Re: Laptop Recommendations
I agree with you David. Only thing I would add is it is important to know how the machine will be used. You are right. I have a 12 year old Toshiba that has a 1G Celeron and 256mb of ram. I was able to load and test Qmail Toaster on CentOS 5. However I would never want to do any Drupal development on it. I think short of doing some serious manipulation of tons of data an i3 with virtualization turned on and 4GB of RAM should do just fine. I would expect to be able to run Drupal Commerce localhost with little problem and Drupal Commerce is a resource hog. I would not go below an i3 for any serious dev work unless you are doing some basic LAMP dev. Or just email and web. As you pointed out the prices have fallen substantially. I think the actual question was about heat though. On 2014-08-12 23:58, David Schwartz wrote: I’m surprized that people even bother asking questions like this these days, especially when it comes to Linux. You can run Linux in a system with an 800 MHz Atom CPU, 256 MB of RAM and 20 GB HDD and it runs just fine. There are tiny Media boxes you can get for $50 that have 1.2 GHz ARMs, 4 GB of RAM, gigabit WiFi, and you can plug in as much storage as you want via USB. My 10-year old Dell Inspiron 9300 has a 1.6 GHz Centrino CPU, 3 GB of RAM, and a 120 GB HDD, and while it’s slow to boot Win XP, it runs most apps just fine. (It needs a new battery, tho.) My current machine is a MacBook Pro with a 2.7 GHz quad-core i7, 768 GB SSD, and 16 GB of RAM. I run it with a second 24” HD display, and it’s configured with 20 desktops (10 up and 10 down). I do all of my Windows development in a VMWare VM running Windows 7. It’s fast and I suspect will last a very long time. And under the hood, it’s running some Unix variant (Mach, which is I think a BSD derivative). The thing that kills it (and every other computer I use) is browser windows. Browsers leak memory like crazy. Every one of them. Last fall I bought an ASUS laptop with Win 7 on it from Best Buy for $275 because MS was about to ship Win 8, so the retailers were flushing out everything at a big discount. I don’t even remember how it’s configured, only that it was a screaming deal at the time. Buy whatever you can afford that’s fairly new. It’ll probably work just fine. As for the disk … I’d recommend a Seagate Hybrid Drive. Get the 1TB with 8 or 16 GB of cache. They’re under $100 and nearly as fast as an SSD. (BTW, a word of warning: once you go hybrid or SSD, you’ll want to poke your eyes out waiting for stuff to open up on machines with regular HDDs on them!) -David On Aug 12, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: Does anyone use an Dell XPS15 or M3800 laptop? I am looking at these two models, or perhaps the developer edition with Ubuntu pre-installed. I have read that these machines get really hot...to the point of the machine crashing. Just wondering about anyone's personal experience. Also, any recommendations for other brands? I am looking for a core i7, at least 8 GB or RAM, and a large SSD to run Debian. Many of the native linux machines are huge and thickI liked these two Dell models as they have a sleeker design and don't weigh 10 lbs. Any thoughts on whether to have a small SSD for the OS and a companion hard drive for data, or just blow a wad on a huge SSD (1 TB) for both OS and data? Thanks, Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop Recommendations
Hi Mark, Those two are virtually identical. Things to consider: *1) QHD+ doesn't work in Chrome* *2) You won't have any use for the touch screen* *3) The M800 comes with two 500G drives (SATA and SSD)* *4) The M800 is available with a lot of options and customizations that the * *XPS15 does not provide.* *5) If you need professional 3D graphics requiring the Quardro chip, get the M3800.* I am wondering why you are not considering a system without the high end graphics (for AutoCad or Architechs/Gamers) and without the touchscreen or something from Alienware (17 is 1/2 the price with optional overclocking and LONG battery life). These choices are comparable to a Mac PowerBook in price! References: http://askubuntu.com/questions/371429/using-a-qhd-display-with-ubuntu-13-10 On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: Does anyone use an Dell XPS15 or M3800 laptop? I am looking at these two models, or perhaps the developer edition with Ubuntu pre-installed. I have read that these machines get really hot...to the point of the machine crashing. Just wondering about anyone's personal experience. Also, any recommendations for other brands? I am looking for a core i7, at least 8 GB or RAM, and a large SSD to run Debian. Many of the native linux machines are huge and thickI liked these two Dell models as they have a sleeker design and don't weigh 10 lbs. Any thoughts on whether to have a small SSD for the OS and a companion hard drive for data, or just blow a wad on a huge SSD (1 TB) for both OS and data? Thanks, Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop Recommendations
