."

So is it safe and prudent to install the Chrome browser to replace
chromium?  I seem to remember reading a while back that there were
problems with running the Chrome browser on Linux.

Please advise what to do.




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Re: Chromium -vs- chrome on Linux Mint?

2015-06-01 Thread Michael Havens 
Michael, Chrome never  crashes on me. I used chromium before and it too
never crashed. Maybe I don't do as intensive things as you.

(I don't know if 'never' is as accurate as 'very rarely'.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Michael Butash  wrote:

> I do this often, mostly because either/or are so unstable, general
> internet use tends to crash it pretty often.
>
> I use a voip service (switch.co), that I cannot have crash randomly with
> some stupid video that decides to blast flash stupidity or invasive script
> at it tends to.  Therefore I install the chrome app on both, but launch
> some apps under chrome, while I use chromium for general internet stuff so
> if it does pop, I don't lose a call.  Especially when just downloading
> something tends to crash Chromium these days.
>
> Biggest issue I find is that I now have 3 profiles, on each chrom*, that
> launch independent memory space for each tab, each liking to load a few
> hundred local libraries each, consuming obscene gobs of memory for each.
> Suddenly between chrome AND chromium, chews up a good 12gb of ram at times
> with an factoral explosion of resources.  I had to increase my open file
> handler limits to some obscene limits due to its... consumption, and I
> still think it's the bain of my system evils.
>
> Switch, hangouts, and other things like that are all gapps I'm now
> enslaved to, why I put 32gb of ram in my systems if at all possible.
> Chrom* doesn't seem to be intent on becoming any less piggish anytime soon.
>
> I also had to recreate the "chrome apps" menu folder in the windows
> manager as syncing the apps with profiles, both import all extensions/apps
> automagically, recreating shortcuts, and being not good enough to tell me
> which browser the same apps on both represent to open them on only one.  I
> wish I could use only one...
>
> -mb
>
>
>
> On 06/01/2015 04:31 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:
>
>> On my Linux Mint 17 system, the chromium browser was installed by default
>> and it has seemed to work well for most things ... but I've been getting
>> messages from Google that read: "This version of Chrome is no longer
>> supported. Please upgrade to a supported browser."
>>
>> So is it safe and prudent to install the Chrome browser to replace
>> chromium?  I seem to remember reading a while back that there were
>> problems with running the Chrome browser on Linux.
>>
>> Please advise what to do.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Chromium -vs- chrome on Linux Mint?

2015-06-01 Thread Michael Butash 
I do this often, mostly because either/or are so unstable, general 
internet use tends to crash it pretty often.


I use a voip service (switch.co), that I cannot have crash randomly with 
some stupid video that decides to blast flash stupidity or invasive 
script at it tends to.  Therefore I install the chrome app on both, but 
launch some apps under chrome, while I use chromium for general internet 
stuff so if it does pop, I don't lose a call.  Especially when just 
downloading something tends to crash Chromium these days.


Biggest issue I find is that I now have 3 profiles, on each chrom*, that 
launch independent memory space for each tab, each liking to load a few 
hundred local libraries each, consuming obscene gobs of memory for 
each.  Suddenly between chrome AND chromium, chews up a good 12gb of ram 
at times with an factoral explosion of resources.  I had to increase my 
open file handler limits to some obscene limits due to its... 
consumption, and I still think it's the bain of my system evils.


Switch, hangouts, and other things like that are all gapps I'm now 
enslaved to, why I put 32gb of ram in my systems if at all possible.  
Chrom* doesn't seem to be intent on becoming any less piggish anytime soon.


I also had to recreate the "chrome apps" menu folder in the windows 
manager as syncing the apps with profiles, both import all 
extensions/apps automagically, recreating shortcuts, and being not good 
enough to tell me which browser the same apps on both represent to open 
them on only one.  I wish I could use only one...


-mb


On 06/01/2015 04:31 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:

On my Linux Mint 17 system, the chromium browser was installed by default
and it has seemed to work well for most things ... but I've been getting
messages from Google that read: "This version of Chrome is no longer
supported. Please upgrade to a supported browser."

So is it safe and prudent to install the Chrome browser to replace
chromium?  I seem to remember reading a while back that there were
problems with running the Chrome browser on Linux.

Please advise what to do.




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Re: Chromium -vs- chrome on Linux Mint?

2015-06-01 Thread Patrick Callahan 
Installing Chrome silently adds Google's repos to your system and doesn't
really offer any advantages over Chromium.
On Jun 1, 2015 4:31 PM,  wrote:

> On my Linux Mint 17 system, the chromium browser was installed by default
> and it has seemed to work well for most things ... but I've been getting
> messages from Google that read: "This version of Chrome is no longer
> supported. Please upgrade to a supported browser."
>
> So is it safe and prudent to install the Chrome browser to replace
> chromium?  I seem to remember reading a while back that there were
> problems with running the Chrome browser on Linux.
>
> Please advise what to do.
>
>
>
>
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Re: Chromium -vs- chrome on Linux Mint?

2015-06-01 Thread joe 
Or, can one install Chrome and have both Chrome and Chromium
browsers on the same system?  Or is it wise to uninstall
Chromium before installing Chrome?


-
> On my Linux Mint 17 system, the chromium browser was installed
> by default and it has seemed to work well for most things ...
> but I've been getting messages from Google that read: "This
> version of Chrome is no longer supported. Please upgrade to
> a supported browser."
>
> So is it safe and prudent to install the Chrome browser to
> replace chromium?  I seem to remember reading a while back that
> there were problems with running the Chrome browser on Linux.
>
> Please advise what to do.



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Re: Chromium -vs- chrome on Linux Mint?

2015-06-01 Thread Michael Havens 
I've run it around a year and can report no problems.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 4:31 PM,  wrote:

> On my Linux Mint 17 system, the chromium browser was installed by default
> and it has seemed to work well for most things ... but I've been getting
> messages from Google that read: "This version of Chrome is no longer
> supported. Please upgrade to a supported browser."
>
> So is it safe and prudent to install the Chrome browser to replace
> chromium?  I seem to remember reading a while back that there were
> problems with running the Chrome browser on Linux.
>
> Please advise what to do.
>
>
>
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Chromium -vs- chrome on Linux Mint?

2015-06-01 Thread joe 
On my Linux Mint 17 system, the chromium browser was installed by default
and it has seemed to work well for most things ... but I've been getting
messages from Google that read: "This version of Chrome is no longer
supported. Please upgrade to a supported browser."

So is it safe and prudent to install the Chrome browser to replace
chromium?  I seem to remember reading a while back that there were
problems with running the Chrome browser on Linux.

Please advise what to do.




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