Re: Knowing Linux as a developer: followup
On 2022-04-27 09:38, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote: It seems to me that anyone who writes code should have some knowledge of every OS that code will have to work with. It's been my experience that no software, machine or anything else developed by man has ever worked exactly as intended. There's always some bug or quirk that needs to be dealt with. I second that thought!! On 4/23/22 14:16, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hi, This has been an interesting journey. AZPHP and a friend who owns a data center confirmed that most developers do not have any familiarity with Linux. All these years I thought otherwise. I still think there is value in knowing Linux as an opensource developer. In my case I am a PHP developer. Maybe being involved in Linux distracted me from becoming a better developer or maybe the opposite is true that my Linux involvement has made me a better developer. In my mind I am exploring or assessing what I might have changed now that I am at this point in my life and having had the experience I have had with PHP since 2006. In a recent post I asked about changing from dominate PHP being supported by Linux to Linux being dominate and supported by PHP or another language and DevOps came up. Sorry I am thinking out loud and am hoping for your feedback. I wonder if PHP has run it's course. Maybe it is time to change course. I need to do more research and give it more thought. I like opensource Linux hosting. I recently configured Ubuntu LAMP + BIND + Let's Encrypt + Postfix + Dovecot. Doing so showed me how much a really do not know. Any feedback is much appreciated. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Knowing Linux as a developer: followup
I'm just thinking a PHP developer should be able to configure a host on DigitalOcean and a handful of other things. Nothing advanced. Given what might be coming Linux might be a decent desktop skill to have so one can recycle "old" hardware - just add an SSD for a really good time!! On 2022-04-27 10:43, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote: There are two sides of this. 1) code written to a "platform" AKA PHP/JS specialist. 2) Code written with a deep platform integration. This is where you should know Nginx, Apache, IIS, and related OS information. Both have a place in general software development. I prefer working with the Latter but Can work with the former readily enough. I think both should have a solid grasp of how various environment variables will affect their application/code and related OS level constraints but by no means need be a full OS admin. On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 12:39 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote: It seems to me that anyone who writes code should have some knowledge of every OS that code will have to work with. It's been my experience that no software, machine or anything else developed by man has ever worked exactly as intended. There's always some bug or quirk that needs to be dealt with. On 4/23/22 14:16, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hi, This has been an interesting journey. AZPHP and a friend who owns a data center confirmed that most developers do not have any familiarity with Linux. All these years I thought otherwise. I still think there is value in knowing Linux as an opensource developer. In my case I am a PHP developer. Maybe being involved in Linux distracted me from becoming a better developer or maybe the opposite is true that my Linux involvement has made me a better developer. In my mind I am exploring or assessing what I might have changed now that I am at this point in my life and having had the experience I have had with PHP since 2006. In a recent post I asked about changing from dominate PHP being supported by Linux to Linux being dominate and supported by PHP or another language and DevOps came up. Sorry I am thinking out loud and am hoping for your feedback. I wonder if PHP has run it's course. Maybe it is time to change course. I need to do more research and give it more thought. I like opensource Linux hosting. I recently configured Ubuntu LAMP + BIND + Let's Encrypt + Postfix + Dovecot. Doing so showed me how much a really do not know. Any feedback is much appreciated. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Knowing Linux as a developer: followup
There are two sides of this. 1) code written to a "platform" AKA PHP/JS specialist. 2) Code written with a deep platform integration. This is where you should know Nginx, Apache, IIS, and related OS information. Both have a place in general software development. I prefer working with the Latter but Can work with the former readily enough. I think both should have a solid grasp of how various environment variables will affect their application/code and related OS level constraints but by no means need be a full OS admin. On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 12:39 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > It seems to me that anyone who writes code should have some knowledge of > every OS that code will have to work with. It's been my experience that > no software, machine or anything else developed by man has ever worked > exactly as intended. There's always some bug or quirk that needs to be > dealt with. > > On 4/23/22 14:16, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > Hi, > > > > This has been an interesting journey. AZPHP and a friend who owns a > > data center confirmed that most developers do not have any familiarity > > with Linux. All these years I thought otherwise. > > > > I still think there is value in knowing Linux as an opensource > > developer. In my case I am a PHP developer. > > > > Maybe being involved in Linux distracted me from becoming a better > > developer or maybe the opposite is true that my Linux involvement has > > made me a better developer. > > > > In my mind I am exploring or assessing what I might have changed now > > that I am at this point in my life and having had the experience I > > have had with PHP since 2006. > > > > In a recent post I asked about changing from dominate PHP being > > supported by Linux to Linux being dominate and supported by PHP or > > another language and DevOps came up. > > > > Sorry I am thinking out loud and am hoping for your feedback. > > > > I wonder if PHP has run it's course. Maybe it is time to change > > course. I need to do more research and give it more thought. > > > > I like opensource Linux hosting. I recently configured Ubuntu LAMP + > > BIND + Let's Encrypt + Postfix + Dovecot. Doing so showed me how much > > a really do not know. > > > > Any feedback is much appreciated. > > --- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Knowing Linux as a developer: followup
It seems to me that anyone who writes code should have some knowledge of every OS that code will have to work with. It's been my experience that no software, machine or anything else developed by man has ever worked exactly as intended. There's always some bug or quirk that needs to be dealt with. On 4/23/22 14:16, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hi, This has been an interesting journey. AZPHP and a friend who owns a data center confirmed that most developers do not have any familiarity with Linux. All these years I thought otherwise. I still think there is value in knowing Linux as an opensource developer. In my case I am a PHP developer. Maybe being involved in Linux distracted me from becoming a better developer or maybe the opposite is true that my Linux involvement has made me a better developer. In my mind I am exploring or assessing what I might have changed now that I am at this point in my life and having had the experience I have had with PHP since 2006. In a recent post I asked about changing from dominate PHP being supported by Linux to Linux being dominate and supported by PHP or another language and DevOps came up. Sorry I am thinking out loud and am hoping for your feedback. I wonder if PHP has run it's course. Maybe it is time to change course. I need to do more research and give it more thought. I like opensource Linux hosting. I recently configured Ubuntu LAMP + BIND + Let's Encrypt + Postfix + Dovecot. Doing so showed me how much a really do not know. Any feedback is much appreciated. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Knowing Linux as a developer: followup
Hi, This has been an interesting journey. AZPHP and a friend who owns a data center confirmed that most developers do not have any familiarity with Linux. All these years I thought otherwise. I still think there is value in knowing Linux as an opensource developer. In my case I am a PHP developer. Maybe being involved in Linux distracted me from becoming a better developer or maybe the opposite is true that my Linux involvement has made me a better developer. In my mind I am exploring or assessing what I might have changed now that I am at this point in my life and having had the experience I have had with PHP since 2006. In a recent post I asked about changing from dominate PHP being supported by Linux to Linux being dominate and supported by PHP or another language and DevOps came up. Sorry I am thinking out loud and am hoping for your feedback. I wonder if PHP has run it's course. Maybe it is time to change course. I need to do more research and give it more thought. I like opensource Linux hosting. I recently configured Ubuntu LAMP + BIND + Let's Encrypt + Postfix + Dovecot. Doing so showed me how much a really do not know. Any feedback is much appreciated. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