I forgot to mention in my first post that I don't want the touchscreen and consider it a waste of money. But I do want the higher horsepower and RAM for development work and visualization of Windows. I gave up dual booting a long time ago. I have been a long time Dell user, and have found the hardware to last a long time and work well with Linux. I know many people disagree, but my experience with Dell has been great over the past 10+ years. Oh, I also need a backlit keyboardI am surprised not all high end laptops have them. I need great graphics for gaminghave to keep up with my middle daughter who is really very good;) I believe the card in the XPS 15 is better suited for gaming. So I need to run Windows in vmware player to compete with her online.my old dual core Vostro 1520 struggles to keep up, the fan goes crazy and it get rather warm. Hence my original question about heat.I don't need another toaster on my desk! Thanks for the Aleinware recommendation.a longer battery life is far more important than the touch screen!! I will look into them. I really don't want to carry around a 17 screenand 13 is getting too small for my older eyes, so I am looking at 15 screens. I use an external monitor on my desk. I also had a recommendation to look at EmperorLinux machines. Anyone have any experience with these laptops? Thanks to everyone for their recommendations! Mark On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Lisa Kachold foo...@it-clowns.com wrote: Hi Mark, Those two are virtually identical. Things to consider: *1) QHD+ doesn't work in Chrome* *2) You won't have any use for the touch screen* *3) The M800 comes with two 500G drives (SATA and SSD)* *4) The M800 is available with a lot of options and customizations that the * *XPS15 does not provide.* *5) If you need professional 3D graphics requiring the Quardro chip, get the M3800.* I am wondering why you are not considering a system without the high end graphics (for AutoCad or Architechs/Gamers) and without the touchscreen or something from Alienware (17 is 1/2 the price with optional overclocking and LONG battery life). These choices are comparable to a Mac PowerBook in price! References: http://askubuntu.com/questions/371429/using-a-qhd-display-with-ubuntu-13-10 On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: Does anyone use an Dell XPS15 or M3800 laptop? I am looking at these two models, or perhaps the developer edition with Ubuntu pre-installed. I have read that these machines get really hot...to the point of the machine crashing. Just wondering about anyone's personal experience. Also, any recommendations for other brands? I am looking for a core i7, at least 8 GB or RAM, and a large SSD to run Debian. Many of the native linux machines are huge and thickI liked these two Dell models as they have a sleeker design and don't weigh 10 lbs. Any thoughts on whether to have a small SSD for the OS and a companion hard drive for data, or just blow a wad on a huge SSD (1 TB) for both OS and data? Thanks, Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop Recommendations
On Tue, 2014-08-12 at 17:25 -0700, Mark Phillips wrote: Does anyone use an Dell XPS15 or M3800 laptop? I am looking at these two models, or perhaps the developer edition with Ubuntu pre-installed. I have read that these machines get really hot...to the point of the machine crashing. Just wondering about anyone's personal experience. I have an XPS13 and I haven't had any issues with it overheating. Not quite the same but similar. I've been very happy with it. I got it preinstalled with Ubuntu, which is just awesome. I love the smaller form factor, it's much more of a laptop than I've had before, I drag it all around. Ted signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop Recommendations
The world is about to change radically. Intel just announced a new chip that will begin shipping this fall that is a dramatic JMoore's law leap over chips to date. Much smaller, thinner, more powerful, a big performancve jump over Haswell, and it runs so cool that it will be able to run in fan-less devices. I was just in the news yesterday. --- Mark Phillips wrote: Does anyone use an Dell XPS15 or M3800 laptop? I am looking at these two models, or perhaps the developer edition with Ubuntu pre-installed. I have read that these machines get really hot...to the point of the machine crashing. Just wondering about anyone's personal experience. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Laptop Recommendations
Does anyone use an Dell XPS15 or M3800 laptop? I am looking at these two models, or perhaps the developer edition with Ubuntu pre-installed. I have read that these machines get really hot...to the point of the machine crashing. Just wondering about anyone's personal experience. Also, any recommendations for other brands? I am looking for a core i7, at least 8 GB or RAM, and a large SSD to run Debian. Many of the native linux machines are huge and thickI liked these two Dell models as they have a sleeker design and don't weigh 10 lbs. Any thoughts on whether to have a small SSD for the OS and a companion hard drive for data, or just blow a wad on a huge SSD (1 TB) for both OS and data? Thanks, Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop Recommendations
On 2014-08-12 19:25, Mark Phillips wrote: Does anyone use an Dell XPS15 or M3800 laptop? I am looking at these two models, or perhaps the developer edition with Ubuntu pre-installed. I have read that these machines get really hot...to the point of the machine crashing. Just wondering about anyone's personal experience. Also, any recommendations for other brands? I am looking for a core i7, at least 8 GB or RAM, and a large SSD to run Debian. Many of the native linux machines are huge and thickI liked these two Dell models as they have a sleeker design and don't weigh 10 lbs. That is a lot of machine. Are you doing something that needs that much power and RAM? I watch the ads when looking because I do not need to upgrade right away. I just bought an Dell laptop on sale for $399+tax. i3-4030u / 4GB DDS3 RAM. Was easy to add MINT and the savings was great. Does not seem to heat and I expect it will last well over 6 years. I think 10+ is realistic. Walmart had the exact laptop on display Saturday for $399 and it had a 1tb drive. Mine came with a 500GB drive. Unless you need a lot of power one of these would be a great Linux laptop. Any thoughts on whether to have a small SSD for the OS and a companion hard drive for data, or just blow a wad on a huge SSD (1 TB) for both OS and data? Thanks, Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop Recommendations
I’m surprized that people even bother asking questions like this these days, especially when it comes to Linux. You can run Linux in a system with an 800 MHz Atom CPU, 256 MB of RAM and 20 GB HDD and it runs just fine. There are tiny Media boxes you can get for $50 that have 1.2 GHz ARMs, 4 GB of RAM, gigabit WiFi, and you can plug in as much storage as you want via USB. My 10-year old Dell Inspiron 9300 has a 1.6 GHz Centrino CPU, 3 GB of RAM, and a 120 GB HDD, and while it’s slow to boot Win XP, it runs most apps just fine. (It needs a new battery, tho.) My current machine is a MacBook Pro with a 2.7 GHz quad-core i7, 768 GB SSD, and 16 GB of RAM. I run it with a second 24” HD display, and it’s configured with 20 desktops (10 up and 10 down). I do all of my Windows development in a VMWare VM running Windows 7. It’s fast and I suspect will last a very long time. And under the hood, it’s running some Unix variant (Mach, which is I think a BSD derivative). The thing that kills it (and every other computer I use) is browser windows. Browsers leak memory like crazy. Every one of them. Last fall I bought an ASUS laptop with Win 7 on it from Best Buy for $275 because MS was about to ship Win 8, so the retailers were flushing out everything at a big discount. I don’t even remember how it’s configured, only that it was a screaming deal at the time. Buy whatever you can afford that’s fairly new. It’ll probably work just fine. As for the disk … I’d recommend a Seagate Hybrid Drive. Get the 1TB with 8 or 16 GB of cache. They’re under $100 and nearly as fast as an SSD. (BTW, a word of warning: once you go hybrid or SSD, you’ll want to poke your eyes out waiting for stuff to open up on machines with regular HDDs on them!) -David On Aug 12, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: Does anyone use an Dell XPS15 or M3800 laptop? I am looking at these two models, or perhaps the developer edition with Ubuntu pre-installed. I have read that these machines get really hot...to the point of the machine crashing. Just wondering about anyone's personal experience. Also, any recommendations for other brands? I am looking for a core i7, at least 8 GB or RAM, and a large SSD to run Debian. Many of the native linux machines are huge and thickI liked these two Dell models as they have a sleeker design and don't weigh 10 lbs. Any thoughts on whether to have a small SSD for the OS and a companion hard drive for data, or just blow a wad on a huge SSD (1 TB) for both OS and data? Thanks, Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
